Jeff "message of love" & Faith In the Heartlan

by **conversationpc** » Thu Dec 07, 2006 1:11 am

Rockin'Deano wrote:Arrival blows donkey ass compared to TBF. TBF is a mature album.....Arrival is so fluffy it is sickening.

"Arrival" is "fluffy" compared to "Trial by Fire"? You are kidding, right?

by **Ratgirl** » Thu Dec 07, 2006 1:20 am

Carlitto H@kk wrote:Heard Jeff sing FITH on July 8th in Va Beach (his second show) and I thought he sounded pretty fucking amazing...

I heard it at some of the shows I went to in early July and thought it was great! Of course by the time November came along that song was scratched from the setlist.

by **Red13JoePa** » Thu Dec 07, 2006 1:21 am

conversationpc wrote:
Rockin'Deano wrote:Arrival blows donkey ass compared to TBF. TBF is a mature album.....Arrival is so fluffy it is sickening.

"Arrival" is "fluffy" compared to "Trial by Fire"? You are kidding, right?

Dean's admitted that he can't seperate his detest for Augeri anymore from the albums he worked on.

by **somethingtohide** » Thu Dec 07, 2006 1:37 am

I gotta say that I think Arrival is too full of "never ending love" type ballads...it's out of balance. Nice ballads, just too many of them...they all run together for me. So I agree with the too much fluff statement.

TBF has more depth to the material, sounds more mature, and has more variety IMO. Also Perry's vocals are masterful. What he may have lost in clarity and range he more than makes up for in emoting.

That being said I would like to hear Journey play Augeri era tunes, such as FITH and Higher Place, in concert.

by **Carlitto H@kk** » Thu Dec 07, 2006 1:37 am

Ratgirl wrote:
Carlitto H@kk wrote:Heard Jeff sing FITH on July 8th in Va Beach (his second show) and I thought he sounded pretty fucking amazing...

I heard it at some of the shows I went to in early July and thought it was great! Of course by the time November came along that song was scratched from the setlist.

Yea, I here ya...
FITH makes a GREAT set opener...
Good vibe, full of emotion, great guitar runs...
Really a good starter to get the crowd pumped up.

by **ProgRocker53** » Thu Dec 07, 2006 3:29 am

I firmly believe that "Faith in the Heartland," "The Place in Your Heart," and "A Better Life" as well as "Never Too Late" should go down as all-time Journey classics. Those songs are awesome and I'd love to hear them live.... as well as "Out of Harms Way."

by **McNeil** » Thu Dec 07, 2006 3:31 am

stevew2 wrote:Jeff has no right to sing Faith In the Heartland.Why would people hear want to here Jeff sing an Augieri song anyway. Most people here hate SA "s guts. Get real

your far too green, to be spouting shit like that.. you know nothing of whom or what people here like or dislike... !! Please dont speak for other people... I for one have not given you my mandate to speak for me!! now please... shut up!!

by **The_Noble_Cause** » Thu Dec 07, 2006 3:54 am

stevew2 wrote:Jeff has no right to sing Faith In the Heartland.

Then I guess Augeri had no right to sing any Perry-era stuff.
Did this obvious hypocrisy not smack u plain in the face while posting?

Crawl back in your mother's womb and incubate for a few more months..ur not done yet.

by **Blueskies** » Thu Dec 07, 2006 3:57 am

McNeil wrote:
stevew2 wrote:Jeff has no right to sing Faith In the Heartland.Why would people hear want to here Jeff sing an Augieri song anyway. Most people here hate SA "s guts. Get real

your far too green, to be spouting shit like that.. you know nothing of whom or what people here like or dislike... !! Please dont speak for other people... I for one have not given you my mandate to speak for me!! now please... shut up!!

yeah...what he said.....don't speak for me either.....but u don't have to shut up....freedom of speech here at MR. :wink:

by **The_Noble_Cause** » Thu Dec 07, 2006 4:00 am

conversationpc wrote:"Arrival" is "fluffy" compared to "Trial by Fire"? You are kidding, right?

TBF might have more ballads, but for some odd indefinable reason, they come off a whole lot less schmaltzy.
Something indefinable about it (perhaps Perry's sincere vocals, or just better lyrics).

Nothing on "Trial by Fire" makes me nearly as embarassed to be a Journey fan as "I'm not that Way" or "With Your Love".
It's like a poor man's N'Sync.

by **somethingtohide** » Thu Dec 07, 2006 4:06 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote:
conversationpc wrote:"Arrival" is "fluffy" compared to "Trial by Fire"? You are kidding, right?

TBF might have more ballads, but for some odd indefinable reason, they come off a whole lot less schmaltzy.
Something indefinable about it (perhaps Perry's sincere vocals, or just better lyrics).

Nothing on "Trial by Fire" makes me nearly as embarassed to be a Journey fan as "I'm not that Way" or "With Your Love".
It's like a poor man's N'Sync.

"sincere vocals, or just better lyrics" I think you're right on both counts.

by **The_Noble_Cause** » Thu Dec 07, 2006 4:06 am

stevew2 wrote:Steve A was and is a important part of Journey.If it wasnt for him , this board ,and backtalk would not even be here.

So Steve singlehandedly ressurected Journey in 1998?
Last I checked, he was recruited and accepted a gig.

Neal was determined to re-start the band after Perry left him in the lurch in 96.
Driven by both parts spite and fiery passion, Neal would've toured with Chalfant or somebody else if Steve's name didn't come up.

by **Lula** » Thu Dec 07, 2006 4:54 am

stevew2 wrote:Jeff has no right to sing Faith In the Heartland.Why would people hear want to here Jeff sing an Augieri song anyway. Most people here hate SA "s guts. Get real

I'm sure you've been told already, but I gotta say- Your statement is absurd!!

Jeff has every right to sing any friggin' song he wants! Most people here do not "hate SA's guts." Maybe some are ambivalent, some like him and some don't, but most do not hate him.

by **Carlitto H@kk** » Thu Dec 07, 2006 5:00 am

Lula wrote:
stevew2 wrote:Jeff has no right to sing Faith In the Heartland.Why would people hear want to here Jeff sing an Augieri song anyway. Most people here hate SA "s guts. Get real

I'm sure you've been told already, but I gotta say- Your statement is absurd!!

Jeff has every right to sing any friggin' song he wants! Most people here do not "hate SA's guts." Maybe some are ambivalent, some like him and some don't, but most do not hate him.

Besides, even if you do hate someone in a band, that shouldn't take away from the music; if the music is good, how you feel about that person shouldn't matter. Case in point for me, SeBithin'&Whinin' Bach.
I absolutely can't STAND that fuckin' diva-bitch
but I STILL love SR's first 2 albums.
I can't stand Gene Simmons cause he's such a greedy bastard and will sell
ANYTHING he can put a KISS logo on
but I will always love a lot of classic KISS tunes...
Make sense?

by **pdsidd** » Thu Dec 07, 2006 5:40 am

AR wrote:
Rockin'Deano wrote:Sorry, I meant ever again.

By the way, how the fuck do you see Arrival as Ruling? Arrival was bland as Vanilla ice cream.

Fucker, you flying out to Frisco? Do it, you have bank. Hit up Jestor, that fucker has airline tickets.

Bro, Lori is having surgery Thursday that week or I would.

Still love Signs of Life, To Be Alive Again, Higher Place a lot. There is some crap on the disc, but when I came up with that name, I was just happy to have Journey back. Cut it to AR because of how it all ended, but that doesn't change the fact that I liked the Arrival album. I play that much more than TBF.

I prefer Arrival to Trial, I also prefer Captured to the escape tour cd with Live in Houston. Augeri did some good stuff, denying it is rather futile.

by **conversationpc** » Thu Dec 07, 2006 5:51 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote:TBF might have more ballads, but for some odd indefinable reason, they come off a whole lot less schmaltzy.
Something indefinable about it (perhaps Perry's sincere vocals, or just better lyrics).

Nothing on "Trial by Fire" makes me nearly as embarassed to be a Journey fan as "I'm not that Way" or "With Your Love".
It's like a poor man's N'Sync.

"Forever in Blue" and "Don't Be Down on Me Baby" are just as bad as anything on "Arrival" in my opinion. That being said, I actually like the two tracks you mentioned above. The ones I really despise are "All the Way", "All the Things", "Loved By You", and "Lifetime of Dreams". Blech!

by **purpleplanet10** » Thu Dec 07, 2006 7:03 am

wow i started this thread and i cant get one person to say hey man i have the files you are looking for, what the hell!!!! this isnt the bash the Arrival Steve A thread. I am a fan of journey the band, i could care less who sings the songs, i just dont wanna see journey keep playing the same 12 songs everytime i see them. I wanna hear new stuff. If jeff is in the band the sing Steve A songs, because they are Journey songs end of story. so does that mean once a member leaves they should never play or sing thoes song??? so that means journey needs to record a new cd with jeff because steve A and steve P are no longer in the band.. bullshit!!! I like generations and arrival, especially arrival what else..........

OH YEAH does anybody have the MP3's!!!!

by **Melissa** » Thu Dec 07, 2006 7:16 am

Lula wrote:
stevew2 wrote:Jeff has no right to sing Faith In the Heartland.Why would people hear want to here Jeff sing an Augieri song anyway. Most people here hate SA "s guts. Get real

I'm sure you've been told already, but I gotta say- Your statement is absurd!!

Jeff has every right to sing any friggin' song he wants! Most people here do not "hate SA's guts." Maybe some are ambivalent, some like him and some don't, but most do not hate him.

Ditto Lula! I don't "hate" Augeri, just not a fan, plain & simple.

by **Eric** » Thu Dec 07, 2006 7:21 am

This is the bottom line:

TBF has superior ballads and Arrival has better rockers

by AR » Thu Dec 07, 2006 7:36 am

Faith from Va Beach. mp3 ripped from DVD. 5 minutes of it missing just a bit at the end (size of the DVD chapter)

http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?a ... 370C05AB77

Audio quality is nothing to write home about, but here it is.

by **purpleplanet10** » Thu Dec 07, 2006 7:45 am

thank you id love to hear the whole thing but i will take what i can get . thanks again

by **Melissa** » Thu Dec 07, 2006 7:55 am

AR wrote:Faith from Va Beach. mp3 ripped from DVD. 5 minutes of it missing just a bit at the end (size of the DVD chapter)

http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?a ... 370C05AB77

Audio quality is nothing to write home about, but here it is.

Wow! Thanks, that was great!

by **stevew2** » Thu Dec 07, 2006 10:56 am

I just wanted to apoligize for some of my rantings I made last night, to the people that dont hate Steve A,going by the responses to my reply I see that is not true.I am "green" here but have been lurking here for months.I have seen alot of negative stuff about Steve and not many people defend him. Thats why i made that statement.As you can tell im pro Augeri,and It might have been bad idea to join here.This is an interesting site and I enjoy some of the posts and open uncensored dissusions. As far as Jeff singing Faith, he can sing anything he wants, I just dont personnally like the idea.I do cedit Steve for helping Journey continue theses last eight years.That I wont take back.I ll try to think before I rant next time,although I cant promise that. peace ??

by **Blueskies** » Thu Dec 07, 2006 11:06 am

stevew2 wrote:I just wanted to apoligize for some of my rantings I made last night, to the people that dont hate Steve A,going by the responses to my reply I see that is not true.I am "green" here but have been lurking here for months.I have seen alot of negative stuff about Steve and not many people defend him. Thats why i made that statement.As you can tell im pro Augeri,and It might have been bad idea to join here.This is an interesting site and I enjoy some of the posts and open uncensored dissusions. As far as Jeff singing Faith, he can sing anything he wants, I just dont personnally like the idea.I do cedit Steve for helping Journey continue theses last eight years.That I wont take back.I ll try to think before I rant next time,although I cant promise that. peace ??

All opinions and thoughts are welcome here. You have to expect that not everyone will agree, all the time with your's....you will have to stand up for your opinions and fight for them sometimes, have a thick skin at times.....but nothing is ever that serious, alot done in fun! This is a fun bunch of good people, we're all Journey fans. Enjoy and welcome to MR!!

by **Granny** » Thu Dec 07, 2006 11:58 am

stevew2 wrote:Yes I did, I heard, but never saw what really went down with what happened.I tried to check it out recently, but I havent been able to get the clips supporting all the stuff that has been said. Until I hear it for myself, I dont belive it.I am just posting my experince from the concerts I have been to, in the US starting in Camden,NJ That is all I have to go by.

Stevew....I was at the concert too....wasn't it terrible...he could hardly sing.. and did u see him go behind the paino and use his inhaler....he was definitely live there, but in Nov. 05 I saw him the the HOB in Myrtle Beach and that was all taped...every song sounded just like the CD...every note was right on, no voice cracking or squeaking....and when I saw thme in June 05 in San Diego it was the same thing....

by **stevew2** » Thu Dec 07, 2006 5:12 pm

TVL wrote:
stevew2 wrote:I just wanted to apoligize for some of my rantings I made last night, to the people that dont hate Steve A,going by the responses to my reply I see that is not true.I am "green" here but have been lurking here for months.I have seen alot of negative stuff about Steve and not many people defend him. Thats why i made that statement.As you can tell im pro Augeri,and It might have been bad idea to join here.This is an interesting site and I enjoy some of the posts and open uncensored dissusions. As far as Jeff singing Faith, he can sing anything he wants, I just dont personnally like the idea.I do cedit Steve for helping Journey continue theses last eight years.That I wont take back.I ll try to think before I rant next time,although I cant promise that. peace ??

All opinions and thoughts are welcome here. You have to expect that not everyone will agree, all the time with your's....you will have to stand up for your opinions and fight for them sometimes, have a thick skin at times.....but nothing is ever that serious, alot done in fun! This is a fun bunch of good people, we're all Journey fans. Enjoy and welcome to MR!!

Thanks so much, The main thing is we all love Journey.I go off the deep end somtimes and say stupid shit, but I do love Journey , I just have trouble dealing with changes.We will see what happens, I wont go off tonight,I will shut up, I am to freakin tired. Best Wishes To You All ,

by **stevew2** » Thu Dec 07, 2006 5:47 pm

bufordt9 wrote:
stevew2 wrote:Yes I did, I heard, but never saw what really went down with what happened.I tried to check it out recently, but I havent been able to get the clips supporting all the stuff that has been said. Until I hear it for myself, I dont belive it.I am just posting my experince from the concerts I have been to, in the US starting in Camden,NJ That is all I have to go by.

Stevew....I was at the concert too....wasn't it terrible...he could hardly sing.. and did u see him go behind the paino and use his inhaler....he was definitely live there, but in Nov. 05 I saw him the the HOB in Myrtle Beach and that was all taped...every song sounded just like the CD...every note was right on, no voice cracking or squeaking....and when I saw thme in June 05 in San Diego it was the same thing....

I dont think is was terriable,he had trouble, and I saw the inhaler,but i heard him sing.I heard Steve sing in Sailsbury Md on Nov 16 2005, right after they had a break from the Generations tour.I had 3rd row ,and he sang every freaking note right in in front of me.I am a musician,and keyboard player,I know damn well what I heard and saw was live in Salisbuey Md was for real.They did 3 songs from Generatiins. Why would he fake that?

by **The_Noble_Cause** » Thu Dec 07, 2006 11:42 pm

stevew2 wrote:I am a musician,and keyboard player,I know damn well what I heard and saw was live in Salisbuey Md was for real.

You are a royal pompous fuck - bar none.
Do you really think you are the only person on this forum with industry or musical credentials that had the wool pulled over their eyes?
Why don't u asked AOR legend Kevin Chalfant who was quoted leaving a 2005 show saying "Augeri was in fine voice...Journey is on the rise again!"
Previously he had recommended the band lower notes for Steve.
Why don't u ask Jeremy, someone who has devoted his life to singing Journey music and mastering every inflection of Steve Perry, who left a 2005 show saying Augeri had NEVER sounded better.

They did 3 songs from Generatiins. Why would he fake that?

Because his voice has been wanning since 2003.
THATS WHY.
Many people on this forum have boots of the "Generations" songs that were lipped and can re-post them with the click of a button.
Are u sure u want to open that can of worms?
"Faith in the Heartland" deviates slightly from the "Generations" album (two brief parts of the song feature Augeri's real voice)
"Place in Your Heart" was a 100% stripped vocal track off the "Generations" album. Augeri's mic is opened at the end and he warbles in a low range and segues into the next track.
"Out of Harm's Way" (as played in Manchester) features a minute or so of Augeri singing, the rest is 100% "Generations" and Deen covering the tail-end highs.

by **The_Noble_Cause** » Thu Dec 07, 2006 11:49 pm

stevew2 wrote:As far as Jeff singing Faith, he can sing anything he wants, I just dont personnally like the idea.

The worst part of this quote is you're oblivious to your own festering hypocrisy....u haven't even bothered to process the lunacy of your own emotions.
You're ok with someone singing the vast stockpile of songs Perry had an instrumental hand in, but not the piddling few from the Augeri era?
WTF :shock:

by **belar** » Fri Dec 08, 2006 12:32 am

AR wrote:Faith from Va Beach. mp3 ripped from DVD. 5 minutes of it missing just a bit at the end (size of the DVD chapter)

http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?a ... 370C05AB77

Audio quality is nothing to write home about, but here it is.

Wow, thanks very much for this, AR. Much appreciated!

MR

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