Why I Think Augieri Should Stay in Journey

[Mandi]

I understand why you feel the way you do about him,

You do? That's a start.


I won't change my mind about his tenure with Journey, either. I enjoyed the concerts I went to, and I loved the music.
Mandi

I loved the shows too until I found out.

I made some new friends, and had fun. Isn't that what its all about, in the end?

Not for me it isn't. I consider Journey to be a top tier musicianship band, and nothing else. To be that status, I expect them to play LIVE. They know they fucked up, and they fixed the problem. Everything is good now.

So to answer your question, no, that's not what it is all about. I cannot listen to Arrival, 13 or gens anylonger. To me it's tainted Bullshit. it was done by a fake. I can't be around it. To me, it's about doing your job, kicking ass doing your job, and doing it right, all of which Journey can do without tapes.

Dean,

I totally understand your frustration and anger with Steve Augeri and the whole tapegate thing. You have a lot of passion for this band, much more than I have, that is clear to me. That passion combined with your blatent honesty is what makes you such a dedicated fan and when you say something about Journey, I always stop and listen closely. You know your stuff, that is for sure. We are very different in our approach to things, however. I regard your opinions highly. Thank you for your response.

Mandi

[PROPERRY]

Lori, u & I must be stone deaf b/c I felt exactly the way u did about this song. But Monker tells me Perry couldn't sing & had lost it by 86. Do u think we're brainwashed & hearing impaired Lori? Should we be seeing shrinks & ENT specialists? Where's Granny? I know she'll react the same way too. Maybe we can get an MR package discount if we all go together?

He DID lose it in 86. Monker is right. he lost it according to his standards. You all forget, a Cplus Perry is as good as an Aplus Augeri. To his credit, Perry had the balls to step away because he felt he wasn't on his game. I respect that big time.

Lori, shut the fuck up. The Band didn't cut him off...well, they did, after they waited 10 fucking years for him to return. Get a grip on reality. And YOU have kids? Fuck, what a disaster that is. You make it seem like the band pushed Steve Perry to the fucking curb. Get a fucking clue, bitch.

First of all Deano, Perry did NOT lose his voice in 86, he just took a long break from all the touring he did for years, had NOTHING to do with voice issues, so get your history right Deano!

As for what I said about Perry & the band, I stated the facts, the band "let go" of Perry, if you have a problem with the facts, too bad Deano!!

Now go take your medication Deano, so you can gain some control with your mouth, & maybe even figure out what reality is!!!

Lori

[JeremyP]

""Very little info is being given to the fans right now. Where is Mr. Augeri? Why isn't he talking? Why aren't the band talking about it? Obviously, the answer is legal settlements. Lawyers tell people not to talk.""



I ask myself these questions almost every day. Where IS Steve Augeri? I would love to know. I would love to know each and every little detail about this entire mess from start to finish. So would everyone else.

I hope someday, some one with the truth and all the explanations will come fcrward and give it all up. I also know that won't happen. Even if it did happen, there will be the ones who will say it just isn't true. It is so hard to separate what is fact and what is rumor and heresay. I put most of my trust these days into what I read here, from Andrew and from Dean. The rest is purely speculation.

I hope Mr. Augeri does give Andrew an interview someday. Until that day, I will be content to listen to the music of Journey past, present and future. I love all of it. I refuse to let myself get sidelined by the bashing, trashing and speculations.

Mandi

My thoughts exactly.

[Matthew]

Lori, u & I must be stone deaf b/c I felt exactly the way u did about this song. But Monker tells me Perry couldn't sing & had lost it by 86. Do u think we're brainwashed & hearing impaired Lori? Should we be seeing shrinks & ENT specialists? Where's Granny? I know she'll react the same way too. Maybe we can get an MR package discount if we all go together?

He DID lose it in 86. Monker is right. he lost it according to his standards. You all forget, a Cplus Perry is as good as an Aplus Augeri. To his credit, Perry had the balls to step away because he felt he wasn't on his game. I respect that big time.

Lori, shut the fuck up. The Band didn't cut him off...well, they did, after they waited 10 fucking years for him to return. Get a grip on reality. And YOU have kids? Fuck, what a disaster that is. You make it seem like the band pushed Steve Perry to the fucking curb. Get a fucking clue, bitch.

First of all Deano, Perry did NOT lose his voice in 86, he just took a long break from all the touring he did for years, had NOTHING to do with voice issues, so get your history right Deano!

As for what I said about Perry & the band, I stated the facts, the band "let go" of Perry, if you have a problem with the facts, too bad Deano!!

Now go take your medication Deano, so you can gain some control with your mouth, & maybe even figure out what reality is!!!

Lori

Yes - come on Deano - let's hear those lousy performances from Perry. I'll give them a proper listen and be honest if I feel he did 'lose it' vocally.

[Enigma869]

It is? Perry himself said he was "Toast." I didn't mind the way he sounded, but I am just saying He himself set standards so high, they couldn't be met by himself.

Dean...

We've all heard Perry's comment about him being "Toast", and I'm quite sure he was not referring to any vocal abilities he had lost. In fact, he was quite clear when he made that statement that he was "toast" from being on the road year after year after year! Now, I do think it's quite evident that Perry's voice had become a bit "raspy" by the time Trial By Fire had rolled around. That said, I thought Perry sounded every bit as good on "When You Love A Woman" as he did on any other classic Journey song. Was his voice a bit different? Sure! Did it still sound Perry-like to me and superb? ABSOLUTELY!

As far as Augeri goes...When I listened to the 2001 DVD, I thought it was very good. I definitely thought Augeri had a much thinner voice than Perry and didn't have the soul of Perry, but, I still thought he sounded good. For me, I never used Perry as a barometer for how Augeri sounded, because I knew nobody was matching Perry, and I was okay with that. Unfortunately, it has been reported here that the 2001 DVD wasn't quite live, and I must admit that the fan in me was pissed off to learn that. I felt like I was duped, and that's never a good thing.

I thought "Arrival" was very good, and honestly, I think that if Perry were at the helm that "Higher Place" (and possibly more tracks) would have charted on the US pop charts. I think some of the material was classic Journey material with classic Journey melodies. Unfortunately for Journey, the industry wasn't going to accept the name "Journey", sans Perry, and I suspect that will never change, no matter how good any new material is!


John from Boston

[frostbite]

On a final note...I know I've mentioned it before, but if the boot of "Take Me Back To Ohio" intro to Faithfully Perry sang on the ROR tour could be uploaded again I think that would lay matters to rest about whether Perry could still cut it in 1986.

http://download.yousendit.com/F1ECD61D423670EF

Ur wish is my command master

You star! Shivers down my spine. That's Journey!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[heardonthestreet]

On a final note...I know I've mentioned it before, but if the boot of "Take Me Back To Ohio" intro to Faithfully Perry sang on the ROR tour could be uploaded again I think that would lay matters to rest about whether Perry could still cut it in 1986.

http://download.yousendit.com/F1ECD61D423670EF

Ur wish is my command master

You star! Shivers down my spine. That's Journey!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

................................

You bet, That's Journey!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Monker]

Ok, now show me in that quote where I said Perry couldn't sing. That is NOT what I said. I was commenting on how his voice change, and how the songs changed because of that, in fact how Journey itself changed. It SUCKED, and I would take ANY version of Journey over that era.

That doesn't mean he 'couldn't sing'. It means that I didn't like anything about how he DID sing, or how Journey sounded with him singing.

Well pardon me for interpreting comments like "rusty voice" & "sucks" as u thinking he couldn't sing. I didn't realize those were supposed to be flattering remarks

ANYBODY can 'sing'. I can sing, you can sing, even Dean can sing.

But, nobody can sing Perry did from 1978-1985...and that includes Steve Perry at any time past that. He lost those qualities in his voice that made him famous.

[Monker]

If you want to talk about Perry's abilities prior to ROR, then we can talk about how 'amazing' his vocals were. If you want to talk about ROR and after, we can talk about how much he changed, how much more raspy he became, how he had to lower the keys.

He had to lower the keys? So what? Is 'range' the sole criteria here?

No, so is tone and clarity and being able to sing Journey songs as they were written. If the Steve Perry of 1986 had joined Journey in 1978, I doubt that most of you Perry fans would BE Journey fans...because most of the songs from back then would not have been sung in the same way...probably not even written in the same, maybe not even written at all.

[Monker]

Singing Journey the way it was supposed to be sung? Oh ok Monker. You do know he sucked so bad that night in Vegas they re recorded his vocals in studio for that right? Yea, that is how Journey should be sung.

I do agree with you that the speed up in 86 was not a great idea and I would like a singers input...is it weasier to sing sped up songs? Less time to hod notes? The words run together more thus you don't have to be clear?

The bottom line for me is that Steve Perry didn't deserve the job back in 1996. That was my opinion even before the reunion, and it is my opinion today. Who took his place is irrelevent to that opinion.

[Saint John]

If you want to talk about Perry's abilities prior to ROR, then we can talk about how 'amazing' his vocals were. If you want to talk about ROR and after, we can talk about how much he changed, how much more raspy he became, how he had to lower the keys.

He had to lower the keys? So what? Is 'range' the sole criteria here?

No, so is tone and clarity and being able to sing Journey songs as they were written. If the Steve Perry of 1986 had joined Journey in 1978, I doubt that most of you Perry fans would BE Journey fans...because most of the songs from back then would not have been sung in the same way...probably not even written in the same, maybe not even written at all.

"If" my aunt had balls, she'd be my uncle.

[Distant Voice]

If you want to talk about Perry's abilities prior to ROR, then we can talk about how 'amazing' his vocals were. If you want to talk about ROR and after, we can talk about how much he changed, how much more raspy he became, how he had to lower the keys.

He had to lower the keys? So what? Is 'range' the sole criteria here?

No, so is tone and clarity and being able to sing Journey songs as they were written. If the Steve Perry of 1986 had joined Journey in 1978, I doubt that most of you Perry fans would BE Journey fans...because most of the songs from back then would not have been sung in the same way...probably not even written in the same, maybe not even written at all.

"If" my aunt had balls, she'd be my uncle.

LMAO... ...Thanks !!

[Monker]

He was definitely better at the start of the ROR tour.

THAT is true. There was a point in there that 'something' happened and his voice just went south. I think froy even pointed out when that was.

[Monker]

Ok, let me ask you this.

Did he leave Journey with class? Lipping to the Perry songs, not taking his settlement, stalling the divorce, whatever.

Now you all know why I say this guy is anything BUT classy?

Now, let me ask you this...

Besides Gregg Rolie, what member of any significance has EVER left Journey 'with class'?

[Distant Voice]

Lori, u & I must be stone deaf b/c I felt exactly the way u did about this song. But Monker tells me Perry couldn't sing & had lost it by 86. Do u think we're brainwashed & hearing impaired Lori? Should we be seeing shrinks & ENT specialists? Where's Granny? I know she'll react the same way too. Maybe we can get an MR package discount if we all go together?

He DID lose it in 86. Monker is right. he lost it according to his standards. You all forget, a Cplus Perry is as good as an Aplus Augeri. To his credit, Perry had the balls to step away because he felt he wasn't on his game. I respect that big time.

Lori, shut the fuck up. The Band didn't cut him off...well, they did, after they waited 10 fucking years for him to return. Get a grip on reality. And YOU have kids? Fuck, what a disaster that is. You make it seem like the band pushed Steve Perry to the fucking curb. Get a fucking clue, bitch.

First of all Deano, Perry did NOT lose his voice in 86, he just took a long break from all the touring he did for years, had NOTHING to do with voice issues, so get your history right Deano!

As for what I said about Perry & the band, I stated the facts, the band "let go" of Perry, if you have a problem with the facts, too bad Deano!!

Now go take your medication Deano, so you can gain some control with your mouth, & maybe even figure out what reality is!!!

Lori

I know alot of the music goers have no idea what awaits behind closed doors for the stars on stage... Things you have to consider is in 1986, was the mental condition of Steve...Steve lost his mother Dec 1985...stress had been overloading his thoughts for some time... management wanted to add more tour dates...the band was NOT GETTING ALONG very well...it seemed everything was spinning out of control for everyone involved...Anchorage, Alaska was the breaking point, it was time to just STOP!!!

[ohsosoto]

AR stated that the bands of that era couldn't sell platinum. what would it take to do so now with some of our favorite bands from that era?
change their style and lose their birthmark? attempt to keep up with the jones's and be considered as sell outs to the newer music styles? what's your
thoughts?

[Monker]

AR stated that the bands of that era couldn't sell platinum. what would it take to do so now with some of our favorite bands from that era?
change their style and lose their birthmark? attempt to keep up with the jones's and be considered as sell outs to the newer music styles? what's your
thoughts?

The same thing it would take for a band from the 50's to have a huge selling album of new songs in the 80's.

It won't happen.

[ohsosoto]

DAMN, MONKER
you just made 20 years flash before my eyes! all this time and i thought it was still 1987!!!!
now i'm forced to grow up and be 40! that does, in a way, kinda suck! however, my girls think that all the music that i do listen to is
new and they look for it on the "newer radio stations." i'm raising such classics!

[ohsherrie]

If you want to talk about Perry's abilities prior to ROR, then we can talk about how 'amazing' his vocals were. If you want to talk about ROR and after, we can talk about how much he changed, how much more raspy he became, how he had to lower the keys.

He had to lower the keys? So what? Is 'range' the sole criteria here?

No, so is tone and clarity and being able to sing Journey songs as they were written. If the Steve Perry of 1986 had joined Journey in 1978, I doubt that most of you Perry fans would BE Journey fans...because most of the songs from back then would not have been sung in the same way...probably not even written in the same, maybe not even written at all.

I'm not really understanding your point here. Are you saying Steve would never have been in Journey if he had his deeper range when he tried out, or that we wouldn't like him in Journey because of his deeper voice?

If he had been in Journey with the lower voice to begin with I think I'd still be a Journey fan because I prefer the lower range. I like Steve's overall vocal sound on StreetTalk, ROR, FTLOSM and TBF better than any of the earlier albums.

If he hadn't been in Journey, but recorded on his own with his '86 voice I'd still be a Perry fan. I don't know if I'd be a Journey fan because I don't know what they'd have sounded like. I doubt I'd be as big a Journey fan because it was the voice that hooked me. Not because of the high notes, they were just icing on the cake.

If you prefer a shallow, albeit good "sing along with the tune" kind of voice to a rich, soulful, emotive resonance, then I guess Augeri's your man. There's no accounting for taste.

[JeremyP]

If he had been in Journey with the lower voice to begin with I think I'd still be a Journey fan because I prefer the lower range. I like Steve's overall vocal sound on StreetTalk, ROR, FTLOSM and TBF better than any of the earlier albums.

I also enjoy Perry's voice as it's gotten lower with age because I feel he's gained more depth and soul. I think he's been really lucky because a lot of singers from the 70's have taken on a vocal tone as they aged which may not be so pleasing on the ears. I think he's super lucky.

If you prefer a shallow, albeit good "sing along with the tune" kind of voice to a rich, soulful, emotive resonance, then I guess Augeri's your man. There's no accounting for taste.

Those of us that prefer Augeri don't hear him as shallow. We enjoy him as much you enjoy Perry. That's not saying we don't think Perry is amazing and great, because I know I do. We just have differing opinions based on our own, totally valid, reasons. People have reasons why the prefer Perry and others have reasons why they prefer Augeri and it's all good.

Like two people prefering different flavors of ice cream. Some love chocolate, some don't. Some love Strawberry, others swear only by vanilla. (I'm a neopolitan man myself )

Edit for spelling and format because people don't "LIVE" strawberry....they "LOVE" it. lol

[Rockindeano]

Ok, let me ask you this.

Did he leave Journey with class? Lipping to the Perry songs, not taking his settlement, stalling the divorce, whatever.

Now you all know why I say this guy is anything BUT classy?

Now, let me ask you this...

Besides Gregg Rolie, what member of any significance has EVER left Journey 'with class'?

Steve Smith.

[Rockindeano]

Enigma, PROPERRY, and Matthew; Are all of you retarded?


Did I ever say Perry had a bad boot, Matthew? Did I ever say Perry couldn't sing? No and no.


All I said is towards the end of the tour, it was definitely catching up to him. You people are fuckin looney. You read waaaay too much into shit. I NEVER once said perry couldn't sing, BUT yes, he was decling due to the magnitude of that ROR tour, to be sure. I am sure all he need was rest.

[Andrew]

AR stated that the bands of that era couldn't sell platinum. what would it take to do so now with some of our favorite bands from that era?

Great songs and PROMOTION. Live appearances, media saturation and a record label that believes in the product.

If Bob Seger and Bob Dylan can have Top 10 albums in 2006, then anyone - ESPECIALLY Journey can.

[ArnelRox]

Great songs and PROMOTION. Live appearances, media saturation and a record label that believes in the product.

If Bob Seger and Bob Dylan can have Top 10 albums in 2006, then anyone - ESPECIALLY Journey can.

I think they can do it w/Jeff. But they do need a record label, right?

[Mrs H]

The thing is Steve Augeri is NOT going to stay in Journey and doesn't have a choice in ther matter. Why keep someone around who cannot do his job adequately, retards the bands progress, and limits its' potential?

Steve, I do know some high ranking people in Lowes. Perhaps I can give them a call on your behalf?

How do you know he hasn't made a choice already?
Regarding Lowe's, FUCK YOU and the abusive people in your life that made you so fucking mean.

[Clasicrockldy]

The thing is Steve Augeri is NOT going to stay in Journey and doesn't have a choice in ther matter. Why keep someone around who cannot do his job adequately, retards the bands progress, and limits its' potential?

Steve, I do know some high ranking people in Lowes. Perhaps I can give them a call on your behalf?

How do you know he hasn't made a choice already?
Regarding Lowe's, FUCK YOU and the abusive people in your life that made you so fucking mean.

Here we go.......... someone defending Augeri.........

Look......... it all comes down to that Augeri was caught lipping. There is no way on this fucking earth Journey would keep him. He can't do the job. End of story.

[Mrs H]

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Here we go.......... someone defending Augeri.........

Look......... it all comes down to that Augeri was caught lipping. There is no way on this fucking earth Journey would keep him. He can't do the job. End of story.

Here we go........someone making the mistake of misinterpreting a comment as an Augeri defense........

I guess there aren't too many bright crayons logged in right now.....

[Clasicrockldy]

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Here we go.......... someone defending Augeri.........

Look......... it all comes down to that Augeri was caught lipping. There is no way on this fucking earth Journey would keep him. He can't do the job. End of story.

Here we go........someone making the mistake of misinterpreting a comment as an Augeri defense........

I guess there aren't too many bright crayons logged in right now.....

And you being one of them, dearie !

[Mrs H]

now THAT Is funny!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
you obviously don't know me

[RedWingFan]

Fuck Red Wing.

Nice game today. 2-9 and going to 2-10 next week.

You are a bitch dude. Never laugh at anything. What are you, religeous?

Thanks, I thought we actually played pretty well, surprisingly. By the way did you see the rediculous call by the officials. One of S.D. receivers made the catch falls untouched gets up and spins the ball like a fool, Raiders recover. The refs rule that it was a catch and an illegal forward pass by the receiver. What a joke.
Anyway, I happen to be a Christian. I have commented on some of you funny stuff in the past. I laugh at so much of this forum that it's rediculous. Your comment about HOTS, would have been funny if I were still in the 7th grade. Maybe I would have laughed if you were defending me. Don't know.