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[ohsherrie]

I understand what Monker's saying and why, and I understand why some of the ILAA fans feel the way they do about this. However, I think the people who are annoyed with the guys for attending this party are doing themselves, the band, and the people at this party an injustice by comparing it to an ILAA event. As Saint John and NIG said, this party wasn't a PR requirement, it was just a chance for the guys to hang out with some people for a while in a relaxed, social atmosphere rather than being fawned over. It's a whole different thing.

[Clasicrockldy]

There are some other people besides Monker who didn't like what happened. But oh well, it still comes down to the band members decision on where they wanted to be.

Leave me out of that group, please. I never said I didn't like what happened. In fact, I agree with you that they are (as should be) free to do whatever they want. In fact, I'm happy for everybody that showed up for and had a great time at Ed's house.

I just hope all this doesn't end up keeping the guys from going to future private events. That's all it's going to accomplish if we keep on going on about it. I think it would be a great idea if everyone just dropped this right now, if not just that reason alone.

No, Crazie, I didn't mean that you were in the group. I was thinking of Maria and Fyre. Sorry about that. I should of clarified that.

[MCC620]

now maybe you realize why the band members don't post on their own site anymore. People just want to bitch and moan like the members OWE them some personal interaction, which by the way they don't.

I have always understood that they don't post much because Neal got into an argument with a fan a while back. I really don't care if they post on there or not. But please don't hand me the bullshit line that they care about their fan base. They don't.

Perfect example is that some Journey fans I know joined Def's fan club and bought 2nd and 3rd row seats for face value threough Def's pre sale. That to me shows alot more appreciation than showing up at any pre-show or private party.

Give it time, this too will pass.


And I'm not comparing it to an ILAA event. I'm the one that has said that the band showed up at most of them this tour.

[whocares]

I never said they care about the fans, but I didn't say they don't either. You're making too much of this, like many others are. (maybe me included). I'm just saying don't expect much from people and you'll never be disappointed in them.

[Crazie Scarab]

There are some other people besides Monker who didn't like what happened. But oh well, it still comes down to the band members decision on where they wanted to be.

Leave me out of that group, please. I never said I didn't like what happened. In fact, I agree with you that they are (as should be) free to do whatever they want. In fact, I'm happy for everybody that showed up for and had a great time at Ed's house.

I just hope all this doesn't end up keeping the guys from going to future private events. That's all it's going to accomplish if we keep on going on about it. I think it would be a great idea if everyone just dropped this right now, if not just that reason alone.

No, Crazie, I didn't mean that you were in the group. I was thinking of Maria and Fyre. Sorry about that. I should of clarified that.

No problem. I just wanted to set the record straight.

[Clasicrockldy]

Well said, NT !

What also I think is going on here is the fact that there was another pre-party going on, in which the band members were invited to. I believe the beef here is that two of the members decided on AR's party and not theirs. Where the other three members were at, I don't know. I guess the others didn't show up at theirs either.

Just to clarify for you. The two parties were not at the same time. The BT gathering was on Friday before the show. My point was that they did not require an invite to that because it was posted on their official Dixie Highway Forum. And they could have just as easily gone to that on Friday.

You don't want to see the point that I am trying to make. Fine, I'll leave you to your happy place once again.

you should be pissed at the band members, not the forum members here then. Go rattle off a few emails telling the boys how you feel for being slighted. It'll probably go over as well with them as it will here.

I am pissed at the band members. Not mad at the forum members who at least responded in a mature reasonble way to me, without having to make a childish remark or post an even more childish poicture. And I posted my question on BT and to the mods there. Got it covered thanks.

And there isn't a thread with your question either there at BT.

[MCC620]

Well said, NT !

What also I think is going on here is the fact that there was another pre-party going on, in which the band members were invited to. I believe the beef here is that two of the members decided on AR's party and not theirs. Where the other three members were at, I don't know. I guess the others didn't show up at theirs either.

Just to clarify for you. The two parties were not at the same time. The BT gathering was on Friday before the show. My point was that they did not require an invite to that because it was posted on their official Dixie Highway Forum. And they could have just as easily gone to that on Friday.

You don't want to see the point that I am trying to make. Fine, I'll leave you to your happy place once again.

you should be pissed at the band members, not the forum members here then. Go rattle off a few emails telling the boys how you feel for being slighted. It'll probably go over as well with them as it will here.

I am pissed at the band members. Not mad at the forum members who at least responded in a mature reasonble way to me, without having to make a childish remark or post an even more childish poicture. And I posted my question on BT and to the mods there. Got it covered thanks.

And there isn't a thread with your question either there at BT.

I know and expected it. But see it didn't stop me from doing it and I know a few people saw it. Ask Carlitto about me. My rose-colored glasses have been off for a while.

[Adikeo]

I too, understand what Monker is saying. He has some valid points since apparently in the minds of quite a few fans, it is at least implied that the purchase of an ILAA ticket carries with it the possibility of meeting the band. However, I also agree with the post that stated JSS and Ross showed up at this party on their time off to spend time with friends as well as a few fans sans the pressure that usually accompanies pre-show and post-show parties put on by fans. Both posters have valid points. I do think it does at least have the appearance that Journey cares less about many of the fans and more about the money. But, it is a job and that's what a job is about...making money. It's a tough balance to strike...can't please all the people all the time.

[Natalie]

OK, another thought. ( I am on fire today. Haha) BT had their party at the Hard Rock Cafe on Friday, I don't know what time but I am assuming it was within a few hours of the start of the show. Let's think about this, the guys are probably very busy in the hours prior to a show, they probably didn't have time to go to the BT party. There, now everyone is happy, let's just all go on believing that they all really wanted to go to the BP preparty and were heartbroken that they couldn't because they were too busy with little details like sound check!!

[ohsherrie]

I'm not saying that Journey isn't ultimately all about the money. I think it has been that for several years now. Using that as a reason in this arguement just doesn't work though. If the ILAA party was the one that brought the band the most ticket revenue, then it stands to reason that they would have gone there if it was all about the money. In this instance they chose the fans rather than the money.

[fred_journeyman]

It is amazing to me how something Monker said can be so misconstrued...just because Monker said it.

1) The Band members can go to any party they want to...or NOT. It's their choice.
2) If a fan is going to purchase a ILAA package, the chances should be better than 90% that the band WILL attend and the fan will get to see them, not the other way around.
3) I could care less about the party in Baltimore, where the band showed up and people got drunk off their rear ends. I sowed some of those wild oats a long time ago and have no need to revisit it.

Monker, you might want to consider posting under a fake name so that at least people will take your posts at face value, instead of immediately coming to conclusions that they have little or no bearing on the accuracy of the posts themselves, because Monker posted it. I find it funny that the people who constantly cry about freedom of speech want nothing more than to take yours away.

Keep on postin' Monker. I'm reading them and I get them as well. Thanks for at least trying to balance the scales over here.

[fred_journeyman]

...don't expect much from people and you'll never be disappointed in them.

When someone PAYS an additional FEE for something, then there is an elevated expectation and there is NOTHING wrong with that. In fact, most of us EXPECT to receive something in return for payment. To have a larger % of meet and greets NOT happen is wrong.

[Saint John]

It is amazing to me how something Monker said can be so misconstrued...just because Monker said it.

1) The Band members can go to any party they want to...or NOT. It's their choice.
2) If a fan is going to purchase a ILAA package, the chances should be better than 90% that the band WILL attend and the fan will get to see them, not the other way around.
3) I could care less about the party in Baltimore, where the band showed up and people got drunk off their rear ends. I sowed some of those wild oats a long time ago and have no need to revisit it.

Monker, you might want to consider posting under a fake name so that at least people will take your posts at face value, instead of immediately coming to conclusions that they have little or no bearing on the accuracy of the posts themselves, because Monker posted it. I find it funny that the people who constantly cry about freedom of speech want nothing more than to take yours away.

Keep on postin' Monker. I'm reading them and I get them as well. Thanks for at least trying to balance the scales over here.

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NOWHERE are you guaranteed to meet your favorite artist(s). Furthermore, it doesn't mention or insinuate that "chances should be better than 90% that the band WILL attend and the fan will get to see them." YOU made that up. That seems to be YOUR rule, not ILAA's. When you fabricate facts to support your argument because you don't have a leg to stand on, it really ruins your credibility. Like Monker, you seem to have an axe to grind.

[RossValoryRocks]

Ok, time to get on the merr-go-round...

What happened in that "Where's the love?" thread just makes me laugh. You guys TOTALY ignored the point...so I'm going to rephrase it my way.

During this ENTIRE tour, Journey has all but ignored the ILAA after concert events. That's a fact, whether you want to admit it or not. During this ENTIRE tour, Journey has all but ignored any fan gatherings and it seems they always have an open invitation to attend. That's also a fact, whether you want to admit it or not.

So, if you are a fan who paid 5-10 times the ticket price for ILAA, the band ignored you. If you are a fan who put together an after show gathering, the band ignored you. As I have said for a while now. the band is about making money - not about the fans any longer. The above is all evidence of it...whether you want to admit it or not. The band is very happy to take your money, but very reluctant to give you any attention.

So, now we come to this latest party with JSS and Ross. I HIGHLY doubt that these people bought a ILAA pass, LOL - too funny. It seems for whatever reason, this party was just a bit more irresistable then the others on the tour that they passed on. Maybe it was the people involved, maybe it was the timing, maybe it was the location. Who cares what it was?

The bottom line is: If I had bought an ILAA pass, I'd be pissed. If I had put together an after show party, I'd be pissed. Not out of 'jealousy', or envy, or whatever...but because this band ignores the fans who have over and over again showed the love and have put out HUNDREDS of dollars per tour on passes, or thrown put together the same type of parties in their honor. Instead they spend their time with those who continously bash, insult, threaten, wished they would die, etc...their actions simply adds injury to the insults.

It's throwing salt in a wound...and it makes it obvious that this band has very little love to give back to their fans. They put little or no effort in it when it counts.

Now, before all of the "jealousy" comments come...LOL...that's not even CLOSE to the truth. I have NO desire to go to a party like this....no matter who shows up, or who put it together - for some of these very reasons. I also have no desire to buy ILAA passes - because I could see from the start that it was all about the money - and not REALLY about the fans.

So, jealousy has NOTHING to do with it in my case. I can just see it from the perspective of those slighted fans. It's too bad others here can't...and it's too bad the band refuses to.

Ok Monker, I usually don't go back and forth with you but this time I will.

Journey IS a business, so they SHOULD be about making money, everything else comes second. PERIOD. I will give you an example. The NFL. Not many players go to any kind of fan interaction event. I am sure they go to place their friends are. JSS and Deano have struck up something of an understanding, so if Jeff decides to attend a party on an invite from Deano, who are you or anyone else to judge? If Ross choses to go a party, on his own time, that is his business, and NONE of yours or anyone elses.

The ILAA thing, well the bands give good seats. Most of the people who bought ILAA would have paid a ticket broker lots of money anyways for 1st and 2nd row so the bands are just cutting out the middle man. Plus the people get a chance to meet the some of the band members, get a meal and early access to the venue. That seems fair to me.

The people who don't like it need to just relax and realize that the band members on their days off are just looking to blow off some steam and have a little fun and relaxation. If they do so by going to a party, thrown by fans or not, then so be it.

[Adikeo]

that line "unprecedented access to your favorite artists" while not a guarantee, certainly implies the opportunity to meet the artist(s).

[AR]

could care less about the party in Baltimore, where the band showed up and people got drunk off their rear ends. I sowed some of those wild oats a long time ago and have no need to revisit it.

And we should give a shit why? Drop your superiority complex Fred. I was starting to actually like you. Maybe some of us just enjoy life in different ways?

Do some of you work for ILAA? Do you think Journey is the only band that is involved with them. And just an FYI, a few of our guests had ILAA and had no problem with the fact that we had our little bash.

[Saint John]

that line "unprecedented access to your favorite artists" while not a guarantee, certainly implies the opportunity to meet the artist(s).

Which most of the time IS the case. So what's your point?

[RossValoryRocks]

...don't expect much from people and you'll never be disappointed in them.

When someone PAYS an additional FEE for something, then there is an elevated expectation and there is NOTHING wrong with that. In fact, most of us EXPECT to receive something in return for payment. To have a larger % of meet and greets NOT happen is wrong.

They get 1st, 2nd and 3rd row tickets...that should be the primary expectation they are paying for. A ticket in the first 3 rows at these shows have been going for 300+ on ebay. Plus they get dinner (of a sort) and a "CHANCE" to meet the band members. That is what they are paying for.

[Adikeo]

that line "unprecedented access to your favorite artists" while not a guarantee, certainly implies the opportunity to meet the artist(s).

Which most of the time IS the case. So what's your point?

That those fans who purchase an ILAA ticket are not unjustified in expecting to meet the band, and that opprtunity seems to be in question. Some say the band "usually" shows up at the ILAA M&G's and some say they don't.

[junky]

The bottom line is: If I had bought an ILAA pass, I'd be pissed.

But you didn't, so you have reason to complain.

I've done ILAA a few times in the last two tours. Never once did I expect to meet the band. It's about the seats and the free booze and meeting other fans. And the price is only 2-3 times the normal ticket price which is well worth a front row seat.

This tour the band's own M&G is prior to the show at the same time as the ILAA party making it less feasible for them to show.

Last year, the band's own M&G was after the show, therefore making it easier for the guys to attend both.

Also, this tour, Journey's sound check was later because DL did theirs first, as late as 6:30, giving them little time for a M&G.

It's about logistics.

I attended an ILAA party last year full of BTers, and they wouldn't even speak to me or my husband. The acted like snobs.
Neal, Jon, Ross and Dean showed up and the BTers acted like animals. The guys looked uncomfortable and talked to no one. Deen took a little time and talked to me and my husband.
And during the concert, those BTers were ruthless. I got knocked over and pushed when Steve came near me. At another show, I saw one of them knock over an 8 year old trying to get Steve's nasty sweaty towel.

After witnessing this behaviour, I see why the guys would rather go to AR's party.

[MCC620]

http://www.iloveallaccess.com/index.php ... rtistId=50

Not sure but count for yourselves how many times and who showed by looking at the pictures. It looks liek its about the majority of this tour. And just to clarify...5* tickets are anywhere in the first 6 rows and not always center and subject to seats being held by the venue such as a casino. At Mohegan some 5* people ($375) wound up on the sides all the way at the opposite end of the row in the 5th row.

[Saint John]

that line "unprecedented access to your favorite artists" while not a guarantee, certainly implies the opportunity to meet the artist(s).

Which most of the time IS the case. So what's your point?

That those fans who purchase an ILAA ticket are not unjustified in expecting to meet the band, and that opprtunity seems to be in question. Some say the band "usually" shows up at the ILAA M&G's and some say they don't.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't ILAA a before the show event and M&G an after the show event? Either way, there is no guarantee that you WILL meet the band if you purchase an ILAA package. So while they're not unjustified "in expecting to meet the band" they shouldn't be pissed if they don't. It's just a bonus if they do.

[junky]

that line "unprecedented access to your favorite artists" while not a guarantee, certainly implies the opportunity to meet the artist(s).

Which most of the time IS the case. So what's your point?

That those fans who purchase an ILAA ticket are not unjustified in expecting to meet the band, and that opprtunity seems to be in question. Some say the band "usually" shows up at the ILAA M&G's and some say they don't.

When you but an ILAA ticket, no where does it state that a chance to meet the band is part of the package. Therefore, there is no reason to expect it.

[RossValoryRocks]

http://www.iloveallaccess.com/index.php?file=c-gallery_list&iArtistId=50

Not sure but count for yourselves how many times and who showed by looking at the pictures. It looks liek its about the majority of this tour. And just to clarify...5* tickets are anywhere in the first 6 rows and not always center and subject to seats being held by the venue such as a casino. At Mohegan some 5* people ($375) wound up on the sides all the way at the opposite end of the row in the 5th row.

Casino's are different...they have their own high rollers they take care of first. At normal venues they ILAA seats are in the first 3 rows generally in the center. Of course there are always exceptions, but overall they get what they pay for.

[MCC620]

that line "unprecedented access to your favorite artists" while not a guarantee, certainly implies the opportunity to meet the artist(s).

Which most of the time IS the case. So what's your point?

That those fans who purchase an ILAA ticket are not unjustified in expecting to meet the band, and that opprtunity seems to be in question. Some say the band "usually" shows up at the ILAA M&G's and some say they don't.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't ILAA a before the show event and M&G an after the show event? Either way, there is no guarantee that you WILL meet the band if you purchase an ILAA package. So while they're not unjustified "in expecting to meet the band" they shouldn't be pissed if they don't. It's just a bonus if they do.

The Boston M&G was at the same time as the 5*. So only Rick Allen was able to come into the 5*. I did 5* this year for the sole purpose of having the guaranteed good seats. Worked for Camden and Jones Beach and Boston. But 4* worked just as well and was a ton cheaper for Mohegan and Vegas. You live and you learn. Last year my first 5* was a treat with Ross and Jon and Deen coming in. But I was just happy with 6th row center.

Would I do ILAA again for the seats, yes, however not for Journey. I will gladly go back to the bird's eye view seats, save the money and have an even better tailgate with friends.

[Monker]

Again, I see it as the band members choice to go to whatever party they wanted to go to.

And there is nothing wrong with that. I agree.

However, there is a little more to this conversation than just that.

it's obvious this isn't about conversation, it's about Monker spouting his disdain for Journey and anyone who likes this version of the band. Something he's very good at.

You're wrong. I can just see the point that is being made in the other thread.

Let's take it to the extreme...where most people will totaly disagree with me.

Let's say Journey went to EVERY ILAA and fan event...except one. That ONE was attended by some "fat and ugly sows from BT" who Dean wishes would just die.

Can you not see how those who went to that ONE event that the band ignored would feel jaded and pissed off by Ross and JSS attendeding a party given by the very people say the things above?

I can.

[fred_journeyman]

...NOWHERE are you guaranteed to meet your favorite artist(s)....

And if you'll ready my posts (for meaning), you would have understand that I was NOT saying there was a guarantee.

...Furthermore, it doesn't mention or insinuate that "chances should be better than 90% that the band WILL attend and the fan will get to see them." YOU made that up....

Of course I did and it should have been obvious to anyone. Sorry that you missed it. I did NOT go anywhere and pull a number off of anyplace. I simply indicated that this is what I would have thought and expected.

That seems to be YOUR rule, not ILAA's. When you fabricate facts to support your argument because you don't have a leg to stand on, it really ruins your credibility. Like Monker, you seem to have an axe to grind.

I did NOT fabricate anything, Johnny. I simply made what I felt were reasonable statements. I have no axe to grind. In fact, I've NEVER purchased any type of ILAA package, so I DON'T have any axe to grind. I responded to Monker's post because it seemed reasonable to me that if people are consistently paying for and NOT receiving the full experience, then something is wrong. I assumed (wrongly, I guess) that anyone reading my comments would understand that I was speaking in generalities, not factual statements.

NEVER did I state in ANY of my posts in this thread that I believe there was any type of guarantee provided by ILAA. In fact, I stated that it would be "legal suicide" for the band.

[Monker]

Deep down, and I don't give a shit WHAT he says, Monker IS jealous. Why else would he care what a band he no longer has ANY desire to see, does between shows?

I have said I wouldn't spend $75/ticket to see them...I didn't say "I have no longer have any desire to see them again." I will admit that I not very enthused about it any longer, though.

As for ME being jealous...again, I ask, jealous of what?

Is it just irony that people like you turn these conversations to be about the people raising the question, instead of the question itself? Seem to me that there is a bit of avoidence there.

[fred_journeyman]

And we should give a shit why? Drop your superiority complex Fred. I was starting to actually like you. Maybe some of us just enjoy life in different ways?

You know what dude? The reason you don't "like" me is because you are constantly filtering my words through your preconceived template. You should NOT "give a shit." My point was directed at ME and my lack of desire to attend a party like that. If you feel I was commenting on YOU, that's your problem. I don't care WHAT you do or how OFTEN you do it. There are gay people in this world, cross dressers in this world, people who enjoy drugs, people who enjoy alcohol - I DON'T CARE!! It has NOTHING to do with any perceived "superiority" complex at all. It has more to do with the fact that I found out quite some time ago that I am ALLERGIC TO MANY TYPES OF ALCOHOL!!!

I don't care what type of party people attend or how they enjoy themselves AS LONG AS THEY DON'T HURT ANYONE IN THE PROCESS OR GET IN A CAR AND DRIVE.

Are we clear on this now?

[Monker]

It seems to me the band did all sorts of meet & greets during the last tour. Is it possible they have done so few this tour as a way to avoid the inevitable endless questions from the Wiggle Women about Steve and the Tapegate issue? Just a thought.

If that is true, then it proves the point that Journey has no interest in BT'ers...which is a VERY large chunk of their die-hard fans.