President Ford....RIP

[Ms_M]

Saddam is supposed to climb the gallows between 9:30-10:00pm ET tonight.

thats what i we hear,, i hope the sunnis dont somehow cause major destruction after ward..

No kidding. I am worried (more than normal) about our troops. I hope it is not too bad for them. (Yes, I know they signed up for it, but I still worry!!)

[Rockindeano]

No kidding. I am worried (more than normal) about our troops. I hope it is not too bad for them. (Yes, I know they signed up for it, but I still worry!!)

No, they didn't sign up for this. Who the Fuck signs up in America to protect Iraq? You have got to be kidding me? I WAS a US soldier and and am proud of my service, but there is NO way.....NO FUCKING way my son goes to fight for this fucking administration. No way. Call me a fucker, but let me ask you all with kids an honest question.


Would you send your loved ones into batle for this administration?

[donnaplease]

Would you send your loved ones into batle for this administration?

Dean,

I don't think anyone "sends" their loved ones to battle. These men & women joined the military knowing that they could be called up at any time. Travis left for boot camp 10 days after Desert Shield started, and I was terrified (I was young and ignorant about lots of things then...some could say I still am!).

If my son chose to enlist, I would support him, but I know I would be scared to death!

I do support President Bush, because I think he did what he did for an honorable reason. I know there are lots of people that disagree with that, but I guess I'm a Virginia Republican through and through (for the record, though, I don't vote Republican just because it's Republican. I vote for whoever I feel most confidence in. Hell, I voted for Ross Perot twice!!! )

I still love ya, Deano, even if I don't agree with you!

[SteveForever]

That argument confuses the administration with the will of this nation. The Admins. doesn't declare war by itself, Congress and the Senate are part of our representative governments. Some people think we are just poking a sleeping tiger over there, but we were the ones provoked and now we have to keep fueling the fight OVER there (we took the fight to them) to keep them over there.
Our argument is sound, keep them off of our soil. People want peace in America. We are forcing Al Qaeda and all kinds of terrorist types of organizations from Iran, Egypt, Afghanistan, Iraq, and other extremists groups...we are forcing them to expend their resources in Iraq. By doing that we are keeping their money tied up, their brain child, their planners..... and keeping them from executing attacks in America.

[sadie65]

• Cut inflation by more than half
• Cut unemployment
• Key economic indicators were all on the way up at the end of his presidency.
• Crime was going way up when he took office and was going way down by the end of his presidency.
• Bettered relations with Japan and other Atlantic rim countries.
• Helped bring some stability to the Middle East after the Yom Kippur war.

Dude, I NEED to get my facts straight? RIP Gerry, but if this guy was so fucking great, why did he get trounced by none other than Jimmy Carter?

Yeah, you make great points. Face it, your party sucks.

He got trounced because at the time the nation was angry over Nixon. Regardless of party, a former president died. That deserves some respect.

Peace to all.

[conversationpc]

• Cut inflation by more than half
• Cut unemployment
• Key economic indicators were all on the way up at the end of his presidency.
• Crime was going way up when he took office and was going way down by the end of his presidency.
• Bettered relations with Japan and other Atlantic rim countries.
• Helped bring some stability to the Middle East after the Yom Kippur war.

Dude, I NEED to get my facts straight? RIP Gerry, but if this guy was so fucking great, why did he get trounced by none other than Jimmy Carter?

Yeah, you make great points. Face it, your party sucks.

He got beat because he pardoned Nixon and that's the only reason. Besides that, I never said he was the greatest President to ever walk the earth. I was simply refuting your point, which was done rather easily, I might add.

As usual, you're all huff and puff. When you can't win the argument, simply obfuscate and name call in an attempt to run from the facts.

[stevew2]

No kidding. I am worried (more than normal) about our troops. I hope it is not too bad for them. (Yes, I know they signed up for it, but I still worry!!)

No, they didn't sign up for this. Who the Fuck signs up in America to protect Iraq? You have got to be kidding me? I WAS a US soldier and and am proud of my service, but there is NO way.....NO FUCKING way my son goes to fight for this fucking administration. No way. Call me a fucker, but let me ask you all with kids an honest question.


Would you send your loved ones into batle for this administration?

If my son or daughter ever got sent to Irag, I would pack me and both there asses in my RV and head up to Canada. until this shit is over. God bless the troups that are there, lets get them home.Ill be damned if I will let my kids go over there and lose a leg or arm from a fucking car bomb. Thats bullshit. I agree with you Deano on this one

[conversationpc]

If my son or daughter ever got sent to Irag, I would pack me and both there asses in my RV and head up to Canada. until this shit is over. God bless the troups that are there, lets get them home.Ill be damned if I will let my kids go over there and lose a leg or arm from a fucking car bomb. Thats bullshit. I agree with you Deano on this one

You're an anti-American traitor if you would really do that to your country.

[Rockindeano]

You're an anti-American traitor if you would really do that to your country.

Are you speaking of a level headed citizen, or the Commander in Chief that lied to the World on the UN floor (Res 1441)????

Bush is the Traitor of which you speak of. Just think. 2,000 + soldiers died....because of a lie. But it's all good when you wrap yourself up in Stars and stripes and tie a yellow ribbon around your tree, and slap a "Support the troops sticker on the back of your SUV. Yeah, it's all good until it's YOUR turn to go. Then it becomes quite different. Bush, Cheney, Wolfowitz, Hannity, all these Pro War assholes....not ONE of these guys had the balls to go fight for what they believe in.

[Manarocks]

You're an anti-American traitor if you would really do that to your country.

Are you speaking of a level headed citizen, or the Commander in Chief that lied to the World on the UN floor (Res 1441)????

Bush is the Traitor of which you speak of. Just think. 2,000 + soldiers died....because of a lie. But it's all good when you wrap yourself up in Stars and stripes and tie a yellow ribbon around your tree, and slap a "Support the troops sticker on the back of your SUV. Yeah, it's all good until it's YOUR turn to go. Then it becomes quite different. Bush, Cheney, Wolfowitz, Hannity, all these Pro War assholes....not ONE of these guys had the balls to go fight for what they believe in.

Liberal response.

[Blueskies]

You're an anti-American traitor if you would really do that to your country.

Are you speaking of a level headed citizen, or the Commander in Chief that lied to the World on the UN floor (Res 1441)????

Bush is the Traitor of which you speak of. Just think. 2,000 + soldiers died....because of a lie. But it's all good when you wrap yourself up in Stars and stripes and tie a yellow ribbon around your tree, and slap a "Support the troops sticker on the back of your SUV. Yeah, it's all good until it's YOUR turn to go. Then it becomes quite different. Bush, Cheney, Wolfowitz, Hannity, all these Pro War assholes....not ONE of these guys had the balls to go fight for what they believe in.

Good post, Deano

[Rockindeano]

I know it was a good post, however, I was only off on my soldier death count by 998. 2,998 soldiers.....dead. On a lie.

[Rockindeano]

You're an anti-American traitor if you would really do that to your country.

Are you speaking of a level headed citizen, or the Commander in Chief that lied to the World on the UN floor (Res 1441)????

Bush is the Traitor of which you speak of. Just think. 2,000 + soldiers died....because of a lie. But it's all good when you wrap yourself up in Stars and stripes and tie a yellow ribbon around your tree, and slap a "Support the troops sticker on the back of your SUV. Yeah, it's all good until it's YOUR turn to go. Then it becomes quite different. Bush, Cheney, Wolfowitz, Hannity, all these Pro War assholes....not ONE of these guys had the balls to go fight for what they believe in.

Liberal response.

No, well thought out, truthful response. Your turn.

[Manarocks]

You're an anti-American traitor if you would really do that to your country.

Are you speaking of a level headed citizen, or the Commander in Chief that lied to the World on the UN floor (Res 1441)????

Bush is the Traitor of which you speak of. Just think. 2,000 + soldiers died....because of a lie. But it's all good when you wrap yourself up in Stars and stripes and tie a yellow ribbon around your tree, and slap a "Support the troops sticker on the back of your SUV. Yeah, it's all good until it's YOUR turn to go. Then it becomes quite different. Bush, Cheney, Wolfowitz, Hannity, all these Pro War assholes....not ONE of these guys had the balls to go fight for what they believe in.

Liberal response.

No, well thought out, truthful response. Your turn.

For the record I am independent.

[Blueskies]

good debates and good points being made by both sides of the issues on this and the saddam thread.....problem is those who believe their point is the only correct one and close off to others....keeping an open mind and an open ear to opposing viewpoints is the only way any real resolution will ever come about.

[Aaron]

Brother, Noble and Jester
Gerald Rudolph Ford, 33o
The 38th President of the United States ,
Born 1913
Called Home by the Grand Architect December 2006.



GERALD RUDOLPH FORD(1913-2006 )
Thirty-eighth President (1974-1977)

MASONIC RECORD

Initiated: September 30, 1949, Malta Lodge No. 465, Grand Rapids, Michigan, along with his half-brothers Thomas Gardner Ford (1918-1995), Richard Addison Ford (1924-) and James Francis Ford (1927- ).

The Fellowcraft and Master Mason Degrees were Conferred by Columbia Lodge No. 3, Washington , D.C. , on April 20 and May 18, 1951, as a courtesy to Malta Lodge.

Brother Ford's father, Gerald R. Sr., a 33rd degree Mason, presented the lambskin apron.

He received the Scottish Rite degrees in the Valley of Grand Rapids in 1957 and created a Sovereign Grand Inspector General Honorary 33rd degree at the Academy of Music in Philadelphia , on September 26, 1962, for which he served as Exemplar (Representative) for his Class., Northern Masonic Jurisdiction, in 1962. This is the highest honor that can come to an honorary member of the Northern Jurisdiction, Supreme Council of the A.A.S.R.

Brother and President Ford was unanimously elected an Active Member of the International Supreme Council, Order of DeMolay and its Honorary Grand Master, at its Annual Session held at Orlando, Florida, April 6-9, 1975; Brother Ford held this post until January 1977, at which time he became a Past Honorary Grand Master, receiving his Collar and Jewel on October 24, 1978 in Topeka, Kansas, from the Hon. Thomas C. Raum, Jr., Grand Master, Order of DeMolay as well as being an Honorary Member, DeMolay Legion of Honor.

Noble Ford joined Saladin Shrine Temple , A.A.O.N.M.A.S. in 1959.

Jester Ford became a member of Court No. 11, Royal Order of Jesters.

But his first services to Freemasonry came well before this when he was selected for the Eastern Team on the Shriners East West Crippled Children game at San Francisco . This was on January 1, 1935. He was a member of the University of Michigan 's undefeated national championship football teams and in 1934, played in the Shriners East-West Crippled Children's benefit classic in San Francisco .

[fredinator]

Do you think we could do a "two-fer" on Bush and Cheney? Like impeach one (Bush) and the other one (Cheney) gets impeached at the same time? (Is it "two-fer" or something else?) I guess there's hope: Agnew resigned shortly before he (Nixon) was tossed out... I can barely stand to think of another year+ of this, these, *******s in power...

[Blueskies]

Paying my respects to President Ford today. Whatever your politics...he was a good man who loved his country.