Stupid tape gate discussion

[The Ghost Rider]

It's garbage to suggest that Steve Augeri was miming for a year - three rows back during the UK tour I can say categorically he was not miming. Bulls**t.

The guy deserve whatever he gets if they're hanging him out to dry - he's twice the singer JSS is and Journey will be the worse for him not being there.

I'm not an Augeri fan per se, I liked Perry as well but JSS is not good enough and from what I've heard cannot hit the notes like Augeri or Perry did. JRNY need to raise the bar.

As great a frontman that JSS is, he's not enough of a singer in my opinion.

Damn...that was some funny shit.


You WERE joking...right?

[pdsidd]

It's garbage to suggest that Steve Augeri was miming for a year - three rows back during the UK tour I can say categorically he was not miming. Bulls**t.

Swing by the pub for a couple pints before taking in the show, did ya?

While there is some ambiguity as to when tapes started in '05 (3 shows in? 4 shows in?), there is no doubt concerning the UK tour.
The whole tour was lipped with the rare exception here and there.
30 seconds or so of "Out of Harm's Way" was live, a mid-section of "Faith in the Heartland" was opened up for Steve to address the crowd.
As done in the States, "Loving Touching Squeezing" was the only 100% song of the evening.

A swedish sound tech named Svante heard Augeri's actual vocal feed and it was horrid.
There is even a recording of "Faithfully" from Manchester where the tape stops playing at one minute in and Augeri was left floundering.

The guy deserve whatever he gets if they're hanging him out to dry - he's twice the singer JSS is and Journey will be the worse for him not being there.

Journey couldn't have been in much worse shape prior to JSS swooping in to save the day.

I liked Perry as well but JSS is not good enough and from what I've heard cannot hit the notes like Augeri or Perry did. JRNY need to raise the bar.
As great a frontman that JSS is, he's not enough of a singer in my opinion.

I've listened to some recent recordings.
Not alot, but some.
It sounds to me that Jeff has a better control over his range and over this material than Augeri did even in his prime.

My apologies, the 2001 DVD which must have been used for the Steve's backing track in Glasgow last year must be some Perry tracks then and Steve must be the absolute king of lip-syncing for 2 hours flat must he?? ?? It's strange that none of the folks that I know who got tickets for Manchester mentioned a problem with Faithfully?

But hell, what do I know? I evidentally can't tell what's real and what's memorex from twenty feet?

[The_Noble_Cause]

It's garbage to suggest that Steve Augeri was miming for a year - three rows back during the UK tour I can say categorically he was not miming. Bulls**t.

Than why did the moderator of this forum allow "lip synch" threads to prevail?
As a rule, he closes any threads that are fallacious.
Just look at this one from last week.

http://forums.melodicrock.com/phpBB/vie ... er#3782947

Don't u morons get it yet?

[The_Noble_Cause]

My apologies, the 2001 DVD which must have been used for the Steve's backing track in Glasgow last year must be some Perry tracks then

Why would u say that?

Are you aware that after they got Augeri they re-recorded much of the catalog.
They sent these re-recorded songs to various radio stations, and challenged them to listen to them and come back and say that it didn't sound like Journey.
They have more than just Vegas to work off of.
Dead or Alive, Edge of the Blade, Keep on Running - all of these performed in UK by Augeri were tape.

and Steve must be the absolute king of lip-syncing for 2 hours flat must he?? ??

No, u just have cataracts and corn husks in ur ears.
AR can post more video footage if u like.
It is obvious as fuck.

But hell, what do I know? I evidentally can't tell what's real and what's memorex from twenty feet?

No, u clearly can't.

[SusieP]

[quote="ohsherrie
Whatever statement is made has to put everyone involved in the best possible light. Then afterwards people will be speculating about what really went on just like we have been for years over the Perry situaltion. [/quote]

Isn't Mr Perry on a radio show in a few weeks?
Maybe his latest 'announcement' will be made before the one that's been yellow lighted from the Band.
And maybe his will be as vague as all his others have been lately.
Maybe theirs will be vague too.

I'm getting impatient.
Come on, what's the bloody hold up?
Surely they've had time to compose a paragraph or two by now? Yawn.

[jrnysc]

[quote="ohsherrie
Whatever statement is made has to put everyone involved in the best possible light. Then afterwards people will be speculating about what really went on just like we have been for years over the Perry situaltion.

I'm getting impatient.
Come on, what's the bloody hold up?
Surely they've had time to compose a paragraph or two by now? Yawn.[/quote]

I agree Susie. Very frustrating.

[pdsidd]

My apologies, the 2001 DVD which must have been used for the Steve's backing track in Glasgow last year must be some Perry tracks then

Why would u say that?

Are you aware that after they got Augeri they re-recorded much of the catalog.
They sent these re-recorded songs to various radio stations, and challenged them to listen to them and come back and say that it didn't sound like Journey.
They have more than just Vegas to work off of.
Dead or Alive, Edge of the Blade, Keep on Running - all of these performed in UK by Augeri were tape.

and Steve must be the absolute king of lip-syncing for 2 hours flat must he?? ??

No, u just have cataracts and corn husks in ur ears.
AR can post more video footage if u like.
It is obvious as fuck.

But hell, what do I know? I evidentally can't tell what's real and what's memorex from twenty feet?

No, u clearly can't.

Do you also believe the X-Files is a documentary by any chance??

Or is it your belief that two/three thousand folks in Edinburgh Playhouse couldn't tell the difference??

Do you think you can fool all the people for two hours and no-one will spot it???

I think Steve Augeri is talented but I don't think he's David Blaine? Of course you'll know better and I bow to your superior knowledge.

[Jeremey]

Let me help with the confusion:

Steve Augeri was singing. You just couldn't hear his voice.

[pdsidd]

Let me help with the confusion:

Steve Augeri was singing. You just couldn't hear his voice.

Beg to differ, I could as could the rest of the playhouse. Or were we all stupid??

[Jeremey]

Beg to differ, I could as could the rest of the playhouse. Or were we all stupid??

No no no no no, don't start putting words in my mouth.

Steve Augeri was singing. You did hear his voice. You just heard what of his voice Kevin Elson wanted you to hear.

[pdsidd]

Beg to differ, I could as could the rest of the playhouse. Or were we all stupid??

No no no no no, don't start putting words in my mouth.

Steve Augeri was singing. You did hear his voice. You just heard what of his voice Kevin Elson wanted you to hear.

Right, was this recorded on a grassy knoll in downtown Dallas perchance. I see it now, it's all about triangulation of cross-fire isn't it??? Jeez Louise this makes the backtalk forum look good. See ya.

[joybringer1]

Let me help with the confusion:

Steve Augeri was singing. You just couldn't hear his voice.

Beg to differ, I could as could the rest of the playhouse. Or were we all stupid??

No, we weren't stupid, we were just very cleverly conned (I was at the Playhouse, too). You will remember how good his voice sounded, so much better than any of the earlier boots. He WAS singing, we just weren't hearing what he was singing. The taped vocals were coming out of the speakers. I didn't want to believe it either but I've been hanging round here for a few months now and enough evidence has been provided to completely convince me. I was gutted for weeks when I realised what had been going on.

[Jeremey]

Right, was this recorded on a grassy knoll in downtown Dallas perchance. I see it now, it's all about triangulation of cross-fire isn't it??? Jeez Louise this makes the backtalk forum look good. See ya.

Ahhhhhhhhhh.....Now I get it.

[pdsidd]

Let me help with the confusion:

Steve Augeri was singing. You just couldn't hear his voice.

Beg to differ, I could as could the rest of the playhouse. Or were we all stupid??

No, we weren't stupid, we were just very cleverly conned (I was at the Playhouse, too). You will remember how good his voice sounded, so much better than any of the earlier boots. He WAS singing, we just weren't hearing what he was singing. The taped vocals were coming out of the speakers. I didn't want to believe it either but I've been hanging round here for a few months now and enough evidence has been provided to completely convince me. I was gutted for weeks when I realised what had been going on.

I'm not convinced at this stage - I've seen a lot of Youtube stuff on JSS where you might think it was lipsynced if it weren't for the fact that it was out of tune in places but not seen much Augeri stuff - can you point me to some of the evidence from Glasgow???

[Jeremey]

I'm not convinced at this stage - I've seen a lot of Youtube stuff on JSS where you might think it was lipsynced if it weren't for the fact that it was out of tune in places but not seen much Augeri stuff - can you point me to some of the evidence from Glasgow???

Joy....hope you see where this is going and just let this "newbie" do their own investigating.

[pdsidd]

I'm not convinced at this stage - I've seen a lot of Youtube stuff on JSS where you might think it was lipsynced if it weren't for the fact that it was out of tune in places but not seen much Augeri stuff - can you point me to some of the evidence from Glasgow???

Joy....hope you see where this is going and just let this "newbie" do their own investigating.

Hi, sorry to disappoint been a JRNY fan since Evolution not really a newbie - point me to the evidence and I'm sure I'll be a believer if it's evidence...

[jrnyman28]

Do you think you can fool all the people for two hours and no-one will spot it??.

He didn't and some did.
"The truth is out there"

Maybe it was not the entire show, but it did happen.

[pdsidd]

Do you think you can fool all the people for two hours and no-one will spot it??.

He didn't and some did.
"The truth is out there"

Maybe it was not the entire show, but it did happen.

It was well disguised then, we stayed just off south Bridge Street after the Edinburgh gig and there was a family and two other couples in the bar that night that had been at the show - none of them saw it but hey if some did it must be true. You've convinced me and I'm sure someone will post links to the supporting evidence shortly - will check back tomorrow.

[Jeremey]

I'm not convinced at this stage - I've seen a lot of Youtube stuff on JSS where you might think it was lipsynced if it weren't for the fact that it was out of tune in places but not seen much Augeri stuff - can you point me to some of the evidence from Glasgow???

Joy....hope you see where this is going and just let this "newbie" do their own investigating.

Hi, sorry to disappoint been a JRNY fan since Evolution not really a newbie - point me to the evidence and I'm sure I'll be a believer if it's evidence...

Message board lingo: newbie=8 posts. Way to bait an argument - Not going to bite.

Have a great weekend!

[pdsidd]

I'm not convinced at this stage - I've seen a lot of Youtube stuff on JSS where you might think it was lipsynced if it weren't for the fact that it was out of tune in places but not seen much Augeri stuff - can you point me to some of the evidence from Glasgow???

Joy....hope you see where this is going and just let this "newbie" do their own investigating.

Hi, sorry to disappoint been a JRNY fan since Evolution not really a newbie - point me to the evidence and I'm sure I'll be a believer if it's evidence...

Message board lingo: newbie=8 posts. Way to bait an argument - Not going to bite.

Have a great weekend!

You too, sorry thought you were saying I wasn't a fan.

[roycap]

Why the hell are you all so anxious? You know the scenario: Augeri is out, JSS is in! You think you are ever going to hear the whole truth and nothing but? No way. You will hear a spin that has been agreed upon by both parties. I'm just surprised the negotiations have taken this long. Doesn't the Leppard/Journey tour end in a couple of weeks. Look for an announcement at that time. I'm sure Augeri's contract ends with the official tour.

[EightyRock]

"Why the hell are you all so anxious? You know the scenario: Augeri is out, JSS is in! You think you are ever going to hear the whole truth and nothing but? No way. You will hear a spin that has been agreed upon by both parties. I'm just surprised the negotiations have taken this long. Doesn't the Leppard/Journey tour end in a couple of weeks. Look for an announcement at that time. I'm sure Augeri's contract ends with the official tour."

BINGO!!!

[pdsidd]

Why the hell are you all so anxious? You know the scenario: Augeri is out, JSS is in! You think you are ever going to hear the whole truth and nothing but? No way. You will hear a spin that has been agreed upon by both parties. I'm just surprised the negotiations have taken this long. Doesn't the Leppard/Journey tour end in a couple of weeks. Look for an announcement at that time. I'm sure Augeri's contract ends with the official tour.

Yes, you're probably right. I'm sure Augeri always been on a rolling contract these 8 years or so? Let's wait and see what comes out.

[tammy]

Do you think you can fool all the people for two hours and no-one will spot it??.

He didn't and some did.
"The truth is out there"

Maybe it was not the entire show, but it did happen.

It was well disguised then, we stayed just off south Bridge Street after the Edinburgh gig and there was a family and two other couples in the bar that night that had been at the show - none of them saw it but hey if some did it must be true. You've convinced me and I'm sure someone will post links to the supporting evidence shortly - will check back tomorrow.

pdsidd, many of us were sceptical...at first. But, the evidence was presented here & many music professionals, including Jeremey, gave extensive explanations - such as how these boots could not have been manipulated by any one other than a person who had access to the masters (I hope I described that right). Personally, I had no dislike of SA (and I still don't) - but, I disliked being conned. Before the "lipsynch - tapegate" came out, I had thought it was rather odd that SA's voice was so rough one night at a concert on some songs & fine on others & then I thought to myself how strange that the PA was playing "Beyond the Clouds" as we were exiting the Greek & it sounded as clear as when SA was up on stage singing with all the audience yelling up front...how did his voice come across without the audience noise? Only after I heard about the "rumors" and listened to the evidence & compared that I came to my conclusion - that yes, I believe the mic was turned off on stage & tapes were coming across thru the PA.
I also think the eyewitness of Svante, the journalist in Sweden was entirely credible.
Believe me, we would all love to know "the truth" but if the band & SA & mgt do not give it to us then we are left to our own conclusions.

[pdsidd]

Do you think you can fool all the people for two hours and no-one will spot it??.

He didn't and some did.
"The truth is out there"

Maybe it was not the entire show, but it did happen.

It was well disguised then, we stayed just off south Bridge Street after the Edinburgh gig and there was a family and two other couples in the bar that night that had been at the show - none of them saw it but hey if some did it must be true. You've convinced me and I'm sure someone will post links to the supporting evidence shortly - will check back tomorrow.

pdsidd, many of us were sceptical...at first. But, the evidence was presented here & many music professionals, including Jeremey, gave extensive explanations - such as how these boots could not have been manipulated by any one other than a person who had access to the masters (I hope I described that right). Personally, I had no dislike of SA (and I still don't) - but, I disliked being conned. Before the "lipsynch - tapegate" came out, I had thought it was rather odd that SA's voice was so rough one night at a concert on some songs & fine on others & then I thought to myself how strange that the PA was playing "Beyond the Clouds" as we were exiting the Greek & it sounded as clear as when SA was up on stage singing with all the audience yelling up front...how did his voice come across without the audience noise? Only after I heard about the "rumors" and listened to the evidence & compared that I came to my conclusion - that yes, I believe the mic was turned off on stage & tapes were coming across thru the PA.
I also think the eyewitness of Svante, the journalist in Sweden was entirely credible.
Believe me, we would all love to know "the truth" but if the band & SA & mgt do not give it to us then we are left to our own conclusions.

I'd love to know the truth too, but the Edinburgh gig in June was the best concert I've ever been to and that's not just because of Steve A, it was a collective thing. The rumours of lip-syncing tarnish the memory for me of what was a great gig and there was nothing to suggest anything but a complete band performance. Obviously things went awry when the band got back to the states or they wouldn't have brought in JSS but I find it hard to believe that people wouldn't pick up on the vocalist miming in Edinburgh? It just pushes credibility too far? I don't know Svante from Adam but I've already seen him described as a sound engineer and a journalist - which is he? and I'm sure he's a good source but as a manager I wouldn't take someone into a disciplinary meeting without evidence - hearsay is worth nothing, evidence is everything and that's all I'm asking for. Point me to a video that has no crowd noise where there should be crowd noise or whatever and I'm a believer but when push comes to shove you believe your own eyes and ears and I was in Edinburgh and if Steve was miming he was absolute perfection at it because I couldn't tell he was doing it.

Like you say we may never know the truth but I'd hate to see a great singer's reputation ruined without good cause. I'm just like that.

[bluejeangirl76]

jesus h christ on a cracker, the dude hasn't even been with the band since July and you all are still fighting over this? Tape schmape...it's over and done with.

I guess we'll know when JSS is the official lead singer because that's when all the shit will start being slung in his name?

[jrnysc]

Why the hell are you all so anxious? You know the scenario: Augeri is out, JSS is in! You think you are ever going to hear the whole truth and nothing but? No way. You will hear a spin that has been agreed upon by both parties. I'm just surprised the negotiations have taken this long. Doesn't the Leppard/Journey tour end in a couple of weeks. Look for an announcement at that time. I'm sure Augeri's contract ends with the official tour.

I want to see the interviews Andrew worked so hard on. Simple as that.

[pdsidd]

jesus h christ on a cracker, the dude hasn't even been with the band since July and you all are still fighting over this? Tape schmape...it's over and done with.

I guess we'll know when JSS is the official lead singer because that's when all the shit will start being slung in his name?

jesus j christ on a cracker! Like it!!

You're right, let's see what comes of it all. Just hope it's a better vocalist than JSS but if it's JSS so be it.

[Jeremey fan forever]

Stop hijacking the thread! This is not about tape gate. It's about Andrew being unable to release his interviews when he said he would, and possibly (by implication) the delay of an "official" announcement. Go start your own thread if you want to discuss tape gate again.

[pdsidd]

Stop hijacking the thread! This is not about tape gate. It's about Andrew being unable to release his interviews when he said he would, and possibly (by implication) the delay of an "official" announcement. Go start your own thread if you want to discuss tape gate again.

Apologies, couldn't agree more let's see what the announcement is.