Journey CBS Early Show performance 2001

[ohsherrie]

Thanks Jeremy!

Been a long time.....I watched the show that morning. I went on line later and expressed my disappointment. As I remember, one was not allowed to say ANYTHING negative about Augeri at that point and I was ripped apart. Yet I think some of those same folks are now coming forward and admitting what is was.

That said, I did come away loving the song Higher Place. Still do. Wonder, since I did not catch a show this summer, was it ever sang??

Hey PF, remember at the time the standard line on BT was that there was something wrong with the sound equipment or mix, or some other lame excuse?

Hey Ohsher.....there may have been some illness, a cold or something mixed in also. Can't quite remember now

Yeah, it seems like I remember something about that too. Lots of excuses.

[tammy]

Yulog, a close fan/friend medical Dr. from BT stated a while back that SA does NOT have asthma.

Sorry Silverblue,i couldnt go by that statement ,let me explain; Why are all the inhalers coming into play ----i never personally saw him use an inhaler but so many people have been bringing this up as well and really it would have to be Steve's personal p.c.p. to tell me he doesnt have Asthma, which he couldn't do because of privacy laws so if someone tells you they have a friend that is a doctor or knows a doctor that said he doesnt have Asthma more than likely this would be a lie or speculation---ive personally caught a couple people over at bt lying about being a doctor, a nurse etc.,(again i dont know that Steve A has asthma or not but i can't rule it out with all the info that has been presented) remember it is the internet and you can be whoever you want here.

I know what you mean, but, the person who said it was Dr. Arrival who has always posted to know Augeri & his wife personally. When I read that I was surprised too & another fan countered that and told her that he was told by SA himself at a meet & greet that he had asthma...I don't know who is exactly telling the truth, but it makes ya wonder.
BTW, I don't have asthma and I was prescribed an inhaler once so you don't have to have asthma...he could have allergies, 'tho.(?)

[JeremyP]

I think the CBS Early Show is cursed.

It makes kick ass classic rock bands sound not their best. (Although I didn't see what was so terribly bad about the "Anyway You Want It" performance")

Have you seen the Foreigner performance from 2002?

[The_Noble_Cause]

Ha ha ha. That's funny. Open Arms is easier to sing than AWYWI. Ok sure.

Singing slow ballads is alot easier than singing fast paced rock songs - the tempo provides the vocalist with a much greater degree of control.
Laugh till your blue in the face, even the king of the tenors, Steve Perry, rarely pulled off AWYWI nearly as faultlessly as he could OA.

Jeremy - get in here and put this self-rightous bitch in her place.

[The_Noble_Cause]

When I read that I was surprised too & another fan countered that and told her that he was told by SA himself at a meet & greet that he had asthma

Let's assume the inhaler is actually a vocal steroid used not for a medical condition like asthma, but to help Steve sing when struggling.
Now, if this were the case, do you really think SA would own up to it?
Doubtful.
Case in point: Many concertgoers complimented Steve on how much better he sounded this tour.
He even explained to fellow poster, Bionic, just how hard it is for him to sing the song, Escape.
He accepted fans compliments and entertained their dellusions, he didn't divulge the fact that they had just been hornswoggled.

I imagine he would've acted similarly when confronted about the use of an inhaler.

[yulog]

Yulog, a close fan/friend medical Dr. from BT stated a while back that SA does NOT have asthma.

Sorry Silverblue,i couldnt go by that statement ,let me explain; Why are all the inhalers coming into play ----i never personally saw him use an inhaler but so many people have been bringing this up as well and really it would have to be Steve's personal p.c.p. to tell me he doesnt have Asthma, which he couldn't do because of privacy laws so if someone tells you they have a friend that is a doctor or knows a doctor that said he doesnt have Asthma more than likely this would be a lie or speculation---ive personally caught a couple people over at bt lying about being a doctor, a nurse etc.,(again i dont know that Steve A has asthma or not but i can't rule it out with all the info that has been presented) remember it is the internet and you can be whoever you want here.

I know what you mean, but, the person who said it was Dr. Arrival who has always posted to know Augeri & his wife personally. When I read that I was surprised too & another fan countered that and told her that he was told by SA himself at a meet & greet that he had asthma...I don't know who is exactly telling the truth, but it makes ya wonder.
BTW, I don't have asthma and I was prescribed an inhaler once so you don't have to have asthma...he could have allergies, 'tho.(?)

I may be wrong but i was under the impression DR arrival was a chiropractor not a M.D. also as far as the inhalers are concerned they are used to reverse constriction of bronchioles whether from asthma,bronchitis, influenza or an allergic reponse which would cause constriction and leave a person having difficulty breathing. He could have other chronic respiratory conditions that can cause similar symptoms.Again i dont know that he does or not just saying if he did i'm amazed he did as well as he did.

[ohsherrie]

Let's assume the inhaler is actually a vocal steroid used not for a medical condition like asthma, but to help Steve sing when struggling.
Now, if this were the case, do you really think SA would own up to it?
Doubtful.
Case in point: Many concertgoers complimented Steve on how much better he sounded this tour.
He even explained to fellow poster, Bionic, just how hard it is for him to sing the song, Escape.
He accepted fans compliments and entertained their dellusions, he didn't divulge the fact that they had just been hornswoggled.

I imagine he would've acted similarly when confronted about the use of an inhaler.

And there ya go. If he's gonna fake about singing he'll fake about anything.

[RossValoryRocks]

You know what everyone...I back JSS coming into Journey because it is and has been clear that Steve Augeri couldn't sing Journey's catalog any longer, ans that tapes were used to cover that fact.

However, I cannot stand that many people seem to think this has become a free pass to run down a good man, who took time away from his wife and young son to come out and give us Journey music for the better part of 8 years ruining his voice in the process. While I am sure Steve was more than adequately compensated, and while I am equally as sure that he shouldn't have done what he did with the tapes, running him down over and over serves no purpose.

You know many people here look at him as some type of criminal, but I remind everyone that for 3 years we have been told prior to each summer that Journey wasn't going to tour. The contracts were then signed and Journey had to go forward. The penalty for breaking performance contracts of such magnitude is huge. So Journey and Steve turned to tapes rather than A) eat those contracts and the penalties involved or B) give their fans a terrible sounding show.

I don't like it but I don't blame them either. I have come to realize that as a fan base WE are some of the most demanding of any bands. We have effected more change in a band's stand and music than any other I can think of.

So lets stop running down Steve Augeri, he is no longer a member of Journey. Let's spend our time thinking about what JSS is going to bring.

[donnaplease]

You know many people here look at him as some type of criminal, but I remind everyone that for 3 years we have been told prior to each summer that Journey wasn't going to tour. The contracts were then signed and Journey had to go forward. The penalty for breaking performance contracts of such magnitude is huge. So Journey and Steve turned to tapes rather than A) eat those contracts and the penalties involved or B) give their fans a terrible sounding show.

A question...

Who was responsible for signing those contracts to tour after telling us that they weren't going to tour. Does the band make that decision, or does the management somehow have control over that??? Probably a stupid question, but I don't know the answer, so...

[RossValoryRocks]

You know many people here look at him as some type of criminal, but I remind everyone that for 3 years we have been told prior to each summer that Journey wasn't going to tour. The contracts were then signed and Journey had to go forward. The penalty for breaking performance contracts of such magnitude is huge. So Journey and Steve turned to tapes rather than A) eat those contracts and the penalties involved or B) give their fans a terrible sounding show.

A question...

Who was responsible for signing those contracts to tour after telling us that they weren't going to tour. Does the band make that decision, or does the management somehow have control over that??? Probably a stupid question, but I don't know the answer, so...

Good question...I don't have the answer...I will see what I can find out though.

[yulog]

Just to clarify about steroidal inhalers such as Advair/azmacort----they are not prescribed to help singers sing they are used to help decrease inflamation and symptoms of asthma they have to be taken daily to work, but they usually are only prescribed once or twice a day(this is not the type of inhaler fans would see Steve A taking)its more likely that he would be taking a bronchodilator(quick acting-non steroidal) which normally you can take as much as every 4 hours. These are your albuterol /alupent type inhalers---also the steroids in these inhalers are not the same as the one Barry bonds took---they are corticosteroids. lastly if he was using the long acting inhalers(steroidal) one of the common side effects are sore throat and horseness, which would be contraindicated for someone who wanted to sing.

[The_Noble_Cause]

You know many people here look at him as some type of criminal, but I remind everyone that for 3 years we have been told prior to each summer that Journey wasn't going to tour. The contracts were then signed and Journey had to go forward.

I could be wrong, but I don't believe the 30th anniversary tour was unanticipated.
They went on tour and Augeri couldn't hack it even after a long respite.
The Def Leppard co-tour, however, wasn't initially in the cards.

So lets stop running down Steve Augeri, he is no longer a member of Journey. Let's spend our time thinking about what JSS is going to bring.

I appreciate the sentiment, but what do you say we do both?

I just feel that, like so many other things, (Perry's hip disease, Ross's firing) maybe its best just to let the fans hash it out. These things tend to take on a life of their own on the web.
It's now a permanent part of Journey lore.

[nolippin]

1. Why were the contracts signed when they knew the singer could not sing the catalogue without the use of tapes?

2. Why didn't Augeri step down when he knew he would have to resort to lip synching to continue?

You know what everyone...I back JSS coming into Journey because it is and has been clear that Steve Augeri
couldn't sing Journey's catalog any longer, ans that tapes were used to cover that fact.

However, I cannot stand that many people seem to think this has become a free pass to run down a good man, who took time away from his wife and young son to come out and give us Journey music for the better part of 8 years ruining his voice in the process. While I am sure Steve was more than adequately compensated, and while I am equally as sure that he shouldn't have done what he did with the tapes, running him down over and over serves no purpose.

You know many people here look at him as some type of criminal, but I remind everyone that for 3 years we have been told prior to each summer that Journey wasn't going to tour. The contracts were then signed and Journey had to go forward. The penalty for breaking performance contracts of such magnitude is huge. So Journey and Steve turned to tapes rather than A) eat those contracts and the penalties involved or B) give their fans a terrible sounding show.

I don't like it but I don't blame them either. I have come to realize that as a fan base WE are some of the most demanding of any bands. We have effected more change in a band's stand and music than any other I can think of.

So lets stop running down Steve Augeri, he is no longer a member of Journey. Let's spend our time thinking about what JSS is going to bring.

[ohsherrie]

Just to clarify about steroidal inhalers such as Advair/azmacort----they are not prescribed to help singers sing they are used to help decrease inflamation and symptoms of asthma they have to be taken daily to work, but they usually are only prescribed once or twice a day(this is not the type of inhaler fans would see Steve A taking)its more likely that he would be taking a bronchodilator(quick acting-non steroidal) which normally you can take as much as every 4 hours. These are your albuterol /alupent type inhalers---also the steroids in these inhalers are not the same as the one Barry bonds took---they are corticosteroids. lastly if he was using the long acting inhalers(steroidal) one of the common side effects are sore throat and horseness, which would be contraindicated for someone who wanted to sing.

Thanks yulog. I'd been wondering about that.

[JeremyP]

You know what everyone...I back JSS coming into Journey because it is and has been clear that Steve Augeri couldn't sing Journey's catalog any longer, ans that tapes were used to cover that fact.

However, I cannot stand that many people seem to think this has become a free pass to run down a good man, who took time away from his wife and young son to come out and give us Journey music for the better part of 8 years ruining his voice in the process. While I am sure Steve was more than adequately compensated, and while I am equally as sure that he shouldn't have done what he did with the tapes, running him down over and over serves no purpose.

You know many people here look at him as some type of criminal, but I remind everyone that for 3 years we have been told prior to each summer that Journey wasn't going to tour. The contracts were then signed and Journey had to go forward. The penalty for breaking performance contracts of such magnitude is huge. So Journey and Steve turned to tapes rather than A) eat those contracts and the penalties involved or B) give their fans a terrible sounding show.

I don't like it but I don't blame them either. I have come to realize that as a fan base WE are some of the most demanding of any bands. We have effected more change in a band's stand and music than any other I can think of.

So lets stop running down Steve Augeri, he is no longer a member of Journey. Let's spend our time thinking about what JSS is going to bring.

Great post. I think it's fine if people don't prefer his voice. (That goes for JSS, Perry, Rolie....whoever) You can't really help what or who you have a preference for. I think it would be nice if everyone had respect for others' preferences no matter what they are.

I'm not singling out anyone in particular with that, I know loads of people here who do, I'm just saying.

Whoever or whatever someone does or doesn't prefer, they have good reasons for it and I think it would be nice to remember that.

Here is the Foreigner performance I was talking about. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmSO4LKj_Jk It's kind of rare because they only did one other television performance in 2002 to support their 25th anniversary tour.

[larryfromnextdoor]

the Foreigner performance I was talking about. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmSO4LKj_Jk It's kind of rare because they only did one other television performance in 2002 to support their 25th anniversary tour.

jeremy,, that was bad and sad,, this was after the brain tumor.. he was never same,, voice gone.. when i saw foriegner open for journey ,, not only was lou singing bad,, most of us didnt know if it was him singing.. the dude was huge,,, i was told it was from some steriod treatment... thanks for the post..

[knox]

He doesn't sound nearly as bad as Augeri on DSB...

[dcvader]

My wife and I saw Shania at the CBS Early show and no problems. Awesome. Not saying it was not enhancned. I don't know. But, how can you go wrong with Shania 2 feet away from you!!!!!

[ArnelRox]

Ha ha ha. That's funny. Open Arms is easier to sing than AWYWI. Ok sure.

Singing slow ballads is alot easier than singing fast paced rock songs - the tempo provides the vocalist with a much greater degree of control.
Laugh till your blue in the face, even the king of the tenors, Steve Perry, rarely pulled off AWYWI nearly as faultlessly as he could OA.

Jeremy - get in here and put this self-rightous bitch in her place.

Damn! Who do u think u are? Ed? Only he can call me names like that. Since when exactly did u become a singer w/a rock band? I must have missed that part of ur life. As someone who sang for a part of my life, I completely disagree w/u. I could do fast paced rock songs much easier than ballads. Also, I work in a bar where we have 80s cover bands all the time. I have heard many bands pull off AWYWI really well nite after nite. But when they get asked for Faithfully or Open Arms, they cringe. I've heard MANY attempt LTS & say it "hurt" but no one yet has pulled it off.

In fairness, none of them have done full Journey sets, which may be different. However, the point in question is a Morning Show where Steve Augeri didn't do a full Journey set either, so that's moot.

BTW, I have NUMEROUS boots of Perry singing AWYWI & he's flawless. Can u please point me to one where u consider he's not?

Calling me "self-righteous" is a bit much considering how u post, don't u think? Also, u might want to use spell check next time. It's "righteous", not "rightous".

[ArnelRox]

I think the CBS Early Show is cursed.

It makes kick ass classic rock bands sound not their best. (Although I didn't see what was so terribly bad about the "Anyway You Want It" performance")

Have you seen the Foreigner performance from 2002?

No but if it was Lou Gramm singing, I'm not surprised. That was AFTER his brain surgery. Have u seen the one w/Kelly singing? He's awesome.

EDIT: watched it, yep it was Lou AFTER brain surgery. Sad. But he wasn't as bad as SA & is singing on pitch, which Augeri wasn't for Higher Place or Don't Stop Believin'. Lou isn't flat, sharp or off pitch in any way, but he is straining for some notes. & he has an excuse. He doesn't even look like himself remotely. Poor guy. I am sure he is/was on a ton of steroids which bloat u up. As far as I know, SA didn't have brain surgery in the last 8 yrs? Yet, I'd still rather listen to Lou sing not as good as he did, than listen to SA butcher those songs. & yes, he butchered them!

[ArnelRox]

You know many people here look at him as some type of criminal, but I remind everyone that for 3 years we have been told prior to each summer that Journey wasn't going to tour. The contracts were then signed and Journey had to go forward. The penalty for breaking performance contracts of such magnitude is huge. So Journey and Steve turned to tapes rather than A) eat those contracts and the penalties involved or B) give their fans a terrible sounding show.

A question...

Who was responsible for signing those contracts to tour after telling us that they weren't going to tour. Does the band make that decision, or does the management somehow have control over that??? Probably a stupid question, but I don't know the answer, so...

Good question...I don't have the answer...I will see what I can find out though.

Sorry RVR, I can't buy this. If SA couldn't perform, he could, at any time, have stepped down. NO contract would hold up in a court of law forcing someone to do a job they were physically unable to do.

Taking time away from his wife & son? Hardly. He WANTED to do this & he did it. NO ONE forced him to do it.

[ArnelRox]

Just to clarify about steroidal inhalers such as Advair/azmacort----they are not prescribed to help singers sing they are used to help decrease inflamation and symptoms of asthma they have to be taken daily to work, but they usually are only prescribed once or twice a day(this is not the type of inhaler fans would see Steve A taking)its more likely that he would be taking a bronchodilator(quick acting-non steroidal) which normally you can take as much as every 4 hours. These are your albuterol /alupent type inhalers---also the steroids in these inhalers are not the same as the one Barry bonds took---they are corticosteroids. lastly if he was using the long acting inhalers(steroidal) one of the common side effects are sore throat and horseness, which would be contraindicated for someone who wanted to sing.

Thanks yulog. I'd been wondering about that.

Yulog, while I totally agree w/u about steroid inhalers, there are a multitude of throat sprays that singers use. A lay person could possibly mistake one of those for an inhaler. I'm not saying that's what happened. But it's possible.

[yulog]

Just to clarify about steroidal inhalers such as Advair/azmacort----they are not prescribed to help singers sing they are used to help decrease inflamation and symptoms of asthma they have to be taken daily to work, but they usually are only prescribed once or twice a day(this is not the type of inhaler fans would see Steve A taking)its more likely that he would be taking a bronchodilator(quick acting-non steroidal) which normally you can take as much as every 4 hours. These are your albuterol /alupent type inhalers---also the steroids in these inhalers are not the same as the one Barry bonds took---they are corticosteroids. lastly if he was using the long acting inhalers(steroidal) one of the common side effects are sore throat and horseness, which would be contraindicated for someone who wanted to sing.

Thanks yulog. I'd been wondering about that.

Yulog, while I totally agree w/u about steroid inhalers, there are a multitude of throat sprays that singers use. A lay person could possibly mistake one of those for an inhaler. I'm not saying that's what happened. But it's possible.

That was going to be my next option to explore which could have been mistaken for an inhaler. This might explain what people saw at the concerts---i would hate to hear that a singer was prescribed an inhaler that eventually had its hand in his demise .

[tammy]

I don't think SA is a criminal...lol! I haven't posted much about this whole thing until AFTER the official statement was released which was only a mere few days ago. I am just still trying to reconcile the idea that this man was portrayed as having such high character with what happened. To me it is better to admit to being flawed yourself than trying to pretend something. I completely felt sorry for SA when he struggled in concert (Irvine '05), using throat spray or inhaler during the show...and I said such on BT at the time - I defended him. As I've said, I don't hold any animosity towards him or the band - I am just trying to understand...WHY and why the SA fans think he is "spotless"??

[JeremyP]

Jeremy - get in here and put this self-rightous bitch in her place.

I know emotions always run high when discussing things like this, but please, let's not demean and insult each other. I can tell you from knowing her that Susie is neither self righteous nor a bitch. Please let's stay friends.

No but if it was Lou Gramm singing, I'm not surprised. That was AFTER his brain surgery. Have u seen the one w/Kelly singing? He's awesome.

I haven't, but I've heard clips from the new live album as well as some youtube boots and I gotta say I'm not a huge fan of that lineup, although I do like Kelly's other work. It's just super hard for me to seperate those songs from Lou's voice, but I understand that they're getting great reviews, so more power to 'em.

Oh I did see Foreigner in 2002 early in the tour, and while he wasn't like he was before the surgery, it was still a good show and he's always been a rock idol of mine, so I was sooo thrilled to have seen him and he actually nodded at me and he hit a really high note in one song (I forget which) and it sounded really good and I was actually kinda stunned so after the song I nodded at him and went, "Yeah!" and he nodded back and went, "Yeah!" back at me. It was sooo cool. {/end fanboy gushing]

there are a multitude of throat sprays that singers use. A lay person could possibly mistake one of those for an inhaler. I'm not saying that's what happened. But it's possible.

Isn't there one called Vocal Ease or something like that?

[JeremyP]

I don't think SA is a criminal...lol! I haven't posted much about this whole thing until AFTER the official statement was released which was only a mere few days ago. I am just still trying to reconcile the idea that this man was portrayed as having such high character with what happened. To me it is better to admit to being flawed yourself than trying to pretend something. I completely felt sorry for SA when he struggled in concert (Irvine '05), using throat spray or inhaler during the show...and I said such on BT at the time - I defended him. As I've said, I don't hold any animosity towards him or the band - I am just trying to understand...WHY and why the SA fans think he is "spotless"??

I don't think he's spotless at all, I think he's a just a human being like everyone else. No more, no less. I do like his voice though. I think he has a really nice tone, and he has a lot of warmth vocally which I like.

His phrasing actually reminds me more of Rod Stewart than Perry.

[yulog]

I don't think SA is a criminal...lol! I haven't posted much about this whole thing until AFTER the official statement was released which was only a mere few days ago. I am just still trying to reconcile the idea that this man was portrayed as having such high character with what happened. To me it is better to admit to being flawed yourself than trying to pretend something. I completely felt sorry for SA when he struggled in concert (Irvine '05), using throat spray or inhaler during the show...and I said such on BT at the time - I defended him. As I've said, I don't hold any animosity towards him or the band - I am just trying to understand...WHY and why the SA fans think he is "spotless"??

I think for some its an emotional bond. They feel he is like family so "dont say nothing bad about my family or Steve" some people are way more emotional than others and their actions show that in day to day life, others kind of go with the flow are not bothered by changes that happen or are minimally bothered, but quickly regain their step and move on with life.

[ArnelRox]

That was going to be my next option to explore which could have been mistaken for an inhaler. This might explain what people saw at the concerts---i would hate to hear that a singer was prescribed an inhaler that eventually had its hand in his demise .

Me too. Especially b/c some of those steroid inhalers can lead to vocal cord paralysis which is what Jon Cain said Steve was suffering from. That would be sad.

[ArnelRox]

I know emotions always run high when discussing things like this, but please, let's not demean and insult each other. I can tell you from knowing her that Susie is neither self righteous nor a bitch. Please let's stay friends.

Aww thank u sweetie!

I haven't, but I've heard clips from the new live album as well as some youtube boots and I gotta say I'm not a huge fan of that lineup, although I do like Kelly's other work. It's just super hard for me to seperate those songs from Lou's voice, but I understand that they're getting great reviews, so more power to 'em.

I didn't want to go see Foreigner w/out Lou. I was really skeptical. I had never heard of Kelly before so I had no foregone conclusions. But I was completely blown away. He was totally amazing.

The links to the Today show are here: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7667583/ (down a few)

Do u by any chance know how I can save them on my PC? The person I went to that concert said "well if u can't drool over Perry live, looks like u have someone new". I was drooling. I admit! Kelly is HOT. Phew. Ok, time for a cold shower.

Isn't there one called Vocal Ease or something like that?

I think so. But there are MANY. Some come in the form of inhalers too where u actually inhale something to help ur throat. Always new stuff u know. Anything to make a buck.

[Rockindeano]

1. Why were the contracts signed when they knew the singer could not sing the catalogue without the use of tapes?

2. Why didn't Augeri step down when he knew he would have to resort to lip synching to continue?

Bingo. There are your two important questions.

Let me answer these for you.

Aw fuck, I can't. I would get in deep shit if I did.

The second one is easy though. Augeri didn't know I existed and was dumb enough to think he could fool a pretty smart MR fanbase. He failed, obviously.

Sorry, can't touch the 1st question.