Journey CBS Early Show performance 2001

[pdsidd]

in all fairness...

It was an early morning show, gotta be hard to sing that early. Does anyone know what time of year this was recorded? Winter, Summer? Cold weather could make it harder to sing.

Yes, DSB was bad vocally, but even on the clips that Andrew posted from San Bernadino JSS hits a few flat notes on DSB and IBAWY. It's live and not supposed to sound exactly like the CD. I do agree with another poster that this made me feel sorry for SA too. I just like the guy and he does have a good voice if he stays in his vocal range.

Neil and Ross look much better with shorter hair.

Also, the host of the show. Mark McEwen (also the host of A&E's "Live by Request"), left CBS and went to Orlando's local CBS affiliate as a morning/afternoon anchor. He recently had a near-fatal stroke - here is the story:

http://www.local6.com/video/10367652/index.html

*Edited to point out that the crowd seemed to be really enjoying the performance.

Yes, DSB was bad vocally, but even on the clips that Andrew posted from San Bernadino JSS hits a few flat notes on DSB and IBAWY.

Are you sure? JSS hitting flat notes? I can't believe that, I thought he was the son of Steve Perry according to most of the posters on here. Am sure this thread will be closed to stop such an unaccurate admission. The fact that he can't do justice to escape is neither here or nor there ....

[knox]

I have heard some flat spots from Soto - DSB seems to be very difficult close to the end.

But it is nothing like Augeri butchering in on this clip.

[pdsidd]

I have heard some flat spots from Soto - DSB seems to be very difficult close to the end.

But it is nothing like Augeri butchering in on this clip.

Yes, Augeri is definitely struggling on this clip - totally agree, still sounds better than JSS singing it though.

But then again I thought SA only started using the big mike when the lip synching started so is this really from 2001?

[ArnelRox]

Speaking in my official capacity as a guy who sings in the shower, you cannot control high notes nearly as well when singing at a fast pace.

That should NOT be the case for a properly trained singer. For an amateur who sings in the shower, ok.

Jeremy will vindicate me. That guy knows his shit.

Um Jeremy who started this thread? He's not a singer. U talking about Jeremey from Frontiers? U really need to spell his name right if u call out to him to answer.

I’d imagine it’s pretty hard to catch flung rolled-up bills with your coot and focus intently to vocals at the same time.
What is the name of this gentlemen’s establishment?
Next time I am in the seedy part of town making a crack run, I just may have to pay u a visit.

Ha ha. Right. Sorry to ruin ur fantasy but I'm a mgr & it's not a strip joint. But there are a few good ones around here & one of them serves a damn fine steak. It's in a nice part of town tho so u might have to look elsewhere for ur crack.

[ArnelRox]

I have heard some flat spots from Soto - DSB seems to be very difficult close to the end.

But it is nothing like Augeri butchering in on this clip.

Yes, Augeri is definitely struggling on this clip - totally agree, still sounds better than JSS singing it though.

But then again I thought SA only started using the big mike when the lip synching started so is this really from 2001?

Sorry JSS sings it 1000 times better.

Augeri wasn't using a big mic there. Have u seen the size of the one he used in 2005?

[pdsidd]

I have heard some flat spots from Soto - DSB seems to be very difficult close to the end.

But it is nothing like Augeri butchering in on this clip.

Yes, Augeri is definitely struggling on this clip - totally agree, still sounds better than JSS singing it though.

But then again I thought SA only started using the big mike when the lip synching started so is this really from 2001?

Sorry JSS sings it 1000 times better.

Augeri wasn't using a big mic there. Have u seen the size of the one he used in 2005?

No only saw them in 2006 but I'd say the windshield on the mike on this clip looks pretty big - anything bigger would look like a table tennis bat???

Think the 1000 x better comment is debatable but that's your opinion and I've got mine, JSS has improved on some clips I've heard (the show ones on here for example) but he's sucked on some of the boots I've got. But then singers do have great nights and off nights too.

[ArnelRox]

No only saw them in 2006 but I'd say the windshield on the mike on this clip looks pretty big - anything bigger would look like a table tennis bat???

Think the 1000 x better comment is debatable but that's your opinion and I've got mine, JSS has improved on some clips I've heard (the show ones on here for example) but he's sucked on some of the boots I've got. But then singers do have great nights and off nights too.

The pics of the really big mic do almost look like a bat!

I don't think Jeff ever sucked. But ur being a bit unfair as Jeff came out mid-tour w/very little rehearsal. He had to get used to singing w/the band & working w/them onstage as well as singing all those songs. Augeri had MONTHS of rehearsal before he ever sang live & these clips are 3 yrs into his tenure! So what's the excuse? I have boots of Augeri where he was way off going back as early as 1999. I will never convince u I guess. So I'll just wish u a Merry Christmas.

[Wally_Hatchet]

Wasn't knocking JSS or comparing him to Augeri - just pointing out that no one is perfect live.

[yulog]

Speaking in my official capacity as a guy who sings in the shower, you cannot control high notes nearly as well when singing at a fast pace.

That should NOT be the case for a properly trained singer. For an amateur who sings in the shower, ok.

Jeremy will vindicate me. That guy knows his shit.

Um Jeremy who started this thread? He's not a singer. U talking about Jeremey from Frontiers? U really need to spell his name right if u call out to him to answer.

I’d imagine it’s pretty hard to catch flung rolled-up bills with your coot and focus intently to vocals at the same time.
What is the name of this gentlemen’s establishment?
Next time I am in the seedy part of town making a crack run, I just may have to pay u a visit.

Ha ha. Right. Sorry to ruin ur fantasy but I'm a mgr & it's not a strip joint. But there are a few good ones around here & one of them serves a damn fine steak. It's in a nice part of town tho so u might have to look elsewhere for ur crack.

what part of town do you live in JR?

[pdsidd]

No only saw them in 2006 but I'd say the windshield on the mike on this clip looks pretty big - anything bigger would look like a table tennis bat???

Think the 1000 x better comment is debatable but that's your opinion and I've got mine, JSS has improved on some clips I've heard (the show ones on here for example) but he's sucked on some of the boots I've got. But then singers do have great nights and off nights too.

The pics of the really big mic do almost look like a bat!

I don't think Jeff ever sucked. But ur being a bit unfair as Jeff came out mid-tour w/very little rehearsal. He had to get used to singing w/the band & working w/them onstage as well as singing all those songs. Augeri had MONTHS of rehearsal before he ever sang live & these clips are 3 yrs into his tenure! So what's the excuse? I have boots of Augeri where he was way off going back as early as 1999. I will never convince u I guess. So I'll just wish u a Merry Christmas.

Take a lot of persuasion, find it hard to believe that no-one in the industry has come out and made a statement on it and all the 'evidence' given (bear in mind all the tapegate stuff doesn't seem to be online anymore and I never saw it when it first came out) doesn't seem to add up to a whole lot.

Look at the so-called big microphone he started using in 2005 when tapegate was supposed to have started - how is it different from the 2001 one?


Above is 2001


above is 2005

Merry Christmas to you as well, one day I'm sure I'll see the light.

[brywool]

I don't think Jeff ever sucked.

Listen to the Charolotte boot. "Only the Young" was especially bad. Worse than any karaoke singer I've ever heard and worse than Augeri ever was.
He's singing and all the sudden his voice sounds like a keebler elf. He also missed a ton of pitches throughout the show and the following ones. He was strainy and forced and I couldn't believe Journey chose him.

THEN he had some weeks off, came out and smoked.

The point is, anybody can have a bad night...even... GASP! Steve Perry.

[ArnelRox]

what part of town do you live in JR?

A good part yulog. BTW, Merry Christmas! Thanks for all the funnies!

[ArnelRox]

Take a lot of persuasion, find it hard to believe that no-one in the industry has come out and made a statement on it and all the 'evidence' given (bear in mind all the tapegate stuff doesn't seem to be online anymore and I never saw it when it first came out) doesn't seem to add up to a whole lot.

Look at the so-called big microphone he started using in 2005 when tapegate was supposed to have started - how is it different from the 2001 one?


Above is 2001


above is 2005

Merry Christmas to you as well, one day I'm sure I'll see the light.

Those aren't the big mic pix. Perhaps that was from early in the tour when he was still live? Where is AR when I need him? I know he has those pix but he's probably busy w/the family.

As I told u in PM a while back, if u want evidence of Tapegate, all u have to do is go download several boots from Journey shows over the yrs. Listen to them. I don't know why u didn't do that so u could hear for urself. But what's the point now? What's done is done. No one in the industry is gonna talk about this publicly. People don't talk about other bands & it does neither Journey nor SA any good to admit it. Obviously, judging from his exit statement, SA doesn't want it public.

[Wheels Of Fyre]

I don't think Jeff ever sucked.

Listen to the Charolotte boot. "Only the Young" was especially bad. Worse than any karaoke singer I've ever heard and worse than Augeri ever was.
He's singing and all the sudden his voice sounds like a keebler elf. He also missed a ton of pitches throughout the show and the following ones. He was strainy and forced and I couldn't believe Journey chose him.

THEN he had some weeks off, came out and smoked.

The point is, anybody can have a bad night...even... GASP! Steve Perry.

Nobody is perfect live. I won't get too much into this only to say that I never had a chance to see SP with JOURNEY. I caught him when he passed through Cleveland for his FTLOSM tour. His opening number was OTY and it was SO BAD. His pitch was just all over the place. I mean IT WAS BAD. I was floored. The band was all out of whack, too. I was literally blown away by how bad it was. Miraculously, in the very next number everything sounded like it was CD quality. I'll never forget that. I recall 3 highlights from that show:
1. How HORRIBLE OTY was.
2. SP's red tails lowering to him on a wire and then having a conversation with them. Weird.
3. SP's reminder to the audience of the rumors regarding him being unable to sing anymore and of the truth to be heard in the performance that night.

I also recall rumors back in 1978 of SP using a "trick" mic. It's all just too much.

[ArnelRox]

Here's some pix that show how that mic never left his mouth even when making faces as if he was hitting a high note.

[AR]

Here's some pix that show how that mic never left his mouth even when making faces as if he was hitting a high note.

That proves it so much. Betcha the wigglers on FT would never want to see that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I got vid that can make it even worse.

[ArnelRox]

I don't think Jeff ever sucked.

Listen to the Charolotte boot. "Only the Young" was especially bad. Worse than any karaoke singer I've ever heard and worse than Augeri ever was.
He's singing and all the sudden his voice sounds like a keebler elf. He also missed a ton of pitches throughout the show and the following ones. He was strainy and forced and I couldn't believe Journey chose him.

THEN he had some weeks off, came out and smoked.

The point is, anybody can have a bad night...even... GASP! Steve Perry.

I heard early boots of some songs where Jeff wasn't perfect & he sang sharp a lot. But I still don't think Jeff sucked for the performances I heard. I don't have the particular one ur talking about tho.

I've honestly never yet heard Perry sing off pitch on any of the boots I've heard. What he seems to do is when he's having an off-nite, instead of going for the note, he makes a little melody thing out of it. Brilliant move. But then, he knew those songs really well & his own voice.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Take a lot of persuasion, find it hard to believe that no-one in the industry has come out and made a statement on it and all the 'evidence' given (bear in mind all the tapegate stuff doesn't seem to be online anymore and I never saw it when it first came out) doesn't seem to add up to a whole lot.

So if you weren't around to hear the evidence first hand, how would you have known if any insiders came out and attested to it's veracity?
For the record, melodic artist, Michael St. Allen was sounding the alarm about this right here, on MR's Noticeboard, long before Deano.
Sound engineer, Svante, also came out and said it was happening.
Countless others said the same - strictly off the record, of course.
Buy Neal a few beers and he just might tell u it, too.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Here's some pix that show how that mic never left his mouth even when making faces as if he was hitting a high note.

And people actually have to ask why the Generations dvd will never see the light of day.
Sad part is, Red 13 has a NY dvd that is exactly like this and he couldn't tell something was up.

[pdsidd]

Here's some pix that show how that mic never left his mouth even when making faces as if he was hitting a high note.

That proves it so much. Betcha the wigglers on FT would never want to see that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I got vid that can make it even worse.

Thought that part of the argument was that he started using a bigger mike. It ain't no different to the one he had in 2001??

Would like to see the video.

[pdsidd]

Take a lot of persuasion, find it hard to believe that no-one in the industry has come out and made a statement on it and all the 'evidence' given (bear in mind all the tapegate stuff doesn't seem to be online anymore and I never saw it when it first came out) doesn't seem to add up to a whole lot.

So if you weren't around to hear the evidence first hand, how would you have known if any insiders came out and attested to it's veracity?
For the record, melodic artist, Michael St. Allen was sounding the alarm about this right here, on MR's Noticeboard, long before Deano.
Sound engineer, Svante, also came out and said it was happening.
Countless others said the same - strictly off the record, of course.
Buy Neal a few beers and he just might tell u it, too.

With all due respect this is a forum, not an official communications channel - my point was : where in the media is there an admission or witness statement to the effect that Augeri was lip synching. If I say Mr Cain has been using sequencers for years to cover up a lack of technique - it's just a post on a forum - it ain't admissable in a court of law.

[The_Noble_Cause]

With all due respect this is a forum, not an official communications channel - my point was : where in the media is there an admission or witness statement to the effect that Augeri was lip synching.

Hate to break it to you, but the world wide web IS a part of the media.
What do you expect? - a lowly sound engineer to hold his own televised press conference?
Ain't happening.

If I say Mr Cain has been using sequencers for years to cover up a lack of technique - it's just a post on a forum - it ain't admissable in a court of law.

The proof is in the pudding.
Steve Augeri has been reduced to selling counterfeit rolexes in Times Square.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Thought that part of the argument was that he started using a bigger mike. It ain't no different to the one he had in 2001??

It's worth noting that that particular windscreen mic head was used both indoors and outdoors throughout 2005.
Normally, it is reserved for outdoor use.
Though he had been lipping prior to 2005 (high notes, sporadic songs), he reverted to that mic permanently when he started lipping every song (except for the LTS encore).

Would like to see the video.

The Vh1 Classics - aired video of "Faith in the Heartland" shows Augeri in all his deciteful glory.
Though the vocal track is different than the album, it is the same vocal track used at every show in 2005.
Go on YouTube.com and find it for yourself.

[roknroseville]

Real nice to see all these ( Journey fans ) just totally crapping on Steve Augeri...
If he was lip syncing all these years then Neal Schon Jonathan Cain Irving A------ DESERVE AS MUCH BLAME AS Steve Augeri!
The Omaha NE 10-22-06 Dvd looks & sounds real nice!
JSS is all over the place....
Very cool
if your interested in a copy email me....

[journeyinto2001]

Real nice to see all these ( Journey fans ) just totally crapping on Steve Augeri...
If he was lip syncing all these years then Neal Schon Jonathan Cain Irving A------ DESERVE AS MUCH BLAME AS Steve Augeri!
The Omaha NE 10-22-06 Dvd looks & sounds real nice!
JSS is all over the place....
Very cool
if your interested in a copy email me....

I have yet to see ANY credible PROOF of Augeri lip-synching. Those that want to bash Augeri have done nothing but bash him with rumors. Pictures of him holding the mic right up to his mouth aren't ANY proof. And by the way, the faces shown in these pics are clearly not someone lip-synching, they are of someone trying really hard to hit the notes! Until I see ANY credible PROOF, these lip-synch rumors are mere hearsay, plain and simple. I've seen Augeri struggle at times, I've seen him hand off some notes to Deen but I have seen and heard JSS struggle bigtime with notes as well. The boot of Edge of the Blade from Reno 2006 shows JSS struggling BIGTIME with some of the notes, especially at the end. The fact is that these songs are DAMN hard for anyone to sing night after night. My belief, until proven otherwise, is that Augeri's departure was a mutual situtation, most likely even initiated by him. I think after 8 years of singing Journey songs 4+ nights/week on tour, his voice was toast and he just had to stop, he and the band knew it was time. I'm sure others have noticed that each time Journey gets a new lead singer, he is younger than the last. That is for a reason.... Journey should probably get a 25 year old singer with a voice of steel that can handle this abuse night after night.

[Saint John]

Real nice to see all these ( Journey fans ) just totally crapping on Steve Augeri...
If he was lip syncing all these years then Neal Schon Jonathan Cain Irving A------ DESERVE AS MUCH BLAME AS Steve Augeri!
The Omaha NE 10-22-06 Dvd looks & sounds real nice!
JSS is all over the place....
Very cool
if your interested in a copy email me....

I have yet to see ANY credible PROOF of Augeri lip-synching. Those that want to bash Augeri have done nothing but bash him with rumors. Pictures of him holding the mic right up to his mouth aren't ANY proof. And by the way, the faces shown in these pics are clearly not someone lip-synching, they are of someone trying really hard to hit the notes! Until I see ANY credible PROOF, these lip-synch rumors are mere hearsay, plain and simple. I've seen Augeri struggle at times, I've seen him hand off some notes to Deen but I have seen and heard JSS struggle bigtime with notes as well. The boot of Edge of the Blade from Reno 2006 shows JSS struggling BIGTIME with some of the notes, especially at the end. The fact is that these songs are DAMN hard for anyone to sing night after night. My belief, until proven otherwise, is that Augeri's departure was a mutual situtation, most likely even initiated by him. I think after 8 years of singing Journey songs 4+ nights/week on tour, his voice was toast and he just had to stop, he and the band knew it was time. I'm sure others have noticed that each time Journey gets a new lead singer, he is younger than the last. That is for a reason.... Journey should probably get a 25 year old singer with a voice of steel that can handle this abuse night after night.

There was a ton of evidence posted months ago. Svante was at a concert in Europe and was IN the sound truck. Augeri's live feed went into the truck and sounded like shit. Yet when he went out to listen to what the crowd was hearing, it was pristine. He said he walked back and forth several times because he couldn't believe what he was hearing. Augeri NEVER lip-synched. Rather, he sang into a mic that was simply not turned on....save select parts where he interacted with the audience and LTS.
Jeremey and others also stripped the vocal tracks off of bootlegs and layered them atop each other. They were an exact match. EVERY show they tested had the exact same vocal track...down to the second. There is NO way that is a coincidence. They analyzed certain notes with sophisticated equipment and they were a perfect match. Night after night the band played live, but the singing was pre-recorded. When they put the tracks atop each other you could hear the variations in Neal's solos, but the vocals were the exact same. They were SO seamless that it sounded like there was only one track being played, when in reality there were two. They were the same so it seemed as though there was only one. The proof was layed out before everyone on this forum. It was pretty indisputable.

[journeyinto2001]

There was a ton of evidence posted months ago. Svante was at a concert in Europe and was IN the sound truck. Augeri's live feed went into the truck and sounded like shit. Yet when he went out to listen to what the crowd was hearing, it was pristine. He said he walked back and forth several times because he couldn't believe what he was hearing. Augeri NEVER lip-synched. Rather, he sang into a mic that was simply not turned on....save select parts where he interacted with the audience and LTS.
Jeremey and others also stripped the vocal tracks off of bootlegs and layered them atop each other. They were an exact match. EVERY show they tested had the exact same vocal track...down to the second. There is NO way that is a coincidence. They analyzed certain notes with sophisticated equipment and they were a perfect match. Night after night the band played live, but the singing was pre-recorded. When they put the tracks atop each other you could hear the variations in Neal's solos, but the vocals were the exact same. They were SO seamless that it sounded like there was only one track being played, when in reality there were two. They were the same so it seemed as though there was only one. The proof was layed out before everyone on this forum. It was pretty indisputable.[/quote]

Well I would surely like to see the proof. Who is Svante and what is their credibility.... Again, I am open to it and have asked for it many a time. I just haven't seen it. All I have seen is talk of it and lots of it.

[Saint John]

There was a ton of evidence posted months ago. Svante was at a concert in Europe and was IN the sound truck. Augeri's live feed went into the truck and sounded like shit. Yet when he went out to listen to what the crowd was hearing, it was pristine. He said he walked back and forth several times because he couldn't believe what he was hearing. Augeri NEVER lip-synched. Rather, he sang into a mic that was simply not turned on....save select parts where he interacted with the audience and LTS.
Jeremey and others also stripped the vocal tracks off of bootlegs and layered them atop each other. They were an exact match. EVERY show they tested had the exact same vocal track...down to the second. There is NO way that is a coincidence. They analyzed certain notes with sophisticated equipment and they were a perfect match. Night after night the band played live, but the singing was pre-recorded. When they put the tracks atop each other you could hear the variations in Neal's solos, but the vocals were the exact same. They were SO seamless that it sounded like there was only one track being played, when in reality there were two. They were the same so it seemed as though there was only one. The proof was layed out before everyone on this forum. It was pretty indisputable.

Well I would surely like to see the proof. Who is Svante and what is their credibility.... Again, I am open to it and have asked for it many a time. I just haven't seen it. All I have seen is talk of it and lots of it.[/quote]


Svante (Peterson, I think) is a big player (producer, I think) in the music industry in Europe, hence his access to the backstage area. I believe if you go back a few months, you'll find all of the "evidence." It was VERY compelling. Journey was forced to change lead singers. The snowball was rolling, the media had just begun to latch on to the story and then they switched singers. I'm sure they planned to ride out the tour with Augeri and the "retire" him when the tour was over. The heat they were receiving simply didn't allow them to do that.

[Saint John]

Here ya go:


http://forums.melodicrock.com/phpBB/vie ... hp?t=17188

[Saint John]

Here ya go:


http://forums.melodicrock.com/phpBB/vie ... hp?t=17188