If Perry is Right Then Neal Is A Dick ...

[NealIsGod]

I think it's well documented that Neal wanted to rock out more than he could in Journey, hence Schon & Hammer, HSAS, BE and Hardline. Don't think it was based on commercial success, more to satisfy where he was creatively at the time.

[jrnychick]

I always saw the HSAS project as a way for Neal to shred and have some success doing it. His playing with Journey was very melodic and powerful, but HSAS gave him the chance to play more of a hard rock style. I think it was just another way for Neal to express himself. Let's face it--what musician doesn't want to make bucketfulls of money doing what they love?

[Deb]

It's kind of a joke that Schon uses the analogy that his solo projects were not commercial and completely different from Journey. The reason that he can classify the Hammer/Schon albums as non-commercial is only because they didn't sell well enough to be considered such.
The song "No More Lies" is a very straight-forward mainstream rock track. It was released as a single and they even did a video for it (why bother with a vid if your not looking for commercial appeal). Hell, he even did a Journey penned tune ("Self Defense") on the Schon/Hammer record, so how is that "completely different from Journey", Journey wrote it!?

Although Perry's voice will always bring the Journey comparisons, the overall sound of Street Talk was significantly different than any Journey album had sounded at that point. Was it the polar opposite of Journey? Absolutely not, but it featured Journey's voice and one of it's prominent songwriters, so how could it have been.

It could be argued that much of the music on the Schon/Hammer albums was closer to the style of Journey albums to that point than Street talk was. The big difference is that Neal's voice doesn't have the same appeal obviously.

Either way, if Street Talk had bombed, Neal never would have complained about the style of the record.

LOL, you just put everything I wanted to say in your post.....I totally agree. I'm sorry, but Neal's whining about Perry's solo record sounding commercially like Journey and his didn't (how much more commercial could his No More Lies video be).......is right up there with "I never felt like part of the band". The 2 statements that bothered me most on BTM. Personally, I didn't think Streettalk sounded much like Journey (besides the voice of course)......most of it sounded more Motown to me.

[larryfromnextdoor]

If you go by the release dates Neal did go solo before Steve.

If Steve would have just sung his songs using a large bath towel to muffle his voice Neal would have been happy. He asked Steve repeatedly to change his voice for Street Talk. Steve is such a prick he wouldnt do it.

All he had to do was muffled his voice & Neal would of been happy. What an ass for not doing it.

Um, poster...how do you know these things....what's your inside scoop and source?

would you not fall for things so easily ,, yogi is a strange cat, but his humor is underrated..

[SteveForever]

If you go by the release dates Neal did go solo before Steve.

If Steve would have just sung his songs using a large bath towel to muffle his voice Neal would have been happy. He asked Steve repeatedly to change his voice for Street Talk. Steve is such a prick he wouldnt do it.

All he had to do was muffled his voice & Neal would of been happy. What an ass for not doing it.

Um, poster...how do you know these things....what's your inside scoop and source?

would you not fall for things so easily ,, yogi is a strange cat, but his humor is underrated..

Its called sarcasm......would you please not fall for things so easily......I was going along with his joke turkey.

[larryfromnextdoor]

I just finished listening to the Perry interview tonight. Perry said that he objected to Schon doing his first solo record and communicated that to Herbie. From there Schon did a second record and then Steve P did "Street Talk." If that is how it went down, then Schon must be a dick. Thoughts?

aaron , i think its as easy as this:.... perry saw he and neal as a team, when neal went outside he took potential journey riffs and material with him that was normally at perrys disposal.. so the word "betrayed" came up.. perry ran journey at the time and neal wouldnt always play that game.. street talk was created from perry being hurt by neal... street talk was fabulous... hsas was too!! but 3 or 4 songs on both schon and hammer songs were all that were great..should have been used for journey..

[larryfromnextdoor]

If you go by the release dates Neal did go solo before Steve.

If Steve would have just sung his songs using a large bath towel to muffle his voice Neal would have been happy. He asked Steve repeatedly to change his voice for Street Talk. Steve is such a prick he wouldnt do it.

All he had to do was muffled his voice & Neal would of been happy. What an ass for not doing it.

Um, poster...how do you know these things....what's your inside scoop and source?

would you not fall for things so easily ,, yogi is a strange cat, but his humor is underrated..

Its called sarcasm......would you please not fall for things so easily......I was going along with his joke turkey.

i knew that you knew that i knew that !!! double sarcasm!!! ......

[Deb]

If you go by the release dates Neal did go solo before Steve.

If Steve would have just sung his songs using a large bath towel to muffle his voice Neal would have been happy. He asked Steve repeatedly to change his voice for Street Talk. Steve is such a prick he wouldnt do it.

All he had to do was muffled his voice & Neal would of been happy. What an ass for not doing it.

Um, poster...how do you know these things....what's your inside scoop and source?

would you not fall for things so easily ,, yogi is a strange cat, but his humor is underrated..

Its called sarcasm......would you please not fall for things so easily......I was going along with his joke turkey.

i knew that you knew that i knew that !!! double sarcasm!!! ......

LOL, u 2 sound like brother and sister.

[larryfromnextdoor]

If you go by the release dates Neal did go solo before Steve.

If Steve would have just sung his songs using a large bath towel to muffle his voice Neal would have been happy. He asked Steve repeatedly to change his voice for Street Talk. Steve is such a prick he wouldnt do it.

All he had to do was muffled his voice & Neal would of been happy. What an ass for not doing it.

Um, poster...how do you know these things....what's your inside scoop and source?

would you not fall for things so easily ,, yogi is a strange cat, but his humor is underrated..

Its called sarcasm......would you please not fall for things so easily......I was going along with his joke turkey.

i knew that you knew that i knew that !!! double sarcasm!!! ......

LOL, u 2 sound like brother and sister.

i would be the younger brother!...ehheehheehheehehehehe

[NealIsGod]

If you go by the release dates Neal did go solo before Steve.

If Steve would have just sung his songs using a large bath towel to muffle his voice Neal would have been happy. He asked Steve repeatedly to change his voice for Street Talk. Steve is such a prick he wouldnt do it.

All he had to do was muffled his voice & Neal would of been happy. What an ass for not doing it.

Um, poster...how do you know these things....what's your inside scoop and source?

would you not fall for things so easily ,, yogi is a strange cat, but his humor is underrated..

Its called sarcasm......would you please not fall for things so easily......I was going along with his joke turkey.

i knew that you knew that i knew that !!! double sarcasm!!! ......

just kidding!

[SteveForever]

If you go by the release dates Neal did go solo before Steve.

If Steve would have just sung his songs using a large bath towel to muffle his voice Neal would have been happy. He asked Steve repeatedly to change his voice for Street Talk. Steve is such a prick he wouldnt do it.

All he had to do was muffled his voice & Neal would of been happy. What an ass for not doing it.

Um, poster...how do you know these things....what's your inside scoop and source?

would you not fall for things so easily ,, yogi is a strange cat, but his humor is underrated..

Its called sarcasm......would you please not fall for things so easily......I was going along with his joke turkey.

i knew that you knew that i knew that !!! double sarcasm!!! ......

LOL, u 2 sound like brother and sister.

i would be the younger brother!...ehheehheehheehehehehe

That's right, and your older sister was going to introduce you to a hot chickie she knows here in Austin, but not any more bubba.

[Deb]

If you go by the release dates Neal did go solo before Steve.

If Steve would have just sung his songs using a large bath towel to muffle his voice Neal would have been happy. He asked Steve repeatedly to change his voice for Street Talk. Steve is such a prick he wouldnt do it.

All he had to do was muffled his voice & Neal would of been happy. What an ass for not doing it.

Um, poster...how do you know these things....what's your inside scoop and source?

would you not fall for things so easily ,, yogi is a strange cat, but his humor is underrated..

Its called sarcasm......would you please not fall for things so easily......I was going along with his joke turkey.

i knew that you knew that i knew that !!! double sarcasm!!! ......

just kidding!

[PROPERRY]

It's kind of a joke that Schon uses the analogy that his solo projects were not commercial and completely different from Journey. The reason that he can classify the Hammer/Schon albums as non-commercial is only because they didn't sell well enough to be considered such.
The song "No More Lies" is a very straight-forward mainstream rock track. It was released as a single and they even did a video for it (why bother with a vid if your not looking for commercial appeal). Hell, he even did a Journey penned tune ("Self Defense") on the Schon/Hammer record, so how is that "completely different from Journey", Journey wrote it!?

Although Perry's voice will always bring the Journey comparisons, the overall sound of Street Talk was significantly different than any Journey album had sounded at that point. Was it the polar opposite of Journey? Absolutely not, but it featured Journey's voice and one of it's prominent songwriters, so how could it have been.

It could be argued that much of the music on the Schon/Hammer albums was closer to the style of Journey albums to that point than Street talk was. The big difference is that Neal's voice doesn't have the same appeal obviously

Either way, if Street Talk had bombed, Neal never would have complained about the style of the record.

LOL, you just put everything I wanted to say in your post.....I totally agree. I'm sorry, but Neal's whining about Perry's solo record sounding commercially like Journey and his didn't (how much more commercial could his No More Lies video be).......is right up there with "I never felt like part of the band". The 2 statements that bothered me most on BTM. Personally, I didn't think Streettalk sounded much like Journey (besides the voice of course)......most of it sounded more Motown to me.

I agree with both of you. Besides if Neal can go off & do two solo projects, then Perry certainly had a right to do his own solo project, without Neal whining about it.

Lori

[yogi]

I wasn't being sarcastic at all. I am stating fact. You be the judge.

In a 1994 Goldmine magazine issue. Issue #445A www.goldminemusic/sperry/nschon/int.com Steve talks about sending Neal audio tapes of four songs from Street Talk. The songs were Captured By The Moment, Oh Sherrie, Go Away, and She's Mine. It took me a while but I found the issues and article I will quote Neal:

' I told Steve this sounded like Journey. ' It was shi t rotten Journey, but it sure sounded like us'. ' He didnt care.' He knew that I had already released my material with Jan, and this was the pricks way of getting even'. ' I told him this could fracture the Journey name. He said so freakin' what, Ive never felt like one of the guys anyhow. He then started crying.

'The SOB cries all the damn time. I remember one time Waste Management had come to pick up his trash and knocked a can over. He cried all damn afternoon over that. He's more damn sensitive than Michael Jackson. It's a little know fact that Steve loves marshmellows. One day as a nice jesture Jonathan & Ross pitched in and as a gift bought him a bag of those little Craft colored ones. Who checks the expiration dates? They were stale. Steve cried for 45 minutes over those damn marshmellows.'

'Anyway after hearing those substandard Journey songs recorded by Steve I begged him to change his sound for his solo release. After I knew he wouldnt, I went over to a Motel 6. I sent him three bath towels from the motel. I told him to sing through bath towel one for his album. This would muffle his voice some and not fracture the Journey name that we had all busted are asses for. If he refused I told him to get use to usin bath towels 2&3 cause he would never make it on his own as a singer.' 'He needs Journey.' Get used to staying at the Motel 6 brother Steve.'

[SF-Dano]

Lets see, from the 2 Schon and Hammer recordings you guys can come up with two "straight forward" sounding songs in "No More Lies" and "In Self Defense". Personally I would not say ISD is straight forward, but anyway. 2 tunes from 2 records worth of music, well that really sounds like they were out to write a bunch of hit sogns . And they made a video for one. Gee did ya' maybe think they might want to make a little money off the project. As for HSAS, I would say maybe 3 or 4 straight forward rock songs, but the rest of that recording had a more experimental jam vibe to it also.

Street Talk, whatever genre you want to describe it as, pop/R&B/rock, was not experimental or jam oriented. It was music created to produce hits and make alot of money, and to ultimately allow Perry to test the waters for a solo carreer.
I do not think, nor is there any evidence Neal was ever going for a solo or spinoff carreer with his side projects. Now, I can agree that maybe a small arguement can be made against Neal regarding HSAS, but not the Schon and Hammer stuff. But even with HSAS, I don't think they were going for hit songs. Don't tell me that writers like Hagar and Neal could not put together a more hit oriented albut than Through the Fire if that was their goal.

Lastly, if Neal is a dick, then Perry comes across as a whinny, dickless child, crying to Herbie, if Neal gets to do it why can't I. Childish. Perry needed cues from others to make his descisions and still does sometimes it seems. Did he want to continue with Journey after Frontiers (he couldn't decide right away), did he ever officially retire from or quit Journey after ROR (he couldn't decide, had to leave that door open, but only for himslef), could he decide what he wanted to do after TBF( well not for at least two years, we know that). So Neal is the dick? I am sure neither Perry or Neal is a saint, but it seems to me Perry rates much higher on the dick meter that Neal does. Sorry for the rant, but the title of the thread got me a little upset this mornign.

[Red13JoePa]

did he ever officially retire from or quit Journey after ROR (he couldn't decide, had to leave that door open, but only for himslef)

Ding ding ding.

[Matthew]

Did he want to continue with Journey after Frontiers (he couldn't decide right away), did he ever officially retire from or quit Journey after ROR (he couldn't decide, had to leave that door open, but only for himslef),

Perry told Schon and Cain he didn't want to continue with Journey in '87 AND '89. There's an interview on Perryville which describes how Cain approached Perry in '89 and Perry said again that he wasn't interested....and told them not to wait for him.

Sounds pretty decisive to me.

Schon and Hammer recorded three videos I think - but I take your point that the priority of Schon's 80s side projects wasn't to launch an assault on the charts...although I can't believe he was indifferent to commercial success.

But why Perry's desire in '84 to produce a hit album makes him in any way a dick is beyond me. So he complained tht Schon wasn't sufficiently committed to Journey at one stage? So what? The same people who whine on about Perry's lack of commitment to Journey should ADMIRE the fact that in the early 80s Perry was pissed off that Schon wasn't concentrating all his energies on the band.


Overall though...the tension between Schon and Perry is a big reason why Journey were such a great band....and why Journey has become one long hackathon since that chemistry disappeared....

[Deb]

I wasn't being sarcastic at all. I am stating fact. You be the judge.

In a 1994 Goldmine magazine issue. Issue #445A www.goldminemusic/sperry/nschon/int.com Steve talks about sending Neal audio tapes of four songs from Street Talk. The songs were Captured By The Moment, Oh Sherrie, Go Away, and She's Mine. It took me a while but I found the issues and article I will quote Neal:

' I told Steve this sounded like Journey. ' It was shi t rotten Journey, but it sure sounded like us'. ' He didnt care.' He knew that I had already released my material with Jan, and this was the pricks way of getting even'. ' I told him this could fracture the Journey name. He said so freakin' what, Ive never felt like one of the guys anyhow. He then started crying.

'The SOB cries all the damn time. I remember one time Waste Management had come to pick up his trash and knocked a can over. He cried all damn afternoon over that. He's more damn sensitive than Michael Jackson. It's a little know fact that Steve loves marshmellows. One day as a nice jesture Jonathan & Ross pitched in and as a gift bought him a bag of those little Craft colored ones. Who checks the expiration dates? They were stale. Steve cried for 45 minutes over those damn marshmellows.'

'Anyway after hearing those substandard Journey songs recorded by Steve I begged him to change his sound for his solo release. After I knew he wouldnt, I went over to a Motel 6. I sent him three bath towels from the motel. I told him to sing through bath towel one for his album. This would muffle his voice some and not fracture the Journey name that we had all busted are asses for. If he refused I told him to get use to usin bath towels 2&3 cause he would never make it on his own as a singer.' 'He needs Journey.' Get used to staying at the Motel 6 brother Steve.'

Sorry yogi, but if Neal actually really did say that, all that proves to me is who is higher on the "dick" meter..........as SF-Dano calls it. Who the hell buys somebody a bag of marshmellows.......hmmmm, might understand that "never felt like part of the band" statement a little more. Muffle your voice with a towel? WTF?

[SF-Dano]

It is interesting to see how interviews and quotes from Steve Perry are taken as gospel around here by some. And then other interviews and quotes from Schon or Cain are given no credit when it does not fit the posters agenda of glorifying Perry and degrading the rest. Do I believe all the the things Perry has said in interviews, no, and the same with Schon. There have been too many differing quotes and reasons given by both sides regarding issues in Journey's history. In my previous post, I simply stated my opinion of what any observer can see from the outside, sans the referral to the BTM comment about Perry using Neal as an excuse to do a solo record.

Perry told Schon and Cain he didn't want to continue with Journey in '87 AND '89. There's an interview on Perryville which describes how Cain approached Perry in '89 and Perry said again that he wasn't interested....and told them not to wait for him.

I'm sure the interview is there, and I am sure you believe it. I have not read this interview but 1989 was about 2.5 years after the release of ROR. Still took 2+years. Yea, real decisive.

yogi wrote:
I wasn't being sarcastic at all. I am stating fact. You be the judge.

In a 1994 Goldmine magazine issue. Issue #445A www.goldminemusic/sperry/nschon/int.com Steve talks about sending Neal audio tapes of four songs from Street Talk. The songs were Captured By The Moment, Oh Sherrie, Go Away, and She's Mine. It took me a while but I found the issues and article I will quote Neal:

' I told Steve this sounded like Journey. ' It was shi t rotten Journey, but it sure sounded like us'. ' He didnt care.' He knew that I had already released my material with Jan, and this was the pricks way of getting even'. ' I told him this could fracture the Journey name. He said so freakin' what, Ive never felt like one of the guys anyhow. He then started crying.

'The SOB cries all the damn time. I remember one time Waste Management had come to pick up his trash and knocked a can over. He cried all damn afternoon over that. He's more damn sensitive than Michael Jackson. It's a little know fact that Steve loves marshmellows. One day as a nice jesture Jonathan & Ross pitched in and as a gift bought him a bag of those little Craft colored ones. Who checks the expiration dates? They were stale. Steve cried for 45 minutes over those damn marshmellows.'

'Anyway after hearing those substandard Journey songs recorded by Steve I begged him to change his sound for his solo release. After I knew he wouldnt, I went over to a Motel 6. I sent him three bath towels from the motel. I told him to sing through bath towel one for his album. This would muffle his voice some and not fracture the Journey name that we had all busted are asses for. If he refused I told him to get use to usin bath towels 2&3 cause he would never make it on his own as a singer.' 'He needs Journey.' Get used to staying at the Motel 6 brother Steve.'


Sorry yogi, but if Neal actually really did say that, all that proves to me is who is higher on the "dick" meter..........as SF-Dano calls it. Who the hell buys somebody a bag of marshmellows.......hmmmm, might understand that "never felt like part of the band" statement a little more. Muffle your voice with a towel? WTF?

Again, it is interesting, and most telling about the poster, which interviews and quotes they choose to believe and which facts they choose to continually ignore or attempt to rationalize. The link to this interview did not work for me, but I will give you credit and acknowledge that it probably exists.

[yogi]

I'll give you one more good quote from the goldmime article you be the judge. By the way I just went to the link and it worked perfectly www.goldmimemusic/sperry/nschon/int.com. Try it again if it doesnt work pm me and if you have access to a fax machine I will fax you a copy.

Steve does get some good shots in during the interview, but shi t Neal seems REAL bitter and hammers Steve pretty good. Here's some more from Neal.

' When MTV started playing his videos in heavy rotation we all pretty well knew Journey would never be the same'. The funny thing was Sherrie was running around on him for years. He made her famous and she leaves his sorry ass for a rodeo mime'.

[JeremyP]

You're killing me yogi.

[Deb]

yogi wrote:
I wasn't being sarcastic at all. I am stating fact. You be the judge.

In a 1994 Goldmine magazine issue. Issue #445A www.goldminemusic/sperry/nschon/int.com Steve talks about sending Neal audio tapes of four songs from Street Talk. The songs were Captured By The Moment, Oh Sherrie, Go Away, and She's Mine. It took me a while but I found the issues and article I will quote Neal:

' I told Steve this sounded like Journey. ' It was shi t rotten Journey, but it sure sounded like us'. ' He didnt care.' He knew that I had already released my material with Jan, and this was the pricks way of getting even'. ' I told him this could fracture the Journey name. He said so freakin' what, Ive never felt like one of the guys anyhow. He then started crying.

'The SOB cries all the damn time. I remember one time Waste Management had come to pick up his trash and knocked a can over. He cried all damn afternoon over that. He's more damn sensitive than Michael Jackson. It's a little know fact that Steve loves marshmellows. One day as a nice jesture Jonathan & Ross pitched in and as a gift bought him a bag of those little Craft colored ones. Who checks the expiration dates? They were stale. Steve cried for 45 minutes over those damn marshmellows.'

'Anyway after hearing those substandard Journey songs recorded by Steve I begged him to change his sound for his solo release. After I knew he wouldnt, I went over to a Motel 6. I sent him three bath towels from the motel. I told him to sing through bath towel one for his album. This would muffle his voice some and not fracture the Journey name that we had all busted are asses for. If he refused I told him to get use to usin bath towels 2&3 cause he would never make it on his own as a singer.' 'He needs Journey.' Get used to staying at the Motel 6 brother Steve.'


Sorry yogi, but if Neal actually really did say that, all that proves to me is who is higher on the "dick" meter..........as SF-Dano calls it. Who the hell buys somebody a bag of marshmellows.......hmmmm, might understand that "never felt like part of the band" statement a little more. Muffle your voice with a towel? WTF?

Again, it is interesting, and most telling about the poster, which interviews and quotes they choose to believe and which facts they choose to continually ignore or attempt to rationalize. The link to this interview did not work for me, but I will give you credit and acknowledge that it probably exists.

SF-Dano if you are talking about me, say so. That is why I said "if Neal actually said that" because I haven't seen the article. I was just saying that I didn't think Neal came across very well in that IMO. I haven't read one article of Perry slamming Schon, probably more the opposite. So sorry to say, that article did nothing in changing my opinion that Perry's got more class. I consider myself quite open-minded, so I don't over-rationalize or ignore facts.......do I like everything Perry has said or done, NOT in the least. If the comments don't sit well, they don't sit well, no matter who it is from. We are all "Journey" fans....I'm more of a Perry fan and you're more of a Schon fan, it's all good.

[Matthew]

In my previous post, I simply stated my opinion of what any observer can see from the outside, sans the referral to the BTM comment about Perry using Neal as an excuse to do a solo record.

I'd say it was more a motivation than an excuse. If Neal - the co-founder of the band - was 'expressing himself' in outside projects, then it was an entirely reasonable for Perry to eventually try a side-project of his own. Schon would probably have accepted this with good grace had Perry's popularity not completely eclipsed his own.

I'm sure the interview is there, and I am sure you believe it. I have not read this interview but 1989 was about 2.5 years after the release of ROR. Still took 2+years. Yea, real decisive.

The interview was given by Jonathan Cain.

It took two years for Cain to ask whether Perry had changed his mind - which Perry hadn't. If anyone was being indecisive during this time it was Cain and Schon.

[SF-Dano]

SF-Dano if you are talking about me, say so. That is why I said "if Neal actually said that" because I haven't seen the article. I was just saying that I didn't think Neal came across very well in that IMO. I haven't read one article of Perry slamming Schon, probably more the opposite. So sorry to say, that article did nothing in changing my opinion that Perry's got more class. I consider myself quite open-minded, so I don't over-rationalize or ignore facts.......do I like everything Perry has said or done, NOT in the least. If the comments don't sit well, they don't sit well, no matter who it is from. We are all "Journey" fans....I'm more of a Perry fan and you're more of a Schon fan, it's all good.

Not calling you out specifically Strungout. I just got a little pissed off, when I check into this forum this morining and the first thing I see is a thread where someone is calling Neal a dick and trying to prop up Steve Perry as the ideal image of the good-guy. You are correct, we are all "Journey" fans, so IMO, we should be well beyond the point of coming here and having to see BS like that. As I said before, neither Perry or Schon is a saint. Can we all quit trying to prop one or the other up as being a better person at the expense of the other. I have never started a thread like one of these, but I will definately voice my opinion when I see one. I don't have an agenda other than being a Journey fan past, present, and future. Others have an agenda (again not directed at you strungout), and that agenda has always been to prop up Steve Perry and his contributions to the band Journey at the expense of the other members' contributions and reputations.

[Matthew]

SF-Dano if you are talking about me, say so. That is why I said "if Neal actually said that" because I haven't seen the article. I was just saying that I didn't think Neal came across very well in that IMO. I haven't read one article of Perry slamming Schon, probably more the opposite. So sorry to say, that article did nothing in changing my opinion that Perry's got more class. I consider myself quite open-minded, so I don't over-rationalize or ignore facts.......do I like everything Perry has said or done, NOT in the least. If the comments don't sit well, they don't sit well, no matter who it is from. We are all "Journey" fans....I'm more of a Perry fan and you're more of a Schon fan, it's all good.

Not calling you out specifically Strungout. I just got a little pissed off, when I check into this forum this morining and the first thing I see is a thread where someone is calling Neal a dick and trying to prop up Steve Perry as the ideal image of the good-guy. You are correct, we are all "Journey" fans, so IMO, we should be well beyond the point of coming here and having to see BS like that. As I said before, neither Perry or Schon is a saint. Can we all quit trying to prop one or the other up as being a better person at the expense of the other. I have never started a thread like one of these, but I will definately voice my opinion when I see one. I don't have an agenda other than being a Journey fan past, present, and future. Others have an agenda (again not directed at you strungout), and that agenda has always been to prop up Steve Perry and his contributions to the band Journey at the expense of the other members' contributions and reputations.

SF - your posts are consistently pro-Schon. There's nothing wrong with that...but I don't see much of this impartiality of which you speak.

[Red13JoePa]

So Perry actually told Schon/Cain, "I'm done with Journey, that's it, go on without me?"


Most of the info I've read and heard and seen (Behind The Music said [Paraphrasing]"there was no annoucement, no press release, no farewell concert, the band slipped into silence.") are of the notion that Perry put the band on indefinate hiatus in '86 without REAL committment to the band one way or another.
For evidence that he does this, we all need look no further than the annual or semi-annual proclomations of "I'm REALLY thinking of doing something SOON" not DEFINATELY committing one way or other.

So they cooled their heels, doing BE, which of course SP was fine with.

he didn't want to do vox for WIT and IYA for Time3 in '92 so praps the band took that as the answer they'd waited for since '87 and tried to reform w/ Chalfont and Rolie/Cain.

Suddenly SP comes down w/ a serious twinge to be "back in Journey."

And if the quote Perry gave Cain in '89, not to wait for him, happened, then we learned in 2001 that quote also meant "Don't wait for me UNLESS it comes to continuing with Journey. THEN wait. Until such time as I feel like it."

[NealIsGod]

"there was no annoucement, no press release, the band slipped into silence.")

Sounds familiar.

[*Laura]

I wasn't being sarcastic at all. I am stating fact. You be the judge.

In a 1994 Goldmine magazine issue. Issue #445A www.goldminemusic/sperry/nschon/int.com Steve talks about sending Neal audio tapes of four songs from Street Talk. The songs were Captured By The Moment, Oh Sherrie, Go Away, and She's Mine. It took me a while but I found the issues and article I will quote Neal:

' I told Steve this sounded like Journey. ' It was shi t rotten Journey, but it sure sounded like us'. ' He didnt care.' He knew that I had already released my material with Jan, and this was the pricks way of getting even'. ' I told him this could fracture the Journey name. He said so freakin' what, Ive never felt like one of the guys anyhow. He then started crying.

'The SOB cries all the damn time. I remember one time Waste Management had come to pick up his trash and knocked a can over. He cried all damn afternoon over that. He's more damn sensitive than Michael Jackson. It's a little know fact that Steve loves marshmellows. One day as a nice jesture Jonathan & Ross pitched in and as a gift bought him a bag of those little Craft colored ones. Who checks the expiration dates? They were stale. Steve cried for 45 minutes over those damn marshmellows.'

'Anyway after hearing those substandard Journey songs recorded by Steve I begged him to change his sound for his solo release. After I knew he wouldnt, I went over to a Motel 6. I sent him three bath towels from the motel. I told him to sing through bath towel one for his album. This would muffle his voice some and not fracture the Journey name that we had all busted are asses for. If he refused I told him to get use to usin bath towels 2&3 cause he would never make it on his own as a singer.' 'He needs Journey.' Get used to staying at the Motel 6 brother Steve.'

Thanks for the good laughs,Yogi!
I was wondering where was that article hiding all these years!

(is just that you will have to decide ...Is it "GoldmineMusic" or "GoldmimeMusic"?...I like the latter. )

[Red13JoePa]

"there was no annoucement, no press release, the band slipped into silence.")

Sounds familiar.

Crack up if you will, but how many tours did the Schon/Cain-led Journey just up and cancel in the middle?

Doing that does not exactly speak to the decisiveness with which some think SP brought neat closure to his Journey career in 1986.
If it was decisive, perhaps Cain/Schon would NOT have had to ask him what his intent was in '89?
Wonder what would've happened if at THAT time instead of doing BE they announced an intended new Journey album with Augeri or Chalfont singing.

[Matthew]

Crack up if you will, but how many tours did the Schon/Cain-led Journey just up and cancel in the middle?

None - because when the singer burned out this time they ploughed on regardless...and we all know what happened next....

If it was decisive, perhaps Cain/Schon would NOT have had to ask him what his intent was in '89?

True - but if Schon and Cain had been decisive then they wouldn't have asked....

Wonder what would've happened if at THAT time instead of doing BE they announced an intended new Journey album with Augeri or Chalfont singing.

Same thing. Karaoke. Collapse of album sales. Relentless tours.