BackTalk Proclamation

[styxman]

Save the Turkey Macca

[Matthew]

With all due respect to anyone who questions his motivation; I understand why you feel that way and admit to some curiosity myself, but what does it really matter?

You're right, Sherrie. It doesn't really matter. I was just curious...

If what he's trying to do (and I honestly believe he's trying) benefits the boards, and especially the band that we are all here for, that's what counts, isn't it?

Well, if Deano does help us to move on from all the hostility, then great. But I do think the moderators at BT ought to make some peace-offering or 'amnesty' to the hundreds of Journey fans they've banned over the years for being critical about the Steve Augeri era.

I'm one of those fans and if - say - I'm blown away by the latest line-up when I see them in March I wouldn't be able to post about it on BT - if I wanted to do so. This isn't a big deal because I can do this at MR - but it's the principle here that matters, I think.

So until BT introduces a 'clean slate' to Perry fans who are now - finally - back on board and wanting to support the band again I won't believe the moderators there are geuine about 'forgetting the past' and 'moving on', no matter how many positive vibes we send them.

[Moon Beam]

Personally though, I think it takes a small person not to accept an apology.

My fave part of your post, I agree.

[Matthew]

Personally though, I think it takes a small person not to accept an apology.

My fave part of your post, I agree.

Deano asked us whether or not we believed him by including a poll at the top of the thread. I don't see why it's ungracious or 'small' to answer his question honestly.

[Moon Beam]

Personally though, I think it takes a small person not to accept an apology.

My fave part of your post, I agree.

Deano asked us whether or not we believed him by including a poll at the top of the thread. I don't see why it's ungracious or 'small' to answer his question honestly.

I realize theres a poll, I participated.
and I agree with that part of The Confessor's post.
No one said it's ungracious or small to answer
Dean'os question.
Problem where there isn't one?

[bionic]

The guy has said sorry what more can he do. I doubt any of what were reffered to as the Herd will be willing to forgive! We must also remember that its not just the language that was used to describe BT members that upset them, its the fact that a large amount consider that Augeri never used tapes and therefore this has been a crusade of lies against a man who just has vocal problems, and that may be hard to forgive.
At best things will be calmer for the future despite the difference of opinion on Journey from the two boards.

[Matthew]

Personally though, I think it takes a small person not to accept an apology.

My fave part of your post, I agree.

Deano asked us whether or not we believed him by including a poll at the top of the thread. I don't see why it's ungracious or 'small' to answer his question honestly.

I realize theres a poll, I participated.
and I agree with that part of The Confessor's post.
No one said it's ungracious or small to answer
Dean'os question.
Problem where there isn't one?

Sorry Moon - I interpreted you and Confessor's remarks as a rebuke to those of us who haven't immediately applauded the apology...even though the apology wasn't directed at us in any case.

[Melissa]

There have been many here who have met Dean (in person)...and they pretty much all say he's a good guy. I'll take that over any message board shit-flinging any day...no matter how ugly it was.

Yeah, Dean is just a fun-loving guy who goes all out when he cares about something. If you meet him, it's impossible not to like him.

I never got to meet him, but was like within 10 feet of him in Baltimore & he DID make me laugh.

[ohsherrie]

With all due respect to anyone who questions his motivation; I understand why you feel that way and admit to some curiosity myself, but what does it really matter?

You're right, Sherrie. It doesn't really matter. I was just curious...

If what he's trying to do (and I honestly believe he's trying) benefits the boards, and especially the band that we are all here for, that's what counts, isn't it?

Well, if Deano does help us to move on from all the hostility, then great. But I do think the moderators at BT ought to make some peace-offering or 'amnesty' to the hundreds of Journey fans they've banned over the years for being critical about the Steve Augeri era.

I'm one of those fans and if - say - I'm blown away by the latest line-up when I see them in March I wouldn't be able to post about it on BT - if I wanted to do so. This isn't a big deal because I can do this at MR - but it's the principle here that matters, I think.

So until BT introduces a 'clean slate' to Perry fans who are now - finally - back on board and wanting to support the band again I won't believe the moderators there are geuine about 'forgetting the past' and 'moving on', no matter how many positive vibes we send them.

Yes Matt, I do think the other board should meet us halfway with this and maybe they ultimately will. I don't really expect those at BT who resent Dean so deeply and don't really know him to take his word for this immediately though. They will disbelieve until they see him walk the walk as well as talk the talk. When he, and the rest of us who have griped about that board, prove that we want to peacefully coexist maybe there'll be a chance. Of course there will have to be some time allowed to let the dust settle after the announcement and interview.

Also, remember who the mods there ultimately answer to. If the band wants the infighting to stop, and the fanbase to unite, it will happen.

[AR]

Then there are Ionian, and in more recent times Sicilian muses, who have arrived at the conclusion that to unite the two principles is safer, and to say that being is one and many, and that these are held together by enmity and friendship, ever parting, ever meeting, as the-severer Muses assert, while the gentler ones do not insist on the perpetual strife and peace, but admit a relaxation and alternation of them; peace and unity sometimes prevailing under the sway of Aphrodite, and then again plurality and war, by reason of a principle of strife.

[fred_journeyman]

Oh, and don't worry kids...once Deano's latest crusade to unite the boards fails because too many people (rightfully) do not trust him, he'll be back to his old ways and you'll once again be able to enjoy his rants to the fullest. Then you'll all be going "Hey Deano's back! That's great!" Whatever...

Fred, I have asked, now I'm teling you - give it a rest. If you are proven right somehow down the track, fine makea point of it then. But until then, enough of the Deano crusade.

Andrew, I am NOT on a Dean crusade. His actions speak for themselves. If you don't like it, I understand that because he's probably a large part of your bread and butter here. I WISH you were as emphatic when it came time to silencing him with his reckless posting about others. Oh, but wait, you can't stand Monker, so he's fair game and it's fun.

This board is a laugh riot with all of its inconsistencies and hypocrisy.

[ohsherrie]

Then there are Ionian, and in more recent times Sicilian muses, who have arrived at the conclusion that to unite the two principles is safer, and to say that being is one and many, and that these are held together by enmity and friendship, ever parting, ever meeting, as the-severer Muses assert, while the gentler ones do not insist on the perpetual strife and peace, but admit a relaxation and alternation of them; peace and unity sometimes prevailing under the sway of Aphrodite, and then again plurality and war, by reason of a principle of strife.

Oh somebody help me. I don't know whether to cry, laugh, or scream in frustration.

[fred_journeyman]

Funny, when I ask that the type of posting be changed so that we have less cesspool, and more substance, everyone comes out of the woodwork to condemn me. But now, the great and mighty DEANO has spoken from his throne and soon this thread will be filled up with people who can't lick your toes enough. I have absolutely nothing to lose here. Most don't like me and have nothing good to say to me or about me. Fine. I guess you're the only one who has the ability to be seen in a new light. Then again, you've got the inside track, don't you?

Wow, exactly what shade of green are you?

I was waiting for a comment like this, but didn't expect it from the board's resident peroxided homophobe.

Not green at all dimwit. Annoyed with all the chances Deano gets to go from one extreme to the other and Andrew let's it roll. The old Deano will be back, because he is the LAST person Journey should be counting on to do any fence-mending.

Take a hike, NIG. Hey, don't look now, but someone just got up - quick, there's a place for your tongue on Deano's onion ring! Go man, GO!

[fred_journeyman]

Great post Deano. I think you mean every word of it and I hope you accomplish your goal of stopping the hostilities both within and between the boards.

With all due respect to anyone who questions his motivation; I understand why you feel that way and admit to some curiosity myself, but what does it really matter? If what he's trying to do (and I honestly believe he's trying) benefits the boards, and especially the band that we are all here for, that's what counts, isn't it?

If it was last night instead of this morning I'd drink a toast to you Dean.

Apparently, I had you pegged wrong, ohsherrie. Looks like it's more important for you to be on the "winning" team than to stick with your ethics. That's a shame.

[fred_journeyman]

I can comment here a little - there is absolutely no connection between Deano and band management. Zero.
I know that Dean only got to meet some of the band earlier in this tour.

Deano started a massive ball rolling and I believe he really is trying to put things right.

The events of the last year also gave me a massive migrane and sleepless nights trying to keep this forum open while evetyone had their say about things.

I for one am looking forward to the band's statement and perhaps the beginning of a chance for everyone to move forward.

Sorry, I do NOT believe you and why should I, Andrew? The way you've carried the ball for this little syncophant makes you look just as culpable. In my book, you've not only lost my respect, but a ton of credibility for hooking up with Dean, the Cretin. Carry on, Andrew. You guys make a great pair.

[AR]

Then there are Ionian, and in more recent times Sicilian muses, who have arrived at the conclusion that to unite the two principles is safer, and to say that being is one and many, and that these are held together by enmity and friendship, ever parting, ever meeting, as the-severer Muses assert, while the gentler ones do not insist on the perpetual strife and peace, but admit a relaxation and alternation of them; peace and unity sometimes prevailing under the sway of Aphrodite, and then again plurality and war, by reason of a principle of strife.

Oh somebody help me. I don't know whether to cry, laugh, or scream in frustration.

Plato was actually describing the philosopher Empedocles in his famous "Sophist Dialogue" in this passage. It somehow felt appropriate to share with all of you.

[fred_journeyman]

Hey, let's not forget that a whopping 22 people, or 44% think Deano is full of shit, and only a few of them have likely posted here. But I'M the one on a crusade, huh Andrew? And pigs fly too...

[fred_journeyman]

Then there are Ionian, and in more recent times Sicilian muses, who have arrived at the conclusion that to unite the two principles is safer, and to say that being is one and many, and that these are held together by enmity and friendship, ever parting, ever meeting, as the-severer Muses assert, while the gentler ones do not insist on the perpetual strife and peace, but admit a relaxation and alternation of them; peace and unity sometimes prevailing under the sway of Aphrodite, and then again plurality and war, by reason of a principle of strife.

Great post...your arrogance...

[Enigma869]

Then there are Ionian, and in more recent times Sicilian muses, who have arrived at the conclusion that to unite the two principles is safer, and to say that being is one and many, and that these are held together by enmity and friendship, ever parting, ever meeting, as the-severer Muses assert, while the gentler ones do not insist on the perpetual strife and peace, but admit a relaxation and alternation of them; peace and unity sometimes prevailing under the sway of Aphrodite, and then again plurality and war, by reason of a principle of strife.

It's now official that AR has completely lost his mind...and his identity!!!!


John from Boston

[ohsherrie]

Great post Deano. I think you mean every word of it and I hope you accomplish your goal of stopping the hostilities both within and between the boards.

With all due respect to anyone who questions his motivation; I understand why you feel that way and admit to some curiosity myself, but what does it really matter? If what he's trying to do (and I honestly believe he's trying) benefits the boards, and especially the band that we are all here for, that's what counts, isn't it?

If it was last night instead of this morning I'd drink a toast to you Dean.

Apparently, I had you pegged wrong, ohsherrie. Looks like it's more important for you to be on the "winning" team than to stick with your ethics. That's a shame.

Not at all Fred and I'm sorry you feel that way. I just think Dean's doing the right thing and I think he deserves to be told so. I'm not trying to be on a team, just trying to have a good time here and get along with as many as possible. My ethics haven't changed, I honestly believe things can get better here and at BT for all the fans.

[Moose]

Then there are Ionian, and in more recent times Sicilian muses, who have arrived at the conclusion that to unite the two principles is safer, and to say that being is one and many, and that these are held together by enmity and friendship, ever parting, ever meeting, as the-severer Muses assert, while the gentler ones do not insist on the perpetual strife and peace, but admit a relaxation and alternation of them; peace and unity sometimes prevailing under the sway of Aphrodite, and then again plurality and war, by reason of a principle of strife.

Whether any
of them spoke the truth in all this is hard to determine; besides,
antiquity and famous men should have reverence, and not be liable to
accusations; so serious; Yet one thing may be said of them without
offence.....

[AR]

Then there are Ionian, and in more recent times Sicilian muses, who have arrived at the conclusion that to unite the two principles is safer, and to say that being is one and many, and that these are held together by enmity and friendship, ever parting, ever meeting, as the-severer Muses assert, while the gentler ones do not insist on the perpetual strife and peace, but admit a relaxation and alternation of them; peace and unity sometimes prevailing under the sway of Aphrodite, and then again plurality and war, by reason of a principle of strife.

Whether any
of them spoke the truth in all this is hard to determine; besides,
antiquity and famous men should have reverence, and not be liable to
accusations; so serious; Yet one thing may be said of them without
offence.....

Theaet: What thing?

But I digress, perhaps we shall start our own thread of sophist musings. That would be quite refreshing!

[Moon Beam]

Sorry Moon - I interpreted you and Confessor's remarks as a rebuke to those of us who haven't immediately applauded the apology...even though the apology wasn't directed at us in any case.

Quite alright Sir, I like you well enough and would
never want any trouble with you.

[Moon Beam]

Then there are Ionian, and in more recent times Sicilian muses, who have arrived at the conclusion that to unite the two principles is safer, and to say that being is one and many, and that these are held together by enmity and friendship, ever parting, ever meeting, as the-severer Muses assert, while the gentler ones do not insist on the perpetual strife and peace, but admit a relaxation and alternation of them; peace and unity sometimes prevailing under the sway of Aphrodite, and then again plurality and war, by reason of a principle of strife.

Whether any
of them spoke the truth in all this is hard to determine; besides,
antiquity and famous men should have reverence, and not be liable to
accusations; so serious; Yet one thing may be said of them without
offence.....

Theaet: What thing?

But I digress, perhaps we shall start our own thread of sophist musings. That would be quite refreshing!

TNC would kick all your asses
Sorry fellas it just snuck out

[donnaplease]

Funny, when I ask that the type of posting be changed so that we have less cesspool, and more substance, everyone comes out of the woodwork to condemn me. But now, the great and mighty DEANO has spoken from his throne and soon this thread will be filled up with people who can't lick your toes enough. I have absolutely nothing to lose here. Most don't like me and have nothing good to say to me or about me. Fine. I guess you're the only one who has the ability to be seen in a new light. Then again, you've got the inside track, don't you?

Wow, exactly what shade of green are you?

I was waiting for a comment like this, but didn't expect it from the board's resident peroxided homophobe.

Not green at all dimwit. Annoyed with all the chances Deano gets to go from one extreme to the other and Andrew let's it roll. The old Deano will be back, because he is the LAST person Journey should be counting on to do any fence-mending.

Take a hike, NIG. Hey, don't look now, but someone just got up - quick, there's a place for your tongue on Deano's onion ring! Go man, GO!

Hold on there!!! NIG isn't a homophobe...it's an acronym.

[NealIsGod]

Keep going, fred. Your constant references to homosexuality say a lot about you.

[Carrington]

Then there are Ionian, and in more recent times Sicilian muses, who have arrived at the conclusion that to unite the two principles is safer, and to say that being is one and many, and that these are held together by enmity and friendship, ever parting, ever meeting, as the-severer Muses assert, while the gentler ones do not insist on the perpetual strife and peace, but admit a relaxation and alternation of them; peace and unity sometimes prevailing under the sway of Aphrodite, and then again plurality and war, by reason of a principle of strife.

It's now official that AR has completely lost his mind...and his identity!!!!


John from Boston

Yea, he's freaking me out with each new post!........I laugh out loud everytime I read something else but it's really creepy!!, no offence AR, not you personally.......just the new "tone" in your posts.......I don't quite know how to take it....

[Deb]

Great post Deano. I think you mean every word of it and I hope you accomplish your goal of stopping the hostilities both within and between the boards.

With all due respect to anyone who questions his motivation; I understand why you feel that way and admit to some curiosity myself, but what does it really matter? If what he's trying to do (and I honestly believe he's trying) benefits the boards, and especially the band that we are all here for, that's what counts, isn't it?

If it was last night instead of this morning I'd drink a toast to you Dean.

Apparently, I had you pegged wrong, ohsherrie. Looks like it's more important for you to be on the "winning" team than to stick with your ethics. That's a shame.

Not at all Fred and I'm sorry you feel that way. I just think Dean's doing the right thing and I think he deserves to be told so. I'm not trying to be on a team, just trying to have a good time here and get along with as many as possible. My ethics haven't changed, I honestly believe things can get better here and at BT for all the fans.

Fred, there is no winning team, we are all adults here.......and it is just a fan forum, relax. I've never kissed ass before and sure as hell not going to start now......especially on an internet forum. Ohsherrie, my thinking is so much along the lines of yours sometimes, it's scary. I can see people being skeptical, I guess time will tell..............

PS: Deano, show em you have man size balls and prove the doubters wrong.

[Granny]

I think Deano is trying to effect change for both boards...There will never be one board but the name-calling will stop and we can all be fans of the same band....no mater who the lead singer is...ours just happens to be better than who the BT board wants it to be...

I believe Deano is sincere this time and really wants peace for all of us...so let us all try and see where it gets us...The Btrs also have to try to change and go along with the peace and see where it leads us...if nothing changes--oh well- we tried...

It can't hurt anyone if we all tried, can it?...G

[fred_journeyman]

Keep going, fred. Your constant references to homosexuality say a lot about you.

And who was the one who accused my post of being "too gay?" I have no problem with homosexuals - you do, which is why I referred to you as a homophobe. You're a moron besides and these "one-liners" of yours come right back on you. Dipwad. What an ass...