Why I don't think Augeri should stay in Journey

[ArnelRox]

I really like Augeri's take on Message of Love...

Not me. I loved Jeff's version tho.

JSS singing Faithfully gave me goosebumps

Me too. I only hope I get to see him do that live some time. Maybe he & Deen could switch up some other songs.

[JeremyP]

Are you sure that was an audience boot Susie? It sounded like soundboard to me, and identical to the vegas dvd.

I really don't mean to frustrate you or anyone else. I just like the way the man sings.

I listened to the whole song and had a huge grin on my face because of how great I thought it sounded. It made me happy to listen to it and I guess that's the whole point of music in the first place, so thank you for that.

I'm being sincere btw, no sarcasm intended in the least.

I personally don't see how that sounded bad at all, and if I said I preferred Perry's live version of the song I'd be lying.

I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. Nothing wrong with that.


Here's a stupid little mashup I made of Perry/Augeri Journey doing "Only The Young".

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=D4449GN9

The Perry version is from a soundboard boot of the ROR tour and the Augeri version is from an audience boot of the Arrival tour.

[Rockindeano]

First off Jeremy, a Perry soundboard versus an Augeri Audience boot isn't fair. Perry really sounds like that live...with Augeri, you don't know what you are getting...pro tooled or CD...who the fuck knows.

Augeri should forever be banned to sing for money ever again.

[JeremyP]

I really like Augeri's take on Message of Love...

I love the way he sings the bridge. Especially when he sings, "and still i'm bliiiind". I think he nails that particular phrase better than Perry did on the album.

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=IUFWI7TT (example from 2001)

[ArnelRox]

Are you sure that was an audience boot Susie? It sounded like soundboard to me, and identical to the vegas dvd.

It's NOT the same.

I really don't mean to frustrate you or anyone else. I just like the way the man sings.

I listened to the whole song and had a huge grin on my face because of how great I thought it sounded. It made me happy to listen to it and I guess that's the whole point of music in the first place, so thank you for that.

No offense Jeremy but u should quit performing music right now or get some musical training. If u can't hear the number of times Augeri goes flat, sharp or strains on that song, something is seriously wrong. He's sharp on the 1st "time" (in time to get on up before the song starts), strains on "fool", he's flat on "break me" the 2nd time around, wayyy flat on "moving" & "on" the 2nd time he sings it, off key on "give" and straining on "I'm ok" & "I'll break away", "leaving, leaving", totally messes up "on my way" right after that & doesn't even come close to getting "want you" in "want you to stay", goes sharp on the next "on", strains on "escape" & almost loses his voice out on the next "on my way". I'm not a musician. I have a decent ear. I can hear this. U should be able to as well.

Tell me this one is "great" too & doesn't sound different than the DVD:

Stone In Love: http://download.yousendit.com/54BF56E14DC333AC

[JeremyP]

I heard all the things you mentioned. If he sounded that way through the entire song I would definitely agree with you.

I'm gonna do a comparison later of the dvd vs the clip you sent me. I'll listen really really hard for differences.

Are you sure sure sure that it's an audience bootleg?

Edit: Didn't notice the link for Stone in Love, downloading now.

[ArnelRox]

Here's a stupid little mashup I made of Perry/Augeri Journey doing "Only The Young".

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=D4449GN9

The Perry version is from a soundboard boot of the ROR tour and the Augeri version is from an audience boot of the Arrival tour.

U have GOT to be kidding if u think Augeri's version is better? I admit this is Perry's WORST live song of all time. He NEVER did a good job on it live compared to other songs. But at least he is ON key, hitting every note, never sharp, never flat. Just listen to Augeri's "any" & sharp "thunder". He demolishes "why", is sharp on "golden age" straining his ass off to get notes he can't reach. Listen to his "young" when u go back to him! OUCH. That hurt my ears. Yes Perry warbles here, but he's on key & it's not painful although it is CERTAINLY NOT his best work live.

Oh well at least we're talking about Journey's music. It's been a while

[ArnelRox]

I heard all the things you mentioned. If he sounded that way through the entire song I would definitely agree with you.

Jeremy, why would u think he'd be off the whole way thru the song? I'm not saying Augeri could never sing. He was a damn good singer. I have an ok voice. If I sang that song, I'd have the same problems as him (& some others as I'm not as good as he was). I would be off in much of the same places he's off. But I'd sound great in other places where my voice is able to go. Surely u know this much about the art of singing?

[Deb]

Here ya go....JSS singing Faithfully 2006.

http://download.yousendit.com/2AB0257A228430BC

What else are u hoarding for the winter up there in Canada? U got Open Arms from that nite?

Deb, that was his 1st nite out right? Man it's awesome. That guy totally rocks.

LMAO, yep.... those Perry and JSS vocals melting the snow quite nicely up here.

JSS - Open Arms (I think this is from San Diego)

http://download.yousendit.com/EDD852020F1F321D

Here is one of Perry singing Stay Awhile in 1995, have to say IMO his delivery is just as great here as it ever was. Hmmm, I'd like to here JSS sing Stay Awhile.

http://download.yousendit.com/D7772C8E08645F37

[JeremyP]

LMAO, yep.... those Perry and JSS vocals melting the snow quite nicely up here.

JSS - Open Arms (I think this is from San Diego)

http://download.yousendit.com/EDD852020F1F321D

Here is one of Perry singing Stay Awhile in 1995, have to say IMO his delivery is just as great here as it ever was. Hmmm, I'd like to here JSS sing Stay Awhile.

http://download.yousendit.com/D7772C8E08645F37

I love that version of "Stay Awhile" by Perry.

[JeremyP]

Jeremy, why would u think he'd be off the whole way thru the song? I'm not saying Augeri could never sing. He was a damn good singer. I have an ok voice. If I sang that song, I'd have the same problems as him (& some others as I'm not as good as he was). I would be off in much of the same places he's off. But I'd sound great in other places where my voice is able to go. Surely u know this much about the art of singing?

I think I misunderstood you Susie, and I'm really sorry. I thought you were saying Steve A. was never good and I couldn't understand why you felt that way. Again, I'm really sorry to have been mistaken like that.

I don't think anybody seriously thinks that Steve isn't having/didn't have some serious vocal problems over the last couple of tours at least. The guy was toast and NEEDED some time off to recuperate y'know? Not only for the performance's sake but for his health's sake.

I'm in agreement there.

As for what I know about singing, I can't carry a tune in a bucket. I'm just commenting on what I feel is Perry's vibrato....shakiness....warblyness....as opposed to Steve A's smoother, warmer delivery when he was on top of it vocally.

This is not to say that I don't love Perry's vocals. I just happen to have an opinion as to who I, most of the time, prefer and am trying to be really fair and honest in showing examples and discussing it which is fun for me.

Just because I have a different opinion doesn't make me automatically less of a fan or a crappy musician does it?

(I know you don't think it does, that was just rhetorical.)

Edited twice for spelling. Man I need to proofread these things before I click submit. lol

[Enigma869]

Jesus...That 2006 recording from Augeri was actually uncomfortable to listen to! That's about as bad of a version of that song as I've ever heard. You could clearly hear he was struggling, mightily...even on the low notes! Too bad nobody can find a recording of Jeff belting out Faithfully with Journey! I'd really LOVE to hear that. Perhaps someone has it somewhere stored away in their audio vault. We can always hope!

John from Boston

Here ya go....JSS singing Faithfully 2006.

http://download.yousendit.com/2AB0257A228430BC

Hey Deb...

Where were you hiding this gem? Thanks for coming through for me! Because Deen seems to sing Faithfully so much, finding a recording with Jeff has been tough to find. Considering it's a boot, he really sounded great. I think Jeff has grown into these songs a bit, because the first few boots I heard with Jeff in Journey were VERY rough and it really sounded as if he was struggling to hit the notes. I didn't detect any of that with Faithfully or Open Arms (A song I despise!). Thanks again for posting!

John from Boston

[larryfromnextdoor]

Jesus...That 2006 recording from Augeri was actually uncomfortable to listen to! That's about as bad of a version of that song as I've ever heard. You could clearly hear he was struggling, mightily...even on the low notes! Too bad nobody can find a recording of Jeff belting out Faithfully with Journey! I'd really LOVE to hear that. Perhaps someone has it somewhere stored away in their audio vault. We can always hope!

John from Boston

Here ya go....JSS singing Faithfully 2006.

http://download.yousendit.com/2AB0257A228430BC

Hey Deb...

Where were you hiding this gem? Thanks for coming through for me! Because Deen seems to sing Faithfully so much, finding a recording with Jeff has been tough to find. Considering it's a boot, he really sounded great. I think Jeff has grown into these songs a bit, because the first few boots I heard with Jeff in Journey were VERY rough and it really sounded as if he was struggling to hit the notes. I didn't detect any of that with Faithfully or Open Arms (A song I despise!). Thanks again for posting!

John from Boston

no fooling deb!! i havent heard this ... uhh,, its great!! is this when deen was out sick and deens drum tech played,, is deen on this cut???

[JeremyP]

I'd love to hear JSS sing "Troubled Child". I think that's too good of a song not to be played live and I think Jeff would sound really good on it.

[Red13JoePa]

First off Jeremy, a Perry soundboard versus an Augeri Audience boot isn't fair. Perry really sounds like that live...with Augeri, you don't know what you are getting...pro tooled or CD...who the fuck knows.

MMMMmmmmm....EVERY tour?

[ohsherrie]

Thanks for the downloads of Faithfully and OA Deb.

It takes so long to download on this dialup that I haven't had a chance to listen to all the comparisons, so I can't really participate in the discussion of them.

[JohnH]

Uncle Joe stated that Perry sounds as good as he did "in the mid 80's" Uncle Joe is a pretty well respected guy who has, at times, been accused of being pretty easy on his interviewees. Regardless, Perry has been in a recording studio, per Uncle Joe. He went on to say that he was "no more than 8 feet away" and Perry was absolutely amazing.

Uncle Joe also quashed rumors of the band's extensive use of tapes.
Yet again, this is a case of fans knowing more than the insiders.

Remember folks, Uncle Joe is no more than a mouthpiece and paid publicity agent for any of these artists. He, like Bob Coburn of Rockline is never going to come out with anything truthful about negative subjects about any of these bands. You will never hear Bob or Joe say anything negative at all. They would never say, anything like" looks like Steve Perry just can't sing like he used to". It's always, "hey here's a new song, this is really great," or "that recent concert was fantastic!" "You look great". You'll never hear words like "his voice is shot" "can't sing like he used to", it's just great great great ra ra ra, etc...

JH

[Crazie Scarab]

As great as JSS and SA are and were! nobody can compare with Steve Perry - FACT.

Thanks for that little piece of information there, Captain Obvious!

[ArnelRox]

I think I misunderstood you Susie, and I'm really sorry. I thought you were saying Steve A. was never good and I couldn't understand why you felt that way. Again, I'm really sorry to have been mistaken like that.

Back in the Tall Stories days w/those songs written for his voice, Augeri was great. Sister of Mercy will always be up there on my list of great songs.

I don't think anybody seriously thinks that Steve isn't having/didn't have some serious vocal problems over the last couple of tours at least. The guy was toast and NEEDED some time off to recuperate y'know? Not only for the performance's sake but for his health's sake.

Sure then why didn't he take it? It was always up to him u know. No one could force him to lipsynch. BTW, his voice is GONE, not just recuperating. It's GONE.

I'm just commenting on what I feel is Perry's vibrato....shakiness....warblyness....as opposed to Steve A's smoother, warmer delivery when he was on top of it vocally.

I don't why but this comment really gets my back up. Augeri's smoother warmer delivery on Journey's songs? That's sacreligious to me. I just can't & have never heard that. He always sounded so nasally, so weak, so much like he was straining. Perry's voice is recognizable even hidden in background vocals. It's strong, it's special. It's just unique. Like Elvis, he will have many imitators, some good, some mediocre, but he will never be equalled. Please tell me u downloaded the Patiently example I put up of Perry the other day. I don't think the best opera singers could compete w/that. It's perfection.

Just because I have a different opinion doesn't make me automatically less of a fan or a crappy musician does it?

If u said u liked Augeri's voice & his style, I could perfectly well accept that. But to suggest his delivery is better than Perry's, to me that does call into question ur ability to hear music. My husband prefers Augeri on stage (there's no accounting for taste). He never really liked Perry. But even he says that Perry's voice still gives him goosebumps b/c it's just so remarkable. Perry's voice is one of the greatest voices we will hear in our lifetime. Of that, I'm quite sure.

[Vladan]

Bloody hell. Look Perry was a better frontman, singer, showman. I don't care if Perry had an off night, the man co wrote and made those songs his - the signature sound what you hear on CD's is what the masses will hear and know. Live is all good and well, but not everyone can see a LIVE show - I much prefer the albums!.

[ArnelRox]

Bloody hell. Look Perry was a better frontman, singer, showman. I don't care if Perry had an off night, the man co wrote and made those songs his - the signature sound what you hear on CD's is what the masses will hear and know. Live is all good and well, but not everyone can see a LIVE show - I much prefer the albums!.

I agree w/everything up to the live part. To me Perry was even better live than on an album.

[Deb]

Bloody hell. Look Perry was a better frontman, singer, showman. I don't care if Perry had an off night, the man co wrote and made those songs his - the signature sound what you hear on CD's is what the masses will hear and know. Live is all good and well, but not everyone can see a LIVE show - I much prefer the albums!.

I agree w/everything up to the live part. To me Perry was even better live than on an album.

I agree!

Live - Open the Door.

http://download.yousendit.com/AA83DE1744BAD17A

[larryfromnextdoor]

Bloody hell. Look Perry was a better frontman, singer, showman. I don't care if Perry had an off night, the man co wrote and made those songs his - the signature sound what you hear on CD's is what the masses will hear and know. Live is all good and well, but not everyone can see a LIVE show - I much prefer the albums!.

I agree w/everything up to the live part. To me Perry was even better live than on an album.

I agree!

Live - Open the Door.

http://download.yousendit.com/AA83DE1744BAD17A

great way to enjoy the night!! super cool version...... i used to listen to this (studio version) MANY years ago at night in my car.......... t- tops off ,, dark ... LOUD. each time i waited for perry to hit the high note "alone",, ..Infinity.. good times. thanks Strungout...

[Clasicrockldy]

Jesus...That 2006 recording from Augeri was actually uncomfortable to listen to! That's about as bad of a version of that song as I've ever heard. You could clearly hear he was struggling, mightily...even on the low notes! Too bad nobody can find a recording of Jeff belting out Faithfully with Journey! I'd really LOVE to hear that. Perhaps someone has it somewhere stored away in their audio vault. We can always hope!

John from Boston

Here ya go....JSS singing Faithfully 2006.

http://download.yousendit.com/2AB0257A228430BC

Hey Deb...

Where were you hiding this gem? Thanks for coming through for me! Because Deen seems to sing Faithfully so much, finding a recording with Jeff has been tough to find. Considering it's a boot, he really sounded great. I think Jeff has grown into these songs a bit, because the first few boots I heard with Jeff in Journey were VERY rough and it really sounded as if he was struggling to hit the notes. I didn't detect any of that with Faithfully or Open Arms (A song I despise!). Thanks again for posting!

John from Boston

Hey John,

Have you ever gone over to Guitars101? If you haven't, you sure are missing the Journey boots that are posted there ! I do have the whole San Diego show ( and I believe Deb does too ! ).

Here is the link for Guitars.........

http://www.guitars101.com/vb/bootlegs-other-bands/

Have fun looking at all the boots that are available out there !

[Granny]

Jesus...That 2006 recording from Augeri was actually uncomfortable to listen to! That's about as bad of a version of that song as I've ever heard. You could clearly hear he was struggling, mightily...even on the low notes! Too bad nobody can find a recording of Jeff belting out Faithfully with Journey! I'd really LOVE to hear that. Perhaps someone has it somewhere stored away in their audio vault. We can always hope!

John from Boston

Here ya go....JSS singing Faithfully 2006.

http://download.yousendit.com/2AB0257A228430BC

Hey Deb...

Where were you hiding this gem? Thanks for coming through for me! Because Deen seems to sing Faithfully so much, finding a recording with Jeff has been tough to find. Considering it's a boot, he really sounded great. I think Jeff has grown into these songs a bit, because the first few boots I heard with Jeff in Journey were VERY rough and it really sounded as if he was struggling to hit the notes. I didn't detect any of that with Faithfully or Open Arms (A song I despise!). Thanks again for posting!

John from Boston

Hey John,

Have you ever gone over to Guitars101? If you haven't, you sure are missing the Journey boots that are posted there ! I do have the whole San Diego show ( and I believe Deb does too ! ).

Here is the link for Guitars.........

http://www.guitars101.com/vb/bootlegs-other-bands/

Have fun looking at all the boots that are available out there !

CRL..I was just getting ready to ask u where u got all the boots u have and then u posted this...i am registered there but could never figure out that site, but ur post helped alot....thanks....Just downloaded some Queen stuff, but do u have to wait 79 min. to download more? do u purchase or just wait? curious...i 'm going to wait and try again...G

[ArnelRox]

CRL..I was just getting ready to ask u where u got all the boots u have and then u posted this...i am registered there but could never figure out that site, but ur post helped alot....thanks....Just downloaded some Queen stuff, but do u have to wait 79 min. to download more? do u purchase or just wait? curious...i 'm going to wait and try again...G

Granny just keep trying. Don't buy nothing!

[Liam]

Jesus...That 2006 recording from Augeri was actually uncomfortable to listen to! That's about as bad of a version of that song as I've ever heard. You could clearly hear he was struggling, mightily...even on the low notes! Too bad nobody can find a recording of Jeff belting out Faithfully with Journey! I'd really LOVE to hear that. Perhaps someone has it somewhere stored away in their audio vault. We can always hope!

John from Boston

Here ya go....JSS singing Faithfully 2006.

http://download.yousendit.com/2AB0257A228430BC

Hey Deb...

Where were you hiding this gem? Thanks for coming through for me! Because Deen seems to sing Faithfully so much, finding a recording with Jeff has been tough to find. Considering it's a boot, he really sounded great. I think Jeff has grown into these songs a bit, because the first few boots I heard with Jeff in Journey were VERY rough and it really sounded as if he was struggling to hit the notes. I didn't detect any of that with Faithfully or Open Arms (A song I despise!). Thanks again for posting!

John from Boston

Hey John,

Have you ever gone over to Guitars101? If you haven't, you sure are missing the Journey boots that are posted there ! I do have the whole San Diego show ( and I believe Deb does too ! ).

Here is the link for Guitars.........

http://www.guitars101.com/vb/bootlegs-other-bands/

Have fun looking at all the boots that are available out there !

CRL..I was just getting ready to ask u where u got all the boots u have and then u posted this...i am registered there but could never figure out that site, but ur post helped alot....thanks....Just downloaded some Queen stuff, but do u have to wait 79 min. to download more? do u purchase or just wait? curious...i 'm going to wait and try again...G

Hey Granny, the 79 minute wait is pretty much only for Rapidshare. I've never had a problem with it with megaupload or the yousendit (unless it was dated) stuff.
Cool site though, ain't it?