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Re: The Band had a chance to gain Credibility but did not

Postby Jeremey » Fri Dec 22, 2006 4:23 am

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Jeremey wrote:
Enigma869 wrote:I'm not sure I agree with your premise, Jeremey, that age has much to do with this. I think the Rolling Stones and Aerosmith (and for the record, I'm not a huge fan of either band) have proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that bands can continue having enormous commercial success, regardless of what year the calendar is reading!


I must disagree as I don't believe Rolling Stones nor Aerosmith would have much luck getting a top 40 commercial hit. Journey continues to have commercial success as a touring act, even 2 singers away from their most popular lineup. But you're not going to hear a new Stones or Aerosmith song being played on the radio next to the latest Nickleback or Evanescence song. But as I mentioned, there's many definitions of commercial success in the music business these days. Having a top 40 radio airplay success as defined in the original post isn't going to come to Journey at this point in the game, nor any of their contemporaries (which RS nor Aerosmith really weren't their contemporaries, actually)...


Jeremey...

I was really only making the point that the guys in Journey aren't much more than 5 years younger than the guys in Aerosmith or the Stones (for the record, I realize that Deen and Jeff are quite a bit younger).

I was really making the point that a band's age couldn't be less relevant when it comes to cd sales. The reality is that The Rolling Stones had the second highest selling cd in 2005 with "A Bigger Bang", and these guys are older than dirt! The only CD that outsold it in the entire year of 2005 was Kanye West's "Late Registration". I also know that Aerosmith's 2004 release of "Honkin' on Bobo" charted as high as number 5 on the US pop charts. That is one release for each band in the past two years that has had pretty impressive "commercial success" in the US. I define commercial success as the ability to sell CD's, as that is something tangible that isn't subjective!

I just don't think Journey not selling cd's has a thing to do with the year on any of their birth certificates. I think it has a lot more to do with an industry who is caught up in Steve Perry and Journey being one in the same. I certainly hope that the next new release is much better received by the music industry and the buying public. I just don't see Journey receiving mainstream radio play and even coming close to the US top 40 charts with anything they release, sans Perry. I would be ecstatic to see myself proven wrong with this theory. As always, time will tell, once Journey puts something new out there for us to listen to.

John from Boston


Yeah, I didn't really mean the age of the band members themselves, etc...More the era that the band came out. Looking at it from that perspective, I just meant their contemporaries, as in the bands from that era such as Survivor, Journey, Asia, Starship, Styx, REO Speedwagon, etc etc - Not the age of the players, but the era of the band itself, and the likelihood that those contemporaries would have a hit on commercial radio.
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Postby ArnelRox » Fri Dec 22, 2006 4:24 am

tragchk wrote:
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ohsherrie wrote:Can you believe I'm agreeing with you NIG? :? My how things have changed with the frontman. :lol:


I'm agreeing w/him too. All anyone has to do is look at my sig to know how I feel about Perry.


JSS is bringing the Perry diehards back to the group. And he satisfies the fans who want Journey to rock. He is the perfect choice for singer.


....and I want NIG's response as MY sig now....because that's exactly what's happened for me. 8)


Wow, Nora is on board? Damn, girl. That is great news. I never thought u would come around.

Does anyone see what is happening here? Most of the Perry fans are getting blown over by Jeff. Most of us thought no one could blow us over ever again. But it happened. This is great.
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Postby ArnelRox » Fri Dec 22, 2006 4:27 am

heardonthestreet wrote:
Moon Beam wrote:Hey HOTS, it was never Steve Perry's band.
So how can it be a Steve Perry tribute band?



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It's all about accentuating the positive.


If u smiled, would ur face crack? U are such a negative bitter person.
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Re: The Band had a chance to gain Credibility but did not

Postby Enigma869 » Fri Dec 22, 2006 4:32 am

lowdbrent wrote:
Enigma869 wrote:
Jeremey wrote:
Aerosmith was about done until the rap version of "Walk this way" through more gas on the fire. They had some help with movie soundtrack deals which exposed them to a younger audience.
The Stones is a cult band. I think people mostly go to a Stones concert because it is a status symbol and a life experience to be cherished, and something that is cool to do. It can't be because of the musicianship. Holy cow they are horrid.


Well, whether or not Aerosmith's version of "Walk This Way" with Run DMC somehow revived them is irrelevant. The reality is that the song you're speaking of was released in the mid-eighties, and they've sold a whole lot of albums since that time. Also, sure The Stones have a cult following. I don't disagree with you at all, on that point. Again, it still doesn't change the fact that both of these very old bands have top 5 albums, within the past 2 years! For the record, I despise The Stones and still can't believe that people actually think Mick Jagger can sing!


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Postby PROPERRY » Fri Dec 22, 2006 4:35 am

JourneyRox wrote:
PROPERRY wrote:NOT this diehard Perry Fan!! I'm sticking with Steve Perry! HE is the ONLY singer that CAN give me GREAT satisfaction, when it comes to SINGING Journey's music... NO MATTER WHO NEAL get's to sing for Journey, NO ONE is better than Perry, ABSOLUTELY NO ONE.... So I'll GLADLY KEEP on listening to ALL my CD's & DVD's of the BEST FRONTMAN of Journey ever..... Steve Perry!!! :D

Lori


Lori, u will miss out then & I'm sorry for u. I love Perry like anyone else. I play his music ALL day long. But Jeff is a talent worth seeing. I really think u should give him a try.



No JourneyRox, I don't feel that way. I feel I have the BEST Journey of all, that is the Journey WITH Steve Perry, so I don't feel I'm missing out on anything at all. He is the original singer & co-creater of ALL those GREAT songs, and NO ONE ELSE can do it for me!!

As far as giving JSS a try, well I gave Augeri a chance & was not impressed with him, and quite frankly I just don't feel JSS could impress me either. Now don't take that the wrong way, I feel everyone has a right to like what they like, and for MYSELF, I'm just KEEPING with the singer & music that I love best... Steve Perry! :D

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Postby ArnelRox » Fri Dec 22, 2006 4:39 am

PROPERRY wrote:
JourneyRox wrote:
PROPERRY wrote:NOT this diehard Perry Fan!! I'm sticking with Steve Perry! HE is the ONLY singer that CAN give me GREAT satisfaction, when it comes to SINGING Journey's music... NO MATTER WHO NEAL get's to sing for Journey, NO ONE is better than Perry, ABSOLUTELY NO ONE.... So I'll GLADLY KEEP on listening to ALL my CD's & DVD's of the BEST FRONTMAN of Journey ever..... Steve Perry!!! :D

Lori


Lori, u will miss out then & I'm sorry for u. I love Perry like anyone else. I play his music ALL day long. But Jeff is a talent worth seeing. I really think u should give him a try.



No JourneyRox, I don't feel that way. I feel I have the BEST Journey of all, that is the Journey WITH Steve Perry, so I don't feel I'm missing out on anything at all. He is the original singer & co-creater of ALL those GREAT songs, and NO ONE ELSE can do it for me!!

As far as giving JSS a try, well I gave Augeri a chance & was not impressed with him, and quite frankly I just don't feel JSS could impress me either. Now don't take that the wrong way, I feel everyone has a right to like what they like, and for MYSELF, I'm just KEEPING with the singer & music that I love best... Steve Perry! :D

Lori


Lori, I gave Augeri a chance too & he didn't meet the mark. Jeff is a whole different kettle of fish tho. Honestly. He totally won me over to the point of tears b/c now I can still go see Journey live & enjoy it. Perry will always be the singer I love the most out of any band, any singer, anywhere. But I do love Neal's guitar playing & Jon's keyboard wonders & I want to continue to love Journey. U should check out some of Jeff's work before Journey, like his solo stuff, Eyes, & Talisman. As a Perry fan, I think u will appreciate it more than u know right now. & I think, like me, Nora, Sherrie, Sallee & other Perry fans here, u may be won over. Give it a chance.
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Postby kcroyaljosh » Fri Dec 22, 2006 6:04 am

I was trying to make the point that bands like U2, Aerosmith,ACDC are still togther. There is something wrong with the journey lineup, ie egos ect.
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Postby Deb » Fri Dec 22, 2006 6:07 am

JourneyRox wrote:
PROPERRY wrote:
JourneyRox wrote:
PROPERRY wrote:NOT this diehard Perry Fan!! I'm sticking with Steve Perry! HE is the ONLY singer that CAN give me GREAT satisfaction, when it comes to SINGING Journey's music... NO MATTER WHO NEAL get's to sing for Journey, NO ONE is better than Perry, ABSOLUTELY NO ONE.... So I'll GLADLY KEEP on listening to ALL my CD's & DVD's of the BEST FRONTMAN of Journey ever..... Steve Perry!!! :D

Lori


Lori, u will miss out then & I'm sorry for u. I love Perry like anyone else. I play his music ALL day long. But Jeff is a talent worth seeing. I really think u should give him a try.



No JourneyRox, I don't feel that way. I feel I have the BEST Journey of all, that is the Journey WITH Steve Perry, so I don't feel I'm missing out on anything at all. He is the original singer & co-creater of ALL those GREAT songs, and NO ONE ELSE can do it for me!!

As far as giving JSS a try, well I gave Augeri a chance & was not impressed with him, and quite frankly I just don't feel JSS could impress me either. Now don't take that the wrong way, I feel everyone has a right to like what they like, and for MYSELF, I'm just KEEPING with the singer & music that I love best... Steve Perry! :D

Lori


Lori, I gave Augeri a chance too & he didn't meet the mark. Jeff is a whole different kettle of fish tho. Honestly. He totally won me over to the point of tears b/c now I can still go see Journey live & enjoy it. Perry will always be the singer I love the most out of any band, any singer, anywhere. But I do love Neal's guitar playing & Jon's keyboard wonders & I want to continue to love Journey. U should check out some of Jeff's work before Journey, like his solo stuff, Eyes, & Talisman. As a Perry fan, I think u will appreciate it more than u know right now. & I think, like me, Nora, Sherrie, Sallee & other Perry fans here, u may be won over. Give it a chance.


Bingo JRox! And enjoying the hell out of the JSS Journey takes absolutely nothing away from my being a big-time Perry fan!
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Postby ohsherrie » Fri Dec 22, 2006 6:19 am

tragchk wrote:
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JourneyRox wrote:
ohsherrie wrote:Can you believe I'm agreeing with you NIG? :? My how things have changed with the frontman. :lol:


I'm agreeing w/him too. All anyone has to do is look at my sig to know how I feel about Perry.


JSS is bringing the Perry diehards back to the group. And he satisfies the fans who want Journey to rock. He is the perfect choice for singer.


....and I want NIG's response as MY sig now....because that's exactly what's happened for me. 8)


:lol: Nora, I think NIG is developing his own fanclub here. :wink:
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Re: The Band had a chance to gain Credibility but did not

Postby ohsherrie » Fri Dec 22, 2006 6:41 am

Enigma869 wrote: ............Journey has been packaged as the same old "Journey" but most of their diehard fans realize that even though the name is still there, with the familiar packaging (i.e. Schon, Cain, Valory), something is not quite what it used to be.

As I've said before, it is my sincere hope that Journey can have some success, beyond touring, with Jeff fronting the band. I'm just not sure the music industry will ever take them seriously (i.e. playing their new music on mainstream radio and getting them onto tv to perform and promote their new music) without Steve Perry at the helm. As a fan of the music, I hope that I'm proven wrong about this point!

John from Boston


All of the things you said here are why I think they need to use Jeff's name and emphasize his joining the band as frontman in the PR for the new CD. Trying to sell it as the same Journey without Perry won't work because the industry just won't take them seriously without him. IMO it wouldn't have worked to push Augeri in PR as a "new voice for Journey" because he didn't have the voice, looks or charisma for it, but Jeff is another thing altogether.

I honestly think they can do it, maybe not to the extent that U2 or Bon Jovi have, but at least as well as Aerosmith and the Stones if management and a good label get behind them.
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Re: The Band had a chance to gain Credibility but did not

Postby Jeremey » Fri Dec 22, 2006 7:18 am

Enigma869 wrote:
lowdbrent wrote:
Enigma869 wrote:
Jeremey wrote:
Aerosmith was about done until the rap version of "Walk this way" through more gas on the fire. They had some help with movie soundtrack deals which exposed them to a younger audience.
The Stones is a cult band. I think people mostly go to a Stones concert because it is a status symbol and a life experience to be cherished, and something that is cool to do. It can't be because of the musicianship. Holy cow they are horrid.


Well, whether or not Aerosmith's version of "Walk This Way" with Run DMC somehow revived them is irrelevant. The reality is that the song you're speaking of was released in the mid-eighties, and they've sold a whole lot of albums since that time. Also, sure The Stones have a cult following. I don't disagree with you at all, on that point. Again, it still doesn't change the fact that both of these very old bands have top 5 albums, within the past 2 years! For the record, I despise The Stones and still can't believe that people actually think Mick Jagger can sing!


John from Boston


Hey, I didn't write that quote above, LowDBrent did!
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Postby ProgRocker53 » Fri Dec 22, 2006 10:32 am

I honestly believe that Journey is much better than Aerosmith, The Rolling Stones, and U2 and deserve much more than those bands.
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Postby tammy » Fri Dec 22, 2006 11:09 am

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Bingo JRox! And enjoying the hell out of the JSS Journey takes absolutely nothing away from my being a big-time Perry fan!


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RIGHT!! I just popped in the Journey GH DVD this afternoon and WOW! all over again each time I see it (which is a lot!)! Nothing will ever take that excitement away - I fall in love with THE VOICE more each time, so damn powerful! SP is always gonna be the ONE for me and I'll always prefer my CDs with his voice over all, but I can still enjoy the LIVE experience of Journey - besides, those are his lyrics & tunes, too and I never forget that - in fact, it makes me feel closer to SP in a way! :)
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Re: The Band had a chance to gain Credibility but did not

Postby Enigma869 » Fri Dec 22, 2006 11:20 am

Jeremey wrote:
Enigma869 wrote:
lowdbrent wrote:
Enigma869 wrote:
Jeremey wrote:
Aerosmith was about done until the rap version of "Walk this way" through more gas on the fire. They had some help with movie soundtrack deals which exposed them to a younger audience.
The Stones is a cult band. I think people mostly go to a Stones concert because it is a status symbol and a life experience to be cherished, and something that is cool to do. It can't be because of the musicianship. Holy cow they are horrid.


Well, whether or not Aerosmith's version of "Walk This Way" with Run DMC somehow revived them is irrelevant. The reality is that the song you're speaking of was released in the mid-eighties, and they've sold a whole lot of albums since that time. Also, sure The Stones have a cult following. I don't disagree with you at all, on that point. Again, it still doesn't change the fact that both of these very old bands have top 5 albums, within the past 2 years! For the record, I despise The Stones and still can't believe that people actually think Mick Jagger can sing!


John from Boston


Hey, I didn't write that quote above, LowDBrent did!



You're absolutely correct, Jeremey!!! My screw up with trying to get my quotes lined up! My bad :lol:

John from Boston

By the way Jeremey, I did notice you had no response to The Stones and Aerosmith with two albums charting in the US top 5 charts within the past two years! Do you not consider that to be "commercial success"??? I guess for me, it is the very definition of commercial success if the masses are buying what you're selling!
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Postby donnaplease » Fri Dec 22, 2006 11:40 am

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Lori, I gave Augeri a chance too & he didn't meet the mark. Jeff is a whole different kettle of fish tho. Honestly. He totally won me over to the point of tears b/c now I can still go see Journey live & enjoy it. Perry will always be the singer I love the most out of any band, any singer, anywhere. But I do love Neal's guitar playing & Jon's keyboard wonders & I want to continue to love Journey. U should check out some of Jeff's work before Journey, like his solo stuff, Eyes, & Talisman. As a Perry fan, I think u will appreciate it more than u know right now. & I think, like me, Nora, Sherrie, Sallee & other Perry fans here, u may be won over. Give it a chance.


Hey!!! What about me???? :evil:
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stones bigger bang cd

Postby roknroseville » Fri Dec 22, 2006 12:14 pm

The Rolling Stones a bigger bang the 2nd best selling cd this year ?? Where did you hear that from?
I don't think it even went gold!
One thing is true..
J Cain R Valory N Schon are all pushing 60 years old! That's 25 years outside there prime..
I think Journey fans forget that even Jrny n steve perry all age like all of us....
I give them lots of credit for touring as much as they have in the past 8 years....
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Re: stones bigger bang cd

Postby Enigma869 » Fri Dec 22, 2006 12:28 pm

roknroseville wrote:The Rolling Stones a bigger bang the 2nd best selling cd this year ?? Where did you hear that from?
I don't think it even went gold!



For the record, the reference I made to The Rolling Stones was in 2005, not this year. As for the source...It came straight from Rolling Stone Magazine.


http://www.rollingstone.com/special/895 ... ds_of_2005

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Postby SF-Dano » Sat Dec 23, 2006 6:21 am

kcroyaljosh wrote:I was trying to make the point that bands like U2, Aerosmith,ACDC are still togther. There is something wrong with the journey lineup, ie egos ect.


Lets examine this a bit further: AC/DC has had multiple drummer changes throughout their history, as well as bass changes. Also, although it was a forced circumstance, a lead singer change.

Aerosmith, already broke up once in the early 80s. And then, when they reformed, did not produce a different sounding record or 10+ years.

U2 - same members, you got me on that one.

ZZ Top - well, they are what they are.

RUSH - had a drummer change after their first record. But I won't count them.

I can't think of one other band with a history of over 10 years that hasn't had any changes. (Hell I can't think of any with a 5 year history, but there must be)

So that is three bands out of hundreds. If you don't like bands who break up or change members, there must not be much to listen to for you. Shame.

Also, regarding Journey, you must have started not liking them after the first record according to your paramaters. I mean, Tickner left, after that. Then they added Perry, then replaced Dunbar with Smith, then Rollie left and Cain joined. So I guess, you must be the only fan on here of the original Journey quintet only. Wow :roll:

Schon said it best in BTM regarging Perry, the band, & himself : "I changed, he changed, we all changed."

Hell some of the greatest, most popular bands of all time, couldn't hold it together for more than 10years. Beatles, Stones, Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath, Deep Purple, Guns & Roses, Van Halen, Scorpions, and many, many more.
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Re: The Band had a chance to gain Credibility but did not

Postby Jeremey » Sat Dec 23, 2006 6:28 am

Enigma869 wrote:

You're absolutely correct, Jeremey!!! My screw up with trying to get my quotes lined up! My bad :lol:

John from Boston

By the way Jeremey, I did notice you had no response to The Stones and Aerosmith with two albums charting in the US top 5 charts within the past two years! Do you not consider that to be "commercial success"??? I guess for me, it is the very definition of commercial success if the masses are buying what you're selling!


Sorry John, I didn't notice your response. My answer to the RS & Aerosmith charting is the same as before, though - They are not what I consider Journey contemporaries, which is what the original post was. When Foreigner, Styx, Asia, or Rick Springfield have another top 10 record, then I would consider that contemporaries. I don't think you can lump a British invasion band from the 60's and a hard rock 70's classic rock band in with Journey as contemporaries.
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