The Singers, Keys, Guitarist, Bassist, AND Drummers Thread

[JrnySuxBalls]

Not a drummer here but a guitar player. Proud owner of a Neal Schon signature Les Paul -- an amazing instument. The sustainer in the guitar is incredible. I'm currently gigging 3-4 times per month and loving it.

Never played with a drummer that used octos. They remind me of long stacked roto toms but must sound much deeper I'm guessing. There must be a few musicians that frequent this forum. I noticed in one of the Baltimore party pics that AR had a Marshall combo up against the wall.

gibby, can you tell me the weight on the signature schon les paul??

It's heavy -- 10.5 lbs. Once it's strapped on I really don't notice it - even after a 4 hour gig.

Thats not too bad, some 70s/80s Les Pauls are far worse. I played an NS at NAMM, very impressive
guitar. I have way too many electrics, maybe I might sell a few to get one of those.

I spoke with another guy awhile back who loves his. Says it sounds amazing.

[Gibby]

Not a drummer here but a guitar player. Proud owner of a Neal Schon signature Les Paul -- an amazing instument. The sustainer in the guitar is incredible. I'm currently gigging 3-4 times per month and loving it.

Never played with a drummer that used octos. They remind me of long stacked roto toms but must sound much deeper I'm guessing. There must be a few musicians that frequent this forum. I noticed in one of the Baltimore party pics that AR had a Marshall combo up against the wall.

gibby, can you tell me the weight on the signature schon les paul??

It's heavy -- 10.5 lbs. Once it's strapped on I really don't notice it - even after a 4 hour gig.

I've never played a Les Paul but I do have a Strat. I've heard that Les Pauls are very light compared to Strats. Is that true, because I think mine easily ways more than 10.5 lbs.

Actually I've always heard the opposite - that LP's were generally heavier than strats. I have an Am. Deluxe Strat w/ swamp ash and it's lighter than my Schon LP.

[larryfromnextdoor]

Not a drummer here but a guitar player. Proud owner of a Neal Schon signature Les Paul -- an amazing instument. The sustainer in the guitar is incredible. I'm currently gigging 3-4 times per month and loving it.

Never played with a drummer that used octos. They remind me of long stacked roto toms but must sound much deeper I'm guessing. There must be a few musicians that frequent this forum. I noticed in one of the Baltimore party pics that AR had a Marshall combo up against the wall.

gibby, can you tell me the weight on the signature schon les paul??

It's heavy -- 10.5 lbs. Once it's strapped on I really don't notice it - even after a 4 hour gig.

I've never played a Les Paul but I do have a Strat. I've heard that Les Pauls are very light compared to Strats. Is that true, because I think mine easily ways more than 10.5 lbs.

Actually I've always heard the opposite - that LP's were generally heavier than strats. I have an Am. Deluxe Strat w/ swamp ash and it's lighter than my Schon LP.

absolutley,, les pauls are made of solid mahagony,, one of mine is 11lbs... strats are made of alder wood or ash,, much lighter,, 7.5 lbs...or so,, my custom les paul is a 1979,, 11 lbs will kill your shoulder with no breaks,, . the reason i was asking about the schon custom is because he has routed out so much of the back for that fernades sustainer,, but apparently he lost no weight,, i would love to just play one of those,, i have never played with a sustainer,, i was thinking schon used a buzz feiten tuner applied as well ,, put on by ed roman,, i could be wrong,, not sure,, i dont have that either,,

[Gibby]

The sustainer is wild. I remember watching the 2001 dvd and Neal was doing some outrageous stuff and I kept wondering 'how the hell did he do that?'. Well, now I know. The sustainer adds a whole new dimension and creates the 'singing' guitar sound. It holds notes indefinitely and you can switch between a high, med, or low harmonic. I use it all the time live. I have taken a bunch of pics of Neal and have seen many other pics and his sustainer is active almost all the time. It does go through batteries though - it's like having a pedal in the back of the guitar; as soon as the chord is plugged into the guitar, it starts sucking juice. I don't take any chances and throw a new 9 volter in before each show. Neal uses 9's for his strings. I've used 10's for a long time so playing 9's now allows for some extra bending.

[low d]

OK....first up, for all you Drummers out there....

WHY are Octoban Drums obsolete??

They are not. Mike Portnoy of Dream Theater uses them. There are many other prog rock drummers that use them.

Now, Roto-Toms...those should stay obsolete.

Hey, low d...

Are those the "octagon-looking" electric drums that Prince always used?

They had that creepy, mechanical sound to them....but, they fit Prince to at "T" (if that's what they are).

I sing and play a pretty mean Crescent-tambourine...."fire engine Red", of course...


I also play Keyboards, and Fred ~ I can TOTALLY relate (keyboard-wise) to "dropping a stick":

We used to play "Where The Streets Have No Name", by U2....and GUESS WHO had to learn the Keys AND sing??

Well, long story short.....I COMPLETELY MANGLED the beginning "Church Organ" thing so bad one night, that we had to start the song over:oops:

I managed to joke my way out of it....I said, "Yup....and THAT'S WHY I'm a SINGER!" LOL

Nope. Roto-Toms are basically heads and rims, no shells. Many famous 70's bands used them. Alex Van Halen used Roto Toms, Octobans and Simmons electronic drums. The Simmons were the hex shaped flat pads that you were thinking of. Most 80s bands that did electronic drums were using Simmons. The sucked. But technology was not up to snuff. MIDI been rolled out. The cheapest pro sampler was the Emulator at $80k. Next came the Fairlight.

[fred_journeyman]

Now, Roto-Toms...those should stay obsolete.

I still have a set of those...

[fred_journeyman]

He traded his High-Pitch Octos and a Foot-Cowbell & Pedal (he got kinda inspired and "carried away" after the "Modern Drummer" thing....but he didn't like it )

Ah, I see.

[fred_journeyman]

Do any drummers here remember those weird looking (great sounding!) drums that angled out toward the audience? The bottoms of the drums were open (no heads) and then sent the sound straight out. THOSE are obselete, but shouldn't be. Wish I could remember the name of them. Anyone?

[low d]

Do any drummers here remember those weird looking (great sounding!) drums that angled out toward the audience? The bottoms of the drums were open (no heads) and then sent the sound straight out. THOSE are obselete, but shouldn't be. Wish I could remember the name of them. Anyone?

yep. My old drummer had some.

There is a set on display at Explorers drum shop in KC, MO if any of you are local.

[larryfromnextdoor]

this a great interview with the great les paul!! this is how it all started...... may only be interesting to guitar players,, chicks be warned...music would never have never turned out so great in th 50's, 60's, and 70's if not for les paul and leo fender.....and their inventions.. these are some of my fav players , with les pauls......

http://www.epiphone.com/news.asp?NewsID=632


eddie


ace


joe satriani

john sykes

jimi

gary moore
neal

neal and les paul

neal and les paul

stevie ray vaughn


eric johnson

[fred_journeyman]

yep. My old drummer had some.

Yeah, but what are they called?

[JrnySuxBalls]

i was thinking schon used a buzz feiten tuner applied as well ,, put on by ed roman,, i could be wrong,, not sure,, i dont have that either,,

No Schon doesn't use that...and Ed Roman?

Sustainers are cool, I use one and it's great. As far as weight, Schon prefers them on the heavy side
for sound, and sure some wood is routed but the Sustainer circuit AND the Floyd weigh a little bit
so it probably doesn't make alot of difference. I have an old '81 modded for a Floyd, and that thing
is SO heavy, but worth it for the tone.

[larryfromnextdoor]

i was thinking schon used a buzz feiten tuner applied as well ,, put on by ed roman,, i could be wrong,, not sure,, i dont have that either,,

No Schon doesn't use that...and Ed Roman?

Sustainers are cool, I use one and it's great. As far as weight, Schon prefers them on the heavy side
for sound, and sure some wood is routed but the Sustainer circuit AND the Floyd weigh a little bit
so it probably doesn't make alot of difference. I have an old '81 modded for a Floyd, and that thing
is SO heavy, but worth it for the tone.

JD, ed roman is a guitar builder for the stars,, as a matter of fact he has the last bodies of the "schon" jackson for sale on his site..
www.edroman.com

[JrnySuxBalls]

Oh I know who Ed Roman is.

[larryfromnextdoor]

Oh I know who Ed Roman is.

ah, i misunderstood,, i thought that i had read somewhere on romans site about schon with that buzz f. tuning,, i probably just imagined it......i like to read some of romans rants....,, hes also a bit of blow hard in places, but i think he admits that ,,, and he HATES les pauls.... i would love to buy one of his quicksilver guitars!!!

[Gibby]

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That's a real beauty.

What I really like about the Schon LP is the volume knob placement. I've played strats for so long and I love how he moved the volume knob into a 'strat' like position. Much easier to adjust on the fly than a standard LP.

[JrnySuxBalls]

What I really like about the Schon LP is the volume knob placement. I've played strats for so long and I love how he moved the volume knob into a 'strat' like position. Much easier to adjust on the fly than a standard LP.

Yeah, it's like a master volume right by your picking hand isn't it? That's very cool.