MelRock people are the COOLEST

[Classic Rock]

People should go buy this. It's been out on CD for at least 15 years in Japan and isn't hard to find. The newest issue is in one of the LP sleeves and was released last month.

No, people SHOULDN'T buy this.
They should steal it from the greedy Japanese record companies who charge absolutely exorbitant prices to foreign customers and demand bonus tracks from artists that the rest of the world is not entitled to.


I'm all in favor of supporting the artist, until it comes to these damn Japan-only releases.

I say that having already been rearended on the Jap Arrival to the tune of $36. Never again.

I just received 4 of the Japanese Remastered Mini LPs last night: Journey, Look Into The Future, Next, and Dream After Dream. They sound amazing, absolutely amazing. Not to mention the fact that they have the original LP inserts and/or record sleeve and cover art. It was a much better purchase than the recent USA reissues. The CDs are about $18.00 this includes registered air mail from Japan. Well worth the money if you are a diehard fan. StyxCollector, thanks again for informing me about these.

[StyxCollector]

People should go buy this. It's been out on CD for at least 15 years in Japan and isn't hard to find. The newest issue is in one of the LP sleeves and was released last month.

No, people SHOULDN'T buy this.
They should steal it from the greedy Japanese record companies who charge absolutely exorbitant prices to foreign customers and demand bonus tracks from artists that the rest of the world is not entitled to.


I'm all in favor of supporting the artist, until it comes to these damn Japan-only releases.

I say that having already been rearended on the Jap Arrival to the tune of $36. Never again.

Back the fucking bus up. DAD has been pretty much budget line in Japan for years - the new one is 1800 yen tax included (which is about 16 bucks). IIRC Arrival was 2400 yen.

If some importer ripped you off, don't blame Sony Japan. They don't sell to foreign customers. It's not the record company's fault you're not paying list price. There are plenty of places on the 'net who sell at or close to list price in Japan.

Also, blame Sony USA for not releasing remastered versions of some of the albums in this case.

Get a clue.

And also you realize that by not buying it legitimately (or getting a used copy that was bought legitimately), you're actually taking money away from people who deserve to get it such as the artist themselves.

[StyxCollector]

I just received 4 of the Japanese Remastered Mini LPs last night: Journey, Look Into The Future, Next, and Dream After Dream. They sound amazing, absolutely amazing. Not to mention the fact that they have the original LP inserts and/or record sleeve and cover art. It was a much better purchase than the recent USA reissues. The CDs are about $18.00 this includes registered air mail from Japan. Well worth the money if you are a diehard fan. StyxCollector, thanks again for informing me about these.

Glad I could help. Unfortunately other than Frontiers, the rest of the mini LPs sound like crap or are the same masterings as their US counterparts. TBF sounds horrid - I had to shut it off. It distorts in parts where it didn't used to. I bought the whole set for completist's sake.

You won't find better sounding versions of the albums you list, tho

[larryfromnextdoor]

Back the fu_king bus up. Get a clue.

"Rather touchy isnt he?"

[StyxCollector]

Not touchy at all. Pisses me off when people are blaming the wrong folks for a problem that really is not a problem.

It's like saying something akin to, "Well, BestBuy sells this for $9.99. I purchased it at FYE for $18.99. Damn record company." No one put a gun to his head to spend $36 on the import of Arrival. I paid about $25 new prior to shipping when it was released.

I also have a big issue with pirating released studio albums that are available. I am not talking about live bootlegs or unreleased stuff. But Dream After Dream is in print and has been easy to get for years on CD.

[Red13JoePa]

Back the fu_king bus up. Get a clue.

"Rather touchy isnt he?"

Yes, she is a bit hostile but who really gives a shit?


I KNOW that even if you DON'T go through an importer and buy say, Generations off the King (Of Greed) Records site you still get mugged. To say nothing of the fact of the sense of entitlement those companies have for exclusive Japan-only bonus tracks to rope in degenerates like I was.
As previously posted I am all for supporting the artists' pockets, especially in THIS day and age where platinum-selling money making records are few and far between anymore.
Until it comes to the US record buyer being jacknifed over and rearended.

[brywool]

Destiny, Sandcastles and Little Girl are the only songs I really dug off of DAD. Little Girl's a CLASSIC song. Great friggin' song.
Speaking of "Moon Theme", the beginning is the prelude that Perry used to sing before "Wheel in the Sky" without the vocals. Check the Infinity Demos boot. Also, listening to Destiny, you can totally tell where "Where Were You" came from. Cool.

[yulog]

Dream after dream is obtainable on the net for free, saw it today---actually the entire collection of journey is free except for the newest re-releases.

[StyxCollector]

Dream after dream is obtainable on the net for free, saw it today---actually the entire collection of journey is free except for the newest re-releases.

Why do people feel like they are entitled to take these for free? I don't get it.

[Red13JoePa]

I can agree with you on this one, collector. Not on the Japanese release issue, but the wide-release music being posted online to rip free is a huge reason why our favorite bands don't make many records anymore.

[StyxCollector]

Yes, she is a bit hostile but who really gives a shit?

I KNOW that even if you DON'T go through an importer and buy say, Generations off the King (Of Greed) Records site you still get mugged. To say nothing of the fact of the sense of entitlement those companies have for exclusive Japan-only bonus tracks to rope in degenerates like I was.
As previously posted I am all for supporting the artists' pockets, especially in THIS day and age where platinum-selling money making records are few and far between anymore.
Until it comes to the US record buyer being jacknifed over and rearended.

So you can buy DAD for $16 - 17. How is that a ripoff? In fact, http://cgi.ebay.com/JOURNEY-DREAM-AFTER ... dZViewItem - this person is charging $3 for shipping.

And do you even know why the Japanese put bonus cuts on most releases? It's one of two things:
1. The international version (i.e. the import to Japan which could be the US version) usually comes out earlier, so the record companies there feel they need to put something on to entice the Japanese domestic buyer to get their domestic release. That in turn makes it attractive to people outside Japan since they have exclusive tracks.
2. The imports can be had there for pretty cheap, so again, it's about value for the yen.

They aren't doing it to rope in people like you. This has been the Japanese buisness model for CDs since the late 80s or early 90s.

Some albums just won't ever get released here on CD such as Dream After Dream. Get over youself - I don't see Sony needing to consult with you about the way they go about their business. If you don't like it, not much you can do about it. But making illegal copies is piracy. There's no grey area there.

[Red13JoePa]

Hey look, dude. I just think it's BULLSHIT when Japan gets the releases before the rest of the world and are able to demand and get exclusive bonus tracks that we have to pay out the eyes for. If the releases were all the same, then I could live with the release delays.

[NealIsGod]

I love how even a thread started to discuss how cool we are devolves into a fight.

[ohsherrie]

I love how even a thread started to discuss how cool we are devolves into a fight.

Gotta love MR. At least the topic of this dustup is a bit unique.

[yulog]

Dream after dream is obtainable on the net for free, saw it today---actually the entire collection of journey is free except for the newest re-releases.

Why do people feel like they are entitled to take these for free? I don't get it.

Probably because its old and the majority of the money has already been made off these cds. Also, there is a large group of people out there that are sick of buying crap cds ,especially newer ones(lets face it --it is the generation of garage bands) ,and feel they should have the opportunity to listen to the music first before deciding to buy it. There will always be people who find your morals or ethics not the same as theirs.Lastly, and i'm a firm believer of this ,everyone gets something for free, it may not be right it may not be fair but it happens, and what you dont get i do and vica versa.Girls get out of speeding tickets all the time because they have boobs----it aint fair, it aint right but its a part of life. People get free cds /music all the time not much different from the boob thing and the list goes on --im sure if you think about it you have received something that you shouldnt have, or for free when others have not ,aint right ,aint fair but you got it anyway-------the world is a funny place!

[StyxCollector]

Hey look, dude. I just think it's BULLSHIT when Japan gets the releases before the rest of the world and are able to demand and get exclusive bonus tracks that we have to pay out the eyes for. If the releases were all the same, then I could live with the release delays.

You have it wrong. Japan gets stuff after us, not before us. That's why they have exclusives - it's incentive for their own people to buy their releases. It's a business model that wasn't designed to work for any other country other than Japan. Not all Japanese releases get bonus tracks. Now, if one does and you're a fan of that band, it makes it desirable. It's an unintended outcome of the Japanese business model.

Now, before you go slag only on the Japanese, it happens all the time in Europe, too. You may get different versions of an album in the US, Japan, the UK, and Germany - all with different bonus cuts. Not unlike going to BestBuy and Target to get two different bonus things.

The Japan model has spread. YOu just are too blind to see it.

[Red13JoePa]

Sometimes before, sometimes after. Hell, Japan had Arrival in Oct 2000, don't tell ME I have it backwards. King Of Greed had Generations before the rest of the wolrd too. Whatever, getting exclusive bonus tracks and the labels here who kowtow to it is the irritating thing. And they do charge exorbitant prices.

And I KNOW it happens in Europe, but they play ball with the US companies, too. Frontiers reached an aggreement that allowed Sanctuary to carry Never Too Late on Generations, originally scheduled to be left off the Sanctuary US release.

Did King allow Sanctuary to have The Pride Of The Family?


It is a greedy manuever plain and simple no matter how long you pontificate on the brilliant businness acumen of the Jap record outfits.

[Moon Beam]

Hi Nora, cool of you to start a thread about thanks
and the KINDNESS found in MR folk.

Happy Friday Lot!

[StyxCollector]

Frontiers reached an aggreement that allowed Sanctuary to carry Never Too Late on Generations, originally scheduled to be left off the Sanctuary US release.

Did King allow Sanctuary to have The Pride Of The Family?

That was all negotiated in the deal with King and Frontiers. Journey and the labels negotiate that as part of the contracts they sign to ensure that Europe, Japan, or the US - in whatever order their particular version is released - will sell. No guarantees.

I'd have to look at my copy of Generations from Japan, but it's conceivable that they had to work it out with Frontiers since it seems they had most of the marbles.

[Red13JoePa]

I'd have to look at my copy of Generations from Japan, but it's conceivable that they had to work it out with Frontiers since it seems they had most of the marbles.

Well, good then. King had all the marbles great for them, really makes me want to not "slag" them for keeping The Pride Of The Family off the Sanctuary release.

[StyxCollector]

I'd have to look at my copy of Generations from Japan, but it's conceivable that they had to work it out with Frontiers since it seems they had most of the marbles.

Well, good then. King had all the marbles great for them, really makes me want to not "slag" them for keeping The Pride Of The Family off the Sanctuary release.

I meant Frontiers had the marbles, not King. It is my understanding that Frontiers controlled what country got what since they were the first licensee of that album.

As for Arrival, Journey went and reworked the album for the rest of the world after it "leaked" on Napster. Otherwise, everyone would have essentially gotten the same versions.

[Red13JoePa]

As for Arrival, Journey went and reworked the album for the rest of the world after it "leaked" on Napster. Otherwise, everyone would have essentially gotten the same versions.

Oh no they would not have.
As it was, I'm Not That Way was scheduled (as usual) to be Japan-only giving the chosen ones 13 tracks and the rest of the world 12. The album was released there fully 4 months before the US scheduled February release.
It didn't turn out that way but you better believe that even though the US got the post facto-added WGW and NCC, Japan got to keep I'm Not That Way to themselves.

PS KING had the marbles, not Frontiers. King Of Greed had the album 1st including NTL and TPOTF and deigned to allow ( ) Frontiers to have NTL. Frontiers then played ball and let Sanctuary have NTL (I hope to the chagrin of King).

[StyxCollector]

Blame Journey then. They signed the contracts and complied with these "evil" companies to give them the exclusives.

[Red13JoePa]

Blame Journey then. They signed the contracts and complied with these "evil" companies to give them the exclusives.

OK, appreciate your tactical switch but I think I think I'll stick with focusing my disgust on the Japanese business geniuses who tell the Journeys of the world, "You want releasee you givee exclusive songees."

What choice does a journey or styx have in that matter? Hell I want them to get their records out in as many markets as possible too.

[ohsherrie]

Thanks NIG, you're great.

[TRAGChick]

Unbelievable.

You mean to tell me that back in the day, a friend of yours didn't hook you up - AT NO CHARGE - a "mixtape"? Or a copy of an album you couldn't afford at the time?

Hey, she didn't ask for any $$ from me; she just copied it...

...and gave it to me.

(MUCH appreciated, BTW )

...isn't that the "forum etiquette" ~ that you "give and/or trade"....NOT asking for money??

[StyxCollector]

Unbelievable.

You mean to tell me that back in the day, a friend of yours didn't hook you up - AT NO CHARGE - a "mixtape"? Or a copy of an album you couldn't afford at the time?

Hey, she didn't ask for any $$ from me; she just copied it...

...and gave it to me.

(MUCH appreciated, BTW )

...isn't that the "forum etiquette" ~ that you "give and/or trade"....NOT asking for money??

Actually, no. I always bought my own stuff. Collecting music is something I've done since I can remember. Started with vinyl, went to tape, and now CD, SACD, etc.

A nice gesture is a nice gesture, but it's still pirating. Doesn't matter if money was exchanged or not. If you like it, you should go buy it now that you've heard it. That would close the circle. I have no issue with trading unreleased/live stuff that isn't circulated and will never be sold. This type of copying which we're talking about (a full commercial album) is exactly at the heart of all of the lawsuits, download sites, etc. It's why the RIAA killed DAT as a consumer format. This is an age old argument which goes back to the Walkman days when it became easy to copy cassettes. I can see both sides of the argument, but there comes a point you need to make your own decisions on this.

As a musician yourself, I would think you would understand this argument. It's the principle behind it. I'm sure Journey could probably give two shits that the $.15 they may get from the sale of a reissue is accounted for or not, but as a fellow musician, I'm surprised you have the double standard.

I mean, you could find a used copy fairly cheap one on CD since it's been constantly in print for about 15 years.

[yulog]

We all have our pet peeves.

[larryfromnextdoor]

We all have our pet peeves.

"and we all have our FAULTS, mines in california"- Lex L.

[TRAGChick]

Unbelievable.

You mean to tell me that back in the day, a friend of yours didn't hook you up - AT NO CHARGE - a "mixtape"? Or a copy of an album you couldn't afford at the time?

Hey, she didn't ask for any $$ from me; she just copied it...

...and gave it to me.

(MUCH appreciated, BTW )

...isn't that the "forum etiquette" ~ that you "give and/or trade"....NOT asking for money??

Actually, no. I always bought my own stuff. Collecting music is something I've done since I can remember. Started with vinyl, went to tape, and now CD, SACD, etc.

A nice gesture is a nice gesture, but it's still pirating. Doesn't matter if money was exchanged or not. If you like it, you should go buy it now that you've heard it. That would close the circle. I have no issue with trading unreleased/live stuff that isn't circulated and will never be sold.

This type of copying which we're talking about (a full commercial album) is exactly at the heart of all of the lawsuits, download sites, etc. It's why the RIAA killed DAT as a consumer format. This is an age old argument which goes back to the Walkman days when it became easy to copy cassettes. I can see both sides of the argument, but there comes a point you need to make your own decisions on this.

Well, if that's your argument, then just call in the SWAT Team right now, to hunt down Gen-Xers and those before us....because we've all taped stuff off the radio and/or gave copies of stuff we liked to friends.

As a musician yourself, I would think you would understand this argument. It's the principle behind it. I'm sure Journey could probably give two shits that the $.15 they may get from the sale of a reissue is accounted for or not, but as a fellow musician, I'm surprised you have the double standard.

Yes, I do see your point....but, my point is:

What if you're someone like me that DOES NOT OWN a Credit Card? How am I supposed to order an overseas thing like that?

And BESIDES that, I have ponied up a LOT OF MONEY over the years, supporting Steve & Journey Concerts / CDs / Fan Memorabilia.

So, I'm gonna be faulted over 15 cents?