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Postby ohsherrie » Tue Nov 21, 2006 9:07 am

Jeremey wrote:Here's an observation - Maybe no one in Journey thought they could continue or survive without Augeri. Maybe up to a certain point, they did believe that there was no way the band could have survived another lead singer changeover so late in the game. Neal himself said late last year or early this year that this was the "last incarnation" of Journey. Journey gave Augeri the power to believe that the Journey machine could not move forward without him. Humble or no, the weight of that level of power could have been enough to give Augeri and the band the sort of arrogance to believe a tapegate could be perpetrated. Neal, Jonathan, Ross - They'd all been in that position before with Perry and did not have the strength to believe in themselves to move forward. It wasn't until Neal and Jeff got together with Soul Sirkus that Neal really felt there was the potential to move out of the rut they were in. And coming off the Soul Sirkus tour in early 2005, Neal had just gotten back to basics with one of the best live vocalists in the business - Only to be faced with a gracious, humble, yet croaking and asthmatic singer - I think it gave Neal hope to believe that there was a way to move the band forward instead of driving it into its grave.


My only problem with that scenario Jeremey is that Neal, Jon and Ross are the veterans. Why would they have put all their cards in a game with a relative nobody? Could the Wigglers have really made them think Augeri was that much a part of who Journey was? I guess maybe losing a portion of their fanbase when Perry was gone may have made them think they couldn't survive losing the Augeri fans, but damn, Augeri was nothing compared to Perry. Most of their audience for the concerts didn't even realize who was singing. Why would they have given him that kind or power over them, either legally or emotionally? I personally don't think he was all that humble after he got his legs under him in the band. I think that was the image he chose to project thinking it would win over some of the lost fan base. It seems that some people fell for it.

I can understand if Neal had feelings of insecurity about the future of the band after the failure of Arrival. I could see where all that has happened may have made him think they couldn't go on if they had to change frontmen, if the frontman in question was really deeply rooted in the legacy of Journey. Augeri was never more than a generic guy up there singing the Perry songs to nostalgic audiences except to a relatively small portion of their concert attendees.

Oh well, I don't mean to harp at you about it. :lol: I'm just glad Neal found Jeff and now knows there is a future if they can just get out of the legal mess. I know you can't answer all the questions, I'm just venting my frustrations. :)
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Postby journeywoman » Tue Nov 21, 2006 9:33 am

I had also read when the UK tour was over,2007, was no Journey tours at all due to members doing their own thing????I had asked this last week and no response.Was this true?
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Postby Andrew » Tue Nov 21, 2006 10:11 am

All questions will be answered....
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Postby ArnelRox » Tue Nov 21, 2006 10:14 am

Andrew wrote:All questions will be answered....


All except those on Tapegate tho, right Andrew? Didn't u say before that they have not commented on that?
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Postby Granny » Tue Nov 21, 2006 10:16 am

Andrew wrote:All questions will be answered....


Will we be happy with the answers?--Granny
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Postby Matthew » Tue Nov 21, 2006 10:20 am

Why is there so much impatience and frustration about the interview and the official announcement?

Is there any doubt that Augeri is out...that JSS is in...that Journey are looking forward to touring the UK and starting work on a new album next year...etc...etc? What's the big mystery here that needs to be solved?
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Postby ArnelRox » Tue Nov 21, 2006 10:24 am

Matthew wrote:Why is there so much impatience and frustration about the interview and the official announcement?

Is there any doubt that Augeri is out...that JSS is in...that Journey are looking forward to touring the UK and starting work on a new album next year...etc...etc? What's the big mystery here that needs to be solved?


Good point Matthew. But some people do still doubt it & think Augeri is coming back. Others think Journey will hang it up after the UK tour. U & I & others here seem to "get" it. But a lot of people still don't have a clue. (Actually they have lots of clues but they don't play that game well. They need the facts, just the facts.)
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Postby Matthew » Tue Nov 21, 2006 10:30 am

JourneyRox wrote:
Andrew wrote:All questions will be answered....


All except those on Tapegate tho, right Andrew? Didn't u say before that they have not commented on that?



I'd love to read an interviewer give Journey a good grilling about Tapegate even if Schon and Cain dodge the questions.

And I'd love to see Perry being coaxed into giving definitive and substantial answers about whether or not he's coming back.

However I just can't see that the forthcoming interviews with MR and Uncle Joe Benson will leave us much wiser than we are now.

Hope I'm wrong...but my expectations are pretty low, to be honest.
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Postby Matthew » Tue Nov 21, 2006 10:34 am

JourneyRox wrote:
Matthew wrote:Why is there so much impatience and frustration about the interview and the official announcement?

Is there any doubt that Augeri is out...that JSS is in...that Journey are looking forward to touring the UK and starting work on a new album next year...etc...etc? What's the big mystery here that needs to be solved?


Good point Matthew. But some people do still doubt it & think Augeri is coming back. Others think Journey will hang it up after the UK tour. U & I & others here seem to "get" it. But a lot of people still don't have a clue. (Actually they have lots of clues but they don't play that game well. They need the facts, just the facts.)


Yes, JRox - it is important that Journey officially draw the line under the Augeri era and pitch the new line-up at the general fan base. But I guess I'm just puzzled why well-informed regulars on this site are itching so badly to know what is going to happen next...when the answer couldn't be any more obvious.
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Postby ArnelRox » Tue Nov 21, 2006 10:40 am

Matthew wrote:But I guess I'm just puzzled why well-informed regulars on this site are itching so badly to know what is going to happen next...when the answer couldn't be any more obvious.


Maybe some of them want to say "I told u so" to their buds over at BT or AV or something.

Also, I do think there are some well informed regulars here who still can't see the forest. It will have to be tattooed on their eyeballs for them to realize this one fact:

AUGERI IS NOT COMING BACK TO JOURNEY
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Postby Matthew » Tue Nov 21, 2006 10:44 am

JourneyRox wrote:
Matthew wrote:But I guess I'm just puzzled why well-informed regulars on this site are itching so badly to know what is going to happen next...when the answer couldn't be any more obvious.


Maybe some of them want to say "I told u so" to their buds over at BT or AV or something.

Also, I do think there are some well informed regulars here who still can't see the forest. It will have to be tattooed on their eyeballs for them to realize this one fact:

AUGERI IS NOT COMING BACK TO JOURNEY



I guess you're right....poor old Fyre is still holding a candle aloft for Augeri, isn't he?
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Postby ArnelRox » Tue Nov 21, 2006 10:46 am

Matthew wrote:It's true....poor old Fyre is still holding a candle aloft for Augeri, isn't he?


He is. He is gonna keep that candle burning until the official announcement. & who knows, maybe beyond. Meanwhile all his threads will get closed here & at BT. But he'll keep going & going. Just like his latin album. He'll never quit.
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Postby Matthew » Tue Nov 21, 2006 10:50 am

JourneyRox wrote:
Matthew wrote:It's true....poor old Fyre is still holding a candle aloft for Augeri, isn't he?


He is. He is gonna keep that candle burning until the official announcement. & who knows, maybe beyond. Meanwhile all his threads will get closed here & at BT. But he'll keep going & going. Just like his latin album. He'll never quit.


Well, I've been pathetically holding a candle aloft for Perry for a decade now...so I can't really complain that Fyre is unable to 'let go' after just four months....
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Postby ArnelRox » Tue Nov 21, 2006 10:54 am

Matthew wrote: Well, I've been pathetically holding a candle aloft for Perry for a decade now...so I can't really complain that Fyre is unable to 'let go' after just four months....


Yeah but ur hoping for Perry solo right?

U could always give Fyre some pointers on getting over his grief.

Who knows tho, a miracle might happen & Augeri will sing again just for Fyre. After all, Fyre won't mind if a little Memorex is used.
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Postby Granny » Tue Nov 21, 2006 10:56 am

Matthew wrote:
JourneyRox wrote:
Matthew wrote:It's true....poor old Fyre is still holding a candle aloft for Augeri, isn't he?


He is. He is gonna keep that candle burning until the official announcement. & who knows, maybe beyond. Meanwhile all his threads will get closed here & at BT. But he'll keep going & going. Just like his latin album. He'll never quit.


Well, I've been pathetically holding a candle aloft for Perry for a decade now...so I can't really complain that Fyre is unable to 'let go' after just four months....


I've holding a candle for Perry for as long as you too...I will never give up! for at least some new music--Joining Journey, that would be never-Fyre is totally being unrealistic about it all...I told u I wanted those KEYS so I could push the delete button.....
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Postby NoMoreTails » Tue Nov 21, 2006 11:47 pm

ohsherrie wrote:... Augeri was nothing compared to Perry. Most of their audience for the concerts didn't even realize who was singing. :)

Perhaps you should have put a few thoughts between these contradictory statements. Nothing compared to Perry? Or most couldn't tell the difference?

ohsherrie wrote:I personally don't think he was all that humble after he got his legs under him in the band

This statement is based on nothing but your loathing of Augeri because he had the gall to replace the object of your affection, or do you have any first hand knowledge that hasn't been shared here?

JourneyRox wrote:But some people do still doubt it & think Augeri is coming back. Others think Journey will hang it up after the UK tour.

Who thinks this, other than a few at/from BT that aren't willing to accept that SA has been replaced? Too few to even mention imo.
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Postby ohsherrie » Wed Nov 22, 2006 12:01 am

NoMoreTails wrote:
ohsherrie wrote:... Augeri was nothing compared to Perry. Most of their audience for the concerts didn't even realize who was singing. :)

Perhaps you should have put a few thoughts between these contradictory statements. Nothing compared to Perry? Or most couldn't tell the difference?


No it's not contradictory at all. I meant that Augeri's contribution to Journey and impact on the success of the band was nothing compared to Perry. I also meant that the audiences at the concerts didn't even know Augeri's name. Do you think Augeri ever attained the level of personal recognition as a singer that Perry did?

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ohsherrie wrote:I personally don't think he was all that humble after he got his legs under him in the band

This statement is based on nothing but your loathing of Augeri because he had the gall to replace the object of your affection, or do you have any first hand knowledge that hasn't been shared here?


Nope, it has nothing to do with his replacing Perry and all I'm referring to is what's been said here by people who know more about it than I do.
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Postby NoMoreTails » Wed Nov 22, 2006 12:22 am

NoMoreTails wrote:
ohsherrie wrote:... Augeri was nothing compared to Perry. Most of their audience for the concerts didn't even realize who was singing. :)

Perhaps you should have put a few thoughts between these contradictory statements. Nothing compared to Perry? Or most couldn't tell the difference?


ohsherrie wrote:No it's not contradictory at all. I meant that Augeri's contribution to Journey and impact on the success of the band was nothing compared to Perry.?

Wasn't the way it read to me...
ohsherrie wrote:I also meant that the audiences at the concerts didn't even know Augeri's name. Do you think Augeri ever attained the level of personal recognition as a singer that Perry did??

I never said they did, and most don't care what the singers name is. But you are correct that the great majority (casual fans, the one's Journey has been concerned about satisfying for eight years) couldn't tell the difference. And most are there to see Journey and not concerned with Perry whether they know his name or not.

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ohsherrie wrote:I personally don't think he was all that humble after he got his legs under him in the band

This statement is based on nothing but your loathing of Augeri because he had the gall to replace the object of your affection, or do you have any first hand knowledge that hasn't been shared here?


ohsherrie wrote:Nope, it has nothing to do with his replacing Perry and all I'm referring to is what's been said here by people who know more about it than I do.

What I've read here in the last couple of days on that matter is speculation as far as I can tell, unless someone would care to give some facts on which those opinions are based. Some of you MR long timer Perry heads have been out for blood for past derogatory remarks about Perry that were based on much more evidence, plenty of statements from people that had first hand knowledge of him.
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Postby bionic » Thu Nov 23, 2006 2:01 am

JourneyRox wrote:The one thing that still gets me is this. Ok I understand them having to go to tape last year. It was their 30th anniversary tour. They obviously knew SA was having problems & were augmenting him before then & he was awful at the beginning of that tour. I get that. They were giving him a chance. I feel sorry for the band. They were strapped & couldn't do live TV & radio appearances with Mr. Croaky. It hurt them a lot, I'm sure. There was a lot of stuff they could have gotten publicity on that fell thru the cracks. I bet it hurt them along the lines as when Perry didn't tour after TBF.

But why after all that, did they do tapes in the UK earlier this year & set off into the US tour w/Mr. Croaky again? Something is wrong here. Neal, Jon & Ross are consummate professionals that have been doing this shit for 3 decades. They don't strike me as the types that would risk their reputations unless they absolutely had to. Some say Neal wanted Mr. Croaky out & someone else (maybe Jeff) in for a long time. I wouldn't be surprised if Neal was telling Jeff all along that he wanted to pave the way for him to come into Journey. I'm sure neither will ever admit it, but I bet it was tossed around & considered.

But something tied their hands into continuing w/Mr. Croaky. Something didn't allow them to make the change that was warranted until Deano blew the whistle. I don't know what was holding them back. But there's more to this than meets the eye. More than we'll ever know, I'm sure.


Why did they continue to tour because as a partner he would have to step down and let a new guy take over, what if he refused to step down. Remember all there income is rfrom touring! Could they afford to wait months before Augeri was let go to his liking$$$ and then get a new guy in? Why has there been no interview from Andrew? Why no announcment? We are waiting for Mr.Augeri to officially say goodbye, that has been holding up things for Journey for some time now :wink:
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Postby ArnelRox » Thu Nov 23, 2006 5:18 am

bionic wrote: Why did they continue to tour because as a partner he would have to step down and let a new guy take over, what if he refused to step down. Remember all there income is rfrom touring! Could they afford to wait months before Augeri was let go to his liking$$$ and then get a new guy in? Why has there been no interview from Andrew? Why no announcment? We are waiting for Mr.Augeri to officially say goodbye, that has been holding up things for Journey for some time now :wink:


I get what ur saying Bionic. What I still fail to understand is how Neal & Jon, after all they went thru w/Perry holding up golden touring opportunities, could have any type of contract w/Augeri that would not allow them to force him to step down. There was downtime between the end of the 05 tour & the 06 Euro tour. Why didn't them kick his ass out then? Maybe he told them he'd get it together & since they thought he was nice & he was willing to tour, they took him at his word, not wanting the havoc another lead singer change would cause. That's the only thing I can think of.
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