Stupid tape gate discussion

[jrnysc]

Who/Whatever it is - it's getting annoying beyond belief. If I'm not mistaken Andrew previously said that he had the "green light" and now it appears that it's turned yellow again!!!

Just annoying.

What you don't understand is the light is red...Andrew is all packed and ready to roll; just waiting on Journey Mgt tohit the switch. Come on Fyre. You are smart enough to know this.

Deano, I understand you cannot say what, but I am assuming something unexpected came up? I do remember Andrew had said when he got back he could release the info. at his convenience.

[Rockindeano]

Andrew is KING, but unfortunately, JRNY Mgt is Prime Minister, and he needs to wait on them

[Wheels Of Fyre]

Who/Whatever it is - it's getting annoying beyond belief. If I'm not mistaken Andrew previously said that he had the "green light" and now it appears that it's turned yellow again!!!

Just annoying.

What you don't understand is the light is red...Andrew is all packed and ready to roll; just waiting on Journey Mgt tohit the switch. Come on Fyre. You are smart enough to know this.

Deano, I understand you cannot say what, but I am assuming something unexpected came up? I do remember Andrew had said when he got back he could release the info. at his convenience.

Yup. That's what I thought I read as well!

Thanks for the clarification on the light color, Deano. It seemed like it was yellow but I see the red now!

[jrnysc]

Andrew is KING, but unfortunately, JRNY Mgt is Prime Minister, and he needs to wait on them

I understand. Thanks. I thought management had given him the green light while in LA.

[Tom Jrnyfn]

[quote="HigherPlace2001"

Bottom line it's management who couldn't give a rat's ass about the fans. And more than likely management and their lawyers who continue to play the tug of war with Augeri and his people.[/quote]

Augeri and his people?..Give me a break.. The guy is lucky Neal gave him a shot..Remeber where he came from? Bottom line, his voice is gone and his pretty boy act grew thin with Neal..He will be lucky to do anything in the biz anymore..

[Jeremey]

Journey isn't the one gunking up the works.
It's a soon-to-be ex-member that is strangulating the boys coffers and nickel and diming them to death!

Steve Augeri- u are a crookedy nosed guido punk.

Get over urself and give Jeff the same chance the boys generously gave u back in 1998.

Here's the only scenario I could sympathise with Augeri on:

If he knew his voice was going several years ago and wanted out, but Azoff & crew threatened to hold some kind of contract or something over his head unless he went out with tapes. If Augeri had no choice but to go out and play that charade for the Journey machine, then he gets thrown under the bus by management, then yes, by God, I'd want a pound of flesh for that scenario.

On the other hand, if Augeri & crew put the tapes out there as a means of just getting by, and they just got used more and more, then they got busted with it, then he needs to just go away quietly.

Technology is a slippery slope.

[Deb]

Oh come on. It's not him. It's the lawyers. Once they get involved everything takes forever. Try getting divorced w/lawyers involved. Yuck.

Yeah, really. Just ask Perry. He's the 1st ex-wife getting the big-ass alimony payments.

Now Journey is getting divorced again. I hope JSS asks for a pre-nup.

Now that was funny.

[lights1961]

Wrong.. 45, and yep we lost...but Bush shakes the hand of Pelosi... with class! Not crying, whining, hiring lawyers to find some votes from the dead guys...like 2000. 2002, 2004...

Our democracy is worth fighting for and ensuring that every last vote is counted.
If George "Macaca" Allenowitz belived the VA election results required a recount than he should've demanded one.
There is no shame in that.

and intellgent at the end with the faggot response... typical liberal response when you dont have anything nice to say...
Rick

When your meet the venerable Antoine Scalia in his chambers to eat out his ass daily, do u look like one of those old fashioned photographers with ur head under his robe?
I simply must know!

whew, another zinger at my expense... soooooooo intellegent... I will just keep saying this as my response.....
Also, always been an ass man... but womens only!!

BTW...TNC---- Al Qaeda has a new video mocking the USA for being cowards.... And we were cowards-- for electing democrats to be in control.... and getting rid of Rumsfield... Just thought I would answer questions about who would be happy if democrats were elected...THAT PART I have been vindicated on... If anyone has been given a lift out there in the world...its gotta be Al Qaeda....and have been given momentum now by US the voter... be prepared for anything now, especially if any Patroit ACT, spying capability or even GITMO...is shut down---BY THE DEMOCRATS...JMO.... If you can spin this in a positive way for your party I would LOVE to hear it...



Rick

[brywool]

so how is it known that Augeri is holding it up? Not saying he isn't, just curious where this came from...

[jrnysc]

so how is it known that Augeri is holding it up? Not saying he isn't, just curious where this came from...

Hey there brywool. I don't think anyone knows what is going on for sure. It's just a reasonable assumption IMO since Andrew was initially told he had the green light to put the info. online, and now the light appears to be red until hopefully sometime next week.

[Jeremey fan forever]

Well, everything they did through the Augeri years was fucked. They didn't record, when they did it was subpar, and if the talent wasn't there, they wasted 10 years for nothing. Since Augeri was an adequate but not great replacement, they owe a lot to Andrew for the success they did have these 10 years. Putting the light to yellow again and making Andrew appear flaky after what he's done for them, is fucked. Maybe Andrew should put Journey on yellow for awhile, until they quit acting like a bunch of paranoid back stabbing slime balls. In the good old days, Journey did few interviews, and got little publicity. That made me imagine that they were too clean for rock and roll and just too busy writing kick ass music. Seems now that no publicity is actually good for Journey, because look at what a bunch of sleezy fuckers they are! I'm embarrassed.

And WHO gets credit for how the Augeri thing was handled? Christ, if they had to get rid of Augeri for his voice problems and JSS had the goods fine. But play the role! Where was all the "Augeri sends his love and thanks to the fans...bla bla bla" and the announcements about how "Augeri is visiting this or that specialist bla bla bla" Sure its all BS but its just what you do, and the fact that Journey and or Journey management didn't proves one or both of two things:

1. They have no class or manners whatsoever

2. They haven't a fucking clue in the world how to manage PR

Either way it sucks. I hate how this band is behaving. And look how they manage the "official" site. Could a band be more contemptous and insulting to its fans? Ever heard the one "Don't bite the hand that feeds you" Journey? And if you can't go with that, at least don't shit and piss in the dish you eat from. Journey, get your heads out of your asses and quit fucking with us. If not, just go away with some integrity. Oh, wait, its too late for that! So just fuck off then, or redeem yourselves.

[Sandman67]

Here's the only scenario I could sympathise with Augeri on:

If he knew his voice was going several years ago and wanted out, but Azoff & crew threatened to hold some kind of contract or something over his head unless he went out with tapes. If Augeri had no choice but to go out and play that charade for the Journey machine, then he gets thrown under the bus by management, then yes, by God, I'd want a pound of flesh for that scenario.

On the other hand, if Augeri & crew put the tapes out there as a means of just getting by, and they just got used more and more, then they got busted with it, then he needs to just go away quietly.

Technology is a slippery slope.

And which scenario seems more plausible to you Jeremey?

I'll take the former for 100 Alex!

[lights1961]

Well, everything they did through the Augeri years was fucked. They didn't record, when they did it was subpar, and if the talent wasn't there, they wasted 10 years for nothing. Since Augeri was an adequate but not great replacement, they owe a lot to Andrew for the success they did have these 10 years. Putting the light to yellow again and making Andrew appear flaky after what he's done for them, is fucked. Maybe Andrew should put Journey on yellow for awhile, until they quit acting like a bunch of paranoid back stabbing slime balls. In the good old days, Journey did few interviews, and got little publicity. That made me imagine that they were too clean for rock and roll and just too busy writing kick ass music. Seems now that no publicity is actually good for Journey, because look at what a bunch of sleezy fuckers they are! I'm embarrassed.

And WHO gets credit for how the Augeri thing was handled? Christ, if they had to get rid of Augeri for his voice problems and JSS had the goods fine. But play the role! Where was all the "Augeri sends his love and thanks to the fans...bla bla bla" and the announcements about how "Augeri is visiting this or that specialist bla bla bla" Sure its all BS but its just what you do, and the fact that Journey and or Journey management didn't proves one or both of two things:

1. They have no class or manners whatsoever

2. They haven't a fucking clue in the world how to manage PR

Either way it sucks. I hate how this band is behaving. And look how they manage the "official" site. Could a band be more contemptous and insulting to its fans? Ever heard the one "Don't bite the hand that feeds you" Journey? And if you can't go with that, at least don't shit and piss in the dish you eat from. Journey, get your heads out of your asses and quit fucking with us. If not, just go away with some integrity. Oh, wait, its too late for that! So just fuck off then, or redeem yourselves.

Why hate the band??? Just dont get it... Journey is a machine just like the Jets, Giants, Yankees, Dodgers, Blue Devils etc.. Star Player goes out... you replace them... the 2nd string guy goes out you replace em...Is it better to fold the tents---like 1986..NO-- is there a real fall out NO... It sure isnt hurting them at the shows is it... Again, would it have been better for Journey to just call the tour out---and lose all that money again---ala 1986-1998... I say NO F***ING Way... They now have been screwed by 2 SINGERS...and its TIME TO MOVE on with #3 as in JSS for as many of years as they want...


Rick

[Jeremey]

And which scenario seems more plausible to you Jeremey?

I'll take the former for 100 Alex!

Honestly, I wouldn't know which to place money on. I don't know the true character of anyone in the band, including Steve Augeri, so either scenario is plausible, I guess. I would think it's easier to put the blame on management's shoulders, but again, to quote Glen Frey, the lure of easy money's got a very strong appeal.

[HigherPlace2001]

[quote="JourneyRox"][quote="Rockin'Deano"]You are a piece of shit Highertwat2001. Get over it already. Stop spinning this.[/quote]

Dean have u noticed something? All these woodwork types crawl out w/names ending in 2001. Are they all the same person? Seems they crawl out, post something glorifying their God, then crawl back into their holes as soon as someone posts anything back.[/quote]


Didn't crawl into any hole. My exchange was with TNC and then we were done. Nothing else to answer.

[The_Noble_Cause]

BTW...TNC---- Al Qaeda has a new video mocking the USA for being cowards.... And we were cowards-- for electing democrats to be in control.... and getting rid of Rumsfield... Just thought I would answer questions about who would be happy if democrats were elected...THAT PART I have been vindicated on... If anyone has been given a lift out there in the world...its gotta be Al Qaeda..

Maybe that's what they want u to think.
Ever think of that?
The Bin Laden tape released just days prior to the '04 election helped Bush, not Kerry.
With all security experts universally agreeing that Iraq is the best recruitment tool Al Queda could ever hope for, what makes u so sure the terrorists are truly happy that the Repubs have been given the bums rush?

If you can spin this in a positive way for your party I would LOVE to hear it...

Just did.

[Liz22562]

rap_still_sucks: Could you please explain your remark: "Andrew's role in Journey's success over the last 10 years"? Seems to me he had nothing to do with them touring and releasing Arrival, Red13 and Generations.

I've been a Journey fan for years and can't imagine that it is to anyone's role other than the members of Journey (all members included) that make them a success or not (albeit management both good and bad).

Of course Andrew has given us great interviews and sound bytes, but to attribute Journey's success to Andrew is a little much, yes????

Peace always..

[jrnysc]

rap_still_sucks: Could you please explain your remark: "Andrew's role in Journey's success over the last 10 years"? Seems to me he had nothing to do with them touring and releasing Arrival, Red13 and Generations.

I've been a Journey fan for years and can't imagine that it is to anyone's role other than the members of Journey (all members included) that make them a success or not (albeit management both good and bad).

Of course Andrew has given us great interviews and sound bytes, but to attribute Journey's success to Andrew is a little much, yes????

Peace always..

If I may say something here. Andrew has always given lots of kudos to Journey on his main site, which is a site looked at by many, many people. He has given them IMO about the only PR they have had. I wouldn't say he is responsible for their success, but he surely hasn't done anything to hurt their success.

[EightyRock]

rap-still-sucks said: "But play the role! Where was all the "Augeri sends his love and thanks to the fans...bla bla bla" and the announcements about how "Augeri is visiting this or that specialist bla bla bla" Sure its all BS but its just what you do,"

Don't worry...it's coming in all its nauseating glory when management gets clearance from Augeri's attorney that Journey's press release is OK to release. With all the fallout shifted in Augeri's direction, I'm sure he had lawyers tripping over themselves to get a piece of this. You know damn well Journey's management will have to try to turn this thing around to keep it from looking like it was ALL Augeri's fault, but yet keep themselves smelling like roses. THAT is what has taken so long. If things were so cut, dry and simple, there would have been SOME kind of a statement long ago. Ya gotta get it just right before you can sell it to the public.

[The_Noble_Cause]

You know damn well Journey's management will have to try to turn this thing around to keep it from looking like it was ALL Augeri's fault, but yet keep themselves smelling like roses. THAT is what has taken so long.

I'd expect it to allocate blame to no one.
Augeri is out and that's all there is to it.

Ya gotta get it just right before you can sell it to the public.

Not really.
What the hell is "a chronic throat infection" anyways?

[Jeremey fan forever]

Why hate the band??? Just dont get it... Journey is a machine just like the Jets, Giants, Yankees, Dodgers, Blue Devils etc.. Star Player goes out... you replace them... the 2nd string guy goes out you replace em...Is it better to fold the tents---like 1986..NO-- is there a real fall out NO... It sure isnt hurting them at the shows is it... Again, would it have been better for Journey to just call the tour out---and lose all that money again---ala 1986-1998... I say NO F***ING Way... They now have been screwed by 2 SINGERS...and its TIME TO MOVE on with #3 as in JSS for as many of years as they want...
Rick

I don't hate the band for having JSS. I hate the band because they cant do anything with class or intelligence when it comes to running the machine. They waste time, waste money, and don't win any fucking games! And there obssesion with gagging everything that moves until "the right time" meanwhile looking like a bunck of sleezy fuckers, churns my stomach. What a bunch of paranoid fucking communists, holy fuck! JSS has way too much class for this band. Go see how he runs his business. Its open and free and fun. Look how Journey runs theres. Look at how much material, promotion, and merchandise JSS offers, look at the lame, gag ordered shit pile Journey runs.

Wait until Journey finds out JSS talks to fans and even posted some boots over here before! Holy Fuck! What will happen to JOurney if their fans get a taste of freedom and openess, we cant have that! Dont want any more Berlin walls to crumble, do we?

[lights1961]

You know damn well Journey's management will have to try to turn this thing around to keep it from looking like it was ALL Augeri's fault, but yet keep themselves smelling like roses. THAT is what has taken so long.

I'd expect it to allocate blame to no one.
Augeri is out and that's all there is to it.

Ya gotta get it just right before you can sell it to the public.

Not really.
What the hell is "a chronic throat infection" anyways?

chronic throat (serious health issue----cant sing anymore) infection.


Rick

[ohsherrie]

Don't worry...it's coming in all its nauseating glory when management gets clearance from Augeri's attorney that Journey's press release is OK to release. With all the fallout shifted in Augeri's direction, I'm sure he had lawyers tripping over themselves to get a piece of this. You know damn well Journey's management will have to try to turn this thing around to keep it from looking like it was ALL Augeri's fault, but yet keep themselves smelling like roses. THAT is what has taken so long. If things were so cut, dry and simple, there would have been SOME kind of a statement long ago. Ya gotta get it just right before you can sell it to the public.

There ya go. That's about as cut, dry and simple as it can be put.

Whatever statement is made has to put everyone involved in the best possible light. Then afterwards people will be speculating about what really went on just like we have been for years over the Perry situaltion.

[bluejeangirl76]

What the hell is "a chronic throat infection" anyways?

Mighty interesting question. Being the curious cat that I am, I like to look up things I've never heard of.

"Chronic throat infection - Commonly infected structures include the tonsils, lingual tonsils and adenoids. (The adenoids are high in the throat, in the nasopharynx. Lingual tonsils are located at the base of the tongue.) Each structure is an example of lymphoid tissue, collections of cells that are supposed to fight infection. As front-line troops, these structures can become chronically inflamed as a result of viral or bacterial infections.

Assuming you are correctly diagnosed and treated, how rapidly should you expect to recover? As a rule of thumb, chronic problems require chronic solutions. If your symptoms have been present for years, don't expect results within the first week of treatment! Patience is key."

There in lies the problem. Journey doesn't have patience for afflicted lead singers.

*ducks flying objects*

[Jeremey fan forever]

rap_still_sucks: Could you please explain your remark: "Andrew's role in Journey's success over the last 10 years"? Seems to me he had nothing to do with them touring and releasing Arrival, Red13 and Generations.

I've been a Journey fan for years and can't imagine that it is to anyone's role other than the members of Journey (all members included) that make them a success or not (albeit management both good and bad).

Of course Andrew has given us great interviews and sound bytes, but to attribute Journey's success to Andrew is a little much, yes????

Peace always..

Andrew played a big part in their success during Augeri's time.

First, Melodic Rock is the only place that has a readership that is even interested in talking to Journey, or even cares about what is happening today with this kind of music.

Second, this website is the only website concerned with Journey that has the latest information on the band, unlike the "official" site. In fact, this site is the only Journey site (meaning the Journey forum, not that this is a Journey site) that the band members themselves pay attention to, and that's because this site has more influence and relevance to Journey.

Third, Melodic Rock has a large readership, and has been extremely kind and supportive of Augeri fronted Journey from the beginning, and certainly played a roll in folks giving Augeri a chance, even though he was only adequate from the beginning.

Fourth, Andrew is personally responsible for introducing Neal and JSS. If that had not happened, and knowing that Augeri was struglling vocally and is now done, where would Journey be?


Is that enough things Andrew has done for Journey's success? Granted, he didn't write the songs for Journey, teach Neal guitar, or organize the tours, but considering Andrew is only in the Media sector of the Melodic Rock business, you have to admit Andrew has done a hell of a lot for them. I doubt it has done much for Andrew, but I think its done a lot for Journey.

[pdsidd]

It's garbage to suggest that Steve Augeri was miming for a year - three rows back during the UK tour I can say categorically he was not miming. Bulls**t.

The guy deserve whatever he gets if they're hanging him out to dry - he's twice the singer JSS is and Journey will be the worse for him not being there.

I'm not an Augeri fan per se, I liked Perry as well but JSS is not good enough and from what I've heard cannot hit the notes like Augeri or Perry did. JRNY need to raise the bar.

As great a frontman that JSS is, he's not enough of a singer in my opinion.

[jrnysc]

It's garbage to suggest that Steve Augeri was miming for a year - three rows back during the UK tour I can say categorically he was not miming. Bulls**t.

The guy deserve whatever he gets if they're hanging him out to dry - he's twice the singer JSS is and Journey will be the worse for him not being there.

I'm not an Augeri fan per se, I liked Perry as well but JSS is not good enough and from what I've heard cannot hit the notes like Augeri or Perry did. JRNY need to raise the bar.

As great a frontman that JSS is, he's not enough of a singer in my opinion.

Saw Journey last week in Columbia. Best concert I have ever seen. Bar none. Jeff can sing these songs with ease, and could have gone another hour easily. Jeff hopefully will get this band the attention they deserve for a change.

[Clasicrockldy]

Oh boy....... here we go again.........

[pdsidd]

It's garbage to suggest that Steve Augeri was miming for a year - three rows back during the UK tour I can say categorically he was not miming. Bulls**t.

The guy deserve whatever he gets if they're hanging him out to dry - he's twice the singer JSS is and Journey will be the worse for him not being there.

I'm not an Augeri fan per se, I liked Perry as well but JSS is not good enough and from what I've heard cannot hit the notes like Augeri or Perry did. JRNY need to raise the bar.

As great a frontman that JSS is, he's not enough of a singer in my opinion.

Saw Journey last week in Columbia. Best concert I have ever seen. Bar none. Jeff can sing these songs with ease, and could have gone another hour easily. Jeff hopefully will get this band the attention they deserve for a change.

Well maybe JSS don't record so well then. Had a bootleg from Atlanta and some of the videos on YouTube (Escape for example) clearly show JSS not being able to hit the high notes, maybe as they're bootlegs they should be discounted - I've seen the "I'll be alright without you" clip and that's great for example but I just don't think he has the range. If I'm proved wrong next March when I see them at Nottingham then so much the better they're a hell of a band and I'd hate there to be a weak link spoiling it so I hope you're right.

[The_Noble_Cause]

It's garbage to suggest that Steve Augeri was miming for a year - three rows back during the UK tour I can say categorically he was not miming. Bulls**t.

Swing by the pub for a couple pints before taking in the show, did ya?

While there is some ambiguity as to when tapes started in '05 (3 shows in? 4 shows in?), there is no doubt concerning the UK tour.
The whole tour was lipped with the rare exception here and there.
30 seconds or so of "Out of Harm's Way" was live, a mid-section of "Faith in the Heartland" was opened up for Steve to address the crowd.
As done in the States, "Loving Touching Squeezing" was the only 100% song of the evening.

A swedish sound tech named Svante heard Augeri's actual vocal feed and it was horrid.
There is even a recording of "Faithfully" from Manchester where the tape stops playing at one minute in and Augeri was left floundering.

The guy deserve whatever he gets if they're hanging him out to dry - he's twice the singer JSS is and Journey will be the worse for him not being there.

Journey couldn't have been in much worse shape prior to JSS swooping in to save the day.

I liked Perry as well but JSS is not good enough and from what I've heard cannot hit the notes like Augeri or Perry did. JRNY need to raise the bar.
As great a frontman that JSS is, he's not enough of a singer in my opinion.

I've listened to some recent recordings.
Not alot, but some.
It sounds to me that Jeff has a better control over his range and over this material than Augeri did even in his prime.