OT: SADDAM IS DEAD

[Moon Beam]

Doughnut? (learn to spell Sir)
Booze and fine cooking made this body beautiful bitch.
Please don't confuse me with some other hag
that will let you toss her name around.
Though I may not be ever so smart in your
Politics, I know enough to see wisdom from
dung heap.
You Sir and the others have been slinging much
tonight and my thoughts have been stated.
Fruitless efforts.
If your gonna sling words, sling em to the soldiers.
I doubt you would dog them, being as your one of em right?

Come on Dean'a feed me more, you know I love
gaining on your words.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Well, let's see...Bush must've forced our intelligence to say that Iraq had WMDs,

Close. Try Dick Cheney who (as the Washington Post reported) made multiple personal visits to CIA headquarters in the lead up to war. As one CIA insider reported, "previously Vice-presidents only visited the CIA to cut a ribbon..".
And as another CIA analyst said "During my 27-year career at the Central Intelligence Agency, no vice president ever came to us for a working visit."

Bush either knew about 9/11 ahead of time

That's not even in dispute anymore.
The most infamous case being the memo presented to President Bush on Aug. 6 carrying the headline, "Bin Laden Determined to Strike in U.S."
Also, five days after George Dubya was sworn into office, a memo from Clinton admin. counter-terrorism tzar Richard Clarke to Condi Rice included the document, "Strategy for Eliminating the Threat from the Jihadist Networks of al-Qida: Status and Prospects."

There's plenty more, as well.

[Rockindeano]

Doughnut? (learn to spell Sir)
Booze and fine cooking made this body beautiful bitch.
Please don't confuse me with some other hag
that will let you toss her name around.
Though I may not be ever so smart in your
Politics, I know enough to see wisdom from
dung heap.
You Sir and the others have been slinging much
tonight and my thoughts have been stated.
Fruitless efforts.
If your gonna sling words, sling em to the soldiers.
I doubt you would dog them, being as your one of em right?

Come on Dean'a feed me more, you know I love
gaining on your words.

Nice work, Moondog. I am proud of you for that effort. I am too lazy to spell doughnut.

[Moon Beam]

Damn Fucknut!
To lazy to spell and TNC ignores me yet again.
You both are bitches in my eye's, sleep on that!

[Rockindeano]

Well, let's see...Bush must've forced our intelligence to say that Iraq had WMDs,

Close. Try Dick Cheney who (as the Washington Post reported) made multiple personal visits to CIA headquarters. As one CIA insider reported, "previously Vice-presidents only visited the CIA to cut a ribbon..".
And as another CIA analyst said "During my 27-year career at the Central Intelligence Agency, no vice president ever came to us for a working visit."

Bush either knew about 9/11 ahead of time

That's not even in dispute anymore.
The most infamous case being the memo presented to President Bush on Aug. 6 carrying the headline, "Bin Laden Determined to Strike in U.S."
Also, five days after George Dubya was sworn into office, a memo from Clinton admin. counter-terrorism tzar Richard Clarke to Condi Rice included the document, "Strategy for Eliminating the Threat from the Jihadist Networks of al-Qida: Status and Prospects."

There's plenty more, as well.

You forgot Bush's great remark regarding bin Laden:

"I don't have time to swat flies."


Fuck me.

[ohsherrie]

Close. Try Dick Cheney who (as the Washington Post reported) made multiple personal visits to CIA headquarters. As one CIA insider reported, "previously Vice-presidents only visited the CIA to cut a ribbon..".
And as another CIA analyst said "During my 27-year career at the Central Intelligence Agency, no vice president ever came to us for a working visit."


That's not even in dispute anymore.
The most infamous case being the memo presented to President Bush on Aug. 6 carrying the headline, "Bin Laden Determined to Strike in U.S."
Also, five days after George Dubya was sworn into office, a memo from Clinton admin. counter-terrorism tzar Richard Clarke to Condi Rice included the document, "Strategy for Eliminating the Threat from the Jihadist Networks of al-Qida: Status and Prospects."

There's plenty more, as well.

Add to those what O'Neil(Treasury) said about Bush coming into office and immediately telling people to find him a justification for going into Iraq. O'Neil wasn't the only one who said that, his is just the only one whose name I can think of at the moment.

They spent 8 yrs and billions of dollars trying to find something, anything they could discredit Clinton with(White Water ) and finally managed to prove he got a blow job. The media was all over anything they could get and reporting every scrap on every news cast about the White Water allegations when they(nor the blow job for that matter) had anything to do with the running of this country. Then when credible sources give them credible information on Bush's misuse of the power and responsibility of the Presidency in a manner that's threatening to the very lives of the people of this country, it's all but ignored by the mainstream media in comparison. Sort of makes you wonder if the war didn't help protect Bush from heavy press scrutiny in that it's not usually good policy to shake the nation's faith in the Presidency during time of war.

[conversationpc]

Close. Try Dick Cheney who (as the Washington Post reported) made multiple personal visits to CIA headquarters in the lead up to war. As one CIA insider reported, "previously Vice-presidents only visited the CIA to cut a ribbon..".
And as another CIA analyst said "During my 27-year career at the Central Intelligence Agency, no vice president ever came to us for a working visit."

Previous to Dick Cheney, you had Vice Presidents that sat on their backside doing nothing most of the time.

That's not even in dispute anymore.
The most infamous case being the memo presented to President Bush on Aug. 6 carrying the headline, "Bin Laden Determined to Strike in U.S."
Also, five days after George Dubya was sworn into office, a memo from Clinton admin. counter-terrorism tzar Richard Clarke to Condi Rice included the document, "Strategy for Eliminating the Threat from the Jihadist Networks of al-Qida: Status and Prospects."

Yeah, that headline is real specific isn't it? That's akin to putting a headline in the sports section in the beginning of January saying "NFL Playoff Teams Planning on Winning the Super Bowl".

Add to those what O'Neil(Treasury) said about Bush coming into office and immediately telling people to find him a justification for going into Iraq. O'Neil wasn't the only one who said that, his is just the only one whose name I can think of at the moment.

So the testimony of those who've said that there was no predetermined plan to go into Iraq is worthless and not to be believed but those who just happen to fit your agenda are more believable? The fact of the matter is, we don't know if Bush planned on invading Iraq prior to the period of time leading up to the Iraq war.

[ohsherrie]

Add to those what O'Neil(Treasury) said about Bush coming into office and immediately telling people to find him a justification for going into Iraq. O'Neil wasn't the only one who said that, his is just the only one whose name I can think of at the moment.

So the testimony of those who've said that there was no predetermined plan to go into Iraq is worthless and not to be believed but those who just happen to fit your agenda are more believable? The fact of the matter is, we don't know if Bush planned on invading Iraq prior to the period of time leading up to the Iraq war.

The testimony of anyone within the Bush political circle or under his(or Cheney's, or Rove's) immediate direction is worthless IMO.

If these kind of allegations had been made against Clinton the Repulicans would have been seeding the press and it wouldn't have let up until there was a full investigation and disclosure. That was my real point. Our Democracy hasn't been working since the rigged 2000 elections. This regime has been run like a mafia, keeping just under the line of abusing it's absolute power to the point where it couldn't have been kept secret.

[conversationpc]

The testimony of anyone within the Bush political circle or under his(or Cheney's, or Rove's) immediate direction is worthless IMO.

Hmmm...So their testimony is worthless but the testimony of those who may or may not have a political axe to grind is immediately believable. Interesting.

If these kind of allegations had been made against Clinton the Repulicans would have been seeding the press and it wouldn't have let up until there was a full investigation and disclosure. That was my real point. Our Democracy hasn't been working since the rigged 2000 elections. This regime has been run like a mafia, keeping just under the line of abusing it's absolute power to the point where it couldn't have been kept secret.

Give me a break with this conspiracy crap about elections being rigged and all that kind of stuff. All it does is make you libs sound like bitter losers. You're right about allegations against Clinton but you're also blind to the fact that his administration had lots of ethical failures as well, just as many as what has happened under Bush. The power in Congress may have changed hands but it's only going to be business as usual with the Dems, just like the Repubs did while they had control of congress.

By the way, what size pants does Sandy Berger wear? I'd like to buy some so that I have plenty of room in them for the times when I feel like doing some document smuggling. Then, after I smuggle them out, I can use William Jefferson's freezer to hide the evidence.

Hmmm...Maybe those guys are just closet Republicans.

[ohsherrie]

Hmmm...So their testimony is worthless but the testimony of those who may or may not have a political axe to grind is immediately believable. Interesting.

Pretty much, when you're talking about the Bush administration.

Give me a break with this conspiracy crap about elections being rigged and all that kind of stuff. All it does is make you libs sound like bitter losers. You're right about allegations against Clinton but you're also blind to the fact that his administration had lots of ethical failures as well, just as many as what has happened under Bush. The power in Congress may have changed hands but it's only going to be business as usual with the Dems, just like the Repubs did while they had control of congress.

By the way, what size pants does Sandy Berger wear? I'd like to buy some so that I have plenty of room in them for the times when I feel like doing some document smuggling. Then, after I smuggle them out, I can use William Jefferson's freezer to hide the evidence.

Hmmm...Maybe those guys are just closet Republicans.

First of all, I'm not a lib. I'm a moderate who is thoroughly disgusted with the current Republican Party line and the current administration. The elections, both of them were rigged. If you choose not to believe that so you can continue to support this administration, so be it.

In comparing ethics you could possibly talk Clinton vs Reagan pretty equally. The best you can hope for in politics is to compare the degrees of corruption.

Clinton didn't cost us American lives for a personal agenda that was sold to this country based on lies and he didn't tarnish the dignity of this country in the eyes of the world. He also didn't sink this country into trememdous debt, in fact we had a surplus when he left office. But of course that inept mismanagement of taxpayer's money is all hidden under the guise of the cost of war. There hasn't been an administration in my lifetime as corrupt and devious as the current one, not even Nixon's.

[MJM1959]

Another thing, what worries me most is how Bush handles other things, such as, Katrina... I had been willing to cut him some slack on Iraq up until he flew to New Orleans, what was it, 4 or 5 days after and was marching around on the outskirts of New Orleans and then declared that infamous remark about you're doing such a fine job, Brownie! I just about fell over... I knew right then this man was either insane or a complete dodo bird... His administration has mishandled some other things, too, but Katrina capped it for me... That one man cried on Meet The Press about how badly they needed help and this Bush has the nerve to go down there and say to the people what a fine job they were doing. Does the man have ANY sense? This is why I am VERY concerned about his handling of Iraq... Go ahead, ConversationPC, and Fyre, and whoever, paste some chart or quote you googled and call me names and then blame it on Clinton...

http://thinkprogress.org/katrina-timeline

Just thought I would throw this out. The timeline that the link provides shows that there was plenty of blame to go around. No one is spared, not even the Decider.

[conversationpc]

The elections, both of them were rigged. If you choose not to believe that so you can continue to support this administration, so be it.

That's a load of crap. A case could be made, possibly, that the 2000 election might have been rigged, but even that is a stretch. The 2004 election was simply the case of a weak candidate in Kerry losing it. In my opinion, Bush didn't win as much as Kerry just blew it.

Clinton didn't cost us American lives for a personal agenda that was sold to this country based on lies and he didn't tarnish the dignity of this country in the eyes of the world.

Does bombing an aspiring factory count? I'm just sayin'...

He also didn't sink this country into trememdous debt, in fact we had a surplus when he left office. But of course that inept mismanagement of taxpayer's money is all hidden under the guise of the cost of war.

This country has been in debt for decades and that didn't change under Clinton. We are trillions of dollars in debt and it didn't just suddenly go away while Clinton was in office. What you're talking about is the budget deficit. That's a whole different hill of beans from the national debt.

I can't believe on one hand you can say you're disgusted with the "current Republican Party line" but then fall right in line with the Democratic one, a party that is just as bad as the one you're railing against.

[conversationpc]

Another thing, what worries me most is how Bush handles other things, such as, Katrina... I had been willing to cut him some slack on Iraq up until he flew to New Orleans, what was it, 4 or 5 days after and was marching around on the outskirts of New Orleans and then declared that infamous remark about you're doing such a fine job, Brownie! I just about fell over... I knew right then this man was either insane or a complete dodo bird... His administration has mishandled some other things, too, but Katrina capped it for me... That one man cried on Meet The Press about how badly they needed help and this Bush has the nerve to go down there and say to the people what a fine job they were doing. Does the man have ANY sense? This is why I am VERY concerned about his handling of Iraq... Go ahead, ConversationPC, and Fyre, and whoever, paste some chart or quote you googled and call me names and then blame it on Clinton...

http://thinkprogress.org/katrina-timeline

Just thought I would throw this out. The timeline that the link provides shows that there was plenty of blame to go around. No one is spared, not even the Decider.

But don't you know that it's all George "Conspiracy Man" Bush's fault? Everything is.

[MJM1959]

Another thing, what worries me most is how Bush handles other things, such as, Katrina... I had been willing to cut him some slack on Iraq up until he flew to New Orleans, what was it, 4 or 5 days after and was marching around on the outskirts of New Orleans and then declared that infamous remark about you're doing such a fine job, Brownie! I just about fell over... I knew right then this man was either insane or a complete dodo bird... His administration has mishandled some other things, too, but Katrina capped it for me... That one man cried on Meet The Press about how badly they needed help and this Bush has the nerve to go down there and say to the people what a fine job they were doing. Does the man have ANY sense? This is why I am VERY concerned about his handling of Iraq... Go ahead, ConversationPC, and Fyre, and whoever, paste some chart or quote you googled and call me names and then blame it on Clinton...

http://thinkprogress.org/katrina-timeline

Just thought I would throw this out. The timeline that the link provides shows that there was plenty of blame to go around. No one is spared, not even the Decider.

But don't you know that it's all George "Conspiracy Man" Bush's fault? Everything is.

It was not Bush's fault totally. But, his efforts were far from successful. Sort of like everything else he touches. I am sorry, but George W. Bush is the William Hung of presidents.

[fredinator]

MJM1959, it looks like this timeline proves my point about Bush and his fumbling. IMO, I think he fumbled 9/11, too. As I recall, right after he was elected (and I agree with OhSherrie the Florida and Ohio elections were rigged), he went on a month's vacation; 9/11 happened during his watch; his behaviour at the elementary school when he was told was just plain weird; his flying around in that plane was weird, too... Now that is really going to get CPC in a dander, isn't it? (Here comes all the Clinton-blaming and bashing, charts and so forth...)

He is the President of the United States, why didn't he act like one? And no, I don't mean tromping around ground zero with a bullhorn and his "bring 'em on" crap... Why didn't he know ANYTHING that was going on? I think one can get the idea based just on that timeline link that you put up.

[conversationpc]

(and I agree with OhSherrie the Florida and Ohio elections were rigged)

Like I said earlier, you might be able to make a case that the Florida election was rigged (and I don't subscribe to that theory) but there is no way the Ohio election was rigged. Sorry, the evidence just isn't there.

9/11 happened during his watch; his behaviour at the elementary school when he was told was just plain weird; his flying around in that plane was weird, too

Lots of bad things have happened under the watch of certain presidents. The Civil War happened during Abraham Lincoln's watch. Was that his fault, too. The "happened under his watch" argument doesn't mean anything as far as who was President. If you can prove that Bush knew about it beforehand and allowed it to happen, you might have a point, but the evidence just isn't there.

As far as his behavior at the elementary school, I've never understood that argument from liberals. The guy finished reading a story to the kids, which took maybe a couple of extra minutes and remained calm in front of the children, which is what he should have done, in my opinion. It could be argued that it would have been better to excuse himself but I don't think he can win either way on this matter.

As for flying around in an airplane, I don't see a problem with it. That's probably the safest place for a president to be unless there's a full scale air invasion of the country going on. I'm not an aviation or military expert so I'll defer on that one.

(Here comes all the Clinton-blaming and bashing, charts and so forth...)

What's there to blame on Clinton on this? As far as charts go, I assume you mean the one that showed oil prices adjusted for inflation in the thread from a few months ago? Yeah, that bit of evidence was completely ignored, wasn't it? Funny how charts and evidence is okay as long as it doesn't refute your logic, or lack thereof.

He is the President of the United States, why didn't he act like one? And no, I don't mean tromping around ground zero with a bullhorn and his "bring 'em on" crap... Why didn't he know ANYTHING that was going on? I think one can get the idea based just on that timeline link that you put up.

Since no other president has ever presided over an emergency quite like this one, I find it hard to believe you can find fault with his reaction but I won't belie you the opinion on that. Considering that most Americans agreed with his handling of the time surrounding 9/11, you're in the minority on that but you're welcome to be there.

[MJM1959]

I think that the Cuban Missle Crisis of the early 60's tops anything that this group of unorganized cave dwellars can come up with. My father worked in an underground military facility back then, a place that was called the Underground Pentagon. He told me that a lot of high ranking people were very scared at the time.

[conversationpc]

I think that the Cuban Missle Crisis of the early 60's tops anything that this group of unorganized cave dwellars can come up with. My father worked in an underground military facility back then, a place that was called the Underground Pentagon. He told me that a lot of high ranking people were very scared at the time.

You're right. That had to be a scary time, especially if you were a high-ranking official who knew everything that was going on. From what I've heard, we were eerily close to launching nukes.

[ohsherrie]

That's a load of crap. A case could be made, possibly, that the 2000 election might have been rigged, but even that is a stretch. The 2004 election was simply the case of a weak candidate in Kerry losing it. In my opinion, Bush didn't win as much as Kerry just blew it.

I disagree, and so do many others. I can't prove it was and you can't prove it wasn't, so there ya go.

Does bombing an aspiring factory count? I'm just sayin'...

Sorry, but that's not saying much. He didn't send our troops to war over a lie.

This country has been in debt for decades and that didn't change under Clinton. We are trillions of dollars in debt and it didn't just suddenly go away while Clinton was in office. What you're talking about is the budget deficit. That's a whole different hill of beans from the national debt.

Of course I'm talking about the budget deficit, I didn't say National Debt, but I guess I'll have to be more specific in my wording. Semantics

I can't believe on one hand you can say you're disgusted with the "current Republican Party line" but then fall right in line with the Democratic one, a party that is just as bad as the one you're railing against.

If my opinions happen to fall in with the Democratic party line, well, I guess that's why I've voted primarily Democratic for the last 18 years. Like I told you before, I would vote for the candidate that I thought would do the best job regardless of party affiliation. It just so happens that the Republican party hasn't had a candidate that I thought would since McCain and then he turned out to be a disappointment too once Bush got in office. I don't completely agree with the Dems on everything, and I don't completely disagree with everything the Reps say, but I completely disagree with everything Bush has said and done since he stole the 2000 election from the rightful winner. He's dirty, he's a liar, and he's an opportunist with a personal agenda that has nothing to do with what's best for the majority of the people in this country.

This argument is getting a little stale. I think we've both started saying the same things over and over.

Good argument though, I enjoyed it.

[conversationpc]

Sorry, but that's not saying much. He didn't send our troops to war over a lie.

Innocent people died when Clinton bombed the aspirin factory. To say that it isn't saying much is akin to Joan Rivers complaining that Michael Jackson has had too much plastic surgery. If you're going to say Bush is wrong, you'd have a hard time explaining why it wasn't wrong to bomb an aspirin factory when hundreds of innocents died. That being said, the factory bombing was a mistake. Clinton thought he was going to nail a terrorist but he didn't. I can forgive that since his intentions weren't to simply maim and kill innocent bystanders.

Of course I'm talking about the budget deficit, I didn't say National Debt, but I guess I'll have to be more specific in my wording. Semantics

No, it's not just semantics. The national debt is totally different than the budget deficit.

It just so happens that the Republican party hasn't had a candidate that I thought would since McCain and then he turned out to be a disappointment too once Bush got in office.

I agree. McCain is all about making himself palatable to both Republicans and Democrats and it ends up biting him in the ass, in my opinion. He is as much a politician as anyone else out there in either party.

Good argument though, I enjoyed it.

Me, too. In fact, my wife often tells me that I enjoy arguing too much.

[RedWingFan]

That's a load of crap. A case could be made, possibly, that the 2000 election might have been rigged, but even that is a stretch. The 2004 election was simply the case of a weak candidate in Kerry losing it. In my opinion, Bush didn't win as much as Kerry just blew it.

I disagree, and so do many others. I can't prove it was and you can't prove it wasn't, so there ya go.

Right sherrie, It's not the nature of the evidence (or lack thereof) it's the seriousness of the charge!!!!

Sorry, but that's not saying much. He didn't send our troops to war over a lie.

If the weatherman forcasts rain for tomorrow by the data that he has and it doesn't rain, does that make him a liar? Better yet if you have a half dozen "weatherman" use the same data, does that make them ALL LIARS?

This country has been in debt for decades and that didn't change under Clinton. We are trillions of dollars in debt and it didn't just suddenly go away while Clinton was in office. What you're talking about is the budget deficit. That's a whole different hill of beans from the national debt.

Don't forget a huge portion of those cuts came from the Defense dept/ intelligence spending. Meh, we didn't need that anyway

[conversationpc]

If the weatherman forcasts rain for tomorrow by the data that he has and it doesn't rain, does that make him a liar? Better yet if you have a half dozen "weatherman" use the same data, does that make them ALL LIARS?

Remember, though, that Bush has the psychic ability to force everyone around him to lie.

The conspiracy theories revolving around the Bush administration are getting as ridiculous as the fake moon landing conspiracies. Bush is supposed to be a dummy yet he's apparently so smart as to be able to coordinate all this bullcrap that's being ascribed to him. Which is it, people?

Here...I think this may be useful to a few people on the board...

THE BUSH CONSPIRACY THEORY GENERATOR

[ohsosoto]

DAMN, all i said is that i didn't want his job. pretty obvious as to why from all of the above slingin.

[larryfromnextdoor]

this sorta sums things up with all , and everyones, differences....

http://users.gazinter.net/melan/Warn/Warnenu.htm

[donnaplease]

Where the hell's CJ or Marty Moffatt when ya need 'em???? Close this sucker down already!! J/K



Wouldn't ya'll rather hear about Granny's party...

[Blueskies]

this sorta sums things up with all , and everyones, differences....

http://users.gazinter.net/melan/Warn/Warnenu.htm

That is great, Larry! Thanks for linking it!!..Going to pass this one along!.....It speaks volumes!...condensed...but alot being said......we all need to do something and make sure that one guy is fed and doesn't starve to death!

[Rockindeano]

Where the hell's CJ or Marty Moffatt when ya need 'em???? Close this sucker down already!! J/K

This is a Great thread. Lots of insight. I am listening to ConversationPC and while I disagree with his stance, I respect his intelligence.

CJ and Marty Moffet get all excited closing threads. Those two ass clowns are worthless.

[stevew2]

I am glad they killed that asshole. I ll be glad when can get rid of the other one.{not the same way} of course.

Nice.

I remember you dude...you were the bggest pussy alive. Nice comeback.

Where is that fag, "Romantic Guy?" That dude has serious issues.

I just saw your reply, I drank to much on New Years and then some kind of stomuch flue for two days. I just read the whole topic. Very interesting. many points of view. Mine is still the same.I even voted for the Bush.{first time} .I havent been on BT for awile,so I am not sure about #2 fruit. If I run into him{not literally} I ll pass along your concern, lol

[Rockindeano]

Romantic Guy...LOL That dude has serious issues.


Here is a joke as we say goodbye to the day....


Why do fags use ribbed condoms?





















Answer: better traction in the mud

[stevew2]

Romantic Guy...LOL That dude has serious issues.


Here is a joke as we say goodbye to the day....


Why do fags use ribbed condoms?





















Answer: better traction in the mud

Thats fuckin awesome....