Would it be a good idea for JRNY to crank out another 'EP'?

[*Laura]

Off Topic:If only they (Journey) could find a producer that would be a combo between Elson,Shirley and Lange!
Elson for the quality and intensity of the songs,Shirley for the majestic sound and detailed production and Lange for the platinum and the doors he can open.
I wonder what Journey wants,really?

On Topic:no EP,but a full album.A single promoted on the radio prior to the release would do miracles.

[JeremyP]

Off Topic:If only they (Journey) could find a producer that would be a combo between Elson,Shirley and Lange!
Elson for the quality and intensity of the songs,Shirley for the majestic sound and detailed production and Lange for the platinum and the doors he can open.
I wonder what Journey wants,really?

On Topic:no EP,but a full album.A single promoted on the radio prior to the release would do miracles.

We should start a Journey Payola Fund so we can get a break from all the rap/bubblegum pop we're subjected to these days.

I'm afraid that's what it would take to get the attention of the people who make radio playlists.


We could call it "Journey's Payola Pot".

[*Laura]

We should start a Journey Payola Fund so we can get a break from all the rap/bubblegum pop we're subjected to these days.

I'm afraid that's what it would take to get the attention of the people who make radio playlists.


We could call it "Journey's Payola Pot".

I play Journey for free on my FM shows. Seriously.No payola in my country.(Yet.)

Well,if that's what it takes to promote a rock song on the radio these days,they should go for it.
I guess everyone does it in order to get their music to the masses.

[JeremyP]

Well,if that's what it takes to promote a rock song on the radio these days,they should go for it.
I guess everyone does it in order to get their music to the masses.

That's awesome, I wish there was no payola here either. I radio was like it was in the 70's. Experimental and not so money oriented.

[ohsherrie]

...If it ended up not being well received that might be discouraging, whereas with a whole CD there's so much more to choose from.

there's also a chance that there could be too much crap. Just becasue someone puts out a whole CD doesn't mean that it's all great or even pretty good. Witness Generations. That was just all over the place.


NEW bands often start with EP's. It get's them record company notice, that in turn leads to record deals. Why can't they go about it as if they are in this position? What have they got to lose at this point? If they put out a whole CD of songs, then people will expect them to tour again for that CD, and with the schedule that Jeff has with Talisman and the Euro dates already, why push the limits anymore than they already are? I could stand to have a summer without Journey for the first time in how many years, touring. I'd rather they have MORE material when the come back around, and that they actually play some of that material, instead of the same old OLD songs we're accustomed to hearing in concert.

And yes, I've said it before, I'll say it again, I agree on Mutt Lange coming in.

Good points. I guess it could go either way as far as an EP vs a CD. I'd really like to hear something new even on an EP and if it could get industry attention it might help pave the way for a full CD to get more recognition.

Yes, Mutt Lange would be the best of all possible producers, IMO. He seems to respect the artists that he works with enough to let them be themselves but guides them to be the best they can be.

[Andrew]

Give us a taste of what's to come with 4 or 5 new songs to hold us over till 2008? Make it available exclusively on line thru Itunes or something....see what the public reaction will be...

NO NO NO NO NO AND NO.

NO MORE BLOODY EP'S!!!!!!!!!!!

I HATE EPS!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ArnelRox]

NO NO NO NO NO AND NO.

NO MORE BLOODY EP'S!!!!!!!!!!!

I HATE EPS!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm w/Andrew all the way. EPs are a waste of time. Go in the studio, make a real good album, release it & promote the hell out of it.

[ohsherrie]

Give us a taste of what's to come with 4 or 5 new songs to hold us over till 2008? Make it available exclusively on line thru Itunes or something....see what the public reaction will be...

NO NO NO NO NO AND NO.

NO MORE BLOODY EP'S!!!!!!!!!!!

I HATE EPS!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh........., well then......, Ok there boss.

[KCfla]

Journey needs Mutt Lange. He "gets it," not to mention everything he touches turns platinum. He seems to able to egt the best out of his artists. Although a bit dated, I watched the movie about Def Leppard and it chronicled the influence he had on Hysteria, the album. From then, til now, he just has an ear for what "Pop culture" wants to hear. Couple that with the talent Journey has in its current lineup and you have a band that CAN be musically relevant again. Radiopaly may also bring back some of the disenfranchised fans who've been on the sidelines for quite some time. Not to mention that they can, for the first time in years, go and do a promotional blitz (TV shows like Leno, Letterman...and morning shows like "Today").

Well, the only problem with getting Mutt into the studio is he's working exclusively with Shania now. Even the Lep's can't get him to come in and produce ( Not that I've heard that they've really tried, but that's what they've said in interviews when asked)
He doesn't need the stress/money/accolades anymore. He's had more than his share, and probably would just rather deal with the wife/stay home with the kidlet now. He's truly a recluse- and likes it that way. But your right- whatever he's touched has turned to "gold".

[JeremyP]

Well, the only problem with getting Mutt into the studio is he's working exclusively with Shania now. Even the Lep's can't get him to come in and produce ( Not that I've heard that they've really tried, but that's what they've said in interviews when asked)
He doesn't need the stress/money/accolades anymore. He's had more than his share, and probably would just rather deal with the wife/stay home with the kidlet now. He's truly a recluse- and likes it that way. But your right- whatever he's touched has turned to "gold".

I think he produced Def Leppard's lead single "Promises" from their "Euphoria" album, but that's as far as it went.

I really think that album is their best recent work.

[KCfla]

Well, the only problem with getting Mutt into the studio is he's working exclusively with Shania now. Even the Lep's can't get him to come in and produce ( Not that I've heard that they've really tried, but that's what they've said in interviews when asked)
He doesn't need the stress/money/accolades anymore. He's had more than his share, and probably would just rather deal with the wife/stay home with the kidlet now. He's truly a recluse- and likes it that way. But your right- whatever he's touched has turned to "gold".

I think he produced Def Leppard's lead single "Promises" from their "Euphoria" album, but that's as far as it went.

I really think that album is their best recent work.

No- He wrote three songs with them. "Promises", "All Night" and"It's Only Love" from that album to be exact.
Euphoria was produced by Peter Woodroffe ( and the Leps themselves). That's the guy that's assisted on their last few albums ( post-Mutt).

I know- TMI for the Journey board Just trying to clarify............

[Melissa]

Give us a taste of what's to come with 4 or 5 new songs to hold us over till 2008? Make it available exclusively on line thru Itunes or something....see what the public reaction will be...

I'll take anything from them with Jeff on it at anytime. I'd love a live one from this tour

But I'll just wait as patiently as I can for whatever they decide to give us.

[The_Noble_Cause]

If it's between getting a good hard rocking record like Generations, rated a 91 on a 100 scale by the CEO here, with Elson at the helm or a Shirley-helmed snoozefest like the majority of TBF and getting on a big label, I'll take the real rock effort that a JSS included Elson produced album will yield.

You're selectively invoking good reviews to score cheap points.
You fail to mention that Drew also rated that "Shirley-helmed snoozefest" quite highly.

"Generations" has more rock songs, but TBF is the all-around superior album by far.

[NealIsGod]

If it's between getting a good hard rocking record like Generations, rated a 91 on a 100 scale by the CEO here, with Elson at the helm or a Shirley-helmed snoozefest like the majority of TBF and getting on a big label, I'll take the real rock effort that a JSS included Elson produced album will yield.

You're selectively invoking good reviews to score cheap points.
You fail to mention that Drew also rated that "Shirley-helmed snoozefest" quite highly.

"Generations" has more rock songs, but TBF is the all-around superior album by far.

Many people here would disagree with that opinion. I know even Neal himself would.

[Matthew]

I know even Neal himself would.

Did he say that during the promotional interviews for Generations?

[NealIsGod]

I know even Neal himself would.

Did he say that during the promotional interviews for Generations?

I dunno. But I have heard his opinion of TBF.

[Matthew]

I know even Neal himself would.

Did he say that during the promotional interviews for Generations?

I dunno. But I have heard his opinion of TBF.

Do we know which Journey album he does like? Apart from Generations....

[jrnyjetster]

NO NO NO NO NO AND NO.

NO MORE BLOODY EP'S!!!!!!!!!!!

I HATE EPS!!!!!!!!!!!!

That may be your opinion Andrew, but I think the band needs to take advantage of the various media outlets and get a couple of NEW SONGS w/JSS out there somehow...Perhaps on a major movie soundtrack then...It'd be a good head start anyway......to get the ball rolling...Let that song, of course, be the LEAD single off that said soundtrack......

MR. SOTO, you are invited to chime in with your opinions at anytime, brotha...

[larryfromnextdoor]

NO NO NO NO NO AND NO.

NO MORE BLOODY EP'S!!!!!!!!!!!

I HATE EPS!!!!!!!!!!!!

That may be your opinion Andrew, but I think the band needs to take advantage of the various media outlets and get a couple of NEW SONGS w/JSS out there somehow...Perhaps on a major movie soundtrack then...It'd be a good head start anyway......to get the ball rolling...Let that song, of course, be the LEAD single off that said soundtrack......

MR. SOTO, you are invited to chime in with your opinions at anytime, brotha...

he cant talk about the future right now!! i have a feeling this is the week though!

[Red13JoePa]

If it's between getting a good hard rocking record like Generations, rated a 91 on a 100 scale by the CEO here, with Elson at the helm or a Shirley-helmed snoozefest like the majority of TBF and getting on a big label, I'll take the real rock effort that a JSS included Elson produced album will yield.

You're selectively invoking good reviews to score cheap points.
You fail to mention that Drew also rated that "Shirley-helmed snoozefest" quite highly.

Not really, just stating a fact.
Unless he goes back and changes his rating, Gens garnered a 91. I know there's pretty much no scoring points for a single second of the Augeri era anymore around these parts (though I realize you and a select few others kept it real in spite of your disgust over the '05 tour).
Didn't even know that Andrew ever officially reviewed/rated the snoozefest.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Many people here would disagree with that opinion. I know even Neal himself would.

Yeah, Neal liked "Generations" sooo much, he left the track listing to the care of others and didn't even know arena mega-anthem, "Never Too Late", was left off in place of song-writing 101 rejects like "Butterfly" and "Believe".
TBF was done with great care, and is the band's best produced album (though some might say overproduced).
Even the songs that suck are a pleasure to listen to.

Just like Red 13 before it, "Generations", is a half-assed rush job pumped out to satiate hardcore BT wilderbeasts.
After "Arrival" tanked, the band simply stopped caring.

[Andrew]

NO NO NO NO NO AND NO.

NO MORE BLOODY EP'S!!!!!!!!!!!

I HATE EPS!!!!!!!!!!!!

That may be your opinion Andrew, but I think the band needs to take advantage of the various media outlets and get a couple of NEW SONGS w/JSS out there somehow...

Don't disagree with that - but an EP is not going to appealto the masses...

The band could of course, get a new track ready for MelodicRock.com CD Volume 4 due next year.

[Andrew]

Didn't even know that Andrew ever officially reviewed/rated the snoozefest.

Wow, I rated Trial By Fire LESS than Generations

http://www.melodicrock.com/reviews/jour ... yfire.html

In hindsight this is of course incorrect and TBF should be rated around the 94 mark I believe.

TBF was reviewed in the VERY early days of this site, hence the rather short review and messy looking template

[RedWingFan]

NO NO NO NO NO AND NO.

NO MORE BLOODY EP'S!!!!!!!!!!!

I HATE EPS!!!!!!!!!!!!

That may be your opinion Andrew, but I think the band needs to take advantage of the various media outlets and get a couple of NEW SONGS w/JSS out there somehow...

Don't disagree with that - but an EP is not going to appealto the masses...

The band could of course, get a new track ready for MelodicRock.com CD Volume 4 due next year.

Damn Andrew, you are one shameless bastard!!!

[Andrew]

NO NO NO NO NO AND NO.

NO MORE BLOODY EP'S!!!!!!!!!!!

I HATE EPS!!!!!!!!!!!!

That may be your opinion Andrew, but I think the band needs to take advantage of the various media outlets and get a couple of NEW SONGS w/JSS out there somehow...

Don't disagree with that - but an EP is not going to appealto the masses...

The band could of course, get a new track ready for MelodicRock.com CD Volume 4 due next year.

Damn Andrew, you are one shameless bastard!!!

Hahaha....you gotta try

[Red13JoePa]

Didn't even know that Andrew ever officially reviewed/rated the snoozefest.

Wow, I rated Trial By Fire LESS than Generations

http://www.melodicrock.com/reviews/jour ... yfire.html

In hindsight this is of course incorrect and TBF should be rated around the 94 mark I believe.

TBF was reviewed in the VERY early days of this site, hence the rather short review and messy looking template

Stand by your 91 on Generations?

[Andrew]

Didn't even know that Andrew ever officially reviewed/rated the snoozefest.

Wow, I rated Trial By Fire LESS than Generations

http://www.melodicrock.com/reviews/jour ... yfire.html

In hindsight this is of course incorrect and TBF should be rated around the 94 mark I believe.

TBF was reviewed in the VERY early days of this site, hence the rather short review and messy looking template

Stand by your 91 on Generations?

In hindsight, perhaps a little high - but I still love most of the tracks - the mid-section remans too slow, but the opening tracks and Deen's songs rule.
Harms Way is also a killer...

[Carlitto H@kk]

Didn't even know that Andrew ever officially reviewed/rated the snoozefest.

Wow, I rated Trial By Fire LESS than Generations

http://www.melodicrock.com/reviews/jour ... yfire.html

In hindsight this is of course incorrect and TBF should be rated around the 94 mark I believe.

TBF was reviewed in the VERY early days of this site, hence the rather short review and messy looking template

Stand by your 91 on Generations?

In hindsight, perhaps a little high - but I still love most of the tracks - the mid-section remans too slow, but the opening tracks and Deen's songs rule.
Harms Way is also a killer...

TOTALLY agree...
And yes, because of my job, OOHW does tug at my emotional strings, not to mention it is a rockin' tune

[ohsherrie]

In hindsight, perhaps a little high - but I still love most of the tracks - the mid-section remans too slow, but the opening tracks and Deen's songs rule.
Harms Way is also a killer...

TOTALLY agree...
And yes, because of my job, OOHW does tug at my emotional strings, not to mention it is a rockin' tune

Best song on the CD. FITH is good too, but it just doesn't reach me quite like OOHW does.

[Red13JoePa]

I didn't think OOHW stood up, initially to FITH, TPIYH and EG but now it clearly (to me) is the equal of all of those.
What a song, what guitars.