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[ohsherrie]

Be that as it may. The way things have developed is that the "Secret Club" at MR played everybody. That may or may not be a fair perception but I can't blame someone for seeing it that way.

I don't understand that Fyre. How was anyone "played"? No one was playing games with these interviews. If we had been playing games we could have been dropping little hints and innuendos for the last month. Instead we treated the situation and Andrew with the respect that they deserve.

[Liz22562]

Ohsherrie - try not to be disheartened.

As I was trying to convey, if you consider what happened several months ago, and with whom it happened, the backlash isn't surprising at all. And again, no offense to you or the others. No matter which way Andrew tries to justify it (and I am not saying that he should) it just does not play well with what went down in past months events.

[ArmaniJeans]

Considering Jeff & Ross did go to that party, could it be that Deano & TNC were chosen because Andrew already knew they were privy to some of the information, and by allowing them to proofread, he knew he wouldn't be releasing information to 1. people he couldn't trust and 2. people who would be surprised by the content.

Also, if the interviews aren't shocking, why do you care who read them a month early anyway?

It's Andrew's interview; choice of proofreaders is purely his disgression. I don't think he'll regret anything. Seems some other people have trouble with the validation given to Andrew and his site by Journey and it's membership, but nevertheless, they agreed to the interview, each individually took time to speak to him, and knew they could trust him to wait for the official announcement.

Good interviews, Andrew. Keep up the good work.

[pdsidd]

Considering Jeff & Ross did go to that party, could it be that Deano & TNC were chosen because Andrew already knew they were privy to some of the information, and by allowing them to proofread, he knew he wouldn't be releasing information to 1. people he couldn't trust and 2. people who would be surprised by the content.

Also, if the interviews aren't shocking, why do you care who read them a month early anyway?

It's Andrew's interview; choice of proofreaders is purely his disgression. I don't think he'll regret anything. Seems some other people have trouble with the validation given to Andrew and his site by Journey and it's membership, but nevertheless, they agreed to the interview, each individually took time to speak to him, and knew they could trust him to wait for the official announcement.

Good interviews, Andrew. Keep up the good work.

Here, here. They kept discreet until the official announcement I'd say it was a damned good choice by Andrew.

[Red13JoePa]

I think I'm pretty much considered a BTer (despite the fact that I don't consider myself in either camp) and had suggested to Andrew to please seek some proofreading help as I find his past interviews difficult and less than professional as they contain lots of typos, etc. Of course he was pissed at me for saying that and others slapped at me, too. I would've been more than happy to help. I'm sure other BTers would've, too.

Er...you've gotta be kidding. I've seen a few typos in his interviews before, but knowing that up until now he did all trascribing on his own I thought they were impressively few and far between.
Never once did a typo ever make an interview he conducted and trascribed "difficult" to comprehend.
I might hypothesize the reason he got pissed at you would be because he knows all his interviews are comprehendable and thought you were just tit for tatting him.

Having said all that, given the cuddly relationship our respective forums have maintained this year I'm not the least bit surprised at the reaction there when involvement of our esteemed colleagues became a matter of public record.

[Lula]

Considering Jeff & Ross did go to that party, could it be that Deano & TNC were chosen because Andrew already knew they were privy to some of the information, and by allowing them to proofread, he knew he wouldn't be releasing information to 1. people he couldn't trust and 2. people who would be surprised by the content.

Also, if the interviews aren't shocking, why do you care who read them a month early anyway?

It's Andrew's interview; choice of proofreaders is purely his disgression. I don't think he'll regret anything. Seems some other people have trouble with the validation given to Andrew and his site by Journey and it's membership, but nevertheless, they agreed to the interview, each individually took time to speak to him, and knew they could trust him to wait for the official announcement.

Good interviews, Andrew. Keep up the good work.

Good points!

[yulog]

Its Andrew's interview ,it should be his choice on who he gets to do whatever to it. As far as the backlash from some of the members at Bt
-------it was going to happen anyway they would have found something else to bitch about so whats the difference?

[ohsherrie]

Considering Jeff & Ross did go to that party, could it be that Deano & TNC were chosen because Andrew already knew they were privy to some of the information, and by allowing them to proofread, he knew he wouldn't be releasing information to 1. people he couldn't trust and 2. people who would be surprised by the content.

Also, if the interviews aren't shocking, why do you care who read them a month early anyway?

It's Andrew's interview; choice of proofreaders is purely his disgression. I don't think he'll regret anything. Seems some other people have trouble with the validation given to Andrew and his site by Journey and it's membership, but nevertheless, they agreed to the interview, each individually took time to speak to him, and knew they could trust him to wait for the official announcement.

Good interviews, Andrew. Keep up the good work.

Here, here. They kept discreet until the official announcement I'd say it was a damned good choice by Andrew.

There ya go.

[Enigma869]

That thread, among many others I've seen on Jackass Talk over the years makes me wonder why Andrew would ever want to keep the peace with that site! I understand Drew is a good guy and is just not trying to step on toes, but some of those people are brutal. At the end of the day, I think people are making WAY too much out of all of this. The reality is that when you look at the big picture here, we are talking about a rock band that is WAY past their prime, and couldn't be less relevant on the music scene, in 2006! That isn't a slam against Journey...It's simply the truth.

Sure, we're all VERY passionate Journey fans, but, when you leave these boards, the only thing most people know about Journey were they were an "80's band". Most of them have zero idea who Neal Schon is and who Steve Augeri is and really don't give a rat's ass! I love Journey and their music, but people are taking this shit WAY too seriously! It's just music, people! The fact that this has even turned into something more than an interview illustrates what I've always believed...people LOVE drama!

These Augeri psycho wack jobs need to get over themselves. This is a business folks. People lose their jobs every day. The reality is that Augeri did nothing more than allow Journey to tour another 8 years. Beyond that, his contribution to Journey and their legacy is completely non-existent! I never thought Augeri was a horrible singer. I just get VERY annoyed when people try to re-write the history of Journey and try to package it as though Augeri had any impact on the legacy of Journey. For the record, I loved "Arrival", but the CD was still VERY musically irrelevant in the world of music, and to the legacy of Journey! The reality is that 99% of every song that Augeri sang in concert was made famous by Steve Perry, period, end of story! As Jon Bon Jovi said on "Larry King Live" the other night..."Until you write and perform your own material, you're nothing more than a lounge singer"!

As far as the whole Deano thing is concerned, if people have an issue that he offered his eyeballs to the written word because he somehow brought down Augeri, fine! That said, it doesn't change the fact that what happened, happened! I see all this venom directed toward Dean and the reason given is always that Dean somehow tried to "destroy" Augeri! Isn't Steve Augeri responsible for his own actions? Dean didn't make up anything that didn't happen, and the fact that Augeri is no longer the lead singer of Journey should tell you that this wasn't all some dreamt up story! For the record, I think EVERY member of Journey is equally culpable for the whole lip-syncing debacle, because that should just NEVER happen! I just choose not to let Augeri off the hook, like so many of his "wiggle wack job" fans choose to! I realize to all of his fans, the guy is infallible, but these people REALLY need to open their eyes to the reality of what happened and why Augeri is no longer a member of Journey. If these people still believe Augeri has a "chronic throat infection" but is on his way into a studio to record a solo cd, I have a bridge to sell them in Boston!

John from Boston

[tammy]

Yes, John from Boston...it is drama and that can be fun (Journey soap opera). I'm sure there are some fans who really take everything seriously & get bent out of shape, and others who just like to provoke thought & different opinions...the subject isn't as important as the stretching of the brain muscle. I think here most of us can tell when someone may be playing the devil's advocate.
Hey, wasn't that Bon Jovi line what I heard in "Rock Star" the other day?

[ohsherrie]

Yes, John from Boston...it is drama and that can be fun (Journey soap opera). I'm sure there are some fans who really take everything seriously & get bent out of shape, and others who just like to provoke thought & different opinions...the subject isn't as important as the stretching of the brain muscle. I think here most of us can tell when someone may be playing the devil's advocate.
Hey, wasn't that Bon Jovi line what I heard in "Rock Star" the other day?

I thought that line sounded familiar and I didn't see BJ on Larry King.

[amaron]

This is what bothers me:

Member 1: I think there is a chance that SA will come back.

Proofreader: If you think SA is coming back, you're a fucking idiot. Trust me.

You had people who are 'in the know' talking shit to people that weren't and DIDN'T know what was going on.

[Natalie]

Yes, John from Boston...it is drama and that can be fun (Journey soap opera). I'm sure there are some fans who really take everything seriously & get bent out of shape, and others who just like to provoke thought & different opinions...the subject isn't as important as the stretching of the brain muscle. I think here most of us can tell when someone may be playing the devil's advocate.
Hey, wasn't that Bon Jovi line what I heard in "Rock Star" the other day?

I thought that line sounded familiar and I didn't see BJ on Larry King.

I saw it and he said it.

[Eric]

Some of the clamheads that were putting down Deen in that thread should be ashamed of themselves....

[Eric]

This is what bothers me:

Member 1: I think there is a chance that SA will come back.

Proofreader: If you think SA is coming back, you're a fucking idiot. Trust me.

You had people who are 'in the know' talking shit to people that weren't and DIDN'T know what was going on.

Or...those who weren't in the know could have trusted and respected those IN the know better....

[amaron]

This is what bothers me:

Member 1: I think there is a chance that SA will come back.

Proofreader: If you think SA is coming back, you're a fucking idiot. Trust me.

You had people who are 'in the know' talking shit to people that weren't and DIDN'T know what was going on.

Or...those who weren't in the know could have trusted and respected those IN the know better....

I don't respect or trust anyone who tells me to "go fuck myself" when I disagree with them about something.

[ohsherrie]

This is what bothers me:

Member 1: I think there is a chance that SA will come back.

Proofreader: If you think SA is coming back, you're a fucking idiot. Trust me.

You had people who are 'in the know' talking shit to people that weren't and DIDN'T know what was going on.

Or...those who weren't in the know could have trusted and respected those IN the know better....

But Amaron, Dean was saying things like that before Andrew even did the interviews. That's why I said anyone who hinted at any inside information got it elsewhere. I honestly never saw a post by Dean that I thought had come from the interviews. Remember, I didn't know Dean had read them and I took the things he was saying to be coming from the same sources he has alluded to all along.

[larryfromnextdoor]

That thread, among many others I've seen on Jackass Talk over the years makes me wonder why Andrew would ever want to keep the peace with that site! I understand Drew is a good guy and is just not trying to step on toes, but some of those people are brutal. At the end of the day, I think people are making WAY too much out of all of this. The reality is that when you look at the big picture here, we are talking about a rock band that is WAY past their prime, and couldn't be less relevant on the music scene, in 2006! That isn't a slam against Journey...It's simply the truth.

Sure, we're all VERY passionate Journey fans, but, when you leave these boards, the only thing most people know about Journey were they were an "80's band". Most of them have zero idea who Neal Schon is and who Steve Augeri is and really don't give a rat's ass! I love Journey and their music, but people are taking this shit WAY too seriously! It's just music, people! The fact that this has even turned into something more than an interview illustrates what I've always believed...people LOVE drama!

These Augeri psycho wack jobs need to get over themselves. This is a business folks. People lose their jobs every day. The reality is that Augeri did nothing more than allow Journey to tour another 8 years. Beyond that, his contribution to Journey and their legacy is completely non-existent! I never thought Augeri was a horrible singer. I just get VERY annoyed when people try to re-write the history of Journey and try to package it as though Augeri had any impact on the legacy of Journey. For the record, I loved "Arrival", but the CD was still VERY musically irrelevant in the world of music, and to the legacy of Journey! The reality is that 99% of every song that Augeri sang in concert was made famous by Steve Perry, period, end of story! As Jon Bon Jovi said on "Larry King Live" the other night..."Until you write and perform your own material, you're nothing more than a lounge singer"!

As far as the whole Deano thing is concerned, if people have an issue that he offered his eyeballs to the written word because he somehow brought down Augeri, fine! That said, it doesn't change the fact that what happened, happened! I see all this venom directed toward Dean and the reason given is always that Dean somehow tried to "destroy" Augeri! Isn't Steve Augeri responsible for his own actions? Dean didn't make up anything that didn't happen, and the fact that Augeri is no longer the lead singer of Journey should tell you that this wasn't all some dreamt up story! For the record, I think EVERY member of Journey is equally culpable for the whole lip-syncing debacle, because that should just NEVER happen! I just choose not to let Augeri off the hook, like so many of his "wiggle wack job" fans choose to! I realize to all of his fans, the guy is infallible, but these people REALLY need to open their eyes to the reality of what happened and why Augeri is no longer a member of Journey. If these people still believe Augeri has a "chronic throat infection" but is on his way into a studio to record a solo cd, I have a bridge to sell them in Boston!

John from Boston

dang john,, that was pretty brilliant writing and thoughts,, i think you nailed it , but good! right on man...

[Wheels Of Fyre]

This is what bothers me:

Member 1: I think there is a chance that SA will come back.

Proofreader: If you think SA is coming back, you're a fucking idiot. Trust me.

You had people who are 'in the know' talking shit to people that weren't and DIDN'T know what was going on.

Or...those who weren't in the know could have trusted and respected those IN the know better....

I don't respect or trust anyone who tells me to "go fuck myself" when I disagree with them about something.

There you go! That's EXACTLY how people were played ohsherrie.

[Playitloudforme]

Bottom line, it is a done deal. Andrew can't go back and change his mind. Those upset with how it went down can either get over being upset, or not. The longer they stay stuck tho... the more of the good stuff they miss. Life's too short, ya know?

[Wheels Of Fyre]

That thread, among many others I've seen on Jackass Talk over the years makes me wonder why Andrew would ever want to keep the peace with that site! I understand Drew is a good guy and is just not trying to step on toes, but some of those people are brutal. At the end of the day, I think people are making WAY too much out of all of this. The reality is that when you look at the big picture here, we are talking about a rock band that is WAY past their prime, and couldn't be less relevant on the music scene, in 2006! That isn't a slam against Journey...It's simply the truth.

Maybe the reality and truth is that people are NOT making way too much out of anything and that JOURNEY is much more relevant than you give them credit for.

[Rockindeano]

Thanks, I think you're a pretty upstanding, honest guy for a Republican.

There is No such creature alive.

[Red13JoePa]

Thanks, I think you're a pretty upstanding, honest guy for a Republican.

There is No such creature alive.

This from a KNOWN scofflaw.
Hypocrite.

Here's an idea, Daddio: Hand signals.

[conversationpc]

Thanks, I think you're a pretty upstanding, honest guy for a Republican.

There is No such creature alive.

Hmmm...Better look in the mirror there Mr. Democrat.

[ohsherrie]

I don't respect or trust anyone who tells me to "go fuck myself" when I disagree with them about something.

There you go! That's EXACTLY how people were played ohsherrie.

So, are you saying that you think Andrew got Dean to proof the interviews just to Play with the feelings of people who don't like Dean? I really don't understand your use of the word played.

But you see Fyre, here's what I'm not understanding. The people on BT are picking Deen apart for things they think he meant by what he said in the interview. At the same time they're trying to discredit the interview because it was read first by people that they don't like. They're also questioning Andrew's integrity because they don't like what they read in the interviews and he had the audacity to trust some of us in the same manner management over there trusts some of them.

Nothing that DEAN read in the interviews had anything to do with what DEEN said in the interview.

I guess they're mad as hell because Augeri is out and they're lashing out at anyone convenient. It's Andrew and Dean who are the boogie men to them right now and Deen is catching hell because he didn't exonerate Augeri. I guess they would rather Deen had lied.

That's pathetic, but it doesn't mean anyone was played.

[larryfromnextdoor]

scofflaw.

another possible seinfeld reference!!! i love it red...

[Enigma869]

Maybe the reality and truth is that people are NOT making way too much out of anything and that JOURNEY is much more relevant than you give them credit for.

Well, I think I made myself QUITE clear in my initial posting that by relevant, I mean musically relevant. For the record, musically relevant, in my world, means more than just playing greatest hits tours and actually recording CD's that people purchase. The reality is that Journey hasn't had a single release of theirs chart in the top 50, since Steve Perry left the band. That is a FACT that cannot be disputed, by anyone! As far as I'm concerned, that makes them quite irrelevant in today's music world.

Journey is a band that does ZERO promotion and has horrendous management, who either doesn't know how to or simply has no interest in marketing them, as a band of today. Perhaps, part of that was the Augeri debacle, so time will tell if Jeff's addition to the band will change this. All I know is that as of today, most people outside of the world of Journey forums, on the internet, have no idea that Journey even still exists! Hell, I've seen people posting on this very board, who said they didn't know until 2004 that Journey was still together, and this was 6 years after they supposedly "got back together"! I think you're beyond naive if you believe Journey is relevant (again, musically speaking), beyond the world of these forums, and the old fogies like us, who attend concerts and try to re-live 1983! I don't listen to Beyonce Knowles, but, I know who she is, and that's because she falls into the category of being musically relevant, in 2006!

John from Boston

[Red13JoePa]

scofflaw.

another possible seinfeld reference!!! i love it red...

"You think it's funny to return books with things like 'Pee pee' and 'wee wee' written in them, doncha Seinfeld?"

[Rockindeano]

This is getting downright hilarious.

They over there, are soooo pissed and I am laughing my ass off. They feel like "Andrew and the MR camp is rubbing it in." Really? Fuck yes. At least I am. All these months have gone by, and I was called every name in the book via PM, email and Postal letters. Shall I post some of the vile shit Fat Penny, Craig Pitman and others sent me? You think I am bad, you ought to see these fuckin wack jobs. Oh yeah, I'm responsible for Craig mowing lard, mashed Potatoes and gravy nightly and having a fucking heart attack. Gimme a fucking break. Yes, I have been called a murderer and a person who throws around lies and slander. hahaha. Please. I was right the ENTIRE time and I got what I wanted. I got my band back to being live and being great again. They were a run of the mill, going through the motion money act, and it stunk to high heaven. Neal knew it. Ross knew it, and Deen knew it. I am willing to bet Friga knew it too, but that fucker won't talk to me anylonger so I can't say he knew it too. I don't give a rats cock what those idiots over think about me, about Lula, and about Andrew. We know the truth, always have. We get the information, always will and always have. We discuss the truth here; always have and always will. They play the "Official Statement Card" the entire time, scoffing at us like we are retards and when the "Official statement finally arrives, and it's not favoured towards them, they result to blaming me, Deen Castronovo, Andrew McNeice and Neal Schon. Pathetic. Absolutely pathetic.

I am so happy to have a band back that has balls again. Augeri was a slimy fuck who did the slimy deed. These HT ers like to say how we are classless, and we have no morality and we have no etiquette, YET, they defend a guy who possesses NONE of those qualities. Steve Augeri is a sonofabitch. I defended him daily against the Loons for three Goddamned years, and he pulled this shit for at least 2 years off and on. Hell, he was content on continuing the Lipping!

I really truly believe there is a lot more dirt on this guy than what I or we know of. I think there is shit under the surface that hasn't come out yet. Call Neal Schon a bigmouth. So what? The guy speaks his mind and I find THAT very compelling. I believe he talks what he is thinking at the moment. THAT is refreshing. Augeri lied to us fans for some time now. When the accusations came out, that fucker didn't say one word in his defense. If I really had an agenda against him, he would never sing again. Trust me on this.

So HT ers, hate me all you want. I notice you can bash me and Lula over there, and yet we aren't allowed to defend ourselves over there. Just know that I will always get the info you desire, and I will always have the truth too. TNC and I will always be in your crosshairs and we both love it. Means we are doing our jobs.

[larryfromnextdoor]

This is getting downright hilarious.

They over there, are soooo pissed and I am laughing my ass off. They feel like "Andrew and the MR camp is rubbing it in." Really? Fuck yes. At least I am. All these months have gone by, and I was called every name in the book via PM, email and Postal letters. Shall I post some of the vile shit Fat Penny, Craig Pitman and others sent me? You think I am bad, you ought to see these fuckin wack jobs. Oh yeah, I'm responsible for Craig mowing lard, mashed Potatoes and gravy nightly and having a fuckling heart attack. Gimme a fucking break. Yes, I have been called a murderer and a person who throws around lies and slander. hahaha. Please. I was right the ENTIRE time and I got what I wanted. I got my band back to being live and being great again. They were a run of the mill, go through the motion money act, and it stunk to high heaven. neal knew it. Ross knew it, and Deen knew it. I am willing to bet Friga knew it too, but that fucker won't talk to me anylonger so I can't say he knew it too. I don't give a rats cock what those idiots over think about me, about Lula, and about Andrew. We know the truth, always have. We get the information, always will and always have. We discuss the truth here; always have and always will. They play the "Official Statement Card" and when the "Official statement finally arrives, and it's not favoured towards them, they result to blaming me, Deen Castronovo, Andrew McNeice and neal Schon. Pathetic. Absolutely pathetic.

I am so happy to have a band back that has balls again. Augeri was a slimy fuck who did the slimy deed. These HT ers like to say how we are classless, and we have no morality and we have no etiquette, YET, they defend a guy who possesses NONE of those qualities. Steve Augeri is a sonofabitch. I defended him daily against the Loons for three Goddamned years, and he pulled this shit for at least 2 years off and on. I really truly believe there is a lot more dirt on this guy than what I or we know of. I think there is shit under the surface that hasn't come out yet. Call Neal Schon a bigmouth. So what? The guy speaks his mind and I find THAT very compelling. I believe he talks what he is thinking at the moment. THAT is refreshing. Augeri lied to us fans for some time now. When the accusations came out, that fucker didn't say one word in his defense. If I really had an agenda against him, he would never sing again.

So HT ers, hate me all you want. I notice you can bash me and Lula over there, and yet we aren't allowed to defend ourselves over there. Just know that I will always get the info you desire, and I will always have the truth too. TNC and I will always be in your crosshairs and we both love it. Means we are doing our jobs.

heck yea!! we remember how some just said the craziest meanest stuff to you. it was ok in thier minds to cuss you and go back and post on a love thread.. CP said some horrible stuff , its deleted now.. but i remember it , then some of the comments on escapetotape were psyco!! some of "those" folks are scary! what is being said is with angry , mean , thought!! mad at the world,, ............its stupid,, RIGHT ON deano..