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[Citygirl]

Maybe the reason no-one asked how the show was is because none of you seem to be interested in the actual show. You were too busy harping on about your wee party.

[AR]

Truth be told, some of you would not be returning to this thread as often as you do unless you enjoyed the disagreement.

Oh, it's amusing, make no mistake about that. It's also sad.

[fred_journeyman]

I don't come after u Fred. U are the one who has posted after me. Scroll up. Open the old eyes & read.

I'm not talking just about this thread.

Ur retorts aren't getting to me at all. They're stupid & show just how much of an idiot u are. Nothing more.

Right, which is why you believe you have to make the incendiary remarks, even when Monker makes a comment about it being childish for posting sexual behavior, etc., you have to come back with "Sorry you ain't getting any" or some such nonsense.

If my retorts aren't getting to you, then you wouldn't be asking me to PM you. Obviously you want to keep it off the forum on one hand, but continue to argue about it on the other...

[fred_journeyman]

Oh, it's amusing, make no mistake about that. It's also sad.

Must be a "down" time in your otherwise enjoyable life...

[Saint John]

...NOWHERE are you guaranteed to meet your favorite artist(s)....

And if you'll ready my posts (for meaning), you would have understand that I was NOT saying there was a guarantee.

...Furthermore, it doesn't mention or insinuate that "chances should be better than 90% that the band WILL attend and the fan will get to see them." YOU made that up....

Of course I did and it should have been obvious to anyone. Sorry that you missed it. I did NOT go anywhere and pull a number off of anyplace. I simply indicated that this is what I would have thought and expected.

That seems to be YOUR rule, not ILAA's. When you fabricate facts to support your argument because you don't have a leg to stand on, it really ruins your credibility. Like Monker, you seem to have an axe to grind.

I did NOT fabricate anything, Johnny. I simply made what I felt were reasonable statements. I have no axe to grind. In fact, I've NEVER purchased any type of ILAA package, so I DON'T have any axe to grind. I responded to Monker's post because it seemed reasonable to me that if people are consistently paying for and NOT receiving the full experience, then something is wrong. I assumed (wrongly, I guess) that anyone reading my comments would understand that I was speaking in generalities, not factual statements.

NEVER did I state in ANY of my posts in this thread that I believe there was any type of guarantee provided by ILAA. In fact, I stated that it would be "legal suicide" for the band.

I'll end with this Freddy. Your stupidity continues to baffle me. ILAA, on their home page, outlines their mission. To ANYONE with at least one brain cell it is obvious that they HAVE lived up to what was advertised. They HAVE consistently provided the tickets promised. Journey members HAVE consistently, but not always, been there on a pre-show basis. ILAA basically provides a hassle-free, secure way of purchasing premium tickets. And your quote should have been, " I simply made UP what I felt where reasonable statements." Because after all, that IS what you did. As for your "axe to grind" I'll say this. Not too long ago you wanted out of the forum. In fact, you couldn't even wait several hours, so you rudely started a thread targeting Andrew to get you off ASAP. The way I see it, you now stay on this board not be constructive or constructively critical, but rather a whining, fly in the ointment pain in the ass. Like Monker, your life on this board ( and perhaps off of it too) revolves around negativity.

PS "better than 90%" sure seems like a "guarantee" to me. If not, it's certainly close enough that anyone with deductive skills would assume that. I guess 91% and above is a guarantee. Again, your stupidity baffles me.

[whocares]

hell, I woulda been at Ed's house, if I coulda made it. It would have been a blast, am I sorry I missed it? yep i am. But not bitter as a few of you appear to be. It was a PRIVATE party. Maybe the fact that invitations weren't out in the open for band members had a bearing, but youd'd have to ask Ross & Jeff.

Who the fuck really cares WHERE the band members party? Be happy they aren't so stuck up they want NOTHING more to do with anyone. You may have noticed that they ARE famous/celebrities. They can't just be going everywhere everyone wants them to go.

A few people here in this thread really are aruging only to see their "names" in print. They know there's no real substance to their so called arguements, so they try to belittle everyone else for wanting to have some fun, without them. boo-fucking-hoo, damned cry babies.

[ArnelRox]

Maybe the reason no-one asked how the show was is because none of you seem to be interested in the actual show. You were too busy harping on about your wee party.

The ones that WERE at the party weren't the ones harping. It was SOME of the ones that didn't go that can't seem to get over it.

[fred_journeyman]

I will do whatever I want, as long as it's within Andrew's guidelines.

As will I.

I've noticed as much as you want the board to talk about "Journey" that you never once asked how the show was.

I read the posts, such as they were, and looked at the pictures. What did I miss?

There are more threads having to do with the party than the concert itself. Come on, even the people who WENT to the concert apparently thought the party was better.

[AR]

Oh, it's amusing, make no mistake about that. It's also sad.

Must be a "down" time in your otherwise enjoyable life...

LOL

[ArnelRox]

Right, which is why you believe you have to make the incendiary remarks, even when Monker makes a comment about it being childish for posting sexual behavior, etc., you have to come back with "Sorry you ain't getting any" or some such nonsense.

If my retorts aren't getting to you, then you wouldn't be asking me to PM you. Obviously you want to keep it off the forum on one hand, but continue to argue about it on the other...

Fred, I'm following ur lead & posting whatever I want to. The only difference is I don't make things up, argue w/every single person who posts here, & come off sounding like an idiot ALL the time.

I told u to take ur personal beefs w/me to PM merely to save the other members from having to read them continually. That's all.

[whocares]

I will do whatever I want, as long as it's within Andrew's guidelines.

As will I.

I've noticed as much as you want the board to talk about "Journey" that you never once asked how the show was.

I read the posts, such as they were, and looked at the pictures. What did I miss?

There are more threads having to do with the party than the concert itself. Come on, even the people who WENT to the concert apparently thought the party was better.

not one post I read abotu the party mentioned that it was better than the concert. At least not Journey's part, so again, you are making shit up Fred.

You wanted out of the forum, you maade a thread to draw importance and drama to yourself, then you signed up under a new name, started the shit again, and came back as the same ass you were before. That's making it all about you.

[Citygirl]

Exactly. There has been more said about the party than about the gig. I seem to remember Deano saying something to the effect of "there's actually a gig?" IMO that speaks for itself.

I don't have a problem with folk being friendly with the guys. But some people on here seem to go on and on about how cosy-cosy pally-wally they are with them, which makes me wonder just how much of it is actually true.

[AR]

I will do whatever I want, as long as it's within Andrew's guidelines.

As will I.

I've noticed as much as you want the board to talk about "Journey" that you never once asked how the show was.

I read the posts, such as they were, and looked at the pictures. What did I miss?

There are more threads having to do with the party than the concert itself. Come on, even the people who WENT to the concert apparently thought the party was better.

The show was great. I say Boston was better because of the crowd. But getting to hear MOL and IBAWY was a major bonus.

[Clasicrockldy]

If I had the funds to go, I would of went. It sucks being on a fixed income. But I am not bitter about not going. I am happy for the ones that did go, and they are sharing the details here for the ones who couldn't go.

And as AR said, it was an open invite for anyone to go. Just because JSS and Ross decide to show up, some people get in a tizzy. And what is this thing about Ross showing up as being disrespectful to Frank? ( I have no clue what this is about.) Have you ever thought that Ross might of wanted to get to know Dean himself, and make his own decisions on if he likes him or not? Ross does have a mind of his own.

[Monker]

Maybe the reason no-one asked how the show was is because none of you seem to be interested in the actual show. You were too busy harping on about your wee party.

LOL! That's true too! Did ANY of them actualy post a review...or were they too busy posting party pics?

[fred_journeyman]

...The way I see it, you now stay on this board not be constructive or constructively critical, but rather a whining, fly in the ointment pain in the ass. Like Monker, your life on this board ( and perhaps off of it too) revolves around negativity.

You're right, there are a ton of people on this board who are so blinded by their desire to be part of the "in" crowd that they'll say anything even when it makes no sense (like your posts, for example).

Anything else?

[AR]

Maybe the reason no-one asked how the show was is because none of you seem to be interested in the actual show. You were too busy harping on about your wee party.

LOL! That's true too! Did ANY of them actualy post a review...or were they too busy posting party pics?

There is footage and pics from the show all over the place on this board.

[Citygirl]

I don't think they did, because it's obvious they care more about being in about them than hearing their music.

[MCC620]

Maybe the reason no-one asked how the show was is because none of you seem to be interested in the actual show. You were too busy harping on about your wee party.

LOL! That's true too! Did ANY of them actualy post a review...or were they too busy posting party pics?

Well maybe the show wasn't one of the better ones, so God Forbid they post a less than stellar review.

[The_Noble_Cause]

OF COURSE, meeting rock stars is waaay cooler than taking in a concert.
Naturally, it's gonna be talked about more.
You can always take in another concert, how often can share a sofa with Jeff Soto or Ross?

Those who fail to grasp this have obviously never met someone they admired.
That, or it's just sour grapes that they didn't get an invite.

[Calbear94]

As Saint John and NIG said, this party wasn't a PR requirement, it was just a chance for the guys to hang out with some people for a while in a relaxed, social atmosphere rather than being fawned over. It's a whole different thing.

I disagree. I think this fan/band member exchange only happened because of melodicrock.com, which is a PR machine for this genre at this point in time. No offense to the attendees of the party, but I imagine there were many hotter spots to hang out at, so I assuming that they did so for a reason. I think it goes back to the Augeri issue.

Until now, there have been basically two explanations for the tapegate controversy:

1) Augeri is evil-incarnate, and he enjoyed betraying the fans (single 'gunman' theory)

or

2) The band felt they couldn't afford to make another lead singer change (economics)

or

3)?

What if, out of gratitude for Augeri's loyalty, the band tried to remain loyal to him by continuing with him for 2 years hoping that his voice would improve? However, had they been truly loyal they would have taken a year off, not embarking on a tour with 3hr shows. Neal wanted to rock...I don't know how much that was his personal desire or due to how seriously he took a vocal group of hardcore fans during the whole Arrival/Napster controversy. Soul Sirkus was not economically viable, but Journey was not his, to completely control. Tapegate then benefited him by giving him the excuse needed to jettison Augeri and bring his buddy JSS. JSS is of course appreciative of the opportunity. This could explain why Jon was not too enthusiastic at first, but then got on board later as the shows mostly 'rock' audiences ate JSS-Journey up. Could it be that Jon was Augeri's main backer? Since, JSS and Andrew are tight and Andrew and Deano are friends, it's not that difficult to see why he would attend the party. PR-wise, I feel it was a risk though. Arguably, without Deano's noisy tapegate campaign, JSS wouldn't have the Journey job right now. Instead, he'd still be languishing in melodicrock obscurity. This gives the appearance that some type of 'corrupt bargain' might have taken place.

I feel that the recording potential of JSS-Journey is about what Generations is. JSS-Journey fans are clamoring for a new cd, presumably so that JSS would have to sing fewer of the hits, in which Perry's vocal style is so indelibally engrained. This direction is not going to allow them to sell a significant number of cds. I also feel that it will push the band into having to headline with hard rock groups, as the casual fans gradually find out about the change in direction. I don't think that JSS's youthful, hipper appearance will be enough to offset the drastic vocal change.

[fred_journeyman]

I will do whatever I want, as long as it's within Andrew's guidelines.

As will I.

I've noticed as much as you want the board to talk about "Journey" that you never once asked how the show was.

I read the posts, such as they were, and looked at the pictures. What did I miss?

There are more threads having to do with the party than the concert itself. Come on, even the people who WENT to the concert apparently thought the party was better.

not one post I read abotu the party mentioned that it was better than the concert. At least not Journey's part, so again, you are making shit up Fred.

You wanted out of the forum, you maade a thread to draw importance and drama to yourself, then you signed up under a new name, started the shit again, and came back as the same ass you were before. That's making it all about you.

I did NOT say that in ANY post, people said the party was BETTER than the concert. You are reading things (again) that are not there. What I said was "There are more threads having to do with the party than the concert itself." The last sentence was hyperbole, or sarcasm, or tongue-in-cheek, whatever you wish to call it, but it should by NO means be taken LITERALLY. I'm sorry you were not aware of that.

[Calbear94]

OF COURSE, meeting rock stars is waaay cooler than taking in a concert.
Naturally, it's gonna be talked about more.
You can always take in another concert, how often can share a sofa with Jeff Soto or Ross?

Those who fail to grasp this have obviously never met someone they admired.
That, or it's just sour grapes that they didn't get an invite.

Or, they are not insecure about themselves, and don't have to fill some void with hero worship or the denigration of others.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Or, they are not insecure about themselves, and don't have to fill some void with hero worship or the denigration of others.

A bunch of Journey fans got to party with actual members of the band and you expect there NOT to be much hullabaloo about it?
This has nothing to do with issues of "security" or "denigration", it has to do with a bunch of fans hanging with their rock heroes.

If the prospect of that doesn't excite you, u should probably ask yourself just how much of a Journey fan are you.

[whocares]

again fred, you always have an excuse when someone calls you out on your shit you post.




This isn't the fucking X-Files, People. No conspiracies here.

[Crazie Scarab]

You know what I think? I think that either A), the band members are totally laughing their collective asses off at this entire thread, or B), the band members have sworn by now to never attend another private function again. Ever.

I hope they're just laughing their asses off. But, who cares what I think? Right?

[ArnelRox]

I don't think that JSS's youthful, hipper appearance will be enough to offset the drastic vocal change.

What drastic vocal change? Drastic change from Augeri, yeah. But not from Perry. Jeff has a strong soulful voice, as did Perry. It was Augeri who made the songs sound like elevator music w/his weak thin & later on, croaky voice.

[Granny]

I don't think that JSS's youthful, hipper appearance will be enough to offset the drastic vocal change.

What drastic vocal change? Drastic change from Augeri, yeah. But not from Perry. Jeff has a strong soulful voice, as did Perry. It was Augeri who made the songs sound like elevator music w/his weak thin & later on, croaky voice.

ditto from me !!!on that!!

[Andrew]

Monker, if you are not jealous, then why waste your time with this thread? Do you really think that any one of the band wants to hang out with you???????????

LOL...have I not specificaly said in another thread that even if JSS personaly invited me backstage that I wouldn't go? Not because I have anything personal against him, or any other past or present member of Journey, but because being too close to the music I love can very easily taint it...This is a very good example.

The same way you continue to taint this message board. Can't wait for the day you say something positve about something.

[dcvader]

Maybe the reason no-one asked how the show was is because none of you seem to be interested in the actual show. You were too busy harping on about your wee party.

LOL! That's true too! Did ANY of them actualy post a review...or were they too busy posting party pics?

There is footage and pics from the show all over the place on this board.

I posted party and concert pics as fast as possible (Grey Goose may have slowed me down). I knew lot's of folks would want to see both types of pics.