Journey CBS Early Show performance 2001

[amaron]

Wow... I thought all this tapegate shit was over with.

It is, unless you don't roll with the OFFICIAL UNOFFICIAL version of it. If you form your own different conclusion Then you get what Jeremy got.

Wellll... I formed my own conclusions, but I keep them to myself. It allows me to be part of this forum again.

[junky]

I think the first part of that song is live on the Manchester boot.

It's pretty obvious it isn't from the Vegas DVD as claimed.

[The_Noble_Cause]

It's pretty obvious it isn't from the Vegas DVD as claimed.

Sorry. You're wrong.
Does someone really need to go through the trouble of (yet again) taking the 1:06 opening minutes from Manchester and alligning it with the start of Vegas track. The two vocal tracks will play in musical lockstep.


Like every time this has been undertaken, you will be proven wrong and will quickly have to re-adjust your argument.
I can already hear your pained attempts at Augeri-exoneration.......

"well, even a five year old could have tampered with that recording!"

[junky]

It's pretty obvious it isn't from the Vegas DVD as claimed.

Sorry. You're wrong.
Does someone really need to go through the trouble of (yet again) taking the 1:06 opening minutes from Manchester and alligning it with the start of Vegas track. The two tracks will play in musical lockstep.

Like every time this has been undertaken, you will be proven wrong and will quickly have to re-adjust your argument.
I can already hear your pained attempts at justification, ....

"well, even a five year old could have tampered with that recording!"

I don't recall anyone aligning the beginning of Faithfully from Manchester with the Vegas DVD.

And I've never accused anyone of tampering with any recordings. I believe in tapegate, but those particular vocals are not the same.

[The_Noble_Cause]

And I've never accused anyone of tampering with any recordings. I believe in tapegate, but those particular vocals are not the same.

Whatever.
Someone (presumably with even less of a life than me) will inevitably find the time to splice the two tracks together.
You will then owe me not only a much-deserved apology, but will also let me have my way with your wife.

[junky]

And I've never accused anyone of tampering with any recordings. I believe in tapegate, but those particular vocals are not the same.

Whatever.
Someone (presumably with even less of a life than me) will inevitably find the time to splice the two tracks together and post it.
You will then owe me not only a much-deserved apology, but will also let me have my way with your wife.

It's so obvious, no splicing is necessary. Listen for yourself, particularly to the line "you're on my mind"

http://www.2dorks.com/junk/journey/faithfully.mp3


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9ia4x1o ... ed&search=

Oh, and you already owe me an apology because I'm a female, but I'll let my husband know you're interested.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Oh, and you already owe me an apology because I'm a female,...

You're right. God has dealt you a bad hand. For that, I am truly sorry.
If it makes you feel any better, I've recived many a fine dick suck from a female, so your species isn't completely worthless.

[junky]

Oh, and you already owe me an apology because I'm a female,...

You're right. God has dealt you a bad hand. For that, I am truly sorry.
If it makes you feel any better, I've recived many a fine dick suck from a female, so your species isn't completely worthless.

Thanks, now I feel sooo much better about my unfortunate plight in life

[JeremyP]

I think the first part of that song is live on the Manchester boot.

No wonder Journey got away with this as long as they did.
You are all fucking braindead.
Up until 1:06 on Manchester (when the tape fails) you are listening to a 100% isolated vocal straight off the Vegas dvd.
Don't you hear Augeri's raspy guttural voice that starts from that point onwards?
That was his voice for the duration of the '05 tour (US and UK).

Differentiating the pristine glass-shatering high tenor of the tapes from his blown out voice is easy as can be.

*Sigh*

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=YMML1XRN - small clip comparing the opening lines


If you can't hear the different delivery of the word "highway"....more vibrato on the "run" from the vegas version....also his voice IS more husky on the opening lines than on the rest which I believe is from vegas until the tape malfunctions.

[The_Noble_Cause]

*Sigh*

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=YMML1XRN - small clip comparing the opening lines


If you can't hear the different delivery of the word "highway"....more vibrato on the "run" from the vegas version....also his voice IS more husky on the opening lines than on the rest which I believe is from vegas until the tape malfunctions.

Preoccupied....can't listen at this very moment.
As soon as I do I will report back.
Whatever it is, it most definately is not his natural voice, or "live", as you mistakenly assume.
What is live is the chimerical abomination you hear starting at 1:06.

Keep in mind, the encompassing music (keys, guitar) is live, only the vocal is the same.
This causes it to sound more different from Vegas than it truly is.

[JeremyP]

Preoccupied....can't listen at this very moment.
As soon as I do I will report back.
Whatever it is, it most definately is not his natural voice, or "live", as you mistakenly assume.
What is live is the chimerical abomination you hear starting at 1:06.

Keep in mind, the encompassing music (keys, guitar) is live, only the vocal is the same.
This causes it to sound more different from Vegas than it truly is.

Cool, no rush, listen when you can.

Maybe it is a pre-recorded track on the first few lines of "Faithfully", but it ain't from Vegas.

When it switches to the Vegas vocal, the difference is like night and day.

I don't think they'd go to the trouble of switching pre-recorded vocal tracks in mid-song, but then again, they went to the trouble of using tapes in the first place so....*shrug*

[pdsidd]

Well if you're exhausted why not politely back off and save your energy.

By using the word, "exhausted" I was trying to tell explain that we have run through the entire episode (s) more than once. I am not doing it again. Some others can do it, but I'm done trying to explain this to you.

He wasn't lipping Arrival 2001. he sang that night live. I was there, and IMO, he sounded damned good. However, when that DVD went to stores, his vocals were replaced by studio vocals.

Last time-

1) He started lippin in 2003, most notably on faithfully.
2) He started lipping full time the second week of the 30th anniversary tour.
3) I started catching on about two months later
4) I was convinced of what is now fact, once the 30th tour ended. I told a few here that if they pull this shit again for next years' tour, it is getting ugly...it sure did.
5) Yep, they lipped again. neal however, was worried and knew about the internet. It was only a matter of time,, and Neal knew it.
6) BT vs MR was in full force. Of course MR won and MR was correct the entire time.
7) Jeff Scott Soto rides in and saves their asses.
JSS gets better.
9) JSS gets real good, improving once he learns the catalogue and rythm of the show.
10) Announcement made. Some HogTalkers refuse to believe. they threaten to leave. We cheer loudly. They are a slow bunch, that's for sure.
11) Everything is fucking perfect.

Rock on, and don't look back.

Hi Dean

Thanks for pointing me to the song that he's been lipsyncing on the longest:-

1) He started lippin in 2003, most notably on faithfully.
2) He started lipping full time the second week of the 30th anniversary tour. <<Which'd be mid-Nov 05?>>


Dec 2005 <<Four weeks into 30th Ann. tour>>
At 00:28 fourth line of Faithfully he sings "You're on my mind"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hc4luNaMuKg


Manchester June 2006 at 00:27ish He drops the word "You're" and sings only "On my mind"
http://www.2dorks.com/junk/journey/faithfully.mp3


How's that work then??

Still investigating...

>> Have listened a few times now - am I the only one who thinks they're not the same 'tape'?

[mystichealer]

They are not the same.
I f i recall correctly when all this came out it was stated by Deano (i think, but may be wrong) that they were not only using the Vegas 2001 show but another show also. They were using 2 shows for all the lipping. The 2001 dvd and another show from where part of the lipped vocals came from.
Someone please correct me on this if i'm mistaken but i am pretty sure i read that there were 2 separate shows.

[ohsherrie]

They are not the same.
I f i recall correctly when all this came out it was stated by Deano (i think, but may be wrong) that they were not only using the Vegas 2001 show but another show also. They were using 2 shows for all the lipping. The 2001 dvd and another show from where part of the lipped vocals came from.
Someone please correct me on this if i'm mistaken but i am pretty sure i read that there were 2 separate shows.

I'm not sure about 2 shows, but the recordings they did of the hits for use as radio promos were mentioned as sources for some of the tapes.

[JeremyP]

I'm not sure about 2 shows, but the recordings they did of the hits for use as radio promos were mentioned as sources for some of the tapes.

According to Herbie, the band are not allowed to ever re-record Journey songs which originally featured Steve Perry singing.

[Saint John]

I'm not sure about 2 shows, but the recordings they did of the hits for use as radio promos were mentioned as sources for some of the tapes.

According to Herbie, the band are not allowed to ever re-record Journey songs which originally featured Steve Perry singing.

I'm just speculating, but I'd bet that meant in the sense of an album or an "official" release. Anyone can do promos for the radio...I believe.

[Red13JoePa]

I'm not sure about 2 shows, but the recordings they did of the hits for use as radio promos were mentioned as sources for some of the tapes.

According to Herbie, the band are not allowed to ever re-record Journey songs which originally featured Steve Perry singing.

True, maybe not for release, but there was a guy I think Alien C posted here not long back who said they recorded live in-studio takes of the hits right when Augeri came aboard for, like Sherrie said, use is concert promo commercials b/c they couldn't use Perry live vox for those.

[ohsherrie]

I'm not sure about 2 shows, but the recordings they did of the hits for use as radio promos were mentioned as sources for some of the tapes.

According to Herbie, the band are not allowed to ever re-record Journey songs which originally featured Steve Perry singing.

True, maybe not for release, but there was a guy I think Alien C posted here not long back who said they recorded live in-studio takes of the hits right when Augeri came aboard for, like Sherrie said, use is concert promo commercials b/c they couldn't use Perry live vox for those.

Yeah, Allen did say that recently, but it was Neal who said it first. A few years ago a lot of us Perryheads were complaining because the Perry vocals were being used for promos. Neal said they had recorded promo material and they couldn't help it if the radio stations didn't use it.

[JeremyP]

Ahhh, I see. I wish I could have heard those.

[ohsherrie]

Ahhh, I see. I wish I could have heard those.

If you went to a concert in 2005 or heard the damaging bootlegs you may have.

[JeremyP]

If you went to a concert in 2005 or heard the damaging bootlegs you may have.

*rimshot*

[ohsherrie]

If you went to a concert in 2005 or heard the damaging bootlegs you may have.

*rimshot*

No, Slam Dunk.

[Eric]

DSB was rough - and I thought that at the time too, but the rest weren't as terrible as some are making them out to be (IMO).

And I know I always get killed for using this as an excuse, but they played in Scranton until 11 the night before...

[JeremyP]

No, Slam Dunk.

Hahahahaha

DSB was rough - and I thought that at the time too, but the rest weren't as terrible as some are making them out to be (IMO).

And I know I always get killed for using this as an excuse, but they played in Scranton until 11 the night before...

I'm sure that factored in to the way they sounded. Late night show into an early morning performance. Not the greatest enviornment for musical greatness.

[stevew2]

Well if you're exhausted why not politely back off and save your energy.

By using the word, "exhausted" I was trying to tell explain that we have run through the entire episode (s) more than once. I am not doing it again. Some others can do it, but I'm done trying to explain this to you.

He wasn't lipping Arrival 2001. he sang that night live. I was there, and IMO, he sounded damned good. However, when that DVD went to stores, his vocals were replaced by studio vocals.

Last time-

1) He started lippin in 2003, most notably on faithfully.
2) He started lipping full time the second week of the 30th anniversary tour.
3) I started catching on about two months later
4) I was convinced of what is now fact, once the 30th tour ended. I told a few here that if they pull this shit again for next years' tour, it is getting ugly...it sure did.
5) Yep, they lipped again. neal however, was worried and knew about the internet. It was only a matter of time,, and Neal knew it.
6) BT vs MR was in full force. Of course MR won and MR was correct the entire time.
7) Jeff Scott Soto rides in and saves their asses.
JSS gets better.
9) JSS gets real good, improving once he learns the catalogue and rythm of the show.
10) Announcement made. Some HogTalkers refuse to believe. they threaten to leave. We cheer loudly. They are a slow bunch, that's for sure.
11) Everything is fucking perfect.

Rock on, and don't look back.

Hi Dean

Thanks for pointing me to the song that he's been lipsyncing on the longest:-

1) He started lippin in 2003, most notably on faithfully.
2) He started lipping full time the second week of the 30th anniversary tour. <<Which'd be mid-Nov 05?>>


Dec 2005 <<Four weeks into 30th Ann. tour>>
At 00:28 fourth line of Faithfully he sings "You're on my mind"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hc4luNaMuKg


Manchester June 2006 at 00:27ish He drops the word "You're" and sings only "On my mind"
http://www.2dorks.com/junk/journey/faithfully.mp3


How's that work then??

Still investigating...

>> Have listened a few times now - am I the only one who thinks they're not the same 'tape'?

Hey Bud, I ve been reading this post for a while,and thought I would respond. I stirred up some shit about 3 weeks ago{not intentionally} ,but I could not beleive Steve a was lipping at all ...never.I was cussed up and down, and some nice people here showed me the evidence. I said I would keep an open mind. I ve met Jeremey before,and got the clips ,and heard it for myself also. It hurt, but it is true. The sooner you can accept it, the sooner you can deal with it and move on.. I am still dealing with it in my own way,and I am still trying to move on. Steve A . rocked with Journey. The 4 years worth of concerts that my daughter and I went to,some of them, alot or all this last year was lipped. That really sucks, but that is the truth.I am checkin out boots on my own, just to see how long I was fooled. Yes, I had a good time,but thats not the point.Keep checking it out on your own also,but most of these people here are honest. They have fought about this issue long before I started posting here. I didnt know until now Deano got threatened, and all the other stuff that went on.Anyway, I hope if there are any Backtalkers lurking,like I used to, check out the truth and move on.Dont blame these people here for what happened. They did nothing wrong,other than reacted to the truth. Try to find some peace about it .I ve made some really good freinds,and been to some really cool places, because of Journey. Thats not a bad thing at all. Journey might have some cool things down the road that we can share. Give it some time,I know I will. Peace,and Happy New Year!!

[donnaplease]

Hey Bud, I ve been reading this post for a while,and thought I would respond. I stirred up some shit about 3 weeks ago{not intentionally} ,but I could not beleive Steve a was lipping at all ...never.I was cussed up and down, and some nice people here showed me the evidence. I said I would keep an open mind. I ve met Jeremey before,and got the clips ,and heard it for myself also. It hurt, but it is true. The sooner you can accept it, the sooner you can deal with it and move on.. I am still dealing with it in my own way,and I am still trying to move on. Steve A . rocked with Journey. The 4 years worth of concerts that my daughter and I went to,some of them, alot or all this last year was lipped. That really sucks, but that is the truth.I am checkin out boots on my own, just to see how long I was fooled. Yes, I had a good time,but thats not the point.Keep checking it out on your own also,but most of these people here are honest. They have fought about this issue long before I started posting here. I didnt know until now Deano got threatened, and all the other stuff that went on.Anyway, I hope if there are any Backtalkers lurking,like I used to, check out the truth and move on.Dont blame these people here for what happened. They did nothing wrong,other than reacted to the truth. Try to find some peace about it .I ve made some really good freinds,and been to some really cool places, because of Journey. Thats not a bad thing at all. Journey might have some cool things down the road that we can share. Give it some time,I know I will. Peace,and Happy New Year!!

That is a very nice post, Steve. I'm sure it has been difficult for you. Most of the people here with any knowledge (I am not one of them, BTW) are being straight up about it. Their reaction to some of the non-believers (IMO) is now based on frustration that not only is there taped evidence available for anyone interested in finding it, but also that the actions of the band and the failure of Steve A. to respond to any of this (if he is in fact innocent of what he is accused of) somewhat prove their argument. You were big enough to look past emotions and search for the truth, and accept it when it's presented to you.

Now, having said that, if these allegations were ever made about Steve Perry, I can't guarantee that I wouldn't feel the same way, defending him as Augeri's fans have defended their guy. I just don't know. But what I do know is that this leg of the Journey is over, and we're off on a new adventure. And I'm ready for a WILD RIDE!!!

[Jeremey]

Hi Dean

Thanks for pointing me to the song that he's been lipsyncing on the longest:-

1) He started lippin in 2003, most notably on faithfully.
2) He started lipping full time the second week of the 30th anniversary tour. <<Which'd be mid-Nov 05?>>


Dec 2005 <<Four weeks into 30th Ann. tour>>
At 00:28 fourth line of Faithfully he sings "You're on my mind"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hc4luNaMuKg


Manchester June 2006 at 00:27ish He drops the word "You're" and sings only "On my mind"
http://www.2dorks.com/junk/journey/faithfully.mp3


How's that work then??

Still investigating...

I don't get your time line....November 05 was nearly at the end of the 30th anniversary tour, which began, I think, in June of 2005. By the time the recordings your referencing were recorded, the tour had been in full force for nearly 5 months. Go back and read Neal's interviews with Andrew at the start of the 30th Anniversary tour, where he references the well-documented problems with Augeri's voice at that stage, and his miraculous recovery barely days later on the tour. Steve flew in his voice coach, supposedly. I believe the coach was Mr Adat or something to that effect.

[The_Noble_Cause]

And I know I always get killed for using this as an excuse, but they played in Scranton until 11 the night before...

I'm tired of excuses.
What is the excuse then for his piss-poor performance on the reality show, "Blind Date"?

If you want to be a TRUE supporter of the Augeri-era, you must first come to grips with the fact that the lead singer was a liability. It's just the way it is/was.

[pdsidd]

Hi Dean

Thanks for pointing me to the song that he's been lipsyncing on the longest:-

1) He started lippin in 2003, most notably on faithfully.
2) He started lipping full time the second week of the 30th anniversary tour. <<Which'd be mid-Nov 05?>>


Dec 2005 <<Four weeks into 30th Ann. tour>>
At 00:28 fourth line of Faithfully he sings "You're on my mind"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hc4luNaMuKg


Manchester June 2006 at 00:27ish He drops the word "You're" and sings only "On my mind"
http://www.2dorks.com/junk/journey/faithfully.mp3


How's that work then??

Still investigating...

I don't get your time line....November 05 was nearly at the end of the 30th anniversary tour, which began, I think, in June of 2005. By the time the recordings your referencing were recorded, the tour had been in full force for nearly 5 months. Go back and read Neal's interviews with Andrew at the start of the 30th Anniversary tour, where he references the well-documented problems with Augeri's voice at that stage, and his miraculous recovery barely days later on the tour. Steve flew in his voice coach, supposedly. I believe the coach was Mr Adat or something to that effect.

Sorry, the point I was trying to make was that at this point both vocal performances should be memorex. am puzzled as to why they are different if it was the 2001 DVD being used? Apologies if I'm inaccurate in terms of time-line but Dean mentioned that it starts a couple of weeks into the Anniversary tour and then continues from then on. Both these performance should have had the taped version shouldn't they? Why are they subtly different if this is the casE?

[JeremyP]

I'm tired of excuses.
What is the excuse then for his piss-poor performance on the reality show, "Blind Date"?

Did you see that chick that came backstage and wanted to "get naked!" with the band?

I wouldn't have been able to sing in tune either!

I'll youtube that if I can find it. (I really need to keep better track of all my VHS's.)


Have you listened to the sample yet? What do you think?