WHEN???

[NealIsGod]

I agree with your point, Jeremey. I just wish they would all stop the charade and get on with the business that is Journey. At this point, it's gone on WAY too long! For the record, I have nothing against Augeri. It's his fans I can't stomach! I think Journey, as a band is culpable for the tapegate scandal, and anyone who really thinks otherwise doesn't "get it". One guy did not pull off what was done, without others knowing about it. It simply defies logic to believe that.

John from Boston

I think Augeri should publish a book entitled "If I Did It."

[dcvader]

Jeremey, that's the line of the day and it's only 10 am.

[Jeremey]

Thanks, I'll be here all week!

[Just Mindy]

I think Augeri should publish a book entitled "If I Did It."

LMAO

[EightyRock]

If this is the case...Mr. Wiggles and his wife are holding this up through their attorney, then you can imagine the whitewash job the "official" announcement will have. I'm in no hurry to read any ball-less b.s. that's been cooked up by management, through all the attorneys. I think the fans deserve more than that, considering how much $$$ has been spent on "live" performance tickets and packages over the last few years.

[perryfaithful]

so much for "humble"

[atthistime]

I wouldn't doubt that Augeri is keeping tract and every time he is trashed on this board, he asks for another hundred thou,

[NealIsGod]

I wouldn't doubt that Augeri is keeping tract and every time he is trashed on this board, he asks for another hundred thou,

Wow, he could buy and sell Bill Gates if he got that much dough.

[Michael Leigh]

Thanks, I'll be here all week!

Yes, and try the halibut!!

[Jeremey fan forever]

If it's Mr. Awesome, how come he has such balls now, but never did in the studio, when it would really make a difference?

[Michael Leigh]

Hmmmmm....One person and a spouse, eh? Sounds like my suspicion has been confirmed that his first name is definitely Steve!!!! I didn't know this guy had this much power. I always viewed him as a hired hand! This is interesting.


John from Boston

No matter what your opinion of Augeri, and what happened, you have to admit with something as big as this, he's going to make sure whatever announcements or dealings come out of it that it's got his stamp of approval. The question I have is how long have they been wrangling this around? When was it decided that Augeri was permanently "out." Did Augeri actually believe he might have rejoined the tour, with the rest of the band & management knowing that JSS' audition was actually the Soul Sirkus tour? Did Augeri come out to the show earlier this year in NY actually thinking that he would be stepping back in at some point, or if not, why did it appear he was still on good terms with all?

I agree with your point, Jeremey. I just wish they would all stop the charade and get on with the business that is Journey. At this point, it's gone on WAY too long! For the record, I have nothing against Augeri. It's his fans I can't stomach! I think Journey, as a band is culpable for the tapegate scandal, and anyone who really thinks otherwise doesn't "get it". One guy did not pull off what was done, without others knowing about it. It simply defies logic to believe that.

John from Boston

This is what happens when there is a divorce. The old "I have become accustom to a certain lifestyle" bs.I am sure just like Perry, the powers that be are working for the best interests of both parties.I am sure that Steve A, is not going to be the scapegoat for tapegate, and like Perry ,claim he is partly responsible for the renewed touring interest in the band.
Like Jeremey said,regardless fof your opinion of Augeri,IMO, I think he deserves to be compensated for his contributions, and I am sure that the Mrs,is not going to go back to the lifestyle afforded by the Gap.I know many disagree but I do feel bad for SA. Having met him on a number of occasions he seems like a decent guy,but I am sure knowing that he is out of the band, he is going to be sure that he is going to make sure he is set up for the rest of his life.
By the same token, I am PSYCHED for JSS. He is a good dude, and deserves all of his success, after working so hard all of these years.Just my 2 cents gang.

[Gibby]

I agree Michael - when I started reading these posts, all I could think of was the word 'divorce'. This sounds like that's what is going on to some degree.

[Uncle heFTy]

Dutch Aardschok hardrock magazine has an interview with one the Talisman members this week in which they ask about Jeff's involvement with Journey. The guy from Talisman sais in the interview that Steve Augeri won't be back and that Jeff will most probably be the new permanent member of Journey, he also sais that Journey will have the rest of 2007 off after the tour in march and that JSS will tour with Talisman in may.

Just goes to show how little of what you read in the press you should believe.

[JrnyScarab]

I agree Michael - when I started reading these posts, all I could think of was the word 'divorce'. This sounds like that's what is going on to some degree.

I think Neal has some experience with divorces . Hopefully he doesn't have to pay too much alimony to Augperry!

[Melissa]

Dutch Aardschok hardrock magazine has an interview with one the Talisman members this week in which they ask about Jeff's involvement with Journey. The guy from Talisman sais in the interview that Steve Augeri won't be back and that Jeff will most probably be the new permanent member of Journey, he also sais that Journey will have the rest of 2007 off after the tour in march and that JSS will tour with Talisman in may.

Will that tour include US dates?

[ArmaniJeans]

Dutch Aardschok hardrock magazine has an interview with one the Talisman members this week in which they ask about Jeff's involvement with Journey. The guy from Talisman sais in the interview that Steve Augeri won't be back and that Jeff will most probably be the new permanent member of Journey, he also sais that Journey will have the rest of 2007 off after the tour in march and that JSS will tour with Talisman in may.

Will that tour include US dates?

Just gossip for you to completely ignore (until you find I'm right): Journey will tour through March/April in Europe; Talisman will tour after that (with Jeff) in Europe, Journey will do summer festivals and one-offs and go back into the studio (with Jeff).

So 1. I believe exactly what I read in the media, if you mean this article & 2. No, Talisman will probably not tour the US.

[SteveForever]

Hmmmmm....One person and a spouse, eh? Sounds like my suspicion has been confirmed that his first name is definitely Steve!!!! I didn't know this guy had this much power. I always viewed him as a hired hand! This is interesting.


John from Boston

No matter what your opinion of Augeri, and what happened, you have to admit with something as big as this, he's going to make sure whatever announcements or dealings come out of it that it's got his stamp of approval. The question I have is how long have they been wrangling this around? When was it decided that Augeri was permanently "out." Did Augeri actually believe he might have rejoined the tour, with the rest of the band & management knowing that JSS' audition was actually the Soul Sirkus tour? Did Augeri come out to the show earlier this year in NY actually thinking that he would be stepping back in at some point, or if not, why did it appear he was still on good terms with all?

Although Augeri hasn't acknowledged his Journey fan base....this could be his way of paying them back for their good hearts. People get so tainted about business now, but some people actually still have thier integrity-something no one can take away from you no matter what scandals are involved. If he is the one holding up the announcements it would fit perfectly with the kind of man people claim he is. A real man isn't going down without a fight, even if it in a gentile way. They most likely were super nice to his face but behind his back doing exactly what has been posted on this board for months. Just wonder if the posting on here has anything to do with the delays, if so sounds like everyone is getting what they wanted.

[styxman]

Hmmmmm....One person and a spouse, eh? Sounds like my suspicion has been confirmed that his first name is definitely Steve!!!! I didn't know this guy had this much power. I always viewed him as a hired hand! This is interesting.


John from Boston

No matter what your opinion of Augeri, and what happened, you have to admit with something as big as this, he's going to make sure whatever announcements or dealings come out of it that it's got his stamp of approval. The question I have is how long have they been wrangling this around? When was it decided that Augeri was permanently "out." Did Augeri actually believe he might have rejoined the tour, with the rest of the band & management knowing that JSS' audition was actually the Soul Sirkus tour? Did Augeri come out to the show earlier this year in NY actually thinking that he would be stepping back in at some point, or if not, why did it appear he was still on good terms with all?

I agree with your point, Jeremey. I just wish they would all stop the charade and get on with the business that is Journey. At this point, it's gone on WAY too long! For the record, I have nothing against Augeri. It's his fans I can't stomach! I think Journey, as a band is culpable for the tapegate scandal, and anyone who really thinks otherwise doesn't "get it". One guy did not pull off what was done, without others knowing about it. It simply defies logic to believe that.

John from Boston

This is what happens when there is a divorce. The old "I have become accustom to a certain lifestyle" bs.I am sure just like Perry, the powers that be are working for the best interests of both parties.I am sure that Steve A, is not going to be the scapegoat for tapegate, and like Perry ,claim he is partly responsible for the renewed touring interest in the band.
Like Jeremey said,regardless fof your opinion of Augeri,IMO, I think he deserves to be compensated for his contributions, and I am sure that the Mrs,is not going to go back to the lifestyle afforded by the Gap.I know many disagree but I do feel bad for SA. Having met him on a number of occasions he seems like a decent guy,but I am sure knowing that he is out of the band, he is going to be sure that he is going to make sure he is set up for the rest of his life.
By the same token, I am PSYCHED for JSS. He is a good dude, and deserves all of his success, after working so hard all of these years.Just my 2 cents gang.

I can hardly see a payout from Journey seeing Mr Augeri livin' out the rest of his life in luxury, there's not enough money in the pot to do that, why do you think they're constantly touring! Anyway he's got his own projects hasn't he, he'll never have to resort to the gap ever again. The sooner this gets cleared up the better as I'm seriously bored of all this same old shit. Nothin' against you Michael, what you said makes sense. Fuck even Dallas repeats are more exciting than this board right now, stop the rot and let's move on. Personally I wish Andrew never had this bloody interview as it's just creating a bad atmosphere here. Publish the fucking thing regardless, christ it's only words wombat...they'd never sue

[styxman]

Hmmmmm....One person and a spouse, eh? Sounds like my suspicion has been confirmed that his first name is definitely Steve!!!! I didn't know this guy had this much power. I always viewed him as a hired hand! This is interesting.


John from Boston

No matter what your opinion of Augeri, and what happened, you have to admit with something as big as this, he's going to make sure whatever announcements or dealings come out of it that it's got his stamp of approval. The question I have is how long have they been wrangling this around? When was it decided that Augeri was permanently "out." Did Augeri actually believe he might have rejoined the tour, with the rest of the band & management knowing that JSS' audition was actually the Soul Sirkus tour? Did Augeri come out to the show earlier this year in NY actually thinking that he would be stepping back in at some point, or if not, why did it appear he was still on good terms with all?

I agree with your point, Jeremey. I just wish they would all stop the charade and get on with the business that is Journey. At this point, it's gone on WAY too long! For the record, I have nothing against Augeri. It's his fans I can't stomach! I think Journey, as a band is culpable for the tapegate scandal, and anyone who really thinks otherwise doesn't "get it". One guy did not pull off what was done, without others knowing about it. It simply defies logic to believe that.

John from Boston

This is what happens when there is a divorce. The old "I have become accustom to a certain lifestyle" bs.I am sure just like Perry, the powers that be are working for the best interests of both parties.I am sure that Steve A, is not going to be the scapegoat for tapegate, and like Perry ,claim he is partly responsible for the renewed touring interest in the band.
Like Jeremey said,regardless fof your opinion of Augeri,IMO, I think he deserves to be compensated for his contributions, and I am sure that the Mrs,is not going to go back to the lifestyle afforded by the Gap.I know many disagree but I do feel bad for SA. Having met him on a number of occasions he seems like a decent guy,but I am sure knowing that he is out of the band, he is going to be sure that he is going to make sure he is set up for the rest of his life.
By the same token, I am PSYCHED for JSS. He is a good dude, and deserves all of his success, after working so hard all of these years.Just my 2 cents gang.

I can hardly see a payout from Journey seeing Mr Augeri livin' out the rest of his life in luxury, there's not enough money in the pot to do that, why do you think they're constantly touring! Anyway he's got his own projects hasn't he, he'll never have to resort to the gap ever again. The sooner this gets cleared up the better as I'm seriously bored of all this same old shit. Nothin' against you Michael, what you said makes sense. Fuck even Dallas repeats are more exciting than this board right now, stop the rot and let's move on. Personally I wish Andrew never had this bloody interview as it's just creating a bad atmosphere here. Publish the fucking thing regardless, christ it's only words wombat...they'd never sue

[NoMoreTails]

Augeri with that much power? I don't know....maybe Perry still has Journey dancing to his tune to the point that he gets to ok singer changes, didn't Andrew say there might be a chance of Perry giving JSS his ok in another thread? Augeri should get whatever is fair for taking the fall for something the whole band did and his reputation being damaged while the rest of the band gets a free pass. What's fair I guess is up to him, and what they're willing to give.

[ArmaniJeans]

Guilty or innocent - solo blame or group responsibility - I think all the "official" SILENCE is in the best interest of everyone involved.

[ArnelRox]

Have any of u ever dealt w/lawyers for anything? Nothing is speedy. Nothing. Has anyone ever gotten divorced or had a friend who got divorced w/lawyers involved? Was it all resolved in a few months? Just use ur brains people. U will very quickly figure out who is holding this up. & it probably has to do w/what a lawyer thinks he/she can get than what the person & spouse looking for the settlement thinks. Lawyers are spin doctors. They spin tales for clients to believe. They drag things out for their own interests but make clients believe it's in their interests. The bigger the settlement, the larger the lawyer's percentage if on contingency &/or the more the lawyer can bill for his/her time if it's hourly or some combo of contingency & hourly. Either way, the lawyer wins. Here are 3 facts for u that I would bet money on being true.

1. Perry has nothing to do w/this. Let's not blame him for everything.
2. Augeri deserves a settlement, sure. He's been a partner in the band.
3. The band needs to go on & will want to settle not drag it through the courts.

This needs to be settled & the sooner the better. All parties benefit from making this sweet & simple. But lawyers never see it that way.

[Carlitto H@kk]

Augeri with that much power? I don't know....maybe Perry still has Journey dancing to his tune to the point that he gets to ok singer changes, didn't Andrew say there might be a chance of Perry giving JSS his ok in another thread? Augeri should get whatever is fair for taking the fall for something the whole band did and his reputation being damaged while the rest of the band gets a free pass. What's fair I guess is up to him, and what they're willing to give.

And that is probably what is going on...
"How much is it gonna take, money-wise, for Augeri to have his contract bought out and 'kept silent' on everything that has gone down behind the scenes over the past year?

I keep reading about what a wonderful, kind and generous person Mr Augeri is but get real...
This is a business. Augerui is probably filled with anger and embarrassment, as would most of us, at how things have transpired over the past year and he probably would LOVE to tell his side of the story, lay blame where he feels it should be and keep his job.
But that ain't gonna happen nor is Management and the rest of the band gonna let all the 'ugly details' become public knowledge.

You know what I think the biggest hang up is right now? Getting Augeri to add a statement to the pending "Official Press Release" that is suitable for publication I mean, could you imagine the backlash if he were able to just post a statement the way he probably really wants to?

[ArnelRox]

You know what I think the biggest hang up is right now? Getting Augeri to add a statement to the pending "Official Press Release" that is suitable for publication I mean, could you imagine the backlash if he were able to just post a statement the way he probably really wants to?

I really doubt that's the case. Augeri isn't going to want anyone to know "the truth" anymore than the band are. In fact, Augeri has more to lose.

[CatEyes]

.....
This needs to be settled & the sooner the better. All parties benefit from making this sweet & simple. But lawyers never see it that way.

Lawyers bill by the hour - just like hookers

[ArnelRox]

Lawyers bill by the hour - just like hookers

Yeah they're in the same category when it all comes down to it. LMAO

Some cases are on contingency though.

[Enigma869]

Augeri with that much power? I don't know....maybe Perry still has Journey dancing to his tune to the point that he gets to ok singer changes, didn't Andrew say there might be a chance of Perry giving JSS his ok in another thread?

I think that Andrew was referring more to Perry having more respect for someone who wasn't trying to emulate him. JSS will never be called a "Perry clone", as Augeri always was. Jeff simply looks and sounds nothing like the guy. Also, there seems to be a genuine respect for Perry from Jeff. Not that Augeri didn't repsect Perry, but Jeff has been on record as saying Perry was a rather large influence to him, from a musical perspective. I'm quite sure that Perry isn't signing off on who the lead singer of Journey is going to be. I honestly don't think Perry really cares. As far as he's concerned, Journey ceased to exist, with his departure from the band.


John from Boston

[bluejeangirl76]

I think Augeri should publish a book entitled "If I Did It."

Bwaaaaaa haaaaaa!


That was awesome.

[ArnelRox]

Not that Augeri didn't repsect Perry,

He didn't respect Perry. Perry was a thorn in his side who he was compared to. Before joining Journey he HATED that fact. I'm sure when he met Perry fans, he played the part well in a M&G situation. But in more up close & personal meetings, his flunkies told people not bring up Perry in SA's presence. Shocking? Sorry. It's true.

[Enigma869]

Here are 3 facts for u that I would bet money on being true.

2. Augeri deserves a settlement, sure. He's been a partner in the band.

With all due respect to Mr. Augeri, what exactly does Augeri deserve a settlement for??? Let's be honest here, folks...If you count EVERY cd Journey has sold since Augeri is in the band, my hunch is that it probably doesn't even add up to 500K. I thought "Arrival" was great, but it still didn't sell, anywhere! Augeri (just like every other musician) deserves any royalties for any songs that he wrote or co-wrote, while with Journey, period, end of story.

Let's face it...Journey very rarely ever plays any Augeri-era material at any of their concerts, so I suspect Augeri doesn't have much of a beef. Journey's entire career has been their Perry era material, and I don't suspect that is going to change, anytime soon. Augeri deserves nothing for making Journey who they became, because he had absolutely nothing to do with the success Journey had. The reality is that the only reason people even cared about showing up to see "Journey" in concert, when he was in the band was because of the material that Perry made famous. That's not a shot at Augeri...It's simply the facts!


John from Boston