Journey Deny Tapegate "rumours"

[Rockindeano]

And it is entirely POSSIBLE that tapes were not used to the extent that was being alleged.

This will never go away...and that was predictable since the day it started.

Ok Liz. It's also possible to prove an elephant can hang off a cliff with its' tail tied around a daisy too.

You need to get real. Even Abitaman....Fucking Abitaman has conceded it happened.

[ohsherrie]

I'll wait until I read the article(if someone is kind enough to post it here) to decide how I feel about it, but if they truly are lying about it I have problems with that. We all know it happened. That doesn't mean I'll stop being a fan, but I'll be a fan who's almost as disappointed in the lie as I was with the tapes.

Oh, not you too. It was just a temporary fix for something that was wrong. I don't think Journey did anything that wrong. It wasn't right, but what the heck else could they do in the middle of a tour? Who would be more diappointed? All the fans that payed to see them that got a great show, or the few that did find out?

I'm not sure whether to take you "tongue in cheek" or not Shoot. I mean, they could at least admit to "vocal enhancements that they used out of respect for a singer whose voice was failing until it became impossible to do so any longer".

[Rockindeano]

No Sherrie. They fucked up. They got away with it. I say good on that. There is a lot this band has had happen to it, much of it bad. I say we cut them a huge break and see what they deliver.

Absolutely do not admit to it.

[ohsherrie]

No Sherrie. They fucked up. They got away with it. I say good on that. There is a lot this band has had happen to it, much of it bad. I say we cut them a huge break and see what they deliver.

Absolutely do not admit to it.

I agree with you completely on that Dean. I'm just saying they should dodge the question or cushion the answer in some way and not just LIE about it. It could come back to bite them later. I don't want them to be disgraced.

[Rick]

I'll wait until I read the article(if someone is kind enough to post it here) to decide how I feel about it, but if they truly are lying about it I have problems with that. We all know it happened. That doesn't mean I'll stop being a fan, but I'll be a fan who's almost as disappointed in the lie as I was with the tapes.

Oh, not you too. It was just a temporary fix for something that was wrong. I don't think Journey did anything that wrong. It wasn't right, but what the heck else could they do in the middle of a tour? Who would be more diappointed? All the fans that payed to see them that got a great show, or the few that did find out?

I'm not sure whether to take you "tongue in cheek" or not Shoot. I mean, they could at least admit to "vocal enhancements that they used out of respect for a singer whose voice was failing until it became impossible to do so any longer".

No, sorry Sherrie, not tongue in cheek. Let me say this first. What they did wasn't right, but I don't think what they did was so friggin awful. What I am saying is, they did what was the best thing to do at the time. I just don't see why everyone is so bent out of shape about it. What they did was very temporary. It wasn't like they were going to continue their musical lives doing that. I just dont understand why, "Journey Fans" would be so hard on them when they had to do something to fix a temporary problem. I don't want to demean Augeri as to say he was a problem that is easily fixed. The dude did a fine job for his tenure. His voice cracked out, and measures had to be taken. My point is, I think the band went into the 06 tour thinking he was ok, or at least hoping he could manage the rigors of it. Whether it be with vocal coaching or sprays like everyone says he was using. Doesn't make a difference. I just don't blame the band for making a decision to continue a tour in progress, even if they had to augment, or even replace the vocals temporarily. I think the general fan base is happier because they continued.

[ohsherrie]

I'll wait until I read the article(if someone is kind enough to post it here) to decide how I feel about it, but if they truly are lying about it I have problems with that. We all know it happened. That doesn't mean I'll stop being a fan, but I'll be a fan who's almost as disappointed in the lie as I was with the tapes.

Oh, not you too. It was just a temporary fix for something that was wrong. I don't think Journey did anything that wrong. It wasn't right, but what the heck else could they do in the middle of a tour? Who would be more diappointed? All the fans that payed to see them that got a great show, or the few that did find out?

I'm not sure whether to take you "tongue in cheek" or not Shoot. I mean, they could at least admit to "vocal enhancements that they used out of respect for a singer whose voice was failing until it became impossible to do so any longer".

No, sorry Sherrie, not tongue in cheek. Let me say this first. What they did wasn't right, but I don't think what they did was so friggin awful. What I am saying is, they did what was the best thing to do at the time. I just don't see why everyone is so bent out of shape about it. What they did was very temporary. It wasn't like they were going to continue their musical lives doing that. I just dont understand why, "Journey Fans" would be so hard on them when they had to do something to fix a temporary problem. I don't want to demean Augeri as to say he was a problem that is easily fixed. The dude did a fine job for his tenure. His voice cracked out, and measures had to be taken. My point is, I think the band went into the 06 tour thinking he was ok, or at least hoping he could manage the rigors of it. Whether it be with vocal coaching or sprays like everyone says he was using. Doesn't make a difference. I just don't blame the band for making a decision to continue a tour in progress, even if they had to augment, or even replace the vocals temporarily. I think the general fan base is happier because they continued.

OK, sorry I didn't get the right meaning from your previous post.

I think they started out in '05 doing what they thought was best in order to continue a tour that was already in progress. I just think they should have made other arrangements before they went to the UK or started the tour with Def Leopard. I'm sure that they(whoever they may be) still thought they were doing what was best based on what they were dealing with at the time, whether legally, financially, or humanely. It just turned out to be a bad decision and now they should admit to at least what started the downhill slide. Maybe they can't legally do that though. Who knows what kind of legal restrictions they're under? If those restrictions are forcing them to lie though, those lies could come back on them in a bad way.

[SteveForever]

Okay, I don't mean to beat a dead horse. But what about this theory.....what if all of this was some sort of false insurance type claim dreamt up by the band to indeed oust Augeri? maybe he wanted out and they wanted him out but someone with more power said no, so they all agreed to burn his voice out to get what they wanted? it was awful and bad cover up but he in the end got nice coin $$$$ and retired, meanwhile they were practicing with JSS and all went as planned..........

[Rockindeano]

Okay, I don't mean to beat a dead horse. But what about this theory.....what if all of this was some sort of false insurance type claim dreamt up by the band to indeed oust Augeri? maybe he wanted out and they wanted him out but someone with more power said no, so they all agreed to burn his voice out to get what they wanted? it was awful and bad cover up but he in the end got nice coin $$$$ and retired, meanwhile they were practicing with JSS and all went as planned..........

Genius plan, but no one in Journey is that deft. No way they would attempt that.

[Deb]

Qué será, será, Whatever will be, will be! I'm just happy Journey has a balls-on-fire frontman again.

[Rockindeano]

Hope EDM beats the pecker snot out of the Flamers tonight. Deb, you been watching Hockey day in Canada? Haha, Moondude is all bent because her Leafletts got smoked at home by the Vancouver boys. Sucks to be you, Moondog

[WalrusOct9]

Hopefully someone can transcribe this or scan it, since a lot of us can't exactly go down to our local store and buy Classic Rock. I'd be very curious to hear what they say.

It's in the past, but I wish they'd just own up to it instead of lying.

[Liz22562]

Apparently Deano, you don't seem to understand. I could CARE LESS what you, Abitaman or anyone else on this forum believe. I could CARE LESS WHAT tapes were used, IF they were used and/or HOW they were used. It doesn't affect me in any way, shape or form. I said that last summer and I'll say it again.

If your little elephant wants to hang over a cliff using its little tail on a daisy...thats your world, not mine.

By the way.......GO COLTS!!!!!!!

[ohsosoto]

It's stupid for them to deny it. Eventually, someone with first hand knowledge is going to spill this story with all of the dirty details. The correct response would be something along the lines of "we were starting to rely on backing voclas a little too much and Steve's voice just wasn't cutting it....so we had to make a change."

personally i would go with "wouldja believe...."

[Rockindeano]

Apparently Deano, you don't seem to understand. I could CARE LESS what you, Abitaman or anyone else on this forum believe. I could CARE LESS WHAT tapes were used, IF they were used and/or HOW they were used. It doesn't affect me in any way, shape or form. I said that last summer and I'll say it again.

If your little elephant wants to hang over a cliff using its little tail on a daisy...thats your world, not mine.

By the way.......GO COLTS!!!!!!!

That's your stance? What the Hell is that? You don't care that a rock band charges you 50-100 bucks to see a singer fake it?

THAT's pathetic. Get a goddamned backbone for shits sake.

[Deb]

Hope EDM beats the pecker snot out of the Flamers tonight. Deb, you been watching Hockey day in Canada? Haha, Monndude is all bent because her Leafletts got smoked at home by the Vancouver boys. Sucks to be you, Moondog

LOL, yep.......counting on Kipper, but we sure need Iggy back. Love to see another Canucks/Flames series in the playoffs like 2004. Sorry Moonie, it's an east/west thing, a friend I'm going to Cali with this month is from the east too, razz each other all the time.

[ohsosoto]

i doubt this had anything to do with it, but could have DL have anything to do with "not saying anything" about tapegate? hell, they too were in the
middle of a tour with this band, they would have lost a shit load of income if it all came out as well. how could they not have any say so with a 2 party
ticket? one would think someone would have done their homework before signing on the dotted line with another band before touring. do you honestly
think that they said , "oh tour with journey, no background check needed with the singer that sounds a lot like steve p. at times?" yea, i'm playing the
devils advocate here.

[Rockindeano]

The Lippard can't say anything. They are just as bad if not worse. They were obvious in their attempt to be live. Ray Charles himself could have seen the difference when Elliot went live from his tape. Fucking embarrassing.

[ohsosoto]

The Lippard can't say anything. They are just as bad if not worse. They were obvious in their attempt to be live. Ray Charles himself could have seen the difference when Elliot went live from his tape. Fucking embarrassing.

just my shittn luck. out of all the peeps on this forum and
YOU had to answer. why couldn't some puss reply and not shut me down so fast. it's supposed to create some chit-chat, not dead air!

[Rockindeano]

If you want, reply to me, I will delete my post, then you yours, then I will delreyte mine and so forth.

[ohsosoto]

If you want, reply to me, I will delete my post, then you yours, then I will delreyte mine and so forth.

nah, at least
you didn't call me something my mother couldn't even utter, and she can be quite foul. so how many times during a live performance do you
think joe utilizes the tapes? is that why i don't see him during sound checks, but the others are out there? or is just bad timing on my part for his
involvement?

[SteveForever]

If you want, reply to me, I will delete my post, then you yours, then I will delreyte mine and so forth.

nah, at least
you didn't call me something my mother couldn't even utter, and she can be quite foul. so how many times during a live performance do you
think joe utilizes the tapes? is that why i don't see him during sound checks, but the others are out there? or is just bad timing on my part for his
involvement?

Don't they all just use them to hit the high notes in concert? I'm glad they do, I don't want to hear them sqwack (-5 for mispelling) and struggle.....I wish SOMEONE in Journey would do something super scandalous so we could talk about something else....someone needs to get arrested or hook up with Posh Beckham.

[ohsosoto]

hell, if its just for the high notes, i have a pair of vice grips i could sell for a cool million.

[Rockindeano]

If you want, reply to me, I will delete my post, then you yours, then I will delreyte mine and so forth.

nah, at least
you didn't call me something my mother couldn't even utter, and she can be quite foul. so how many times during a live performance do you
think joe utilizes the tapes? is that why i don't see him during sound checks, but the others are out there? or is just bad timing on my part for his
involvement?

Dude, I shouldn't say this, but who cares?

Def Lippards soundchecks were done sometimes without any members there. That tells you something.

[ohsosoto]

ya, i'm flat, but i swear i'm not a dude. i did spawn 2 girls. once again, man....don't shoot me down. gahhh....

[Rockindeano]

Never! Not without a reason.

[ohsosoto]

Never! Not without a reason.

does "still green" and bullseye mean the same thing? yea, don't even answer that one.
just roll over it like ya never saw it.

[Rockindeano]

Never! Not without a reason.

does "still green" and bullseye mean the same thing? yea, don't even answer that one.
just roll over it like ya never saw it.

You can't use that excuse. 58 posts in and you are no longer green.

Come on, toughen up.

[ohsosoto]

my posts are generally just "air" and not so rosey smellin either.

[Deb]

Never! Not without a reason.

does "still green" and bullseye mean the same thing? yea, don't even answer that one.
just roll over it like ya never saw it.

[Abitaman]

And it is entirely POSSIBLE that tapes were not used to the extent that was being alleged.

This will never go away...and that was predictable since the day it started.

Ok Liz. It's also possible to prove an elephant can hang off a cliff with its' tail tied around a daisy too.

You need to get real. Even Abitaman....F**king Abitaman has conceded it happened.

Yea, I have said I believe tapes were used. Some shows more than others. Some shows less than others. Been going thru ,my collection right now, and I have had the time to do this since the K stone. Some places you can tell, some shows you really really have to listen.
But having said that. I am still an Augeri and still a Journey fan. They messed up, plain and simple. Augeri made his escape from the band and they have went there separate ways. Wished they would have waited. But the band really needed to move on, which they have, and they have a great replacement. I believe we all are going to be very surprised by the new Journey cd. I have been getting Jeff's stuff, and I like it a lot (shame I can't really say that for soul sirkus).
And Dean I am not a "f**king Abitaman! I have a stint it so I can't -ERIC