Greetings!

[Andrew]

However, even as Dean admitted, the band is using him.

No, I don't agree. The start of 2006 and latter part of 2005 was embarrasing for the band. Why would any of them intentionally go thru that?

Thankfully, there is a positive result coming from the termoil. More positive reviews and media interest in Journey than there has been in years...

[Lula]

However, even as Dean admitted, the band is using him.

No, I don't agree. The start of 2006 and latter part of 2005 was embarrasing for the band. Why would any of them intentionally go thru that?

Thankfully, there is a positive result coming from the termoil. More positive reviews and media interest in Journey than there has been in years...

Thanks for speaking up Andrew, I could not find a diplomatic way to respond .

[fred_journeyman]

However, even as Dean admitted, the band is using him.

No, I don't agree. The start of 2006 and latter part of 2005 was embarrasing for the band. Why would any of them intentionally go thru that?

Thankfully, there is a positive result coming from the termoil. More positive reviews and media interest in Journey than there has been in years...

Andrew,

This is what I was referring to from Dean regarding the band using him:

"fred_journeyman wrote:
You don't get it, do you Dean? The band was/is USING you, dude. THEY affected the change by using YOU to do it. Maybe you're not that intelligent afterall.


Deano's response:
Wow. "someone" actually gets it. Of course I know this.
What you don't know is how much and to what extent. By the way, I am LOVING it."

I realize the end of 2005 and the start of 2006 must have been embarrassing for the band, which is why something needed to happen. Deano brought it to light. The situation with Journey changed. I'm not really sure we're on opposites side of the fence here, Andrew, but maybe I'm simply misunderstanding what you're saying. Based on what Deano stated above, he also seems to think that the band is using him. However, in all fairness, maybe his understanding of being "used" is different than mine, in this situation (I'm being serious, not sarcastic).

All I know is this - Augeri was lipping. The band wanted out from under that. It came to light and then they REALLY wanted out from under that. When Deano discovered (or possibly had the info leaked to him), he became the impetus to accomplish what the band may have wanted to accomplish in the beginning.

[Blueskies]

Deano, I admit I was being condescendingly sarcastic, poking a little fun. Buck it up big guy! It's just a message board after all!

[Crazie Scarab]

However, even as Dean admitted, the band is using him.

No, I don't agree. The start of 2006 and latter part of 2005 was embarrasing for the band. Why would any of them intentionally go thru that?

Thankfully, there is a positive result coming from the termoil. More positive reviews and media interest in Journey than there has been in years...

Andrew,

This is what I was referring to from Dean regarding the band using him:

"fred_journeyman wrote:
You don't get it, do you Dean? The band was/is USING you, dude. THEY affected the change by using YOU to do it. Maybe you're not that intelligent afterall.


Deano's response:
Wow. "someone" actually gets it. Of course I know this.
What you don't know is how much and to what extent. By the way, I am LOVING it."

I realize the end of 2005 and the start of 2006 must have been embarrassing for the band, which is why something needed to happen. Deano brought it to light. The situation with Journey changed. I'm not really sure we're on opposites side of the fence here, Andrew, but maybe I'm simply misunderstanding what you're saying. Based on what Deano stated above, he also seems to think that the band is using him. However, in all fairness, maybe his understanding of being "used" is different than mine, in this situation (I'm being serious, not sarcastic).

All I know is this - Augeri was lipping. The band wanted out from under that. It came to light and then they REALLY wanted out from under that. When Deano discovered (or possibly had the info leaked to him), he became the impetus to accomplish what the band may have wanted to accomplish in the beginning.

Fred, it's all water under the bridge now. Seriously. What's the point of rehashing all this BS? If you'd like Dean to come back and post, just say so. Otherwise, leave the guy alone.

[Monker]

It's also obvious that some here cannot add anything worthwhile to the conversation...since they're all waiting on deer droppings from Dean to feel fulfilled and loved.

Give it a rest.

What Fred said is the truth...and you encourage it by doing it yourself. So, keep talking about Dean. As owner of this forum, I'm sure you will love to have Dean be the main subject of your Journey forum. I doubt very much that Dean minds.

[donnaplease]

It's also obvious that some here cannot add anything worthwhile to the conversation...since they're all waiting on deer droppings from Dean to feel fulfilled and loved.

Give it a rest.

What Fred said is the truth...and you encourage it by doing it yourself. So, keep talking about Dean. As owner of this forum, I'm sure you will love to have Dean be the main subject of your Journey forum. I doubt very much that Dean minds.

Based on the past few days...neither do I.

[fred_journeyman]

Fred, it's all water under the bridge now. Seriously. What's the point of rehashing all this BS? If you'd like Dean to come back and post, just say so. Otherwise, leave the guy alone.

Whether Dean comes back to physically post as Deano or not makes absolutely no difference to me. I was responding to Andrew, who was responding to my post, back a page. In essence, Andrew and I were involved in a brief conversation. Just keep walking. The chips and the keg are on the other side of the room.

[Moose]

However, even as Dean admitted, the band is using him.

No, I don't agree. The start of 2006 and latter part of 2005 was embarrasing for the band. Why would any of them intentionally go thru that?

Thankfully, there is a positive result coming from the termoil. More positive reviews and media interest in Journey than there has been in years...

Thanks for speaking up Andrew, I could not find a diplomatic way to respond .

Lula, all due respect, but it's not your job to be diplomatic...we all know who is lacking in that department.

[perryfaithful]

The pictures? Please?

[larryfromnextdoor]

The pictures? Please?

hahahahahahhaha,,,,,in the midst of everything,, the pictures,, amen!! show the pics, the heck with the rest of it ,, that post and THAT avatar came off funny

[Andrew]

It's also obvious that some here cannot add anything worthwhile to the conversation...since they're all waiting on deer droppings from Dean to feel fulfilled and loved.

Give it a rest.

What Fred said is the truth...and you encourage it by doing it yourself. So, keep talking about Dean. As owner of this forum, I'm sure you will love to have Dean be the main subject of your Journey forum. I doubt very much that Dean minds.

- INSERT STANDARD RESPONSE TO MONKER COMPLAINING ABOUT FORUM HERE -

[donnaplease]

It's also obvious that some here cannot add anything worthwhile to the conversation...since they're all waiting on deer droppings from Dean to feel fulfilled and loved.

Give it a rest.

What Fred said is the truth...and you encourage it by doing it yourself. So, keep talking about Dean. As owner of this forum, I'm sure you will love to have Dean be the main subject of your Journey forum. I doubt very much that Dean minds.

- INSERT STANDARD RESPONSE TO MONKER COMPLAINING ABOUT FORUM HERE -

[Crazie Scarab]

Fred, it's all water under the bridge now. Seriously. What's the point of rehashing all this BS? If you'd like Dean to come back and post, just say so. Otherwise, leave the guy alone.

Whether Dean comes back to physically post as Deano or not makes absolutely no difference to me. I was responding to Andrew, who was responding to my post, back a page. In essence, Andrew and I were involved in a brief conversation. Just keep walking. The chips and the keg are on the other side of the room.

Ok.. That was funny! Good one, Fred! Seriously though, what's the point? Unless you wanna be thrown in the dumpster out back, you may wanna drop the subject. Dean may come back for that and of course, that's probably just what you're looking for. No?

[Monker]

It's also obvious that some here cannot add anything worthwhile to the conversation...since they're all waiting on deer droppings from Dean to feel fulfilled and loved.

Give it a rest.

What Fred said is the truth...and you encourage it by doing it yourself. So, keep talking about Dean. As owner of this forum, I'm sure you will love to have Dean be the main subject of your Journey forum. I doubt very much that Dean minds.

- INSERT STANDARD RESPONSE TO MONKER COMPLAINING ABOUT FORUM HERE -

It's not a complaint...it's an observation.

[Andrew]

It's also obvious that some here cannot add anything worthwhile to the conversation...since they're all waiting on deer droppings from Dean to feel fulfilled and loved.

Give it a rest.

What Fred said is the truth...and you encourage it by doing it yourself. So, keep talking about Dean. As owner of this forum, I'm sure you will love to have Dean be the main subject of your Journey forum. I doubt very much that Dean minds.

- INSERT STANDARD RESPONSE TO MONKER COMPLAINING ABOUT FORUM HERE -

It's not a complaint...it's an observation.

- INSERT STANDARD RESPONSE TO MONKER POSTING IN REFERENCE TO OBSERVING FORUM HERE -

[Moose]

lol

[donnaplease]

It's also obvious that some here cannot add anything worthwhile to the conversation...since they're all waiting on deer droppings from Dean to feel fulfilled and loved.

Give it a rest.

What Fred said is the truth...and you encourage it by doing it yourself. So, keep talking about Dean. As owner of this forum, I'm sure you will love to have Dean be the main subject of your Journey forum. I doubt very much that Dean minds.

- INSERT STANDARD RESPONSE TO MONKER COMPLAINING ABOUT FORUM HERE -

It's not a complaint...it's an observation.

- INSERT STANDARD RESPONSE TO MONKER POSTING IN REFERENCE TO OBSERVING FORUM HERE -

Damn, Andrew, you're on your game tonight!!!

[fred_journeyman]

Ok.. That was funny! Good one, Fred! Seriously though, what's the point? Unless you wanna be thrown in the dumpster out back, you may wanna drop the subject. Dean may come back for that and of course, that's probably just what you're looking for. No?

The point? Dang, you mean there has to be a POINT to all of this?! Did somebody change the rules on me in midstream AGAIN?! Andrew, why was I NOT informed of this?! I did NOT get the memo!

[Crazie Scarab]

Ok.. That was funny! Good one, Fred! Seriously though, what's the point? Unless you wanna be thrown in the dumpster out back, you may wanna drop the subject. Dean may come back for that and of course, that's probably just what you're looking for. No?

The point? Dang, you mean there has to be a POINT to all of this?! Did somebody change the rules on me in midstream AGAIN?! Andrew, why was I NOT informed of this?! I did NOT get the memo!

I'm sorry, Fred. If you want to keep egging Dean on, by all means continue. I'll just step out of the way.

[SF-Dano]

Well.... Let's see. Since Deano has been gone the main topics on this board have been arguing about Deano, and the ever popular Steve Perry is coming back and whether it is with Journey or solo.

(Disclaimer : Sarcasm ahead)
Yea! I see the discussion around here has become way more relevent and fresh since Dean has been gone.

[fred-journeyman]

Yea! I see the discussion around here has become way more relevent and fresh since Dean has been gone.

This is ridiculous, SF. You (and others) do NOT see that you're all just waiting around for Dean to post something relevant? That certainly says something about you and your apparent lack of ability to post something relevant, doesn't it?

What about Jeremey's insights and review of Journey? Not relevant? The exact opposite is true. It was/is extremely relevant. There have been other threads that in my estimation are very relevant as well. Your comments above are certainly insulting to Jeremey and the other folks who HAVE offered relevancy in their comments and posts.

In other words, START a few relevant threads, or ADD to the existing ones. There are over 5000 people registered as members on Melodicrock.com. Granted, not all of them are attached to the Journey board, but cheese and crackers, maybe more of them will post once they finally realize "the coast is clear."

The interview by Andrew is supposedly coming and once that is posted, there will be a good deal to discuss that's "relevant" and "fresh." But if you look, there are threads that fit into that category now...in my opinion.

[SF-Dano]

Yea! I see the discussion around here has become way more relevent and fresh since Dean has been gone.

This is ridiculous, SF. You (and others) do NOT see that you're all just waiting around for Dean to post something relevant? That certainly says something about you and your apparent lack of ability to post something relevant, doesn't it?

What about Jeremey's insights and review of Journey? Not relevant? The exact opposite is true. It was/is extremely relevant. There have been other threads that in my estimation are very relevant as well. Your comments above are certainly insulting to Jeremey and the other folks who HAVE offered relevancy in their comments and posts.

In other words, START a few relevant threads, or ADD to the existing ones. There are over 5000 people registered as members on Melodicrock.com. Granted, not all of them are attached to the Journey board, but cheese and crackers, maybe more of them will post once they finally realize "the coast is clear."

The interview by Andrew is supposedly coming and once that is posted, there will be a good deal to discuss that's "relevant" and "fresh." But if you look, there are threads that fit into that category now...in my opinion.

Well at least you finished with "in my opinion". My statement above was my opinion of the way this forum's discussions have been moving in general. You picked out one thread (Jeremy's). I have no problem with reviews. I was referring to this thread, the Predictions thread, the Reality thread, etc. All about topics that have been discussed here many many times by the same posters. But I wouldn't want to impose on anyone's freedom of speech here, so I thought I would just post my opinion as you did. I guess we should all have to post the disclaimer of IMO at the end of all our posts now.

[fred-journeyman]

Well at least you finished with "in my opinion". My statement above was my opinion of the way this forum's discussions have been moving in general. You picked out one thread (Jeremy's). I have no problem with reviews. I was referring to this thread, the Predictions thread, the Reality thread, etc. All about topics that have been discussed here many many times by the same posters. But I wouldn't want to impose on anyone's freedom of speech here, so I thought I would just post my opinion as you did. I guess we should all have to post the disclaimer of IMO at the end of all our posts now.

I realize it was your opinion. You're entitled to it. You're also entitled to think that when that special someone posts anything, it stands heads above anything that anyone else posts on this forum.

I look at this place as if we were all sitting around at a bar, or attending a party. There are numerous group discussions going on. You might hang with one group and talk for a bit and then go to another group and hang for a bit. Chances are really good that people will talk about what interests them and chances are also really good that topics will be repeated. If I came to a group where one guy was asking everyone to eat the corn out of his sh*t, I'd find another group pretty quickly. I'm sure there would be quite a number of people that would continue to hang with the guy though.

You have brought up the subject of me repeating myself and you have again brought up the subject of repeated topics/threads. I'm not sure that can be avoided. If we were to take the time to do a search on certain subjects, it would be interesting to see how often they are repeated. Sometimes they're repeated because someone new comes to the board. Sometimes they're repeated because someone simply wants to repeat the conversation. Sometimes, they're repeated because someone takes a thread off topic.

Do you know how many threads I simply avoid? Most. When I do find something that I like, I read it and post. There are a ton of threads I simply ignore and there are a ton of posters I simply ignore.

Yesterday, I was told that I should leave it alone (where Deano is concerned). I did, but you didn't. Others won't leave it alone either. Who cares? If Dean decides to come back and once again start tickling your funny bone by remonstrating against others, then you'll be happy again, Dan. You'll have your "substance" back. In the meantime, maybe you can take the time to start a thread that you consider to be meaningful? That's just a suggestion, by the way. I'm not being sarcastic.

I would like to suggest that Dean left because he wanted to leave. He did this any number of times on the Vh-1 board. He's done it a number of times since I've been here as well. I did not make him leave. No one made him leave. He left and just as easily, he could come back. The reality is that he NEEDS people to beg him to come back. He's like someone else I know personally who has Borderline Personality Disorder. Everything is about them. They fly off in a rage one minute, then are loving you the next. If they feel insecure about you or something surrounding you, then they start pouting and expect you to beg them to enter back into a relationship with them. They play really hard to get and you have got to convince them with everything you have. Finally, they acquiese and return, only to have the vicious cycle start over again. It's never their fault for anything. It's always, always someone else's fault.

Regarding the person in my life, I have been through this cycle too many times to count over the years. It's over. They are now trying to get back into my life and I refuse to let them. I gave up 20 years of my life trying to fill their needs and I'm not doing it any longer.

Fortunately for Dean, there are numerous people on this board who are willing to step up the plate and continue to bend over for him. Let him do what he wants. I could care less. I'm sorry for you that you find the board less meaningful. But you have the choice to add meaningful dialogue to it, or pine away for some member who is gone. Seems like you'd prefer the latter.