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[Monker]

Ok, time to get on the merr-go-round...

What happened in that "Where's the love?" thread just makes me laugh. You guys TOTALY ignored the point...so I'm going to rephrase it my way.

During this ENTIRE tour, Journey has all but ignored the ILAA after concert events. That's a fact, whether you want to admit it or not. During this ENTIRE tour, Journey has all but ignored any fan gatherings and it seems they always have an open invitation to attend. That's also a fact, whether you want to admit it or not.

So, if you are a fan who paid 5-10 times the ticket price for ILAA, the band ignored you. If you are a fan who put together an after show gathering, the band ignored you. As I have said for a while now. the band is about making money - not about the fans any longer. The above is all evidence of it...whether you want to admit it or not. The band is very happy to take your money, but very reluctant to give you any attention.

So, now we come to this latest party with JSS and Ross. I HIGHLY doubt that these people bought a ILAA pass, LOL - too funny. It seems for whatever reason, this party was just a bit more irresistable then the others on the tour that they passed on. Maybe it was the people involved, maybe it was the timing, maybe it was the location. Who cares what it was?

The bottom line is: If I had bought an ILAA pass, I'd be pissed. If I had put together an after show party, I'd be pissed. Not out of 'jealousy', or envy, or whatever...but because this band ignores the fans who have over and over again showed the love and have put out HUNDREDS of dollars per tour on passes, or thrown put together the same type of parties in their honor. Instead they spend their time with those who continously bash, insult, threaten, wished they would die, etc...their actions simply adds injury to the insults.

It's throwing salt in a wound...and it makes it obvious that this band has very little love to give back to their fans. They put little or no effort in it when it counts.

Now, before all of the "jealousy" comments come...LOL...that's not even CLOSE to the truth. I have NO desire to go to a party like this....no matter who shows up, or who put it together - for some of these very reasons. I also have no desire to buy ILAA passes - because I could see from the start that it was all about the money - and not REALLY about the fans.

So, jealousy has NOTHING to do with it in my case. I can just see it from the perspective of those slighted fans. It's too bad others here can't...and it's too bad the band refuses to.

[Natalie]

This has nothing to do with ILAA or how much money fans spent on tickets. This has to do with what the band decides to do on their personal time. If they decide to hang out with some of the coolest people on earth then so be it! It is their decision! Most of the band members did not come to the party and that is just fine, it was their choice, just like it was JSS and Ross's choice to come to the party! We all had a great time and all you jealous people just need to lay off!!!!!!!!!!!! It's none of your business which parties the band decides to attend or not attend!

[fred_journeyman]

...During this ENTIRE tour, Journey has all but ignored the ILAA after concert events...

I agree with your premise (I've never been one to attend parties and drink 'til I fall down anyway, so that wouldn't matter to me).

Sadly, I agree that the band is all about making money now. I'm holding out hope that they WILL produce a new CD and PLAY at least some of it in concert (that's a disclaimer for anyone who thinks I've given up on the band, not necessarily a repetitive statement simply to repeat myself).

That said, even if Journey were to produce new music and begin playing it in concert, the glory days are long gone...and the band knows it. They are out earning their bread, making a living.

If I had been one of those who had purchased the ILAA and WAS ignored, that would not only say a lot, but I would be finding a way to demand my money back.

Oh, by the way Monker, you already realize this I'm sure...there will be those who come into this thread and swear at you, complain about you and all the rest simply because YOU posted it. It's too bad they don't spend the time actually reading for meaning, but oh well.

[fred_journeyman]

This has nothing to do with ILAA or how much money fans spent on tickets. This has to do with what the band decides to do on their personal time. If they decide to hang out with some of the coolest people on earth then so be it! It is their decision! Most of the band members did not come to the party and that is just fine, it was their choice, just like it was JSS and Ross's choice to come to the party! We all had a great time and all you jealous people just need to lay off!!!!!!!!!!!! It's none of your business which parties the band decides to attend or not attend!

I think one of Monker's points was simple - if a fan is paying an arm and leg for the ILAA, they are being ignored. He was not referring to this one specific party and making a sweeping generalization. He was referring to an OVERALL picture and coming to a reasonable and logical conclusion. Maybe you should go back and re-read his statements before you come unglued. Just a suggestion.

[Natalie]

OK, I really know nothing about the inner workings of ILAA, but here is my thought...How much do you really think the band benefits from the extra money that the ILAA tickets cost? Is it Journey making the extra money? or is it ILAA?? I am sure that Journey probably gets a little more for each ticket sold, but I would think that ILAA benefits from it far more than Neal Schonn!!!

Just a thought!

[Monker]

This has nothing to do with ILAA or how much money fans spent on tickets. This has to do with what the band decides to do on their personal time. If they decide to hang out with some of the coolest people on earth then so be it! It is their decision! Most of the band members did not come to the party and that is just fine, it was their choice, just like it was JSS and Ross's choice to come to the party! We all had a great time and all you jealous people just need to lay off!!!!!!!!!!!! It's none of your business which parties the band decides to attend or not attend!

Choices have consequences. When you choose to ignore the loved of thousands of fans who paid hundres of dollars for ILAA or after concert events...and then choose to honor those who insult and wish death on those fans, then the consequence you pay is to piss off a lot of people.

It may not be about ILAA *TO YOU*...but I can see why it is for others. Too bad you, and the band, refuse to.

And, I'm not jealous. Explain to me what there is for me to be jealous about? If it is not 'my business', then why are you guys going on about it on a public forum? Is it so important to have this holier then thou attitude?

[fred_journeyman]

OK, I really know nothing about the inner workings of ILAA, but here is my thought...How much do you really think the band benefits from the extra money that the ILAA tickets cost? Is it Journey making the extra money? or is it ILAA?? I am sure that Journey probably gets a little more for each ticket sold, but I would think that ILAA benefits from it far more than Neal Schonn!!!

Just a thought!

Again, and Monker can tell me if I'm not understanding his point correctly, but it seems to me that his point is simply this - it is the FAN that is paying out the whazoo for the chance to meet and greet the band. Time and time again, they are being ignored. While the band might not make a great deal of money from these times, it SAYS a lot about what the band thinks of fans in general.

[MCC620]

Ok, time to get on the merr-go-round...

What happened in that "Where's the love?" thread just makes me laugh. You guys TOTALY ignored the point...so I'm going to rephrase it my way.

During this ENTIRE tour, Journey has all but ignored the ILAA after concert events. That's a fact, whether you want to admit it or not. During this ENTIRE tour, Journey has all but ignored any fan gatherings and it seems they always have an open invitation to attend. That's also a fact, whether you want to admit it or not.

So, if you are a fan who paid 5-10 times the ticket price for ILAA, the band ignored you. If you are a fan who put together an after show gathering, the band ignored you. As I have said for a while now. the band is about making money - not about the fans any longer. The above is all evidence of it...whether you want to admit it or not. The band is very happy to take your money, but very reluctant to give you any attention.

So, now we come to this latest party with JSS and Ross. I HIGHLY doubt that these people bought a ILAA pass, LOL - too funny. It seems for whatever reason, this party was just a bit more irresistable then the others on the tour that they passed on. Maybe it was the people involved, maybe it was the timing, maybe it was the location. Who cares what it was?

The bottom line is: If I had bought an ILAA pass, I'd be pissed. If I had put together an after show party, I'd be pissed. Not out of 'jealousy', or envy, or whatever...but because this band ignores the fans who have over and over again showed the love and have put out HUNDREDS of dollars per tour on passes, or thrown put together the same type of parties in their honor. Instead they spend their time with those who continously bash, insult, threaten, wished they would die, etc...their actions simply adds injury to the insults.

It's throwing salt in a wound...and it makes it obvious that this band has very little love to give back to their fans. They put little or no effort in it when it counts.

Now, before all of the "jealousy" comments come...LOL...that's not even CLOSE to the truth. I have NO desire to go to a party like this....no matter who shows up, or who put it together - for some of these very reasons. I also have no desire to buy ILAA passes - because I could see from the start that it was all about the money - and not REALLY about the fans.

So, jealousy has NOTHING to do with it in my case. I can just see it from the perspective of those slighted fans. It's too bad others here can't...and it's too bad the band refuses to.

Bravo Monker. That was my point but you put it so much more eloquently. Someone said to me that the band was invited to AR's party, well they wouldn't have needed an invite to the pre-show Party at The Baltimore Hard Rock since it was posted on Dixie Highway, their Official Site Forum. They could have just been the good guys and "shown the love" to the fans gathered there. Thus making the comment that this is about the band and their personal time ridiculous.

Jealous not in the slightest, I have met the band. At 41 I have no desire to hang out and party and get drunk with the band. And it just amazes me that so many people regard that as the big score in their lives. So sad.

[fred_journeyman]

...At 41 I have no desire to hang out and party and get drunk with the band. And it just amazes me that so many people regard that as the big score in their lives. So sad.

It IS interesting, isn't it?

[Monker]

OK, I really know nothing about the inner workings of ILAA, but here is my thought...How much do you really think the band benefits from the extra money that the ILAA tickets cost? Is it Journey making the extra money? or is it ILAA?? I am sure that Journey probably gets a little more for each ticket sold, but I would think that ILAA benefits from it far more than Neal Schonn!!!

Just a thought!

Oh, please, don't be so naive. If ILAA is going most of the cut of the difference between a $75 ticket and a $750 ticket...then not only are the fans being ripped off, but so is Journey.

[Crazie Scarab]

This couldn't be the only private event a couple of members of the band attended all this tour? Tell me it ain't so! Did they avoid all ILAA M&G's? Majority? Some? A couple? If they missed the majority of ILAA event M&G's, then I agree. That is just wrong!

[Monker]

OK, I really know nothing about the inner workings of ILAA, but here is my thought...How much do you really think the band benefits from the extra money that the ILAA tickets cost? Is it Journey making the extra money? or is it ILAA?? I am sure that Journey probably gets a little more for each ticket sold, but I would think that ILAA benefits from it far more than Neal Schonn!!!

Just a thought!

Again, and Monker can tell me if I'm not understanding his point correctly, but it seems to me that his point is simply this - it is the FAN that is paying out the whazoo for the chance to meet and greet the band. Time and time again, they are being ignored. While the band might not make a great deal of money from these times, it SAYS a lot about what the band thinks of fans in general.

EXACTLY. I *NEVER* believed ILAA was set up for the fans either...But, what you said above is my point in that first post.

[Natalie]

Monker, if you are not jealous, then why waste your time with this thread? Do you really think that any one of the band wants to hang out with you???????????

[Clasicrockldy]

I think I was told, or read somewhere that ILAA packages doesn't guarantee that you will meet the band. I know there is a party, you get food, some Journey goodies, but meeting the band isn't guaranteed. Someone correct me if I am wrong about this, or at least point me in the direction of where it says ILAA DOES guarantee the band will be there.

[whocares]

From all I've ever read about ILAA, it doesn't say anywhere, that you are guaranteed to meet the band. Anyone who buys the tickets and expects to meet ANY band member, (based on a possibility), deserves to be let down if they don't actually show up for a meet and greet. You probably have a better chance to meet one of the guys at the local piggly-wiggly, than at a as actual concert. It's a waste of money to me, I have no desire to spend (waste) that kind of money for a possibility.

What I find funny is that there are people who ONLY buy ILAA tickets, then act like they are not able to feed their families or buy new clothes for their children or something.

I think it says more that a few of the guys showed up for a private party at someone's house.

[Crazie Scarab]

Monker, if you are not jealous, then why waste your time with this thread? Do you really think that any one of the band wants to hang out with you???????????

You need to understand what he's talking about. If people paid extra $ for ILAA with the expectation that there'll be M&G with the band and the band never showed, or didn't show at least the majority of the time, then that is wrong! It has nothing to do with Monker. Monker's just pointing it out.

Now, I will admit I don't know what the stats are on band attendance for these M&G's, though.

[Monker]

Monker, if you are not jealous, then why waste your time with this thread? Do you really think that any one of the band wants to hang out with you???????????

LOL...have I not specificaly said in another thread that even if JSS personaly invited me backstage that I wouldn't go? Not because I have anything personal against him, or any other past or present member of Journey, but because being too close to the music I love can very easily taint it...This is a very good example.

[Clasicrockldy]

From all I've ever read about ILAA, it doesn't say anywhere, that you are guaranteed to meet the band. Anyone who buys the tickets and expects to meet ANY band member, (based on a possibility), deserves to be let down if they don't actually show up for a meet and greet. You probably have a better chance to meet one of the guys at the local piggly-wiggly, than at a as actual concert. It's a waste of money to me, I have no desire to spend (waste) that kind of money for a possibility.

What I find funny is that there are people who ONLY buy ILAA tickets, then act like they are not able to feed their families or buy new clothes for their children or something.

I think it says more that a few of the guys showed up for a private party at someone's house.

Thank you, who. I thought I was right about that ILAA doesn't guarantee that you get to meet the band.

[MCC620]

I think I was told, or read somewhere that ILAA packages doesn't guarantee that you will meet the band. I know there is a party, you get food, some Journey goodies, but meeting the band isn't guaranteed. Someone correct me if I am wrong about this, or at least point me in the direction of where it says ILAA DOES guarantee the band will be there.

No they do not guarantee a band meet and greet. And they did show up to quite a few ILAA's during this tour. But you are missing the point. As I said, if they wanted to show the love to the fans, all the fans, they could have gone to the Hard Rock pre show gathering just as easily as they went to AR's house. It was posted with details on their site forum. They could have gone to both. Even if for a brief few moments. There wasn't hundreds of people at the Hard Rock, maybe about 28. Bottom line BT fans do not count to the band. And alot of the posters here continue to denigrate and make fun of the Bt'ers. Ar and Lula had a cute little exchange in the Baltimore thread on BT clearly making fun of the Hard Rock gathering.

Again, its sad that the big score in so many lives is doing shots of Grey Goose with Jeff and Neal.

[Crazie Scarab]

From all I've ever read about ILAA, it doesn't say anywhere, that you are guaranteed to meet the band. Anyone who buys the tickets and expects to meet ANY band member, (based on a possibility), deserves to be let down if they don't actually show up for a meet and greet. You probably have a better chance to meet one of the guys at the local piggly-wiggly, than at a as actual concert. It's a waste of money to me, I have no desire to spend (waste) that kind of money for a possibility.

What I find funny is that there are people who ONLY buy ILAA tickets, then act like they are not able to feed their families or buy new clothes for their children or something.

I think it says more that a few of the guys showed up for a private party at someone's house.

Thank you, who. I thought I was right about that ILAA doesn't guarantee that you get to meet the band.

Even so, if there is that "possiblilty" of meeting the band, and the band never shows, that is a rip-off in my book. Especially for those $$. I think that's part of what Monker is trying to say.

[AR]

[MCC620]

I wouldn't expect any less from you AR. You have made Deano proud once again.

[Monker]

From all I've ever read about ILAA, it doesn't say anywhere, that you are guaranteed to meet the band.

LOL...you're missing the point.

The BAND chooses not to attend. I bet if you counted the number of times a member of Journey showed during this tour that you could count them on ONE HAND.

Basicaly, you are making my point for me...the band would rather hang out with those who have an expressed hatred of other Journey fans then those who have shown the love. It's THEIR choice.

[fred_journeyman]

I think I was told, or read somewhere that ILAA packages doesn't guarantee that you will meet the band. I know there is a party, you get food, some Journey goodies, but meeting the band isn't guaranteed. Someone correct me if I am wrong about this, or at least point me in the direction of where it says ILAA DOES guarantee the band will be there.

It would be legal suicide for the band to make it CERTAIN that you would meet them and then not show up. There is ALWAYS a legal loophole allowing the band to NOT have to be there for the ILAAs. That's normal and proper. However, again I think Monker's point is THIS: that the band's absence at these events OVER and OVER again says that the band probably had little to no intention of BEING there at any of them. As far as I can tell, Monker's points have nothing to do with jealousy, or an ignorance of a legally binding contract. It's as you said - the purchase of ILAA packages does NOT guarantee anything. However, if you look at the TRACK RECORD of the ILAA packages and continued absence of the band, that SAYS something.

[fred_journeyman]

...Even so, if there is that "possiblilty" of meeting the band, and the band never shows, that is a rip-off in my book. Especially for those $$. I think that's part of what Monker is trying to say.

Good, I'm not crazy (no pun intended) because someone else gets it too!

[AR]

Fuckstains, Journey makes more ILAA events than most bands.

For the record, they did meet and greats in AC and Boston and there was an official one in Baltimore too. The asswipes running the 1st Mariner Arena messed it up though. Jeff And Deen were there.

Now blow me.

[Natalie]

Monker, where the hell do you get your info?? I have done ILAA twice this year and both times the majority of the band has been there. If you look at the pics on the ILAA site you will see that the band is at the majority of the events.

I feel very sorry for you Monker, you must lead such a sad and angry life to spend so much time and energy trying to convince people that you are worth listening to when you really have nothing to say!

I'm done here!

[Monker]

Even so, if there is that "possiblilty" of meeting the band, and the band never shows, that is a rip-off in my book. Especially for those $$. I think that's part of what Monker is trying to say.

EXACTLY...you are basicaly paying ILAA and Journey for good seats, instead of scalpers. That is all ILAA is for now.

[Crazie Scarab]

From all I've ever read about ILAA, it doesn't say anywhere, that you are guaranteed to meet the band.

LOL...you're missing the point.

The BAND chooses not to attend. I bet if you counted the number of times a member of Journey showed during this tour that you could count them on ONE HAND.

Basicaly, you are making my point for me...the band would rather hang out with those who have an expressed hatred of other Journey fans then those who have shown the love. It's THEIR choice.

It would be nice to know the true stats on ILAA M&G attendance... Anybody have that info?

[treetopovskaya]

From all I've ever read about ILAA, it doesn't say anywhere, that you are guaranteed to meet the band. Anyone who buys the tickets and expects to meet ANY band member, (based on a possibility), deserves to be let down if they don't actually show up for a meet and greet. You probably have a better chance to meet one of the guys at the local piggly-wiggly, than at a as actual concert. It's a waste of money to me, I have no desire to spend (waste) that kind of money for a possibility.

What I find funny is that there are people who ONLY buy ILAA tickets, then act like they are not able to feed their families or buy new clothes for their children or something.

I think it says more that a few of the guys showed up for a private party at someone's house.

i call them journey snotholes. };C)) i remember when we were buying our tickets for the irvine show people were snubbing their noses at loge. i really didn't care were we sat... i could have been the last person on the lawn & i would have been happy! i just wanted to hear jss sing live... though being able to actually see him was nice! }=C))

the seats we had at the bowl were REALLY good so i might be converting to snotholiness! hehehee!