BackTalk Proclamation

[fred_journeyman]

I think Deano is trying to effect change for both boards...There will never be one board but the name-calling will stop and we can all be fans of the same band....no mater who the lead singer is...ours just happens to be better than who the BT board wants it to be...

I believe Deano is sincere this time and really wants peace for all of us...so let us all try and see where it gets us...The Btrs also have to try to change and go along with the peace and see where it leads us...if nothing changes--oh well- we tried...

It can't hurt anyone if we all tried, can it?...G

Sure Buford...when Deano wants change, then we should give him change. All you lemmings who can't think for yourselves will do whatever Deano wants. Go for it. Oh, look, he's telling you to jump off a building. Hurry, you don't want to keep him waiting!

I have to go throw up now...

[NealIsGod]

Keep going, fred. Your constant references to homosexuality say a lot about you.

And who was the one who accused my post of being "too gay?" I have no problem with homosexuals - you do, which is why I referred to you as a homophobe. You're a moron besides and these "one-liners" of yours come right back on you. Dipwad. What an ass...

Dude, you struggling with using the words "damn" and "hell" in your head was fucking gay as shit. And by gay I mean sissifed. How many times do I have to explain that, dork?

And I am sure my posts are 10 times more valued on here than yours.

[fred_journeyman]

Not at all Fred and I'm sorry you feel that way. I just think Dean's doing the right thing and I think he deserves to be told so. I'm not trying to be on a team, just trying to have a good time here and get along with as many as possible. My ethics haven't changed, I honestly believe things can get better here and at BT for all the fans.

Deano's track record speaks for itself. He's no sooner going to change permanently than NIG can actually grow. This is his latest "kick" and when he tires of it, the old Deano will be back and people will go "Well, you tried Deano. Good on you! Glad you're back though because the board was getting really boring! Oh, and the "clicks" for advertisers will be at an all time low because of Deano's new 'tude.

I'm starting the count down to the old Deano...ready...set...NOW!

[fred_journeyman]

Keep going, fred. Your constant references to homosexuality say a lot about you.

And who was the one who accused my post of being "too gay?" I have no problem with homosexuals - you do, which is why I referred to you as a homophobe. You're a moron besides and these "one-liners" of yours come right back on you. Dipwad. What an ass...

Dude, you struggling with using the words "damn" and "hell" in your head was fucking gay as shit. And by gay I mean sissifed. How many times do I have to explain that, dork?

And I am sure my posts are 10 times more valued on here than yours.

Dude, I was 12 at the time. I know what you meant by your use of the word 'gay.' Your posts are more valued than mine? Of course they are, but look who appreciates them? The people who have joined you in your cesspool. You're an ass of the highest order.

Now, on your next post to me, I would like you to stop and think and really try to say something that makes sense, all right? If you can't do it, maybe we can get AR or Sallee or someone else to step up to bat for you, because your posts contain NO value as far as I'm concerned and if you were in front of me right now, I'd say that to your face, dumbass.

[Granny]

I think Deano is trying to effect change for both boards...There will never be one board but the name-calling will stop and we can all be fans of the same band....no mater who the lead singer is...ours just happens to be better than who the BT board wants it to be...

I believe Deano is sincere this time and really wants peace for all of us...so let us all try and see where it gets us...The Btrs also have to try to change and go along with the peace and see where it leads us...if nothing changes--oh well- we tried...

It can't hurt anyone if we all tried, can it?...G

Sure Buford...when Deano wants change, then we should give him change. All you lemmings who can't think for yourselves will do whatever Deano wants. Go for it. Oh, look, he's telling you to jump off a building. Hurry, you don't want to keep him waiting!

I have to go throw up now...

Why are u so reluctant to try and have a peace for the two boards..JUST B/C DEAN ASKED???....Suppose it was Andrew who asked? then would u believe it? Suppose it was one of the others that u hold so dear? It is still a good idea no mater who asked us to try....

[NealIsGod]

Dude, I am taller than you.

[NealIsGod]

Dude, I was 12 at the time.

You must have been such a cool kid.

Your posts are more valued than mine? Of course they are, but look who appreciates them? The people who have joined you in your cesspool. You're an ass of the highest order.

Thanks! Coming from you, that means a lot! I would be worried if you liked me. Why do you continue to spend so much time in here, every day, if you think so badly of everyone?

Now, on your next post to me, I would like you to stop and think and really try to say something that makes sense, all right? If you can't do it, maybe we can get AR or Sallee or someone else to step up to bat for you, because your posts contain NO value as far as I'm concerned and if you were in front of me right now, I'd say that to your face, dumbass.

Yet you keep responding to them. Dumbass.

[chickpea]

I hope that this is a sincere post and that Dean follows through on his word. Even though I nodded my head in agreement with him sometimes, I didn't really enjoy the personal insults and rants.

[ArnelRox]

Dean, I just want to thank you for this. It's truly a beautiful message. Unlike many here, I know this came from your heart. I know there are others here who like me have had the unique opportunity to get to know u as a person. I'm glad I did because ur a great guy. I figured that out even through some of ur messages here a long time ago. I read between the lines. I think some people just take everything u say a lot too literally. They don't see what u went thru by starting that blog & the abuse u took just for standing up for something u believed in. I'm very glad u consider me a friend, Dean. & I think ur one hell of a person all around & especially for having the balls to do this. It means a lot. I think many will see that.

To those who state that this has been a quick switch for Dean, read back thru some of his messages. He didn't change his mind overnite. He went thru a process. I wasn't sure Jeff was right for Journey in the beginning. Other people here whose opinions carry weight, Jeremey for example (& many others), weren't totally sure at first either. But then we listened a bit more. We watched. We went to shows. & we realized what was happening & how awesome it is. We got excited. This is also what happened to Dean.

Dean didn't just wake up this morning & decide to try to unite MR & BT. If u read his messages, u will see he's been coming to this point for quite a while. It's a process, not an overnite change. Don't just read a message here & there & pass judgment. We all write messages that don't paint us in a good light from time to time. Instead of passing judgment as u would not want passed on u, think of what Dean's been through this year. If u have the opportunity, get to know him a little. I haven't agreed w/everything he said. He hasn't agreed w/everything I said. But we've always been respectful to each other. That's what it's all about.

I really hope this goes a long way towards uniting Journey fans. I'm sick of all the fighting about which lead singer is better. I want to remain a Journey fan. I've been one since I was 15 yrs old. Their music touches me. They now have a lead singer who can unite fans. He's already done a lot of that. Let's all try to follow Dean's example & enjoy the new revitalized Journey. As Granny said, it can't hurt if each of us just tries to stop the bickering & get along, can it? Maybe we won't be able to do it, but all we can do is try.

Again, thanks Dean. Ur a very brave & special man. Journey is lucky u decided to be their fan.

[maverick218]

Deano,
One thing that I respect about you is your brutal honesty and passion- sometimes, it's over the top, but obviously, you realize that. Something that I really appreciate is your love for our band. You eat, sleep, and breathe Journey (as do a lot of us). Your love and devotion comes out in different ways that some of us might choose, but there can be no doubt whose team that you are on.
I really do believe that you want the best for Journey and along with that goes putting the best product out. There is no doubt in my mind that Journey will be better off with JSS at the helm. Do I hate Augeri?, no way- he is partly responsible for allowing Journey to continue on; but I sense a real opportunity for Journey to reclaim at least part of their rightful place at the "top of the rock" with JSS.
One thing that we all need to remember is that we are on the same team and part of the Journey family- we may not all agree with each other all of the time, and we may be just a tad bit disfunctional but, when all is said and done, we all want to see Journey back on top.
Happy Thanksgiving everyone!

[Granny]

To JR and Maverick

So very well said..G

[Matthew]

people will go "Well, you tried Deano. Good on you! Glad you're back though because the board was getting really boring!

This inconsistency is puzzling me too. Over the last few weeks I've read countless posts complaining about how dull this board is without the controversy Deano generates. Yet today...the majority of the posts (if not the votes) are making the case for positive vibes, co-operation and mutual respect....in other words, the people who love Deano's controversial posts the most are now applauding Dean's vow to end the controversy...in a controversial thread which Dean started.

It's all very confusing...

My own position is that it's too early to be sweetness and light to Journey or their website or their management. After years of mediocrity, control-freakery and dishonesty Journey are JUST starting to make some positive moves...but as the delay in the announcement/ interviews shows...there is still a long way to go before we can fully respect this band and the organisation that runs their affairs again.

Sure, Journey have performed well again in concert recently...but we need charismatic fans like Deano to keep the band on its toes...to criticize and cajole...to ridicule the absurdities of the band's online profile...and so on...as well as to cheerlead and promote all that's good.

Deano was RIGHT to bust Journey earlier this year and his posts entertained most of us here...so why on earth he needs to apologize to anyone or suppress his natural voice is beyond me.

[AR]

Let those who are in favour with their stars
Of public honour and proud titles boast,
Whilst I, whom fortune of such triumph bars,
Unlook'd for joy in that I honour most.
Great princes' favourites their fair leaves spread
But as the marigold at the sun's eye,
And in themselves their pride lies buried,
For at a frown they in their glory die.
The painful warrior famoused for fight,
After a thousand victories once foil'd,
Is from the book of honour razed quite,
And all the rest forgot for which he toil'd:
Then happy I, that love and am beloved
Where I may not remove nor be removed.

[ArnelRox]

This inconsistency is puzzling me too. Over the last few weeks I've read countless posts complaining about how dull this board is without the controversy Deano generates. Yet today...the majority of the posts (if not the votes) are making the case for positive vibes, co-operation and mutual respect....in other words, the people who love Deano's controversial posts the most are now applauding Dean's vow to end the controversy...in a controversial thread which Dean started.

Matthew, ur missing the point. Dean will still be Dean. He will still be controversial. He will still say off-color things. None of that will change. He just wants to stop slinging insults at BT. Andrew has wanted that to stop for a long time. I'm sure Journey wants it to stop. Can't u see the difference here?

but as the delay in the announcement/ interviews shows...there is still a long way to go before we can fully respect this band and the organisation that runs their affairs again.

Matthew, I know ur an intelligent guy. Please use those brains here. U know it's not the band's fault that the announcement is delayed. There are legal matters going on here as Augeri is separated from the band. That takes time & negotiations. Lawyers are slow in these dealings as offers & counteroffers go back & forth. They sit around & consider this & that before responding reading up on caselaw & precedents, etc. But while the dealings go on, lawyers don't let anyone involved talk about it. The band doesn't want to keep the truth from us. But their hands are tied. Do u remember when Perry left & it took months for the announcement to come? It's the same thing. If u were a partner in a corp. & leaving & there were heated negotiations about who got what, u would be in the same exact situation. Ur lawyers would tell u not to talk about. Don't disrespect the band for something they can't control please.

Deano was RIGHT to bust Journey earlier this year and his posts entertained most of us here...so why on earth he needs to apologize to anyone or suppress his natural voice is beyond me.

He's not. He's just making an effort to unite fans. That's for the good of this board, the good of the band, & honestly, for the good of each one of us here too. Can't u see that?

[yulog]

Let those who are in favour with their stars
Of public honour and proud titles boast,
Whilst I, whom fortune of such triumph bars,
Unlook'd for joy in that I honour most.
Great princes' favourites their fair leaves spread
But as the marigold at the sun's eye,
And in themselves their pride lies buried,
For at a frown they in their glory die.
The painful warrior famoused for fight,
After a thousand victories once foil'd,
Is from the book of honour razed quite,
And all the rest forgot for which he toil'd:
Then happy I, that love and am beloved
Where I may not remove nor be removed.

Again,

[Matthew]

.
If u read his messages, u will see he's been coming to this point for quite a while. .

Except a couple of days ago...when Eric made what I thought was a genuinely sincere apology to Perry die-hards (in a thread which was largely ignored) Deano was his old uncompromising self...advising Eric not to "cower like the French" and stating that he'll never apologise to those "bitches" and so on.

Sure, this was probably tongue-in-cheek - but equally it was hardly the 'We Are The World' type spiel we're getting today.

[ArnelRox]

Except a couple of days ago...when Eric made what I thought was a genuinely sincere apology to Perry die-hards (in a thread which was largely ignored) Deano was his old uncompromising self...advising Eric not to "cower like the French" and stating that he'll never apologise to those "bitches" and so on.

Sure, this was probably tongue-in-cheek - but equally it was hardly the 'We Are The World' type spiel we're getting today.

Alright I missed that particular Dean message. That was about Perry-loons tho so it's different. Honestly he's been coming around to today's message for a long time.

[Matthew]

Except a couple of days ago...when Eric made what I thought was a genuinely sincere apology to Perry die-hards (in a thread which was largely ignored) Deano was his old uncompromising self...advising Eric not to "cower like the French" and stating that he'll never apologise to those "bitches" and so on.

Sure, this was probably tongue-in-cheek - but equally it was hardly the 'We Are The World' type spiel we're getting today.

Alright I missed that particular Dean message. That was about Perry-loons tho so it's different. Honestly he's been coming around to today's message for a long time.

Why is it different, JRox?


(Will reply to your longer post later..)

[AR]

Unity, community, as one stand together.
To die for the system is as light as a feather.
But if you live for the people, and you live for today
then your fears disappear and your worries go away.
Heaven & hell are just a mental-state,
we live and die by our choices, We create our own fate.
If you walk the path of love then you’ll know what I mean,
Because heaven is much closer than it may seem.

[ArnelRox]

Why is it different, JRox?


(Will reply to your longer post later..)

No reply needed. It's different if I understand the intent b/c it was about Eric apologizing for not understanding the sentiments Perry-loons went thru at the loss of Perry. U have to realize that some of these Perry-loons (& I'm one, but not a militant one) go way too far in their Journey-hate.

[fredinator]

AR-You're killing me again... Why don't you post a picture of a rose or a brook or something with those beautiful quotations? You know, like you used to do--post a lot of pictures...

Nancy

P.S. Has Fred turned into..... Joe Reardon????

[Matthew]

Why is it different, JRox?


(Will reply to your longer post later..)

No reply needed. It's different if I understand the intent b/c it was about Eric apologizing for not understanding the sentiments Perry-loons went thru at the loss of Perry. U have to realize that some of these Perry-loons (& I'm one, but not a militant one) go way too far in their Journey-hate.

I think Eric's intent was to apologize for accusing Perry die-hards of not being fans of Journey...when in fact they were simply not fans of Augeri. But maybe Eric himself can clarify...

[rustygreen]

Everyone here knows that Deano and I went round on this a few times. I believe in taking one step at a time here. For those who are interested both sides (BT & MR) are talking. What we need right now is for things to end.

Apologies have been made. Weather anyone takes them is their choice. Some of us will never forgive him. That’s fine. We are not looking at making the best of friends out of this. Just some peace.

The people I feel the most about are the Augeri’s. No matter the truth Steve, his wife and family are real people with real feelings. I have felt terrible for others. For my good friend Maria and my girlfriend Rebecca. For the other fans, for their friends and for their family. We can not go back and change the past. We can not fix the wrong but we can move forward. The Olive Branch is a good start.
Deano knows that the only way people will believe him is in due time. As time moves on and the longer he goes at keeping his word the more likely we will believe him to be sincere.

Some people think I’m crazy at even the thought of working things out. They say that Deano is Deano and he will never change. If people don’t have faith then nothing will ever change. Deano knows he holds the key. Back Talk will be Balk Talk and Melodic Rock will be Melodic Rock. All we are looking for is some peace between the two.

Yes, I want to believe in the sincerity. It’s not about being right but about getting along. It’s about change.

I have my fingers crossed.

[Deb]

Unity, community, as one stand together.
To die for the system is as light as a feather.
But if you live for the people, and you live for today
then your fears disappear and your worries go away.
Heaven & hell are just a mental-state,
we live and die by our choices, We create our own fate.
If you walk the path of love then you’ll know what I mean,
Because heaven is much closer than it may seem.

OK AR, now you're just getting annoying!

[Granny]

AR, I'M NOT READING THAT CRAP ANYMORE.....

[Lula]

Ugh.... I''m unable to hold my tongue any longer......

Why is it that Dean is the only one that seems to be receiving blame? Maybe I just don't get it. Rusty, I can understand you feeling for those closest to you, but come on- not just your loved ones or the Augeri's have been hurt here.

Both sides are talking? And seeking peace? Sorry to joke here, but again- these are internet forums, people need to lighten up. Dean has aplogized to those he believes he offended. Are there any others willing to take that step or is it all Dean's fault? I'm just sick of this crap.

[ArnelRox]

I think Eric's intent was to apologize for accusing Perry die-hards of not being fans of Journey...when in fact they were simply not fans of Augeri. But maybe Eric himself can clarify...

& that has what to do w/what u say Dean said exactly?

[ArnelRox]

Yes, I want to believe in the sincerity. It’s not about being right but about getting along. It’s about change.

I have my fingers crossed.

Thank u Rusty. Very nice & sincere post.

[ohsherrie]

Ok, let's try this:

Altogether now 1 - 2 - 3....

All we are sa-ay-ing
Is give peace a chance

All we are sa-ay-ing
Is give peace a chance

All we are sa-ay-ing
Is give peace a chance



(sorry, that chant just started going through my head as I read this thread )

[CatEyes]

Why is it different, JRox?


(Will reply to your longer post later..)

No reply needed. It's different if I understand the intent b/c it was about Eric apologizing for not understanding the sentiments Perry-loons went thru at the loss of Perry. U have to realize that some of these Perry-loons (& I'm one, but not a militant one) go way too far in their Journey-hate.

very true ..... and many feel that deano has gone too far in his loon hate?

So what I am reading is that Deano has apologized to everyone but Perry fans?

Does that mean he gets to abuse Perry fans if he is in the mood, because the apology was never meant to include them, even to most Perry fans are Journey fans, Perry fans, buy Journey music and Journey sway and Perry fans by tix.

Andrew, can you hgive me an early ruling on this ..... I confuse so easily and just want to keep everything straight.