The Cat Appears Certainly To Be Out of the Bag....

[ArnelRox]

Lula, ur writing a LOT like Dean today, but a little calmer & w/out f-bombs.

Have u 2 merged into 1 personality now?

LOL, not merged. Though he could use a little of my diplomacy and me a little of his candor . I guess there is a reason we hit it off, huh?

Borrowing from Paula Abdul here "opposites attract".

[bluejeangirl76]

Have u listened to any boots of shows from last yr?

Ugh. Yes. And I'm not ready to forgive him for what he did to "Be Good To Yourself".
For that alone his exit is warranted.

(quit freaking out, it's a joke. the exit part, not the BGTY part - that was awful).

[Wheels Of Fyre]

I'll be SO HAPPY when something OFFICIAL is reported. All of your claims mean absolutely NOTHING to me. I don't care who you know or who you claim to know - you and Dean are NOT credible sources in my so-called unclear mind. In fact I question your motives for EVERYTHING you post here.

I have never claimed to be a source for anything. My motives? Please tell me what you mean.

Playing coy...?

Your motives? It appears to me that your interaction here is founded upon how you can use/exploit JOURNEY for your own gain or benefit.

Now that is funny. For the record, my interaction here is for discussion and entertainment. "Exploit Journey" what the hell are you talking about? What I gain from Journey is pleasure. I am entertained when I attend a live show and enjoy the vast catalogue immensely. Careful making such claims, you are way off base here. I would like to hear how you think I am "exploiting Journey" for personal gain or benefit, do tell.

I don't have a collection of your posts. It's merely an observation I've gathered along the way.

Telling me I'm off base again. I recall you telling me the same thing regarding my own son! You made that comment based off a SINGLE post with absolutely ZERO knowledge of me or my son and our relationship. In this instance I'm making my observations based off countless numbers of your posts. So who is more off base?

If you want to claim that my observation is off base - despite the fact that you claim that you don't know what I'm talking about - then that's fine. It doesn't change the content of your posts and how you've presented yourself.

[Lula]

I'll be SO HAPPY when something OFFICIAL is reported. All of your claims mean absolutely NOTHING to me. I don't care who you know or who you claim to know - you and Dean are NOT credible sources in my so-called unclear mind. In fact I question your motives for EVERYTHING you post here.

I have never claimed to be a source for anything. My motives? Please tell me what you mean.

Playing coy...?

Your motives? It appears to me that your interaction here is founded upon how you can use/exploit JOURNEY for your own gain or benefit.

Now that is funny. For the record, my interaction here is for discussion and entertainment. "Exploit Journey" what the hell are you talking about? What I gain from Journey is pleasure. I am entertained when I attend a live show and enjoy the vast catalogue immensely. Careful making such claims, you are way off base here. I would like to hear how you think I am "exploiting Journey" for personal gain or benefit, do tell.

I don't have a collection of your posts. It's merely an observation I've gathered along the way.

Telling me I'm off base again. I recall you telling me the same thing regarding my own son! You made that comment based off a SINGLE post with absolutely ZERO knowledge of me or my son and our relationship. In this instance I'm making my observations based off countless numbers of your posts. So who is more off base?

If you want to claim that my observation is off base - despite the fact that you claim that you don't know what I'm talking about - then that's fine. It doesn't change the content of your posts and how you've presented yourself.

Oh, you have a son with disabilities, don't you. I remember reading a post that came off as a downer about your son. I don't give a rat's ass what you think about my presentation of self. I am still curious though about how it is you see me exploiting Journey for my own gain or benefit. Please, enlighten me.

[somethingtohide]

Observation: they're selling alcohol for a children's charity fundraiser?

Thank you! Exactly what I was thinking.

It's what the winery had to offer to help support the charity. I think it's a nice gesture. I wish more businesses would do something similar.


I don't imagine they'll be selling or serving the wine to the children.

[maverick218]

Out of respect for JSS, I should have used a different word than "alternate", but I didn't want to call him temporary, substitute, replacement or wifey #4 either. He deserves better than all of those, probably deserves better than to be "the 4th lead singer for the rock band made famous by Steve Perry in the 1980s" or however some media-rite may choose to put it. Pick any word you like that means "a lead singer other than the one you expected to hear" when you bought the ticket.

Not meaning to really nit pick here but JSS is the 5th singer in Journey's History:
Rolie
Fleishman
Perry
Augeri
JSS

[maverick218]

The bottom line is Journey has now watered down the meaning of lead singer and anyone who pre-pays money for a ticket has to be willing to accept alternate singers on the front of that stage.

Bullshit.
This lead singer transplant has restored Journey, not watered them down.
Now there is a band out there that both fans and all bandmembers alike are proud to take part in.

You got that right

[maverick218]

I am really really bored right now so I thought I would play devil's advocate here.

IF Journey got inducted into the R&R Hall of Fame this year, how do you see that scenario playing out? ALL past and present band members attended the Walk of Fame ceremony in LA. Should ALL the band members do the same if it were the HOF?

Can you see Steve Perry on stage with Steve Augeri and JSS? Should SA be excluded, even though he contributed 8 years of time, and is featured on 2 CDs and one EP with the band.
Should JSS be excluded from the honors? What has been his contribution to the band, other than this tour?? I know this is a stretch, since for some unexplained reasons, Journey has always been ignored by the HOF committee.

Like I said, I'm bored. Not trying to start any brawls here, just some consversations.

Mandi

SA should be included, JSS shouldn't until he records a CD as Journey's lead singer- JMHO.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Augeri was INCREDIBLE (screw those who claim he was lip-synching, I know better, I was there)

NEWSFLASH: All of us were there.

And if by now you still believe Deano was running solely on intution or a "hunch" you are the biggest dribbling retard this side of Corky from 'Life Goes On'.

That being said, I think Augeri has received way too much disrespect on this site.

Then you obviously have not been on this site very long.
Steve Perry got ritually keelhauled naked over a bed of barbed wire by the regulars daily.

Why should Augeri be granted immunity from the same FUCK-decorum approach that everyone else (Neal, Jon, Ross, Perry etc) continues to recieve?

He stepped into some shoes that were pretty much impossible to step into,

And he got paid handsomely for it, too.

brought many new younger fans into the Journey camp, worked his ASS off for eight years and put his heart and soul into this band, it's music and it's fans.

So did Neal, Jon, and everyone else.
This doesn't prevent me from pointing out that Neal Schon has big sweaty man titties, nor should it.

I think he deserves a lot more respect and appreciation than he has received on this site (though I know full-well that this post will get trashed as anything positive about Augeri posted here does).

You want it to be so simplistically "black and white" don't you?
How about many of us are pissed off at Augeri while still remaining a modicum of respect or admiration for the man?
How about people here are totally within their rights not to like Steve Augeri at all?

[Wheels Of Fyre]

I'll be SO HAPPY when something OFFICIAL is reported. All of your claims mean absolutely NOTHING to me. I don't care who you know or who you claim to know - you and Dean are NOT credible sources in my so-called unclear mind. In fact I question your motives for EVERYTHING you post here.

I have never claimed to be a source for anything. My motives? Please tell me what you mean.

Playing coy...?

Your motives? It appears to me that your interaction here is founded upon how you can use/exploit JOURNEY for your own gain or benefit.

Now that is funny. For the record, my interaction here is for discussion and entertainment. "Exploit Journey" what the hell are you talking about? What I gain from Journey is pleasure. I am entertained when I attend a live show and enjoy the vast catalogue immensely. Careful making such claims, you are way off base here. I would like to hear how you think I am "exploiting Journey" for personal gain or benefit, do tell.

I don't have a collection of your posts. It's merely an observation I've gathered along the way.

Telling me I'm off base again. I recall you telling me the same thing regarding my own son! You made that comment based off a SINGLE post with absolutely ZERO knowledge of me or my son and our relationship. In this instance I'm making my observations based off countless numbers of your posts. So who is more off base?

If you want to claim that my observation is off base - despite the fact that you claim that you don't know what I'm talking about - then that's fine. It doesn't change the content of your posts and how you've presented yourself.

Oh, you have a son with disabilities, don't you. I remember reading a post that came off as a downer about your son. I don't give a rat's ass what you think about my presentation of self. I am still curious though about how it is you see me exploiting Journey for my own gain or benefit. Please, enlighten me.

No. I have a son. He's only disabled to those with deluded vision.

[bluejeangirl76]

And if by now you still believe Deano was running solely on intution or a "hunch" you are the biggest dribbling retard this side of Corky from 'Life Goes On'.

I very nearly soiled myself on that one.

[jrnyman28]

I think the "classic" lineup AND Gregg would likely get the nod. Maybe throw in Aynsley and George. But I doubt anyone after that would get inducted as Journey. However, I think JSS would sing because I don't see Perry doing it...(hope I am wrong-and it is quite possible because Perry is supposedly able to think about the fans and put there feelings over his own to some extent).

[The Ghost Rider]

And if by now you still believe Deano was running solely on intution or a "hunch" you are the biggest dribbling retard this side of Corky from 'Life Goes On'.

I very nearly soiled myself on that one.

As the parent of a child with Down Syndrome...I guess I missed the humor on that one.

[The_Noble_Cause]

As the parent of a child with Down Syndrome...I guess I missed the humor on that one.

Too bad for you then.
People can't censor everything they say on the rare chance someone will be offended by it.

How often is the word "homo" invoked around these parts?
Do you realize I have a family member who is gay?
Does that mean I should systematically patrol this forum and tell people what's acceptable and what's not?
-Of course not.

Simply put, homos and those with metal-afflictions are both comedy gold.
And that's coming from someone who has one of both in his family.

[jrnyman28]

Simply put, homos and those with metal-afflictions are both comedy gold.
And that's coming from someone who has one of both in his family.

Hell, TNC might even BE both!!

He's right here though that it is difficult to refrain from a descriptive joke on the chance there could possibly be a person who might know someone who could be affected by the subject of the joke....

[The Ghost Rider]

As the parent of a child with Down Syndrome...I guess I missed the humor on that one.

Too bad for you then.
People can't censor everything they say on the rare chance someone will be offended by it.

How often is the word "homo" invoked around these parts?
Do you realize I have a family member who is gay?
Does that mean I should systematically patrol this forum and tell people what's acceptable and what's not?
-Of course not.

Simply put, homos and those with metal-afflictions are both comedy gold.
And that's coming from someone who has one of both in his family.

I never claimed to be offended. I merely stated that I didn't find any humor in Down Syndrome. If you and others do...good for you. We all have to laugh about something, I guess.

[Adikeo]

Observation: they're selling alcohol for a children's charity fundraiser?

Thank you! Exactly what I was thinking.

It's what the winery had to offer to help support the charity. I think it's a nice gesture. I wish more businesses would do something similar.


I don't imagine they'll be selling or serving the wine to the children.

I realize that but did think it a bit ironic. I would have attempted a more child-oriented product since the monies go to a children's charity but hey, they didn't ask me so there you go.

[bluejeangirl76]

How often is the word "homo" invoked around these parts?
Do you realize I have a family member who is gay?

I do too.
But I'm certainly not going to gripe about the word homo or patrol the board for political correctness.
I don't expect anyone to curb anything on my account. If I did I would be attacking everyone who tells mean Perry jokes.

<----------------------------- Clearly they can see which team I'm on...yet they tell those jokes anyway. The bastards!!

A lot of them are kinda funny, really.

[Lula]

I'll be SO HAPPY when something OFFICIAL is reported. All of your claims mean absolutely NOTHING to me. I don't care who you know or who you claim to know - you and Dean are NOT credible sources in my so-called unclear mind. In fact I question your motives for EVERYTHING you post here.

I have never claimed to be a source for anything. My motives? Please tell me what you mean.

Playing coy...?

Your motives? It appears to me that your interaction here is founded upon how you can use/exploit JOURNEY for your own gain or benefit.

Now that is funny. For the record, my interaction here is for discussion and entertainment. "Exploit Journey" what the hell are you talking about? What I gain from Journey is pleasure. I am entertained when I attend a live show and enjoy the vast catalogue immensely. Careful making such claims, you are way off base here. I would like to hear how you think I am "exploiting Journey" for personal gain or benefit, do tell.

I don't have a collection of your posts. It's merely an observation I've gathered along the way.

Telling me I'm off base again. I recall you telling me the same thing regarding my own son! You made that comment based off a SINGLE post with absolutely ZERO knowledge of me or my son and our relationship. In this instance I'm making my observations based off countless numbers of your posts. So who is more off base?

If you want to claim that my observation is off base - despite the fact that you claim that you don't know what I'm talking about - then that's fine. It doesn't change the content of your posts and how you've presented yourself.

Oh, you have a son with disabilities, don't you. I remember reading a post that came off as a downer about your son. I don't give a rat's ass what you think about my presentation of self. I am still curious though about how it is you see me exploiting Journey for my own gain or benefit. Please, enlighten me.

No. I have a son. He's only disabled to those with deluded vision.

Okay then. The only way I knew about your son was from your own posts- you said he had a disability. How else would I have known?

I see you have chosen to keep your thoughts that I am exploiting Journey for my own benefit or gain to just an accusation with nothing to back it up. Whatever.... you give me way too much credit.

[Enigma869]

I am really really bored right now so I thought I would play devil's advocate here.

IF Journey got inducted into the R&R Hall of Fame this year, how do you see that scenario playing out? ALL past and present band members attended the Walk of Fame ceremony in LA. Should ALL the band members do the same if it were the HOF?

Can you see Steve Perry on stage with Steve Augeri and JSS? Should SA be excluded, even though he contributed 8 years of time, and is featured on 2 CDs and one EP with the band.
Should JSS be excluded from the honors? What has been his contribution to the band, other than this tour?? I know this is a stretch, since for some unexplained reasons, Journey has always been ignored by the HOF committee.

Like I said, I'm bored. Not trying to start any brawls here, just some consversations.

Mandi

When a band is inducted they are invited. When Santana was inducted Schon was not there, but Rolie was. When Journey gets inducted my guess is it will be the line up from the 70s 80s era, the body of work that represents so much of their influence in music, just my opinion of course.

If I'm interpreting the rules correctly, Augeri is not eligible. The RRHOF rule states "25 years after the release of the first record".

Augeri did not record until 2001. In fact, Jon Cain only became eligible this year since he didn't record with them until 1981. For example...not all members of Skynard were inducted last year because it hasn't been 25 years yet.

I'm sure they would all be invited, but they can't all be inducted.

Nor should they all be inducted. This notion that Augeri should be recognized if Journey were to ever be inducted into the Rock and Roll HOF (which by the way, won't happen...There are no bands like Journey who have ever been recognized!) is beyond ludicrous. Listen...I have no issue with Augeri. From all reports, he's a nice enough dude. That said, if (and again, it's a VERY BIG IF) Journey were to get inducted, they would be inducted for their Perry era material, period, end of story! They wouldn't be getting into the HOF for Arrival (which I thought was great), Red13 (sucked), or Generations (sucked more).

At the end of the day, you can throw out any and every name of every guy who has ever been in Journey. That won't change the fact that if Journey were to ever have this honor bestowed upon them, they will be recognized for their classic lineup, not Steve Augeri. When the final chapter of the Journey book is closed, Augeri will be nothing more than a footnote in Journey history. Honestly, even if the "tapegate" episode never saw the light of day, I would still feel the same way. I just can't imagine that Augeri would even want to be recognized for an accomplishment that he had nothing to do with!

John from Boston

[treetopovskaya]

That being said, I think Augeri has received way too much disrespect on this site.. He stepped into some shoes that were pretty much impossible to step into, brought many new younger fans into the Journey camp, worked his ASS off for eight years and put his heart and soul into this band, it's music and it's fans. I think he deserves a lot more respect and appreciation than he has received on this site (though I know full-well that this post will get trashed as anything positive about Augeri posted here does).

I completely agree. The bashing was way over the top.

i agree too. i really grew to like augeri & generations... so much i keep it in my travel cd case with all my other journey/sp/jss/googoo dolls/john mayer cds!

i feel for steve augeri... hope he's doing well. }:C)

[Monker]

EXACTLY. And, THAT is why I will NEVER pay $75/ticket to see Journey ever again.

You never know who is going to show up in the band.

So you won't be requiring this forum anylonger. Cheerio then!

Amen Andrew!!!!!!!!!

Monker thrives on people not liking him. That is why he has fun posting. Like someone said in the Styx forum recently, Monker is only happy when a puppy or kitten dies.

Not true. I just don't care if people do or don't like me.

That's not what I am here for.

Others DO care. That's their decision and I'm not going to criticize that.

I'm just not one who is going to let something I want to say go unsaid just because it may rub someone the wrong way. I'm also not somebody who chums up to others for political gain.

If I feel I should point my finger at Andrew and tell him how I feel about certain aspects of this forum - I will. I don't care if he doesn't like it. At least I have the balls to say it...others here think it but don't say anything - and I know that for a fact.

[Wildfire]

And if by now you still believe Deano was running solely on intution or a "hunch" you are the biggest dribbling retard this side of Corky from 'Life Goes On'.

I very nearly soiled myself on that one.

As the parent of a child with Down Syndrome...I guess I missed the humor on that one.

Totally agree with you on this. Uncalled for, so not right!!!

[Monker]

This is too much.

Dean looked over my shoulder and just started laughing out loud at this thread.

I really can't blame him for not having the desire to post here.

Two things:

If he didn't have the desire to post here, he wouldn't be looking over your shoulder. Well, unless you missed a button.

He DOES still post here. So, what are you going on about?

[Wheels Of Fyre]

I'll be SO HAPPY when something OFFICIAL is reported. All of your claims mean absolutely NOTHING to me. I don't care who you know or who you claim to know - you and Dean are NOT credible sources in my so-called unclear mind. In fact I question your motives for EVERYTHING you post here.

I have never claimed to be a source for anything. My motives? Please tell me what you mean.

Playing coy...?

Your motives? It appears to me that your interaction here is founded upon how you can use/exploit JOURNEY for your own gain or benefit.

Now that is funny. For the record, my interaction here is for discussion and entertainment. "Exploit Journey" what the hell are you talking about? What I gain from Journey is pleasure. I am entertained when I attend a live show and enjoy the vast catalogue immensely. Careful making such claims, you are way off base here. I would like to hear how you think I am "exploiting Journey" for personal gain or benefit, do tell.

I don't have a collection of your posts. It's merely an observation I've gathered along the way.

Telling me I'm off base again. I recall you telling me the same thing regarding my own son! You made that comment based off a SINGLE post with absolutely ZERO knowledge of me or my son and our relationship. In this instance I'm making my observations based off countless numbers of your posts. So who is more off base?

If you want to claim that my observation is off base - despite the fact that you claim that you don't know what I'm talking about - then that's fine. It doesn't change the content of your posts and how you've presented yourself.

Oh, you have a son with disabilities, don't you. I remember reading a post that came off as a downer about your son. I don't give a rat's ass what you think about my presentation of self. I am still curious though about how it is you see me exploiting Journey for my own gain or benefit. Please, enlighten me.

No. I have a son. He's only disabled to those with deluded vision.

Okay then. The only way I knew about your son was from your own posts- you said he had a disability. How else would I have known?

I see you have chosen to keep your thoughts that I am exploiting Journey for my own benefit or gain to just an accusation with nothing to back it up. Whatever.... you give me way too much credit.

I mentioned that he was autistic - not that he had a disability. And my mentioning of it was in response to certain people using the word "retard" in the same manner that it's being used in this thread.

The irony! The wheel just keeps spinning around.

As I said regarding the other topic: it's something I've gathered from your posts on this forum. You say it isn't true and that your motives are purely as a fan. So be it. That doesn't change what I've gathered. Neither will my pointing to anything support my observation. You'll simply argue that I've misunderstood or that I'm deluded, etc. So there's really no point in discussing it.

I've made my observation and you've said that your motives are otherwise. I don't see the value in dragging anything out.

[80s man]

Yes and you are right I am bitter.

Bitter that JSS didn't have a better opportunity to show the world his talent. He should be up on the grammy stage by now accepting an award for best new vocal performance fronting for his own band. Singing his own work. NO matter how much some of you think this will happen for him as a part of Journey in the future, we will never see that.

Right now, he is exposing the world to his talent on the coattails of Journey success, singing Journey songs. Problem is the rest of the non-melodicrock world (aka the other 99.999999999999999999999999%) doesn't know "JEFF SCOTT SOTO", if they know him, they know him as Journey's current lead singer, # 3 or 4 or 5 or something like that.

I think he deserves to be his own star and is his own star. But instead, he is currently caught in this ugly stream of Journey B.S. that is still so prevalent that "people" (as Lula so compassionately referred to us) fight over who signed wine bottles for a children's charity.

I don't care what you call me, call me any ugly name you want, but I think JSS deserved better than to be a part of this whole disgusting vile Journey year.

Would this be the same vile year in which Journey are enjoying a MASSIVE tour and the guys are having a total blast and JSS thinks he is in heaven doing this?

[Lula]

Fyre, I gotta say- you're full of hot air... er, shit.

[Lula]

This is too much.

Dean looked over my shoulder and just started laughing out loud at this thread.

I really can't blame him for not having the desire to post here.

Two things:

If he didn't have the desire to post here, he wouldn't be looking over your shoulder. Well, unless you missed a button.

He DOES still post here. So, what are you going on about?

Monker, Monker, Monker...... you are correct, Dean is back on the board and it seems many people are very happy about that. You really don't know why Dean was looking over my shoulder when I posted this or ever for that matter.

[Liz22562]

And telling someone their full of S***, or to stuff objects into a bodily orifice and/or any other nasty comeback because you disagree with a post pretty much negates anything else you have previously debated. There have been some great debates and extremely heated arguments on here...but as soon as you throw trash...the debate/conversation ends. I bet a therapist would have a hay day on here!

In a nut shell, that is basically what Monker, Fyre, 28, Fred and several others have been trying to point out for weeks. I believe someone said it quite well - Journey is here to entertain us. Period.

[Monker]

And telling someone their full of S***, or to stuff objects into a bodily orifice and/or any other nasty comeback because you disagree with a post pretty much negates anything else you have previously debated. There have been some great debates and extremely heated arguments on here...but as soon as you throw trash...the debate/conversation ends. I bet a therapist would have a hay day on here!

In a nut shell, that is basically what Monker, Fyre, 28, Fred and several others have been trying to point out for weeks. I believe someone said it quite well - Journey is here to entertain us. Period.

Yep...that is EXACTLY it...and when it is done CONSTANTLY, it brings the entire forum down. And, when the OWNER of the forum does nothing but slap a wrist every few months - it will NOT stop.

And, I had a great post written up last night about this and some other things and it didn't get posted for whatever reason. Hopefully I can spend some time tonight to rewrite it and ensure it gets posted this time.