BT Rules

[knox]

I don't get it... It seems like the rules at BT are in need of major overhaul. This doesn't even have as much to do with the over-censorship as other horrendously blatant faults.

For instance: Jeff comes here and loves to see Journey You Tube clips, yet you can't even DISCUSS them on Journey's own board.

If anything, you would think that they would LOVE to have people see the Message Of Love clip - it is FANTASTIC!

Now, I know that every single member of BT comes here for all the goodies, and surely the powers that be know that at BT, right? Even the powers themselves come here. (And I know a lot of us, even those of us who are banned, lurk over there for one reason or another.)

It seems ridiculous that they live under archaeic rules for the sake of the rules themselves.

This has NOTHING to do with the people who post at BT. This has to do with the decisions, or lack thereof, of the BAND, MANAGEMENT, and whoever ELSE is in charge of that delinquent board.

I know that the discussion has been had that the place needs a major overhaul, I just hope it happens soon. It would be nice to have 2 good Journey boards.

Does anyone know WHY the board is so lacking?

[Crazie Scarab]

BT is a lost cause.

[Carlitto H@kk]

It baffles the mind doesn't it?
I can't say I blame all the Mods for the staleness over there, although a few Mods and Mod-Wannabes(Nancy) do go overboard.
Whoever is at the top of tht mountain really needs a reality check.
Forums aren't that fun if you can't do all the great things we like to
do as FANS, like 'Speculate on what the band might do in the future'
or discuss gossip or express opions...

[Clasicrockldy]

Those rules have always baffled me. Why be so cheery all the time? Where is a space for some constructive criticism on what the band does? Meaning the music. Anyone would think that the band would want fan feedback, either good or bad. To always have it positive is deceptive. It is not painting a real picture of the fans. JMHO.

[whocares]

Journey would NEVER be deceptive CLR! come on...

[Clasicrockldy]

Journey would NEVER be deceptive CLR! come on...

Oh hell, who, you know what I mean. Ya can't always have sunshine blowing up your ass (meaning Journey) all the time !

[whocares]

I dunno, ever have sunshine blown up.... nevermind. I don't want to know.

[Clasicrockldy]

I dunno, ever have sunshine blown up.... nevermind. I don't want to know.

Lmaoooo, who, it is a nicer way to say that people kiss your ass and tell you that you don't do anything wrong !

[whocares]

I know kid, I'm just being a bit playful tonight.

[Carlitto H@kk]

I dunno, ever have sunshine blown up.... nevermind. I don't want to know.

Lmaoooo, who, it is a nicer way to say that people kiss your ass and tell you that you don't do anything wrong !

Yea, its good having 'open conversations' like these we share at MR.com...
Sometimes it takes someone like us to gently remove that proverbial 'stick' from Neal or Jon or Jeff's ass, take a sniff, shove it thier face and say, "Hey dude, your shit stinks too!"

You know what I'm sayin'...
I'm sure they are actually all entertained with our rants. But I wouldn't doubt for a second that they don't actually take heed to some of the rants and listen to us.

[Clasicrockldy]

I dunno, ever have sunshine blown up.... nevermind. I don't want to know.

Lmaoooo, who, it is a nicer way to say that people kiss your ass and tell you that you don't do anything wrong !

Yea, its good having 'open conversations' like these we share at MR.com...
Sometimes it takes someone like us to gently remove that proverbial 'stick' from Neal or Jon or Jeff's ass, take a sniff, shove it thier face and say, "Hey dude, your shit stinks too!"

You know what I'm sayin'...
I'm sure they are actually all entertained with our rants. But I wouldn't doubt for a second that they don't actually take heed to some of the rants and listen to us.

What a nice visual there, Carlitto. Thank heaven's I already had my dinner !

[FishMan-JourneyFan]

What is this BT you speak of?

[EclipticJourney]

It baffles the mind doesn't it?
I can't say I blame all the Mods for the staleness over there, although a few Mods and Mod-Wannabes(Nancy) do go overboard.
Whoever is at the top of tht mountain really needs a reality check.
Forums aren't that fun if you can't do all the great things we like to
do as FANS, like 'Speculate on what the band might do in the future'
or discuss gossip or express opions...

I'm beginning to think you have a crush on me. I haven't posted here in close to a month and for that entire time, you've referenced me a half dozen or more times.

So I must remind you, Carlitta, that I am a heterosexual. That means I like females, not males or drag queens, or whatever it is you really are.

Bye.

[jrnysc]

I dunno, ever have sunshine blown up.... nevermind. I don't want to know.

Lmaoooo, who, it is a nicer way to say that people kiss your ass and tell you that you don't do anything wrong !

Yea, its good having 'open conversations' like these we share at MR.com...
Sometimes it takes someone like us to gently remove that proverbial 'stick' from Neal or Jon or Jeff's ass, take a sniff, shove it thier face and say, "Hey dude, your shit stinks too!"

You know what I'm sayin'...
I'm sure they are actually all entertained with our rants. But I wouldn't doubt for a second that they don't actually take heed to some of the rants and listen to us.

I am quite sure they listen. I have seen too many times where someone, or group of people will be requesting a song live, and a few nights later there ya go!!! This has always been one of the most interactive bands I have ever seen, and used to be even moreso until the site you mention ran them all off. You have to love Neal and Jeff's candor however. They will tell you to fuck off in a second. I respect that of them. They are like normal people. Respect me and I will respect you. That is all you can ask.

[conversationpc]

For instance: Jeff comes here and loves to see Journey You Tube clips, yet you can't even DISCUSS them on Journey's own board.

If anything, you would think that they would LOVE to have people see the Message Of Love clip - it is FANTASTIC!

I wasn't aware you couldn't even discuss youtube clips over there. Then again, I haven't ventured over there in a while. Regardless, it does seem rather ridiculous to disallow discussion of those clips, especially when most of them shed rather good light on the band.

[jrnysc]

For instance: Jeff comes here and loves to see Journey You Tube clips, yet you can't even DISCUSS them on Journey's own board.

If anything, you would think that they would LOVE to have people see the Message Of Love clip - it is FANTASTIC!

I wasn't aware you couldn't even discuss youtube clips over there. Then again, I haven't ventured over there in a while. Regardless, it does seem rather ridiculous to disallow discussion of those clips, especially when most of them shed rather good light on the band.

Yeah, I noticed that the other day. A poster was talking about the MOL clip, and was quieted rather quickly. I personally enjoy ALL the clips.

[Eric]

I haven't posted here in close to a month

Pffff. A month my ass. We should only be so lucky!

[ArnelRox]

You have to love Neal and Jeff's candor however. They will tell you to fuck off in a second. I respect that of them. They are like normal people. Respect me and I will respect you. That is all you can ask.

I've never seen Neal say that to someone. I don't think I've seen Jeff say it exactly either. But man do I love the way Jeff stands up for himself. I love the fact that he's a normal guy. That one comment he made here about if the day comes when he can't be a regular guy & has to act like some rockstar, he'll quit, (or words to that effect) I just loved that. See, IMHO that's what he brought to the stage the other nite. He's a true fan up there performing those songs as well as a true performer. & I love the way he posts here w/us & joins in the fun. To me, that makes him extra special. I'll be a fan of that man forever. I say it again: Journey fans got real lucky this summer.

[Sandman67]

BT is a lost cause.

I would have to agree with that. After the last few threads that I saw CJ lock, especially last night- I can't stomach it anymore.

This place really is a breath of fresh air.

[Enigma869]

I don't get it... It seems like the rules at BT are in need of major overhaul. This doesn't even have as much to do with the over-censorship as other horrendously blatant faults.

For instance: Jeff comes here and loves to see Journey You Tube clips, yet you can't even DISCUSS them on Journey's own board.

If anything, you would think that they would LOVE to have people see the Message Of Love clip - it is FANTASTIC!

Now, I know that every single member of BT comes here for all the goodies, and surely the powers that be know that at BT, right? Even the powers themselves come here. (And I know a lot of us, even those of us who are banned, lurk over there for one reason or another.)

It seems ridiculous that they live under archaeic rules for the sake of the rules themselves.

This has NOTHING to do with the people who post at BT. This has to do with the decisions, or lack thereof, of the BAND, MANAGEMENT, and whoever ELSE is in charge of that delinquent board.

I know that the discussion has been had that the place needs a major overhaul, I just hope it happens soon. It would be nice to have 2 good Journey boards.

Does anyone know WHY the board is so lacking?

I've always thought BT was an absolute farce of a website. I never really knew where to point the finger. It is entirely possible that CJ and her minions get their directive from Journey management to squelch certain topics of discussion. That said, the site is fucking boring and has turned into nothing more than a "Stevie Awesome" crotch sniff-fest! It's really embarrassing to those of us who have been fans of the music for most of our lives! You are not even allowed to politely criticize anything about Journey, which is flat-out ridiculous. Listen...I get the fact that it is Journey's website, and that it is there to promote Journey, blah, blah, blah. I've heard it all 1000 times. That said, this notion that every single person on a web forum is going to have the same opinion about EVERYTHING is beyond ludicrous, and certainly not an accurate reflection of our society! I'm probably one of the few people who was always accused of being a "rebel" on that site who decided to stop posting there, voluntarily and was never banned. It's simply MUCH more refreshing to come to a place like MR where people are free to actually say what's on their minds (gee, what a novel concept!). I certainly don't agree with everything I see posted here, and I'm VERY okay with that. At least people have opinions here!

John from Boston

[Rockindeano]

I haven't posted here in close to a month

Whatever, Why not be super Dick and make it 5,609 months you DON'T post here.

I am in favour of mending the fences and uniting the cause, but you are one sorry sack of flaming shit I want to see being left behind. Don't you have an official something or other to be waiting for?

Stupid cocksucking Mr. "I give Head to other Men."

[jrnysc]

You have to love Neal and Jeff's candor however. They will tell you to fuck off in a second. I respect that of them. They are like normal people. Respect me and I will respect you. That is all you can ask.

I've never seen Neal say that to someone. I don't think I've seen Jeff say it exactly either. But man do I love the way Jeff stands up for himself. I love the fact that he's a normal guy. That one comment he made here about if the day comes when he can't be a regular guy & has to act like some rockstar, he'll quit, (or words to that effect) I just loved that. See, IMHO that's what he brought to the stage the other nite. He's a true fan up there performing those songs as well as a true performer. & I love the way he posts here w/us & joins in the fun. To me, that makes him extra special. I'll be a fan of that man forever. I say it again: Journey fans got real lucky this summer.

I didn't really mean they say it in that manner, but you know exactly how they feel. I have seen Neal tell people they need to get a life, including posters at BT. I have also seen him get rather aggravated at some questions he was asked when they used to get online. They are straightforward and to the point. That is all I meant.

[MartyMoffatt]

Why does this subject keep getting raised again and again? It’s beginning to border on obsessiveness.

I may be speaking from a position of some bias, because I have in the week or so been asked to help out with Mod duties on BT. However, I do try to maintain impartiality. Anyway, here is my take on this – and bear in mind that these are my OPINIONS. I am not speaking in any official capacity on behalf of BT.

MR and BT are two different styles of forum – each has its place. On BT there are a lot of threads that you obviously disapprove of here – the so-called sickly sweet lovey-dovey threads. So what? Don’t bother reading them if they offend you. I don’t read them either, other than to check they don’t descent into open warfare. There are certainly threads that are worth reading on BT, and debates that are allowed to run, with positive and negative views. Open name calling, baiting, trolling etc, and constant negativity towards any band member, past or present, is discouraged, and on an official site you shouldn’t expect anything less. Moderation may be heavy on BT compared to here, but it is done with the best of intentions and with no ulterior motives than to maintain a space for people of all ages, races, sexual orientation or religious denomination etc to talk about Journey. CJ is one of the fairest people I’ve come across in this respect.

You would have to agree that MR is not a site suitable for children, and some of the xenophobic and bigoted comments make it an unwelcoming site for many others too. Probably around 80% of threads here on MR comprise in-jokes, vulgarity, baiting or open hostility between maybe a dozen posters. Some may live for that friction, and others enjoy the entertainment that comes from seeing individuals picked on, but many more don’t. Many people come here for the 20% of posts that actually mean something and are actually about Journey – you know, that band in the title of this particular forum.

It is those threads that make this a worthwhile place. Yes you can speak openly here, but that isn’t the be all and end all of an internet forum.

As to the Youtube policy, it is a management policy that bootlegs (including Youtube) are not allowed on BT. This is not unique to that site. Many official bands have similar policies on their official sites. Bootlegs are notoriously poor quality, and the band has no artistic or technical control over their quality. In addition, there used to be a culture of trading bootlegs for money and that is obviously not something anybody associated with the band would want to encourage. Youtube also enables illegal downloading of commercial content, for which, obviously, the band do not receive royalties.

Maybe it is time to review that policy, bearing in mind that Youtube in particular as a means of distributing fan made recordings is a very new phenomenon. Not so long ago, cameras were almost always banned from concert venues, but this year they seem to be more relaxed about letting ‘non professional’ cameras in. However, it isn’t something the band or management are likely to be concerned about while they’re on the road.

MR doesn’t have to conform to any management guidelines and people can and do post Yootube bootlegs here. That’s fine. I like to listen to them too, although I am surprised that so much emphasis is placed on them. I’ve yet to hear a bootleg recording of good enough quality to truly represent what the concert actually sounded like live, and of course they are rarely of a technical quality that comes anywhere close to a professionally recorded album track.

I really don’t understand why there is always such a venomous animosity towards BT here on MR. I can understand why people don’t like the general ‘positive spin’ atmosphere there, but why is it necessary for certain posters here to continuously try to put the boot in? The anti-MR posts disappeared from BT a long time ago, so why do the anti-BT posts persist here, in the form of open criticism and/or sarcastic one liners almost every day. Why can't we call a truce and let each forum operate as it sees fit? Aren't we all supposed to be fans of the same band and music?

OK, my soapbox has just collapsed where I’ve been stood on it so long, so I’ll get off now.

Marty

[knox]

I didn't think my original post was all that flammable toward BT. Sure, it was negative, but nothing extreme.

And I have to disagree that there is much content worth reading over there. Between the H2Hs and positive energy threads, there is rarely ANYTHING that turns into a good discussion because as soon as something negative is said regarding the band's decisions it is shut down, erased, or what have you. And if you even SPECULATE about ANYTHING, you get the same canned responses.

I don't curse, and never have posted a curse word. What I like about MR is the fact that we CAN speculate, have differing opinions, and DISCUSS those opinions.

Sure, I could do without the language. But if it means leaving the board open for actual conversation which INCLUDES SPECULATION, NEGATIVE CRITICISM, AND VIDEO/AUDIO CLIPS, then I say keep it.

I don't have an obsession with BT, but I do check it out and ONLY read those posts that seem interesting. They never turn out to contribute any real discussion, however, before they are locked.

[MartyMoffatt]

I didn't think my original post was all that flammable toward BT. Sure, it was negative, but nothing extreme.

True. I didn't have any real issue with your original post, other than it's covering ground that has already been done to death. My comments were aimed more at all the other posters who immediately jump on such a post to stick the boot in, and it happens any time the word BT appears in any thread.

Marty

[Wheels Of Fyre]

Why does this subject keep getting raised again and again? It’s beginning to border on obsessiveness...

...OK, my soapbox has just collapsed where I’ve been stood on it so long, so I’ll get off now.

Marty

I thought that was a pretty sturdy soabox!

Bottom line is that BT is considered THE promotional forum for JOURNEY and it HAS to be moderated as such. Don't like it then come here. If you don't like it here then speak your mind and/or find somewhere else where you'll feel at "home".

[yulog]

Are new words for today are--Conflict Of Interest

[MartyMoffatt]

Are new words for today are--Conflict Of Interest

Are you sure you have those words in the right order?

[bionic]

It works both ways when BT is mentioned some people will jump into say what they dont like it(me included!) Then on the other hand Marty Moffatt will jump in to defend them,both can be considered to be obsesive i suppose!
I have heard little good to say about BT among fans since tapegate and i fear the damage is done,at the end of the day the fans want to talk about and watch all things Journey if BT is trying to control that then people should go elsewhere i think.

[knox]

Bottom line is that BT is considered THE promotional forum for JOURNEY and it HAS to be moderated as such. Don't like it then come here.

With due respect, that is another one of those "canned" responses. What is wrong with constructive criticism? Does it have to be all or nothing? Can we not offer ways to make BT more enjoyable to the masses instead of the same 15 people who post there regularly?

I think labeling BT "The Promotional Forum For Journey" is being a bit optimistic and clouded in judgement. The site is nearly obsolete, hardly ever being updated with news, let alone even SOME SORT OF MULTIMEDIA. I have seen Bar Bands with better websites than Journeymusic.com.


If you want the real story, instead of the canned "Official Statement", which most at MR know is generally worthless anyway, you come here. This site does more to promote Journey than their own website does.

All I am saying is give the thing some life. Surely there is enough money coming in from the tour to hire a web designer to make it a much better place. Whoever is in charge now should have been fired years ago! Put some videos up of the current tour - even if it is from Arrival or Generations so Perry doesn't have to give his o.k. Do SOMETHING!!! It is not that hard. As is stands, it is a dinosaur of a website.