Trial By Fire - Revisited

[Monker]

So in theory, Monker, your quote is not that good, because I just dispelled it.

I think what he is saying is that you may "win" in the short term but lose in the long run because of the scum bag it turns you into.

EXACTLY...and YOU know you didn't deserve the "W".

[larryfromnextdoor]

4 pages of this crap,, FOUR pages of nonsense.. a good thread is only a statement and 2 or 3 return statements.. thats it!! .. . i quit!! im outa here!! im never posting again.. its over.. wont come back.. out.. SYE RA NARA,, BABY!!

stinkin NIG .. 4 pages..

[Monker]

Point is:

There REALLY isn't much Journey talk on this "best Journey forum on the internet".

"You do have JOURNEY talk on your JOURNEY forum, right" Hello? HELLO?"

4 pages of this crap,, FOUR pages of nonsense.. a good thread is only a statement and 2 or 3 return statements.. thats it!! .. . i quit!! im outa here!! im never posting again.. its over.. wont come back.. out.. SYE RA NARA,, BABY!!

[Blueskies]

4 pages of this crap,, FOUR pages of nonsense.. a good thread is only a statement and 2 or 3 return statements.. thats it!! .. . i quit!! im outa here!! im never posting again.. its over.. wont come back.. out.. SYE RA NARA,, BABY!!

stinkin NIG .. 4 pages..

u need to read back....there are some decent posts. uhhh...it's 5 pg's!

[Rockindeano]

Chips on shoulders? Hmmm, I wonder? Sounds like pretty jaded attitudes to me. Stems from somewhere.

Can not you have any sense of humour?

You are dryer than Dr' Ruths pussy.

[larryfromnextdoor]

4 pages of this crap,, FOUR pages of nonsense.. a good thread is only a statement and 2 or 3 return statements.. thats it!! .. . i quit!! im outa here!! im never posting again.. its over.. wont come back.. out.. SYE RA NARA,, BABY!!

stinkin NIG .. 4 pages..

u need to read back....there are some decent posts.

uhh, duh... i read it , im just foolin.. lots of fun,, im just mad that i cant start up a 4 page thread!! jealous....

[Blueskies]

Chips on shoulders? Hmmm, I wonder? Sounds like pretty jaded attitudes to me. Stems from somewhere.

Can not you have any sense of hulour?

You are dryer than Dr' Ruths pussy.

hulour??? Kiss it, babykins....u don't know me at all!

[Rockindeano]

Chips on shoulders? Hmmm, I wonder? Sounds like pretty jaded attitudes to me. Stems from somewhere.

Can not you have any sense of humour?

You are dryer than Dr' Ruths pussy.

hulour??? Kiss it, babykins....u don't know me at all!

I know enough of you to know you are a faceless conservative, no fun, all work, dry humour and boring as the Arizona desert.

I hope I am wrong.

[Blueskies]

4 pages of this crap,, FOUR pages of nonsense.. a good thread is only a statement and 2 or 3 return statements.. thats it!! .. . i quit!! im outa here!! im never posting again.. its over.. wont come back.. out.. SYE RA NARA,, BABY!!

stinkin NIG .. 4 pages..

u need to read back....there are some decent posts.

uhh, duh... i read it , im just foolin.. lots of fun,, im just mad that i cant start up a 4 page thread!! jealous....

I know u are.

[Blueskies]

Chips on shoulders? Hmmm, I wonder? Sounds like pretty jaded attitudes to me. Stems from somewhere.

Can not you have any sense of humour?

You are dryer than Dr' Ruths pussy.

hulour??? Kiss it, babykins....u don't know me at all!

I know enough of you to know you are a faceless conservative, no fun, all work, dry humour and boring as the Arizona desert.

I hope I am wrong.

thats funny, but u are so off base. Those that do know me here, know how off base u are.

[ohsherrie]

OK, back to TBF.

LOVE this CD. Journey's best ever IMO. The only songs I ever skip are Forever in Blue and Colors of the Spirit. I'm not crazy about the sound nor lyrics of either of these songs. I have I Can See it in Your Eyes and I don't care for it.

Easy to Fall is my favorite track with MOL a close second. I think Trial by Fire is actually a better song than WYLAW. Even though WYLAW has a more classic Journey soaring sound to it, the sound that Steve's voice gives to the lyrics of TBF is beautifully and soulfully melancholy, and I think Neal's guitar work on it is the best possible example of his talent.

I think Can't Tame the Lion is a fan tribute. Listen to the words. We are the lion. We are always there "in a sea of emotion with faithful devotion".

I could go on and on about many of the songs, but I'll spare all of you that.

[AR]

LOVE this CD. Journey's best ever IMO

Do you want the broken one I destroyed after "listening" to it for the first (and last time) in 10 years?

[Rockindeano]

LOVE this CD. Journey's best ever IMO

Do you want the broken one I destroyed after "listening" to it for the first (and last time) in 10 years?

Retard. Go spin KISS again and make sure you don't get the cum on the couch this time. Fruitcake fucker. Take Gen Simmons advice and "Lick it up."

[Rockindeano]

So in theory, Monker, your quote is not that good, because I just dispelled it.

I think what he is saying is that you may "win" in the short term but lose in the long run because of the scum bag it turns you into.

EXACTLY...and YOU know you didn't deserve the "W".

Did the Steelers deserve the "W" in last years Super Bowl?

Just curious. I say they don't, because I think the Seahawks were jobbed, BUT I respect the scoreboard. That game was more rigged than Augeri's mic. Hey, the scoreboard NEVER lies.

[Blueskies]

Chips on shoulders? Hmmm, I wonder? Sounds like pretty jaded attitudes to me. Stems from somewhere.

Can not you have any sense of humour?

You are dryer than Dr' Ruths pussy.

Dude, u have more issues than Time magazine! I was a double major...one was psychology.....u need to talk? PM me and I'll see what I can do...free of charge....I'll consider it a help and contribution to Andrew!

[Rockindeano]

I DO have issues to be sure, however, you do know this is a message board, right? I am NOT like this in real life.

If you are a woman, I would talk to you for sure. If you are a dude, I think maybe not in no way fuck no absolutely not no fuck no.

[Blueskies]

I DO have issues to be sure, however, you do know this is a message board, right? I am NOT like this in real life.

If you are a woman, I would talk to you for sure. If you are a dude, I think maybe not in no way fuck no absolutely not no fuck no.

and I am not like what u perceive me to be. Yep....all woman, baby!

[Matthew]

TBF may be ballad heavy, but they are masterpieces compared to some of that syrupy wedding shit on Arrival.

So true...

[Matthew]

TBF (the song) is in my top ten all-time Journey tracks....and if Perry rejoined the band and recorded an entire album in this style I'd be delighted. Sure, this is the sound of an ageing band...but I'd rather this than have a bunch of fiftysomethings in leather trousers ponce about to "Anyway You Want It".
.

***********

That is what I was just thinking after reading thru the prior posts...it would've been embarrassing if they came back after 10 yrs from ROR to act & sound like they did when they were in their 20s-early 30s. With the TBF CD, they showed they grew & evolved & didn't try to go for "what worked before"...I loved this CD the first time I heard it (with the exception of "one more" "castles burning" & "can't tame the lion" & "baby I'm a leaving you")...okay, so I love the MAJORITY of it. To me this CD is very introspective & emotionally retrospective. I also feel like "A Better Life" from Generations follows this vibe.

Totally agree...."A Better Life" does have a very similar mood to TBF...and is the best post-Perry song by a mile, I reckon. Hope there'll be a couple of melancholic, introspective numbers from Deen on the next album....

[Moon Beam]

Everyone is different. Do whatever works for you.

Most people are not nice, some just have manners and appear to be.

I do what works for me, also try to be nice
but really I'm a bitch.

Moon, almost everyone that meets me seems to like me. Does that make me a "nice guy"? I'll let others be the judge.
All I know is that I do whatever I want. If others fit into my plans, they are welcome along for the ride. Not sure myself what that means or what that makes me. It just is what it is.

Just so you know AR, anyone who invites 40 or so
strangers into their home and has their wife cook
for em is a nice guy in my books.
You do have an asslike side but your a male it
can't be helped.

[Red13JoePa]

I'm with you all the way though about Baby, I'm Leaving You. White people playing reggae is always an embarrassment....

Unless it's The Stones.


Regarding B,ILY I definately don't hate it. Always found that sound to suit Perry well and Neal proves a point or 2 about his own versatility.

[Red13JoePa]

Nolan Ryan would probably be the first one to tell you that he wasn't always such a good guy.

Nolan IS a great human being, he was just a filthy baseball pitcher and I mean that in a complimentary way.

remember when Nolie used Robin Venturas' dome as a speedbag? Ventura charges the mound and got throttled by the old man. Loved it.

Nolie could not only flat out DEAL, but he threw bow ties without being a headhunter. Class act and the most intimidating EVER apologies to the Unit, Clemens, Feller, Koufax, Gibby.

[The_Noble_Cause]

A Better Life" does have a very similar mood to TBF...and is the best post-Perry song by a mile...

You only like it because it features Deen doing his uncany Perry-impersonation.
As a song, it starts out promising and ultimately goes nowhere.
"Generations" is so starved of A-material that fans include ABL as one of the standouts.
Sad.

[CatEyes]

OK, I am off today, so I am spinning TBF now for the first time in a very long time.

MOL - Of course, nobody doesn't like that tune. Journey all the way.

One More - Sucks. They rhyme "fire" and "desire". Nuff said. (alhtough I am digging Neal's outro)

More to come as I listen...

One More-- the best drumming on any Journey song imo. Killer work from Smitty.

Strong drumming. Best ever?

The bass line on this one just really amazed me - It was like Ross was driving some kind of musical power tool - and it just kept on going - then combined with Smitty's drums - fuckin' awesome

Cat

[CatEyes]

Nolan Ryan would probably be the first one to tell you that he wasn't always such a good guy.

Nolan IS a great human being, he was just a filthy baseball pitcher and I mean that in a complimentary way.

remember when Nolie used Robin Venturas' dome as a speedbag? Ventura charges the mound and got throttled by the old man. Loved it.

Nolie could not only flat out DEAL, but he threw bow ties without being a headhunter. Class act and the most intimidating EVER apologies to the Unit, Clemens, Feller, Koufax, Gibby.

What in the hell language is this???? Oh wait a minute, it's "SPORTS". SORRY.

Have you seen those translators that appear down in the corner of your tv screen for the hearing impaired?

May Andrew could get us some translators down in the corner of the Forum - they could translate using flash cards when you guys start the Sports-speak again.

It would help those of us who are Sports-impaired.



Cat

[NealIsGod]

[Scarab Pilot]

CTTL reminds me of a song for the fans from the band. It touches on themes from E5C4P3 and Frontiers:

"In the midst of a dream I swear I saw you... standing there
In a sea of emotion with faithful devotion... you were there"

Fans at the concerts - the faithful

"In heat of the night under the street lights... once again"
Dont Stop Believin...

"At the edge of the fire"
Standing on the edge...Frontiers....

"One night in detroit, yes I swear I saw you... standing there
In a summer of dreams down by the river... you were there"

Stone in Love, DSB again...


Just my opinion. I always think of scenes from concert videos...

[Matthew]

A Better Life" does have a very similar mood to TBF...and is the best post-Perry song by a mile...

You only like it because it features Deen doing his uncany Perry-impersonation.
As a song, it starts out promising and ultimately goes nowhere.
"Generations" is so starved of A-material that fans include ABL as one of the standouts.
Sad.

Sure - but it's actually got some emotion to it too - which Augeri's voice was never able to convey.

I'd say that ABL is a standout track of the entire post-Perry era and not just Generations - but you're right - the lack of an A-grade context makes it sound better than it is...

[The_Noble_Cause]

Sure - but it's actually got some emotion to it too - which Augeri's voice was never able to convey.

Maybe not in a affected Perry-esque way, but Augeri related the songs in his own way and was plenty emotive.

I'd say that ABL is a standout track of the entire post-Perry era and not just Generations.

Can't agree with that.
The song just meanders on and on and on...
For that alone, it's not the best song of the post-Perry era.

[Matthew]

Maybe not in a affected Perry-esque way, but Augeri related the songs in his own way and was plenty emotive.

Yes - maybe Deen duped me with his Perry impersonation - but is it possible that that is actually how he sings?

The song just meanders on and on and on...
For that alone, it's not the best song of the post-Perry era.

It's true that ABL does start to drift aimlessly in the last third - but many post-Perry tracks were a bit shapeless at times, don't you think?