Just my 2 cents worth...

by **jrnyfan74** » Fri Dec 22, 2006 4:24 pm

I have been reading the posts on this site ever since the Leppard/Journey tour started, and I have to admit, I am a bit shocked. As a huge Journey fan, I just wanted to give my 2 cents worth on the latest news.

I went to 3 concerts this year (Charlotte, Dallas, Atlanta), and I can honestly say that I was not impressed with JSS. I do believe he is a talented singer, but he doesn't have the voice required to sing Journey music in my opinion. Most of the time he was drowned out by the music...but there were a few songs where there was no hiding (Don't Stop Believin' in particular). I am very disappointed that Journey has decided to make JSS there new lead man, and I wish they (including Perry) would take some tips from Def Leppard on what it means to be a band and stick by each other.

For those who think this will be the "rebirth" of Journey, you are sadly mistaken. Many of the hardcore fans such as myself now have a jaded view of the band due to their revolving door of lead singers. If Journey decides to take a "new approach" to their music, they will only turn out more terrible music like Red 13 and Generations (different sound...but same result that is). The long-time fans want to hear vintage Journey, and so do the younger generations who are introduced to Journey normally via their Greatest Hits CD.

So even though there are many Journey apologist and JSS fans on this site, I don't believe this represents the majority. This summers tour was successful because of the incredible double bill of Lep/Journey...but those around me who were sober enough agreed that JSS didn't embody the vintage Journey sound. At each concert, it was always Def Leppard who stole the show. I am just being flat honest and not looking through rose colored glasses here folks. Journey in its' proper incarnation (Perry, Schon, Cain, Valory, Smith) is second to none period...but it seems that neither the band nor Perry care enough about their fans to make the magic come back.

If a "household" name is what Schon is looking for, he might want to rethink his current strategy. Unless Journey tours with another big name like Leppard, they had better get used to playing fairs and plummeting ticket sales. Again...I love Journey, but this is just not a good move.

And by the way...you may think this is just propoganda to further my points, but the majority of negative reviews on the Journey website this summer were not posted! I tried to post one about 7 times to no avail, and I read reviews where people mentioned that there reviews were never posted due to a lack of enthusiasm about the new singer. I wish Journey well, but their new music with JSS will have to be incredible before I attend another concert.

by **ArnelRox** » Fri Dec 22, 2006 5:06 pm

jrnyfan74 wrote:I went to 3 concerts this year (Charlotte, Dallas, Atlanta), and I can honestly say that I was not impressed with JSS. I do believe he is a talented singer, but he doesn't have the voice required to sing Journey music in my opinion. Most of the time he was drowned out by the music...but there were a few songs where there was no hiding (Don't Stop Believin' in particular). I am very disappointed that Journey has decided to make JSS there new lead man, and I wish they (including Perry) would take some tips from Def Leppard on what it means to be a band and stick by each other.

I really should not feed people like u, but I am up tonite, in pain & can't help it. I only saw Jeff lead Journey twice. But there was absolutely no way his vocals were drowned out. In fact, his vocals were mixed in like Perry's used to be. They were the prominent feature, apart from Neal's solos.

Let me give u some examples. This, my friend, is Augeri in 1999:

http://download.yousendit.com/53E1E41B71655B12

He was singing poorly there, right? Can u at least admit that?

Now, take a listen to this video from 11/07/06:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=k6sCx0Eeiqg

That was my shitty camera from not even the best seats. But Jeff's voice is BY NO MEANS drowned out. I can hear it all over the place. It's strong. It's loud. It's out front in the mix.

I WISH I'd taped Def Leppard that nite lipping on some songs. It was so obvious & so pathetic. No, I never want Journey to do that again. Let Jeff bring on the future. He is where it's at.

by **Clasicrockldy** » Fri Dec 22, 2006 5:11 pm

Here we go again ! :roll:

What is the difference between a hard core fan and a die hard fan? A die hard fan never gives up on their band. They go thru the changes. I accept this line up of Journey , and let me tell you I have been thru 5 vocalist changes. Yes, 5. While I didn't care for Augeri's voice, I still listened to what he had done. Not impressive to me, but I will give him some credit for keeping Journey touring.

Now I will give you a fair warning................. with a post like this, be prepared for all the shit you may get, and trust me, you will get lots of it.

by **Lula** » Fri Dec 22, 2006 5:13 pm

Nice first post. My first post was obnoxious too and I ended up with a boyfriend. Good luck!

Susie, you are on tonight

.

by **Clasicrockldy** » Fri Dec 22, 2006 5:18 pm

Lula wrote:Nice first post. My first post was obnoxious too and I ended up with a boyfriend. Good luck!

Susie, you are on tonight .

Oh really Lula? I didn't know that !

by **Lula** » Fri Dec 22, 2006 5:20 pm

Yeah Sallee. I called Dean a pussy :lol:

... love at first sight

.

by **Clasicrockldy** » Fri Dec 22, 2006 5:21 pm

Lula wrote:Yeah Sallee. I called Dean a pussy ... love at first sight .

Lmaooo that is funny Lula ! I don't remember that post! :lol:

Damn, my eyes are swimming now. All that reading here and there................

by **yak** » Fri Dec 22, 2006 5:24 pm

jrnyfan74 wrote: I am very disappointed that Journey has decided to make JSS there new lead man, and I wish they (including Perry) would take some tips from Def Leppard on what it means to be a band and stick by each other.

This summers tour was successful because of the incredible double bill of Lep/Journey...but those around me who were sober enough agreed that JSS didn't embody the vintage Journey sound. At each concert, it was always Def Leppard who stole the show.

Unless Journey tours with another big name like Leppard, they had better get used to playing fairs and plummeting ticket sales.

You're kidding, right? (You're sense of humor is downright dry)

Here's hoping you got your two cents worth....

by **ArnelRox** » Fri Dec 22, 2006 5:25 pm

Lula wrote:Nice first post. My first post was obnoxious too and I ended up with a boyfriend. Good luck!

Susie, you are on tonight .

U mean I'm not always on? Damn! LMAO

by **conversationpc** » Fri Dec 22, 2006 10:42 pm

jrnyfan74 wrote:At each concert, it was always Def Leppard who stole the show. I am just being flat honest and not looking through rose colored glasses here folks.

What a load of BS that is. The newspaper reviews I've read indicate Journey was the better of the two bands. While DL might have been good, they were upstaged by Journey.

by **jrnyfan74** » Sat Dec 23, 2006 3:56 am

We all clearly have our own opinions...but the proof will be in the ticket and media sales when they release an album with JSS and try to tour by themselves promoting their "new sound". I saw Leppard in 2003 touring by themsleves, and they almost sold out Rupp Arena. Do you think Journey could do that now with their current lineup? Of course, the apologist here will say yes, but we all know there is no freakin way. Hell, I saw Journey with REO and STYX 3 times, and not 1 time was it ever sold out! The point is, is that the large majority want Perry back period. Live in your dream worlds if you like...but that is the FACT.

by **ArnelRox** » Sat Dec 23, 2006 4:06 am

jrnyfan74 wrote:We all clearly have our own opinions...but the proof will be in the ticket and media sales when they release an album with JSS and try to tour by themselves promoting their "new sound". I saw Leppard in 2003 touring by themsleves, and they almost sold out Rupp Arena. Do you think Journey could do that now with their current lineup? Of course, the apologist here will say yes, but we all know there is no freakin way. Hell, I saw Journey with REO and STYX 3 times, and not 1 time was it ever sold out! The point is, is that the large majority want Perry back period. Live in your dream worlds if you like...but that is the FACT.

It's not a fact until we see how it turns out w/the new album & tour. Let's wait & see. If ur right, I will be the 1st to tell u so. How about that? Deal?

by **NealIsGod** » Sat Dec 23, 2006 4:12 am

conversationpc wrote:
jrnyfan74 wrote:At each concert, it was always Def Leppard who stole the show. I am just being flat honest and not looking through rose colored glasses here folks.

What a load of BS that is. The newspaper reviews I've read indicate Journey was the better of the two bands. While DL might have been good, they were upstaged by Journey.

AR's got the Baltimore vids of Journey AND Lep. Lep is so bad it's laughable.

by **ArnelRox** » Sat Dec 23, 2006 4:15 am

NealIsGod wrote:
conversationpc wrote:
jrnyfan74 wrote:At each concert, it was always Def Leppard who stole the show. I am just being flat honest and not looking through rose colored glasses here folks.

What a load of BS that is. The newspaper reviews I've read indicate Journey was the better of the two bands. While DL might have been good, they were upstaged by Journey.

AR's got the Baltimore vids of Journey AND Lep. Lep is so bad it's laughable.

Ask him to throw up a Lep clip if he has time. That would be the proof in the pudding.

by **NealIsGod** » Sat Dec 23, 2006 4:16 am

JourneyRox wrote:
NealIsGod wrote:
conversationpc wrote:
jrnyfan74 wrote:At each concert, it was always Def Leppard who stole the show. I am just being flat honest and not looking through rose colored glasses here folks.

What a load of BS that is. The newspaper reviews I've read indicate Journey was the better of the two bands. While DL might have been good, they were upstaged by Journey.

AR's got the Baltimore vids of Journey AND Lep. Lep is so bad it's laughable.

Ask him to throw up a Lep clip if he has time. That would be the proof in the pudding.

I think he did in the Lep forum.

by **FormerJrnyFan** » Sat Dec 23, 2006 4:54 am

jrnyfan74 wrote:... At each concert, it was always Def Leppard who stole the show...

100% correct - prior to July 7th.

The tour for Journey began lifeless and dull with the band appearing tired and distant (my personal opinion). They did get shown up by Def Leppard during a handful of shows in the beginning of the tour. The entire tour took a turn when Jeff came on board with his energy and talent and breathed new life into the band.

by **jrnyfan74** » Sat Dec 23, 2006 6:03 am

Deal JourneyRox...and I do hope I am wrong!

by AR » Sat Dec 23, 2006 6:08 am

I think he did in the Lep forum.

Love Bites and Bringing on the Heartbreak videos from Baltimore are in the Lep forum.

The Journey clips are on JSS's site.

by **fred_journeyman** » Sat Dec 23, 2006 6:15 am

jrnyfan74 wrote:We all clearly have our own opinions...but the proof will be in the ticket and media sales when they release an album with JSS and try to tour by themselves promoting their "new sound". I saw Leppard in 2003 touring by themsleves, and they almost sold out Rupp Arena. Do you think Journey could do that now with their current lineup? Of course, the apologist here will say yes, but we all know there is no freakin way. Hell, I saw Journey with REO and STYX 3 times, and not 1 time was it ever sold out! The point is, is that the large majority want Perry back period. Live in your dream worlds if you like...but that is the FACT.

You essentially said that you think JSS is a "...talented singer, but he doesn't have the voice required to sing Journey music in my opinion." You didn't come here and lambaste JSS. You didn't come here and state that the ONLY singer for Journey is Perry. You gave JSS a nice compliment that he's a talented singer (which is an opinion) and followed that up with your thought that he isn't a perfect fit for Journey (another opinion). You don't seem like a troll to me and you also seem like you've given thought to your opinion and have expressed it intelligently.

I also believe that JSS is a great talent. Is he a perfect fit for Journey? Haven't seen him in concert at all (had tickets for SS, but that show was canceled due to Deen's illness), and I have decided not to take in another Journey concert until I hear new music that will be coming out. If they start playing it in concert, I'm there.

As far as the other stuff related to which band drew a better crowd - DEF or Journey - that's all moot and will be drown in opinions. Ultimately, who cares?

You're entitled to your opinion. Welcome to the board and be ready for the all the excrement you'll receive for not posting in line with those who are totally pro-JSS. People have already written you off simply because you didn't come out with the obligatory "JSS is GOD" statement.

by **Ratgirl** » Sat Dec 23, 2006 6:16 am

AR wrote:Love Bites and Bringing on the Heartbreak videos from Baltimore are in the Lep forum.

The Journey clips are on JSS's site.

Hey AR.. the Bringing on the Heartbreak link expired. Could you please repost it.

by **Eric** » Sat Dec 23, 2006 6:38 am

jrnyfan74 wrote:We all clearly have our own opinions...but the proof will be in the ticket and media sales when they release an album with JSS and try to tour by themselves promoting their "new sound". I saw Leppard in 2003 touring by themsleves, and they almost sold out Rupp Arena. Do you think Journey could do that now with their current lineup? Of course, the apologist here will say yes, but we all know there is no freakin way. Hell, I saw Journey with REO and STYX 3 times, and not 1 time was it ever sold out! The point is, is that the large majority want Perry back period. Live in your dream worlds if you like...but that is the FACT.

Journey drew very large crowds for their solo tour in 2005.....In fact they outdrew the Leps WITH Adams in my area....

by **YoungJRNYfan** » Sat Dec 23, 2006 8:01 am

I went to two shows. My first in Cinci Def actualy sounded like the better band and Journey kind of sounded muffled and stale at times. Plus the crowd was definatly pro Lep that night. Not Pittsburgh. Journey completly out did Lep in every way shape and form. There was no comparison. Lep sounded pathetic and the music was way to loud for what the vocalists could handle. Journey sounded crisp and on key all night. You can't really tell on tour because each places has different sound systems that could favor any certain band.

by **jrnyfan74** » Sat Dec 23, 2006 12:59 pm

Thanks for the reply Fred...it is refreshing to know that there are people on here that can look at this situation objectively.

by **Rick** » Sat Dec 23, 2006 1:21 pm

All you gotta do is give this guy some time. He's brand new to Journey. JSS is a very talented man, he just needs some time from 'us', the Journey fans. Let this guy prove hisself. You can't base your opinion of a singer, when he hasn't had a chance. This poor guy came in, in the middle of a tour and has done his absolute best to keep this band going. That in itself is monstrous! JSS is still adjusting to a whole different style than he's used to. Talisman doesn't do Journey music, and God knows Yngwie doesn't. It will take time. His voice is strong. It isn't just like Steve Perry's, and it isn't just like Steve Augeri's. Jeff's voice is his own. But he will, and I guarantee it, do his best to sing the songs of the past in the original Journey style. He will probably in the future with Journey, record music that is more of his own style. Don't rush to judge or bash it, give it a chance. Jeff's still in a learning period with Journey. He's been in the music industry for a long time. New styles to old dogs take time. I think everyone will be pleasantly surprised in the eventual future. All we have to do is give this brave soul a chance.

I know you good folks will be happy when it's all said and done.

Happy Holidays to all of you.

by **fred_journeyman** » Sat Dec 23, 2006 1:49 pm

jrnyfan74 wrote:Thanks for the reply Fred...it is refreshing to know that there are people on here that can look at this situation objectively.

There are a few of us, but usually we get relegated to categories that aren't applicable to us because people need to pigeon-hole people.

I look at it this way...I have never been one to run out and buy the newest thing just because it's new. I usually like to wait and see what happens. There's no harm in that.

by **Granny** » Sat Dec 23, 2006 2:20 pm

shoot_em_up wrote:All you gotta do is give this guy some time. He's brand new to Journey. JSS is a very talented man, he just needs some time from 'us', the Journey fans. Let this guy prove hisself. You can't base your opinion of a singer, when he hasn't had a chance. This poor guy came in, in the middle of a tour and has done his absolute best to keep this band going. That in itself is monstrous! JSS is still adjusting to a whole different style than he's used to. Talisman doesn't do Journey music, and God knows Yngwie doesn't. It will take time. His voice is strong. It isn't just like Steve Perry's, and it isn't just like Steve Augeri's. Jeff's voice is his own. But he will, and I guarantee it, do his best to sing the songs of the past in the original Journey style. He will probably in the future with Journey, record music that is more of his own style. Don't rush to judge or bash it, give it a chance. Jeff's still in a learning period with Journey. He's been in the music industry for a long time. New styles to old dogs take time. I think everyone will be pleasantly surprised in the eventual future. All we have to do is give this brave soul a chance.

I know you good folks will be happy when it's all said and done.

Happy Holidays to all of you.

What a great post, thanks Granny(carol)

by **donnaplease** » Sat Dec 23, 2006 2:35 pm

Well, I was excited about seeing Journey and Def Leppard in Baltimore. Journey knocked me on my ass, they were flippin' awesome! Def Leppard was good, too, but they really struggled on a few of their songs. "Love Bites" was probably as bad as it could be, but "Rocket" was fantastic! Most of the people I went to the concert with left after Journey finished (and the fuckers wound up spending time with Neal! :evil:

J/K) but I'm glad we stayed to see DL.

Def Leppard was not in Journey's league on November 10, IMO.

by **Granny** » Sat Dec 23, 2006 2:44 pm

donnaplease wrote:Well, I was excited about seeing Journey and Def Leppard in Baltimore. Journey knocked me on my ass, they were flippin' awesome! Def Leppard was good, too, but they really struggled on a few of their songs. "Love Bites" was probably as bad as it could be, but "Rocket" was fantastic! Most of the people I went to the concert with left after Journey finished (and the fuckers wound up spending time with Neal! J/K) but I'm glad we stayed to see DL.

Def Leppard was not in Journey's league on November 10, IMO.

Hey 'Shameless" u coulda went with us to see the boys, but u wanted to stay for DEF, we got our shirts autographed too and hugs from Neal, at least Blondie did....Deano was awesome getting Neal to come out of the bus and boy did he and Lula get gigantic hugs and kisses from Neal...I was very jealous...well maybe next time...hope to see u in May...G

MR

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