Jeff "message of love" & Faith In the Heartlan

[stevew2]

I am a musician,and keyboard player,I know damn well what I heard and saw was live in Salisbuey Md was for real.

You are a royal pompous fuck - bar none.
Do you really think you are the only person on this forum with industry or musical credentials that had the wool pulled over their eyes?
Why don't u asked AOR legend Kevin Chalfant who was quoted leaving a 2005 show saying "Augeri was in fine voice...Journey is on the rise again!"
Previously he had recommended the band lower notes for Steve.
Why don't u ask Jeremy, someone who has devoted his life to singing Journey music and mastering every inflection of Steve Perry, who left a 2005 show saying Augeri had NEVER sounded better.

They did 3 songs from Generatiins. Why would he fake that?

What makes you a fuckin expert?? How agout Faith in the sturgis video? Or dont Stop Beleiving in that video. Talk is cheap, send me some clips. Ill ask Jeremy. Id respect his opinion over yours

Because his voice has been wanning since 2003.
THATS WHY.
Many people on this forum have boots of the "Generations" songs that were lipped and can re-post them with the click of a button.
Are u sure u want to open that can of worms?
"Faith in the Heartland" deviates slightly from the "Generations" album (two brief parts of the song feature Augeri's real voice)
"Place in Your Heart" was a 100% stripped vocal track off the "Generations" album. Augeri's mic is opened at the end and he warbles in a low range and segues into the next track.
"Out of Harm's Way" (as played in Manchester) features a minute or so of Augeri singing, the rest is 100% "Generations" and Deen covering the tail-end highs.

[NealIsGod]

stevew2, learn how to use the quote function properly. Can't tell who said what in that mess.

[stevew2]

stevew2, learn how to use the quote function properly. Can't tell who said what in that mess.

Ill work on it, the quote was stuck in the middle of the other guys message I couldnt move to the bottom. thanks

[The_Noble_Cause]

What makes you a fuckin expert?? How agout Faith in the sturgis video?

Yes, let's talk about Sturgis, shall we?
It's widely available on YouTube.com
The FITH vocal track utilized in the Sturgis video is the same vocal track utlized for the duration of the 2005 tour.
Though the video cuts off before the ending, it does contain a brief moment (one of two) at 4:34 where his mic is turned on.

Why don't you bring it over here and play it.
I could use a good laugh.

Or dont Stop Beleiving in that video.

There is no Sturgis DSB video that I am aware of.

Ill ask Jeremy. Id respect his opinion over yours

Then you'll be dumbfucked to hear that Jeremy already weighed in.
He meticulously synchronized bootlegs, posted his findings (including matching soundwaves - all sorts of hi-tech shit) and said Augeri was 100% lipping.
You can now pick your chin off the floor, you shit eating peon.

[stevew2]

What makes you a fuckin expert?? How agout Faith in the sturgis video?

Yes, let's talk about Sturgis, shall we?
It's widely available on YouTube.com
The FITH vocal track utilized in the Sturgis video is the same vocal track utlized for the duration of the 2005 tour.
Though the video cuts off before the ending, it does contain a brief moment (one of two) at 4:34 where his mic is turned on.

Why don't you bring it over here and play it.
I could use a good laugh.

Or dont Stop Beleiving in that video.

There is no Sturgis DSB video that I am aware of.

Ill ask Jeremy. Id respect his opinion over yours

Then you'll be dumbfucked to hear that Jeremy already weighed in.
He meticulously synchronized bootlegs, posted his findings (including matching soundwaves - all sorts of hi-tech shit) and said Augeri was 100% lipping.
You can now pick your chin off the floor, you shit eating peon.

[quote The DSB was on the some of the Sturgis video views but not all. They showed about about half of it, its live cause he was flat.Beleive it or not I am open minded. when I see some proof,Ill believe it .I wasnt around here when all the shit started .Later loser [/quote]

[The_Noble_Cause]

its live cause he was flat.

Post it. I bet it's 100% identical to every other time he sang DSB in '05.
It makes no sense for him to lip to FITH, but then to belt out DSB.
In '05, his real voice wasn't just "flat", it was ear-splittingly haggard.

Deano posted various boots of "The Place in Your Heart" which was an isolated vocal 100% off "Generations" (minus the closing 40 seconds).
And still people on here said it couldn't be tape 'cuz Augeri was "flat".
Some of you just hear what you want to hear.
The Augeri-era coasted on smoke, mirrors, and VERY selective public appearances.

when I see some proof,Ill believe it.

Do your own digging.
That dark-era in the band's history is now over.

[dcvader]

stevew2, you say "I wasn't around here when all the shit started". Why not just use the search function in the top right corner of this fuckin' forum and do some research. Don't start stiring the shit. We have beat this subject to a god damn pulp. All is proven (just look at the product on the stage now vs 2005, enough said), just because you were stuck in the "Wiggle" threads over there with blinders on, does not mean that TG did not happen.

End it. You come across as a disgruntled BT'r / SA apologist. That's ok there's a forum that's perfect for you.

[stevew2]

stevew2, you say "I wasn't around here when all the shit started". Why not just use the search function in the top right corner of this fuckin' forum and do some research. Don't start stiring the shit. We have beat this subject to a god damn pulp. All is proven (just look at the product on the stage now vs 2005, enough said), just because you were stuck in the "Wiggle" threads over there with blinders on, does not mean that TG did not happen.

End it. You come across as a disgruntled BT'r / SA apologist. That's ok there's a forum that's perfect for you.

I tried to do that a month ago by going back by the dates page by page and could note find anything.Ill try the search funtion.I am not a disgruntled BT'r. If I find it true,I wont stir the shit.

[NealIsGod]

Trust us, it's true. Some of us differ in our opinion of the extent of it, but it did happen and the band is definitely better off now. That's all that matters.

[Red13JoePa]

Yea, it was on and off, not every minute of every song of every show 2005.

[Liz22562]

Thanks Red!

[The_Noble_Cause]

..not every minute of every song of every show 2005.

Umm, no, that's actually precisely what it was.
At most, he would warble his way thru the ending of some of the dirty dozen and a fleeting mid-part here and there.
If he was singing his share and pulling his weight, there wouldn't have been controversy in '05 and he wouldn't have been internally ousted.

Red, u were the last person on this forum to concede that even the mildest form of fakery was in place.
U couldn't even tell that TPIYH was straight off "Generations".
You even created a post extoling the virtues of ur Beacon dvd where every single Augeri song involves lip synching except for LTS.

If you don't know the facts, please refrain from leading this guy astray or filling his head with the wrong information.

[stevew2]

I am having trouble finding boots,I have to go work ,but Ill search it out tonoght.I need to know the truth so I can move on. Really I didnt join here to stir shit.

[Red13JoePa]

..not every minute of every song of every show 2005.

Umm, no, that's actually precisely what it was.
At most, he would warble his way thru the ending of some of the dirty dozen and a fleeting mid-part here and there.
If he was singing his share and pulling his weight, there wouldn't have been controversy in '05 and he wouldn't have been internally ousted.

Red, u were the last person on this forum to concede that even the mildest form of fakery was in place.
U couldn't even tell that TPIYH was straight off "Generations".
You even created a post extoling the virtues of ur Beacon dvd where every single Augeri song involves lip synching except for LTS.

If you don't know the facts, please refrain from leading this guy astray or filling his head with the wrong information.

I always conceded there were tapes in use, but never and STILL don't believe it was the level you say above.
You continually move your target, too, depending on the level of hashish in your blood at the time from a good deal of the 2005 tour, to all of the 2005 tour, to all of that and then part of the 04 tour to a good deal of the 04 tour and so on and so forth all the way back to 2002 for christ sake.

PS I still hold that a good portion of FITH at that Beacon show was sang live, aside from the obvious opening and middle "YEA" screams.

If i'm wrong, I'm fooled but I could still give a shit less as far as my opinion of steve augeri goes. I happen to like the guy as a singer in Jrny....or liked. whatever.

[NealIsGod]

Here we go again.

[Red13JoePa]

Here we go again.

Hey, I'm just trying to keep straight which version of the TapeGate bible we're following here, the King James or his ever-evolving apocryphal ones.

Take his very post above where he says "um, no that's precisely what it was" dogmatically debunking my statement that it was not every note of every song of every show in 2005.

Yet how many times on these very pages has he said WITS and LTS were the only songs sang live in their entirety on the 05 tour?

[The_Noble_Cause]

I always conceded there were tapes in use,

That's a lie.
You burned both Deano and me in ur pigheaded True-Believer stance.

You continually move your target, too, depending on the level of hashish in your blood at the time from a good deal of the 2005 tour, to all of the 2005 tour,

Early on in the 2005 tour they went to tape.
Conservative estimates place it no later than the second week (perhaps sooner).

to all of that and then part of the 04 tour to a good deal of the 04 tour

Tapes were used in 2004.
Sometimes for high parts and on some nites for whole songs.
Varies per show and depended on how badly Steve was faring.

and so on and so forth all the way back to 2002 for christ sake.

That is correct.
Though my personal experience is that tapes were first used in 2003, other more-reliable accounts put it at 2002.

PS I still hold that a good portion of FITH at that Beacon show was sang live, aside from the obvious opening and middle "YEA" screams.

Same old trick.
He sings the mid-part and the tail end and nothing more.
No different than ur Greek boot, and ur Rama boot.
The difference between the tapes and his damaged voice is like night and day.
Pull the tampons out of your ears.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Take his very post above where he says "um, no that's precisely what it was" dogmatically debunking my statement that it was not every note of every song of every show in 2005.

All of the 2005 songs (minus LTS) featured lip synching.
What was sung (excluding LTS which was 100% live) was negligible.
A minute here, 40 seconds there.
Why should I have to qualify such a scant meaningless amount each and every time I wish to discuss the '05 tour?
For all intents and purposes, the '05 tour was lip synched. Period.

Yet how many times on these very pages has he said WITS and LTS were the only songs sang live in their entirety on the 05 tour?

Never. Not once.
WITS in 2005 was tape.
If you can find a post where I said otherwise, I challenge u to find it.

[NealIsGod]

All of the 2005 songs (minus LTS) featured lip synching.
What was sung (excluding LTS which was 100% live) was negligible.
A minute here, 40 seconds there.

I thought we decided "lip Synching" was inaccurate, since Augeri was actually singing into a dead mic?

[Liam]

Anyone gonna rename the thread "Tapegate Revisited"???

[The_Noble_Cause]

I thought we decided "lip Synching" was inaccurate, since Augeri was actually singing into a dead mic?

You can call it whatever you want. Fraud by any other name is still fraud.

[fightingilliniJRNY]

Faith from Va Beach. mp3 ripped from DVD. 5 minutes of it missing just a bit at the end (size of the DVD chapter)

http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?a ... 370C05AB77

Audio quality is nothing to write home about, but here it is.

Thanks AR. Appreciate your contributions to this board.

[Deb]

Sometimes for high parts and on some nites for whole songs.
Varies per show and depended on how badly Steve was faring.

I was just going to jump in here and say that it wasn't every show, until I read your sentence above. I have a 2005 boot from Konocti I think it is......that there is no way they were using tape. Deen sounds awesome on the 5 or 6 songs he sings, but SA sounds awful, like he has laryngitis or something.....at least for the first part and seems to warm up later on. Last time I watched it was before I heard much about tapegate, think I'll go back and watch it from a different perspective.......but I know the first part definately wasn't tape at least, also Deen was singing alot of BG on songs.

[Matthew]

Deen sounds awesome on the 5 or 6 songs he sings, but SA sounds awful, like he has laryngitis or something.....at least for the first part and seems to warm up later on.

That's how he sounded at times in Edinburgh in June 2006 too....

[WalrusOct9]

I have a 2005 bootleg as well (Irvine, I think...I got it from someone here) where Augeri is definitely singing...and sounds awful. My guess is the tape thing didn't start until a few shows into the tour after they realized Augeri's voice was completely shot.


Also, Arival > TBF. Both had too many ballads, but TBF's ballads seemed endless, whereas Arrival still had enough uptempo songs to keep it interesting, and the songs were a lot more memorable than 70% of the TBF stuff.


And that version of FITH is running slow. I just picked up my guitar that's tuned down 1/2 step and it matches (plus it just sounds hella slow to begin with)...not sure if the whole DVD it's ripped from is like that, just giving a heads up. I used a plugin I have to bring it back to the correct pitch and speed, and it sounds fine.

[Red13JoePa]

Tapes were used in 2004.
Sometimes for high parts and on some nites for whole songs.
Varies per show and depended on how badly Steve was faring.

That is correct.
Though my personal experience is that tapes were first used in 2003, other more-reliable accounts put it at 2002.

LOL, 's what I figured outa you. In fact, exactly what I said you do. Only this time, you found ways to vaguley tie all your different time lenghts of the affair together in 1 long string to 2002.

What's interestingly sneaky, and folks may be misled by this the exact same way you accuse me of leading Stevew, is the way you impart your opinions as stone cold fact confirmed by "other more-reliable accounts" and replacing "I think," or "in my opinion" with the words, "my personal experience is that tapes were first used in..."

good work.

[Liam]

I have a 2005 bootleg as well (Irvine, I think...I got it from someone here) where Augeri is definitely singing...and sounds awful. My guess is the tape thing didn't start until a few shows into the tour after they realized Augeri's voice was completely shot.


Also, Arival > TBF. Both had too many ballads, but TBF's ballads seemed endless, whereas Arrival still had enough uptempo songs to keep it interesting, and the songs were a lot more memorable than 70% of the TBF stuff.

If memory serves, it was about 4 or 5 shows then Augeri "got better". I've got the Irvine show as well and he sounds like total shit. There isn't any way in hell he could've miraculously healed THAT voice by shreding it every night in just a few days.

[The_Noble_Cause]

LOL, 's what I figured outa you. In fact, exactly what I said you do. Only this time, you found ways to vaguley tie all your different time lenghts of the affair together in 1 long string to 2002.

The only thing I'm guilty of is sharing what I know with other fans.
If I wanted to make shit up i would go start another "predictions" or "conspiracy theories" thread.

What's interestingly sneaky, and folks may be misled by this the exact same way you accuse me of leading Stevew, is the way you impart your opinions as stone cold fact confirmed by "other more-reliable accounts" and replacing "I think," or "in my opinion" with the words, "my personal experience is that tapes were first used in..."

There's nothing sneaky or underhanded about it.
If what I wrote was merely gut-instinct or unfounded opinion, I would've qualified and said so.

[SF-Dano]

Sometimes for high parts and on some nites for whole songs.
Varies per show and depended on how badly Steve was faring.

I was just going to jump in here and say that it wasn't every show, until I read your sentence above. I have a 2005 boot from Konocti I think it is......that there is no way they were using tape. Deen sounds awesome on the 5 or 6 songs he sings, but SA sounds awful, like he has laryngitis or something.....at least for the first part and seems to warm up later on. Last time I watched it was before I heard much about tapegate, think I'll go back and watch it from a different perspective.......but I know the first part definately wasn't tape at least, also Deen was singing alot of BG on songs.

I don't think they played Konocti in 2005. I usually try to make it there whenever they play, and don't recall ever seeing any advertisement. On your boot, does it end with a Santana jam that features guest Michael Carabello. If so that was 2004. If there was a show at Konocti in '05 and I missed, I am pissed.

[Deb]

Sometimes for high parts and on some nites for whole songs.
Varies per show and depended on how badly Steve was faring.

I was just going to jump in here and say that it wasn't every show, until I read your sentence above. I have a 2005 boot from Konocti I think it is......that there is no way they were using tape. Deen sounds awesome on the 5 or 6 songs he sings, but SA sounds awful, like he has laryngitis or something.....at least for the first part and seems to warm up later on. Last time I watched it was before I heard much about tapegate, think I'll go back and watch it from a different perspective.......but I know the first part definately wasn't tape at least, also Deen was singing alot of BG on songs.

I don't think they played Konocti in 2005. I usually try to make it there whenever they play, and don't recall ever seeing any advertisement. On your boot, does it end with a Santana jam that features guest Michael Carabello. If so that was 2004. If there was a show at Konocti in '05 and I missed, I am pissed.

Checked...........Kelseyville CA, 07-02-05, Konocti Harbor Resort.