Augeri interview explains how Journey took a toll on his VOX

Voted Worlds #1 Most Loonatic Fanbase

Moderator: Andrew

fartlitto...

Postby roknroseville » Wed Jan 24, 2007 5:04 pm

I agree with you..
Oh yeah carlitto fartlitto? whatever your name is ...
learn how to prononce your words better
it's rok n rose ville...... easy as 123...
Try it a few times & maybe you'll get the hang of it...
I didn't know they let people under 18 on the forum..
roknroseville
Ol' 78
 
Posts: 111
Joined: Thu Dec 21, 2006 1:40 pm

Postby Andrew » Wed Jan 24, 2007 5:40 pm

Ok, enough of the personal back and forth thank you.
User avatar
Andrew
Administrator
 
Posts: 10961
Joined: Thu Aug 29, 2002 9:12 pm
Location: Hobart, Tasmania, Australia

Re: fartlitto...

Postby Carlitto H@kk » Wed Jan 24, 2007 6:10 pm

roknroseville wrote:I agree with you..
Oh yeah carlitto fartlitto? whatever your name is ...
learn how to prononce your words better
it's rok n rose ville...... easy as 123...
Try it a few times & maybe you'll get the hang of it...
I didn't know they let people under 18 on the forum..


Image

Oh how sweet!
I made a new friend tonight!
And so original!

BTW, just turned 18 at midnight tonight
so I guess that makes me legal now :wink:
Welcome to Terminus... You hungry?
User avatar
Carlitto H@kk
Stereo LP
 
Posts: 2891
Joined: Wed Aug 09, 2006 3:27 am
Location: Home & Well

Postby Andrew » Wed Jan 24, 2007 8:19 pm

ENOUGH!
User avatar
Andrew
Administrator
 
Posts: 10961
Joined: Thu Aug 29, 2002 9:12 pm
Location: Hobart, Tasmania, Australia

Postby Red13JoePa » Thu Jan 25, 2007 12:35 am

Jeremey wrote:
Red13JoePa wrote:
I'm figuring that as the sound guy he did what he was told with the carte blanche to use his expert ear to know when to turn Steve down and the tape up.



That's the exact point I'm making - Not putting blame on Kevin, only saying that he was likely the only one who knew just how much was live and how much was tape feed.


Right....hear ya.

*Sigh*....what a fucking mess. :(
"I love almost everybody."---Rocky Balboa 1990
"Let's reform this thing.Let's go out and get some guys who want to work and go do it"--Neal Schon February, 2001
"I looked at Neal, and I just saw a guy who really wants his band back"-JCain 2/01
Red13JoePa
MP3
 
Posts: 11646
Joined: Wed Jul 06, 2005 11:43 pm
Location: Happy Valley

Postby Red13JoePa » Thu Jan 25, 2007 12:40 am

stevew2 wrote:
Jeremey wrote:
Red13JoePa wrote:



You do have a good point if anyone could help pull it off,it would be Kevin,he was with Journey,a long time ago. I hope he is not running the board on the next tour. I wouldnt trust him anymore{as a fan}



Hold it, with JSS that is a moot point now right? Kevin Elson's not supposed to be doing dual duties now, mixing the sound and flipping the switch anymore.
The guy's been with the band forever, produced their best records and there is a comfort level with that professional relationship. Frankly I'd be pissed if he had to pay the ultimate price and hope the hell he produces the next album. To me he's the anti-Shirley.
"I love almost everybody."---Rocky Balboa 1990
"Let's reform this thing.Let's go out and get some guys who want to work and go do it"--Neal Schon February, 2001
"I looked at Neal, and I just saw a guy who really wants his band back"-JCain 2/01
Red13JoePa
MP3
 
Posts: 11646
Joined: Wed Jul 06, 2005 11:43 pm
Location: Happy Valley

Postby Abitaman » Thu Jan 25, 2007 7:58 am

Red13JoePa wrote:
stevew2 wrote:
Jeremey wrote:
Red13JoePa wrote:



You do have a good point if anyone could help pull it off,it would be Kevin,he was with Journey,a long time ago. I hope he is not running the board on the next tour. I wouldnt trust him anymore{as a fan}



Hold it, with JSS that is a moot point now right? Kevin Elson's not supposed to be doing dual duties now, mixing the sound and flipping the switch anymore.
The guy's been with the band forever, produced their best records and there is a comfort level with that professional relationship. Frankly I'd be pissed if he had to pay the ultimate price and hope the hell he produces the next album. To me he's the anti-Shirley.

I agree keep Kevin in-ERIC
Eric, the Abitaman
Abitaman
Stereo LP
 
Posts: 4865
Joined: Fri Aug 13, 2004 8:06 pm
Location: NO LONGER in West TN, now in East TN's beautiful Smokey Mountains

Postby The_Noble_Cause » Fri Jan 26, 2007 3:10 am

Jeremey wrote:I believe he had the ad lib parts worked out well in advance - In that it's pretty tough to come up with new exciting ad lib parts year after year


Real ad-libs are, in some cases, spontaneous. You can't anticipate them.
Oh sure, there are some ad-libs you can set your watch to.
Think Perry shouting out a city's name in place of "South Detroit" in DSB.
However, in '05, the ad-libs were contained to certain key moments which never fluctuated.
I don't think it was a case of Elson simply knowing Augeri's on-stage antics.
I think it was a case of deliberate collusion between Elson and Steve.
I belive Augeri knew when he was *on* and when tape had his back.
As several Augeri diehards confided, the difference in Augeri's on-stage persona in '05 was striking.
For a singer known for his ability to touch people, he became a by-rote automaton.

I'm not hoisting sole blame on Steve's crestfallen shoulders.
I've said a million times that this band is a bunch of fly-by-night souless grifters.
However, for me, Steve deserves the most blame.
He willingly perpetrated a fraud on the time-tested and loyal hearted Journey fans - many of whom were skeptical to give him a chance to begin with.

I'll keep an eye out for an apology in the liner notes of "In the Moment".
"I think we should all sue this women for depriving us of our God given right to go down with a clear mind, and good thoughts." - Stu, Consumate Pussy Eater
User avatar
The_Noble_Cause
Super Audio CD
 
Posts: 16055
Joined: Mon Oct 25, 2004 9:14 am
Location: Lake Titicaca

Postby The_Noble_Cause » Fri Jan 26, 2007 4:07 am

AlienC wrote:Given that you've taken the whole comment out of context, I couldn't care less what you choose to misconstrue.


Tsk, tsk…only one quote into your post and you’ve already resorted to deception.
There was no encompassing text of YOURS to be quoted.
You were quoted in full. Quit lying.

In the interests of easier reading I omitted Jeremy’s comments that you were referencing, but people can certainly scroll up the thread to read them.

Of course there would be some "working it out" , since there were more than one member of crew operating the damn things, I fail to see the significance in any of this.


You’re waffling.
You emphatically agreed (with Jeremy) that Augeri couldn’t possibly know what was being sent to the FOH.
Well then, how did Augeri know to ad-lib ONLY at those few specific moments when the tape was off?
How did he know, for example, that there was a mid-section of FITH that wasn't tape? Hmm?

Hell, In Paul Anka's show, god help you if the film was running slow and Paul was out of synch with the damn things. wouldn't be his fault.


And like every other Journey fan with their back up against the wall trying to defend the indefensible you are resorting to wafer thin musical comparisons.
FUCK Britney Spears.
FUCK N’Sync.
FUCK Toto
And FUCK Paul Anka!
FUCK every artist out their raping their fans wallets right from under them, for that matter.

This is Journey, goddamn’t!
Have you no self-respect as a fan?
Perry didn’t set the vocal bar high so every subsequent vocalist can come along and take a fireman’s axe straight to it.

AlienC wrote:That it took you all as long to figure it out is a testament to the notion that it really is a disconnect with reality that allows this sort of thing to occur in front of your face.


The 2005 “Generations” tour was the first tour where EVERY night involved an overwhelming majority of fakery. In prior tours, high notes had sometimes been tape, an occasional song here and there was tape. Much, much less conspicuous. Considering Deano and others had figured out the con before the US tour was over, I’d say that’s pretty damn good.

I bolded the point that I was responding to, and I stand by it. I NEVER said it was anyone ONLY and to jump to such a conclusion is on you.


What you bolded states that Augeri didn’t know what was coming out at the FOH. That may have been so in ’04 where usually only brief rough segments or high notes where supplanted by tape.
But in ’05, where Augeri held the mic in an ice-cold death grip to his face and ensured his lips matched every word, that would have been impossible.
You may have worked for the band at some point, but you don’t know everything.
And when it comes to TapeGate I think you know less than most.

AlienC wrote:You're splitting hairs in a head chopping contest.


Yeah, yeah, and I bet in my break time I eat a $hit $andwhich

AlienC wrote:
So, if you've been waiting to drop that"disgruntled ex-employee " bomb, I hope you've gotten it off your chest. It shows that is the filter that you read my words through. Further it reveals that you have prejudiced yourself against me through that simple shift in perception based on your own bias.


It’s not a “bomb”.
And it’s not predisposed bias, either.
It's an observation.
As I already mentioned, I contacted Andrew and suggested tracking you down and getting your comments on TapeGate - specifically because of your reputation as an honest objective guy.
However, since coming here, your posts have taken a turn to the dark side.
You seem to have a perennial chip on your shoulder.
Even in this very thread there is a palpable sense of hostility; as if everyone is your enemy.

I guess waiting all day in line for your unemployment check will do that to a man.
Tell me something, do you have a case of the Easy Mac blues?

I'm sticking up for SA because it's the right thing to do when he's getting rat-packed.


That’s all well and good, but most of the discussion in this thread was even-handed.
There was even praise for Augeri’s quality of being “…always approachable to fans.”

You’re defending Steve come hell or high water, the facts be damned.
You're a part of the insensible "Neal-is-the-Devil" rabble now.

but hey, I'll be willing to bet it's yesterdays news to 99.5% of the rest of the world.


It was never news to 99.5% of the world in the first place.
The news spread and did its damage only where it matters most: the music ‘biz and even more important, the fans.
"I think we should all sue this women for depriving us of our God given right to go down with a clear mind, and good thoughts." - Stu, Consumate Pussy Eater
User avatar
The_Noble_Cause
Super Audio CD
 
Posts: 16055
Joined: Mon Oct 25, 2004 9:14 am
Location: Lake Titicaca

Postby Matthew » Fri Jan 26, 2007 4:50 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote:And like every other Journey fan with their back up against the wall trying to defend the indefensible you are resorting to wafer thin musical comparisons.
FUCK Britney Spears.
FUCK N’Sync.
FUCK Toto
And FUCK Paul Anka!
FUCK every artist out their raping their fans wallets right from under them, for that matter.

This is Journey, goddamn’t!
Have you no self-respect as a fan?
Perry didn’t set the vocal bar high so every subsequent vocalist can come along and take a fireman’s axe straight to it.

.



Worthy of a round of applause!
Classic Adult Orientated Rock:
Revived, Remixed and Re-edited

http://aordisco.blogspot.com/
User avatar
Matthew
Stereo LP
 
Posts: 4979
Joined: Fri Jul 28, 2006 2:47 am
Location: London

Postby Jeremey » Fri Jan 26, 2007 7:29 am

Paul Anka - What a guy! He cuts like a hammer....Did you ever get any of the famous "The band gets shirts!!" tirades, Allen?
User avatar
Jeremey
Stereo LP
 
Posts: 3801
Joined: Sat Jul 16, 2005 8:04 am

Postby AlienC » Fri Jan 26, 2007 11:02 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote:
Jeremey wrote:I believe he had the ad lib parts worked out well in advance - In that it's pretty tough to come up with new exciting ad lib parts year after year


Real ad-libs are, in some cases, spontaneous. You can't anticipate them.
Oh sure, there are some ad-libs you can set your watch to.
Think Perry shouting out a city's name in place of "South Detroit" in DSB.
However, in '05, the ad-libs were contained to certain key moments which never fluctuated.
I don't think it was a case of Elson simply knowing Augeri's on-stage antics.
I think it was a case of deliberate collusion between Elson and Steve.
I belive Augeri knew when he was *on* and when tape had his back.
As several Augeri diehards confided, the difference in Augeri's on-stage persona in '05 was striking.
For a singer known for his ability to touch people, he became a by-rote automaton.

I'm not hoisting sole blame on Steve's crestfallen shoulders. I've said a million times that this band is a bunch of fly-by-night souless grifters.
However, for me, Steve deserves the most blame.
He willingly perpetrated a fraud on the time-tested and loyal hearted Journey fans - many of whom were skeptical to give him a chance to begin with.

I'll keep an eye out for an apology in the liner notes of "In the Moment".


I don't disagree with anything you've said here, save the blaming Steve the most. The blame is at the top, where it originated from. The idea of tape assist would be an anathema to a vocalist such as Steve. I specifically remember the conversations about "it" with him.
For me, the blame is Manglement's, in they ignored their earlier promise to rest him, in lieu of "the Big Tour".



[b]I've said a million times that this band is a bunch of fly-by-night souless grifters. [b]


Seems like you have your own disgruntlement issues to work out.

Hope that works out for you.
“Madness is to hold an erroneous perception and argue perfectly from it.” Voltaire
The Hegelian Dialectic is in play. What do YOU do to insure it's failure?
User avatar
AlienC
45 RPM
 
Posts: 253
Joined: Wed Sep 18, 2002 3:58 pm
Location: ...somewhere along 'The Path'....

Postby ohsherrie » Fri Jan 26, 2007 11:14 am

AlienC wrote:I specifically remember the conversations about "it" with him.


So his voice was shot even before you left? :shock:
User avatar
ohsherrie
Digital Audio Tape
 
Posts: 7601
Joined: Sat Jan 04, 2003 12:42 pm

Postby AlienC » Fri Jan 26, 2007 4:08 pm

The_Noble_Cause wrote:Tsk, tsk…only one quote into your post and you’ve already resorted to deception.
There was no encompassing text of YOURS to be quoted.
You were quoted in full. Quit lying.


And yet you can still exaggerate and distort to obscure the original intent?
If anyone needs to quit anything, I suggest it be you and the histrionics.
Also, re-read Andrew's post about the personal attacks. If you want to talk about what happened fine, if you want to bring me into the conversation on a personal level, we're done.



The_Noble_Cause wrote:
You’re waffling.
You emphatically agreed (with Jeremy) that Augeri couldn’t possibly know what was being sent to the FOH.
Well then, how did Augeri know to ad-lib ONLY at those few specific moments when the tape was off?
How did he know, for example, that there was a mid-section of FITH that wasn't tape? Hmm?

No, I'm not waffling, but I am making hamburger of your food metaphor.
I should have used a smiley to indicate humor. Too bad that nuance was lost on you.
Here's something I know a bit about.... There is nothing in a J.inc. show that isn't rehearsed to the Nth degree. The drum tech doesn't just get up and take over because he's a good player or knows the songs, he does it and gets away with it because he's all that and KNOWS THE SHOW.
Which I have previously stated. Reading comprehension FTW.

The_Noble_Cause wrote:

And like every other Journey fan with their back up against the wall trying to defend the indefensible you are resorting to wafer thin musical comparisons.
FUCK Britney Spears.
FUCK N’Sync.
FUCK Toto
And FUCK Paul Anka!
FUCK every artist out their raping their fans wallets right from under them, for that matter.

This is Journey, goddamn’t!
Have you no self-respect as a fan?
Perry didn’t set the vocal bar high so every subsequent vocalist can come along and take a fireman’s axe straight to it.


:shock: WOW, did that feel better? :shock: Dude, you need to back away from whatever has you so worked up.
First, I'm not a fan, I'm a "disgruntled ex-employee". At least that's what you said I was.... OH SNAP>>>>>> :twisted:

Secondly, These are ENTERTAINERS you're talking about. Don't like what they "represent" ?
DON'T gO 2 da SHO! Vote like any other consumer , with your wallet.

They are not putting in substandard ceiling panels in a multi billion dollar tunnel project, they are not selling their vote on the senate floor to defense contractors, they aren't re-engineering blueprints on the job site, they're simply trying to give the audience what they want .... and continue to say they want .... a memorable performance. Like the old days.... It's a show. A disconnect from reality. JUST LIKE A MOVIE.
BTW, none of the original instruments are being used in the performance of these songs, does that make a difference and if not why not ?
Bands quit being social representatives long ago. I guess the memo only went out to the industry. : :roll: (check sarcasm meter )

AlienC wrote:That it took you all as long to figure it out is a testament to the notion that it really is a disconnect with reality that allows this sort of thing to occur in front of your face.


The_Noble_Cause wrote:The 2005 “Generations” tour was the first tour where EVERY night involved an overwhelming majority of fakery. In prior tours, high notes had sometimes been tape, an occasional song here and there was tape. Much, much less conspicuous. Considering Deano and others had figured out the con before the US tour was over, I’d say that’s pretty damn good.


That's a pretty bold statement. "Every Night", and "In prior tours", I didn't know you were on the crew, or is this more hear-say? Care to back up that up with something other than your own disgruntlement ? Oh that's right, you are the whistleblower. Aspersion casting, exaggeration is "ok" from your side of the perceptual fence..... my bad..... :roll: :twisted: It's a moot point, Neal and Ross said "they didn't do it..."


AlienC wrote:I bolded the point that I was responding to, and I stand by it. I NEVER said it was anyone ONLY and to jump to such a conclusion is on you.


What you bolded states that Augeri didn’t know what was coming out at the FOH. That may have been so in ’04 where usually only brief rough segments or high notes where supplanted by tape.
But in ’05, where Augeri held the mic in an ice-cold death grip to his face and ensured his lips matched every word, that would have been impossible.
You may have worked for the band at some point, but you don’t know everything.
And when it comes to TapeGate I think you know less than most.

What I bolded is based on knowing what one can hear when wearing in ear monitors in front of an amplified band. Care to trade experiences? You go first.
Well, given that I haven't seen the shows in question, I cannot comment on what I did not see or hear. Unlike you, who can comment on a personal level about someone they've never met.
But what I have done with this group and with others, in live sound, monitor mixing, recording, show production and technology and again, knowing what was actually discussed and available by the group, is quite a depth and breadth of knowledge that you can only match with conjecture, flights of fanciful rage, and character assassination.
Or more simply.... what I know trumps whatever you can make up or think you "know". Nothing you say or do now can change any of that, nor does it diminish simply because you don't like me or what I choose to say.

The_Noble_Cause wrote:
Yeah, yeah, and I bet in my break time I eat a $hit $andwhich


So you and SA do share the same work ethic after all.
I'm surprised you are as angry with him as you are.
I would expect more empathy after all, you're just employees masking the horrible taste in your mouth left by your choice of delectable delights.
I couldn't do it, swallow their shit anymore , I mean.


AlienC wrote:
So, if you've been waiting to drop that"disgruntled ex-employee " bomb, I hope you've gotten it off your chest. It shows that is the filter that you read my words through. Further it reveals that you have prejudiced yourself against me through that simple shift in perception based on your own bias.


The_Noble_Cause wrote:It’s not a “bomb”. And it’s not predisposed bias, either.
It's an observation.
As I already mentioned, I contacted Andrew and suggested tracking you down and getting your comments on TapeGate - specifically because of your reputation as an honest objective guy.
However, since coming here, your posts have taken a turn to the dark side.
You seem to have a perennial chip on your shoulder.
Even in this very thread there is a palpable sense of hostility; as if everyone is your enemy.

I guess waiting all day in line for your unemployment check will do that to a man.
Tell me something, do you have a case of the Easy Mac blues?

Oh, OK, SURE, Tell me about that hostility you're PERCEIVING coughtransferringcough on my behalf.... Any possibility you're responsible for your own perceptions and feelings ??? You can disagree all you want but you're the one taking cheap, personal shots at me.
Why aren't you at NSA tapping terrorist email? The way you can deduce things over the intarweb is AMAZING . :lol:
What I'm hostile about is your assumption you can be familiar with me. You don't know me, and you've never been so civil as to introduce yourself, yet you'll use my given name as if we're friends. I don't fucking know you. I do understand why the objects of your desire refuse to interact while on the web, given how misconstrued and out of context even the most simple of exchanges can become.

The_Noble_Cause wrote:That’s all well and good, but most of the discussion in this thread was even-handed.
There was even praise for Augeri’s quality of being “…always approachable to fans.”

You’re defending Steve come hell or high water, the facts be damned.
You're a part of the insensible "Neal-is-the-Devil" rabble now.

Again with the histrionicss..... :roll:
Your assumptions as to my motives simply show that filter I referred to earlier.
Look, since you can't be honest with yourself, please get off my back and let someone else have a turn.
At the very least don't pretend to know anything about me and do the board a favor and quit with the personal affronts.
Andrew has asked for topical discussion and personal attacks are to stop

LOL :lol: at the repeated insinuation that I am bitter as to my tenure with the group.
It further illustrates how little you really understand about "show business", and the people who inhabit it....There are far more ex-employees than current and it is this manglement's style to rotate crews so they( the band) do not develop any personal attachments to staff. This is diametrically opposed to the former management's style where you promoted from within and each could rise to the highest level they chose to.... See Kevin Elson for proof.


Further LOL :lol: :lol: at the insinuation that I'm unemployed. I wasn't unemployed when they fired me for choking on the $hit $andwich I was being force fed.
I went to another gig. Just like every other tech has before me and will after me as well.
A little guitar picker named Steve Vai , maybe you've heard of him....?


They are simply another name on a long list of names of artists in one of my resumes.




The_Noble_Cause wrote:
It was never news to 99.5% of the world in the first place.
The news spread and did its damage only where it matters most: the music ‘biz and even more important, the fans.

Well, I got news for ya, there's been little , if any, repercussions so far from that little debacle within the industry. So that means only a VERY SMALL number of people even know this occured. That number will dwindle as time goes by. As i said above, it's a moot point. They've decided to cover it up and deny it. People will think you're nuts if you tell them what happened in just a few years. It's been relegated to a non event.

Now, Neal can drive the car his way and maybe take it where they haven't driven before. It's their only hope to not having to go back to driving on that rutted road they've been traversing so far.
As I've said before, I was lured in here by another ex-tech guy who told me about what was happening.

Like driving past an accident, I slowed to look. Maybe see if I could illuminate what is and was possible within the framework of show production.
But I don't need any armchair psychiatrist proffering diagnosis in absentia. Nor am I inclined to get back into the shallow end of this pool of personal invective.
Perhaps you're looking for an absolute solution and in this case,I THINK it can be only a shared responsibility, because the buck stops with those tasked with the administration of THE SHOW. Kind of like politics, which is another distasteful, $hit $andwich- eating lot.
I am very happy in the real world where this little J.inc. Melodrama isn't the catastrophe one would think by visiting here and BT, but simply a musical footnote that lost it's relevance a long time ago.
Enjoy it while it lasts.

nimium notitia semino contemptio explains it all.




STILL there's this........

"And did we tell you the name of the game boys? We call it riding the GRAVY TRAINNNN........"
“Madness is to hold an erroneous perception and argue perfectly from it.” Voltaire
The Hegelian Dialectic is in play. What do YOU do to insure it's failure?
User avatar
AlienC
45 RPM
 
Posts: 253
Joined: Wed Sep 18, 2002 3:58 pm
Location: ...somewhere along 'The Path'....

Postby AlienC » Fri Jan 26, 2007 4:12 pm

ohsherrie wrote:
AlienC wrote:I specifically remember the conversations about "it" with him.


So his voice was shot even before you left? :shock:

No, I remember the conversations we had regarding other acts using tracks, the personal perception issues revolving around monitoring the various signals.
“Madness is to hold an erroneous perception and argue perfectly from it.” Voltaire
The Hegelian Dialectic is in play. What do YOU do to insure it's failure?
User avatar
AlienC
45 RPM
 
Posts: 253
Joined: Wed Sep 18, 2002 3:58 pm
Location: ...somewhere along 'The Path'....

TO ALIENC

Postby Carlitto H@kk » Fri Jan 26, 2007 4:15 pm

Dude, in-between all the hysterical back-&-forth exchanges
of TNC and you, I posted this question I had...
Have any insight???


Carlitto H@kk wrote:Ok, I have been trying to weed thru all these comments,
and there are some really good ones aside from RokenBlowsville's rants,
and I am left with one burning question in regards to the
different mixes the band used and who 'really' knew how many
'canned tracks' were being used.

I truly believe the TG stuff and could really care less who is to blame.
I am just happy the band decided to finally part ways with
a singer whose touring endurance has been in question for years
and whose writing talents were medicore.
I apologize in advance if this is long but bear with me...

Some people have alluded to the idea that the rest of the
band wasn't aware of how much was "live" and how much
were the "canned tracks".
My question is in regards to the Band's Ear Monitors.
If the "canned tracks" were being used a majority of the time
then what was the rest of the band getting in their ear monitors?

1. They were all getting the same vocal feed that the PA's were pumping and
"honestly" thought that Augeri was nailing it night after night.

2. They were getting Augeri's actual "live" feed and somehow managed
to get thru each show with a straight face and were content to, in their beliefs,
allow their audiences to sit thru those horrendous performances.

3. They actually didn't have ANY lead vocals in their Ear Monitors and just
heard what they could from the PA's

Was it any of those 3 scenarios or was it something I hadn't thought of???

If it was the first then, sure, they all knew what was going on. There's no way
that they believed Augeri was sounding that good.
If it were the second scenario then these guys got some big balls being
content to give their fans that rubbish. And if it were the third, again,
I have to believe that they all knew what was up. Especially Deen...
You don't think that he was wondering who the new guy was sitting behind
him all night long???

Again, I could care less who knew. It was a bad call by a band that probably thought
they had no other alternative and knows that touring is their bread & butter.
Not to mention that, after all these yers, I'm sure they couldn't fathom
starting over at the time.

I'd be willing to wager that, if this all would've stayed hush-hush, this past summer's
tour with DL would've been Journey's last pending Perry and Smitty giving it
one more go-around.

Thank God Jeff stepped in when he did and lit a new fire under the Band and Management's
collective asses! You KNOW we have some killer material to look forward to when fuckin' Friga
is fired up and looking forward to getting back to the studio!

Thanks for your patience and I hope someone can answer for me :D
Last edited by Carlitto H@kk on Fri Jan 26, 2007 4:16 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Welcome to Terminus... You hungry?
User avatar
Carlitto H@kk
Stereo LP
 
Posts: 2891
Joined: Wed Aug 09, 2006 3:27 am
Location: Home & Well

Postby AlienC » Fri Jan 26, 2007 4:15 pm

Jeremey wrote:Paul Anka - What a guy! He cuts like a hammer....Did you ever get any of the famous "The band gets shirts!!" tirades, Allen?

Ahh geez, he's nothing but one big tirade. I can't bear to see that putz's mug. What a shmuck he is. And a complete insufferable prick. A typical glad-handing little prick.
Which is what I call myself when I have to go use the bathroom.... as in.... "Excuse me, I have to go let Paul Anka out." :lol:
“Madness is to hold an erroneous perception and argue perfectly from it.” Voltaire
The Hegelian Dialectic is in play. What do YOU do to insure it's failure?
User avatar
AlienC
45 RPM
 
Posts: 253
Joined: Wed Sep 18, 2002 3:58 pm
Location: ...somewhere along 'The Path'....

Re: TO ALIENC

Postby AlienC » Fri Jan 26, 2007 4:23 pm

Carlitto H@kk wrote:Dude, in-between all the hysterical back-&-forth exchanges
of TNC and you, I posted this question I had...
Have any insight???


Carlitto H@kk wrote:Ok, I have been trying to weed thru all these comments,
and there are some really good ones aside from RokenBlowsville's rants,
and I am left with one burning question in regards to the
different mixes the band used and who 'really' knew how many
'canned tracks' were being used.

I truly believe the TG stuff and could really care less who is to blame.
I am just happy the band decided to finally part ways with
a singer whose touring endurance has been in question for years
and whose writing talents were medicore.
I apologize in advance if this is long but bear with me...

Some people have alluded to the idea that the rest of the
band wasn't aware of how much was "live" and how much
were the "canned tracks".
My question is in regards to the Band's Ear Monitors.
If the "canned tracks" were being used a majority of the time
then what was the rest of the band getting in their ear monitors?

1. They were all getting the same vocal feed that the PA's were pumping and
"honestly" thought that Augeri was nailing it night after night.

2. They were getting Augeri's actual "live" feed and somehow managed
to get thru each show with a straight face and were content to, in their beliefs,
allow their audiences to sit thru those horrendous performances.

3. They actually didn't have ANY lead vocals in their Ear Monitors and just
heard what they could from the PA's


Was it any of those 3 scenarios or was it something I hadn't thought of???

If it was the first then, sure, they all knew what was going on. There's no way
that they believed Augeri was sounding that good.
If it were the second scenario then these guys got some big balls being
content to give their fans that rubbish. And if it were the third, again,
I have to believe that they all knew what was up. Especially Deen...
You don't think that he was wondering who the new guy was sitting behind
him all night long???

Again, I could care less who knew. It was a bad call by a band that probably thought
they had no other alternative and knows that touring is their bread & butter.
Not to mention that, after all these yers, I'm sure they couldn't fathom
starting over at the time.

I'd be willing to wager that, if this all would've stayed hush-hush, this past summer's
tour with DL would've been Journey's last pending Perry and Smitty giving it
one more go-around.

Thank God Jeff stepped in when he did and lit a new fire under the Band and Management's
collective asses! You KNOW we have some killer material to look forward to when fuckin' Friga
is fired up and looking forward to getting back to the studio!

Thanks for your patience and I hope someone can answer for me :D


See bolded part for most common scenario. The various mixes are all different, in terms of individual vocal levels. The main vocal for each person would be that person, individually and then whatever instrument mix they base their performance off , be it keys or guitar or whatever. The other vocals depend on what the song is, and who they are singing with / or in harmony with. Since they know the songs so well, the lead vocal is often wayyyy back in terms of relative levels.
Rarely does Lead Vocal take the #1 spot except in the LV's mons.

Look, there is no way they all weren't in on it. That just defies common sense.

It's like coke, once your friends start doing it, you're probably going to start doing it.
That's it.
I'm done.
Last edited by AlienC on Sat Jan 27, 2007 9:32 am, edited 1 time in total.
“Madness is to hold an erroneous perception and argue perfectly from it.” Voltaire
The Hegelian Dialectic is in play. What do YOU do to insure it's failure?
User avatar
AlienC
45 RPM
 
Posts: 253
Joined: Wed Sep 18, 2002 3:58 pm
Location: ...somewhere along 'The Path'....

Postby The_Noble_Cause » Sat Jan 27, 2007 2:56 am

AlienC wrote:I don't disagree with anything you've said here, save the blaming Steve the most. The blame is at the top, where it originated from.


So Steve doesn't possess free will, eh?
You make it sound like he was Neal and Jon's jailhouse bitch.
Next you'll tell me he had no choice but to allow them to use his mouth as a bird-bath; meritoriously dunking their respective applesacks during the course of each night's post-show festivities.

You are clearly a water-carrying apologist.

AlienC wrote:
Seems like you have your own disgruntlement issues to work out
Hope that works out for you.


Shouldn't you be getting on?
The local "Y" is set to close any minute and you've yet to secure your cot for the evening.
"I think we should all sue this women for depriving us of our God given right to go down with a clear mind, and good thoughts." - Stu, Consumate Pussy Eater
User avatar
The_Noble_Cause
Super Audio CD
 
Posts: 16055
Joined: Mon Oct 25, 2004 9:14 am
Location: Lake Titicaca

Postby Liquid_Drummer » Sat Jan 27, 2007 7:47 am

I think that Tom Jones should have sang the songs backstage while Augeri lipped out front. That would have been awesome !
User avatar
Liquid_Drummer
Cassette Tape
 
Posts: 1221
Joined: Wed Sep 06, 2006 4:44 am

Postby AlienC » Sat Jan 27, 2007 10:16 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote:So Steve doesn't possess free will, eh?
You make it sound like he was Neal and Jon's jailhouse bitch.
Next you'll tell me he had no choice but to allow them to use his mouth as a bird-bath; meritoriously dunking their respective applesacks during the course of each night's post-show festivities.

You are clearly a water-carrying apologist.


You are clearly disturbed.

AlienC wrote:Seems like you have your own disgruntlement issues to work out
Hope that works out for you.

The_Noble_Cause wrote: Shouldn't you be getting on?
The local "Y" is set to close any minute and you've yet to secure your cot for the evening.

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :lol: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Your retorts are exactly the sort of counter-strike, guttermouth personal attack reply that Andrew was referring to a few posts above.

And exactly the sort of bullshit that keeps people from interacting in this part of the site more than is the case.

You're obviously too emotionally embroiled in this for any further discussion.


But thanks for thinking about me and where I'll sleep, but I'm ok.......



I'll just sleep in your head. With the rest of your demons. :twisted:



I'll forget about you* just as quickly as I did before,

but you will never think about Journey without thinking of me, trashing your notions of sinister malfeasance calmly and factually while you squeal like the $hit $andwich eating so and so you are.

I hope that works out for you.




*( immature / insane/ psycho/ cyber-punk fans )
“Madness is to hold an erroneous perception and argue perfectly from it.” Voltaire
The Hegelian Dialectic is in play. What do YOU do to insure it's failure?
User avatar
AlienC
45 RPM
 
Posts: 253
Joined: Wed Sep 18, 2002 3:58 pm
Location: ...somewhere along 'The Path'....

Postby AR » Sun Jan 28, 2007 8:05 pm

Holy shit, I just read this.

Let's look at it this way:

Steve Perry was a freakish talent. Unreal. He got old and strange and likes to play with cats and says stupid things. God bless him.

Steve Augeri was a decent singer put in a crazy position. Erase 2005. Remember the dude for allowing drunks like me to sing Don't Stop Believing off key at ampitheaters for the last 8 years. :lol:

RockinDeano was right.

Without JSS - Journey would be DEAD. If you like the band, this is the best possible end to a strange situation

Stop bitching and just enjoy.
User avatar
AR
Digital Audio Tape
 
Posts: 8530
Joined: Sat Nov 26, 2005 10:21 am

Postby NealIsGod » Sun Jan 28, 2007 11:40 pm

AlienC wrote:And exactly the sort of bullshit that keeps people from interacting in this part of the site more than is the case.


I dunno about that. TNC and I have gone to battle a couple of times, but he is one of the few posters that I ALWAYS read when I see a post. Nobody can craft a post like Noble.
User avatar
NealIsGod
MP3
 
Posts: 12512
Joined: Tue Feb 15, 2005 2:20 am
Location: Back in Black

Postby JrnyScarab » Mon Jan 29, 2007 1:31 am

AR wrote:Holy shit, I just read this.

Let's look at it this way:

Steve Perry was a freakish talent. Unreal. He got old and strange and likes to play with cats and says stupid things. God bless him.

Steve Augeri was a decent singer put in a crazy position. Erase 2005. Remember the dude for allowing drunks like me to sing Don't Stop Believing off key at ampitheaters for the last 8 years. :lol:

RockinDeano was right.

Without JSS - Journey would be DEAD. If you like the band, this is the best possible end to a strange situation

Stop bitching and just enjoy.


Now THAT'S about as true as anything I've read about the situation. Concise and to the point. Nice Job AR.
User avatar
JrnyScarab
Cassette Tape
 
Posts: 1136
Joined: Thu Jul 27, 2006 12:19 am
Location: Merrimack, NH

Postby Blueskies » Mon Jan 29, 2007 1:51 am

AR wrote:Holy shit, I just read this.

Let's look at it this way:

Steve Perry was a freakish talent. Unreal. He got old and strange and likes to play with cats and says stupid things. God bless him.

Steve Augeri was a decent singer put in a crazy position. Erase 2005. Remember the dude for allowing drunks like me to sing Don't Stop Believing off key at ampitheaters for the last 8 years. :lol:

RockinDeano was right.

Without JSS - Journey would be DEAD. If you like the band, this is the best possible end to a strange situation

Stop bitching and just enjoy.
....you sure have a way of phrasing things, ED! :lol: ....but you make some valid points :wink: 8)
Blueskies
Digital Audio Tape
 
Posts: 9620
Joined: Sat Jul 15, 2006 6:09 am

Postby ohsherrie » Mon Jan 29, 2007 2:30 am

AR hits a homerun!! :D :D
User avatar
ohsherrie
Digital Audio Tape
 
Posts: 7601
Joined: Sat Jan 04, 2003 12:42 pm

Postby bionic » Mon Jan 29, 2007 3:42 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote:This was posted once before.
I'm glad you brought it up.
There is actually a line in this interview where Augeri thanks the fans for sticking with him through good nights and bad during the '05 tour. One of the few cases where the band can be witnessed actually covering up their fraud.

Knowing perfectly well it was the IDENTICAL pre-recorded vocal track being pumped out to the speakers nightly, Augeri went on to shamelessly say...

" listen this has been the craziest year we’ve done, and by the end of the tour which is December 12th I believe, we’ll have done 80 shows and this is just ludicrous. So, I have had my share of good nights and bad nights, and I thank the fans for sitting through, you know, sweating the bad nights out with me as well as the good nights."

Ross also mentioned that Augeri was doing a great job on the catalog during the taped Generations tour.
Neal, on the other hand, was smart enough to backpedal in his interviews.
Going so far as to say at one point "no, he isn't Steve Perry" in an interview leading up to the UK tour.



What really showed how bad his voice must have got is the fact that he could not even handle the Generations material live!
User avatar
bionic
LP
 
Posts: 510
Joined: Sat Jun 10, 2006 3:29 am
Location: London

Postby Red13JoePa » Mon Jan 29, 2007 5:12 am

NealIsGod wrote:
AlienC wrote:And exactly the sort of bullshit that keeps people from interacting in this part of the site more than is the case.


I dunno about that. TNC and I have gone to battle a couple of times, but he is one of the few posters that I ALWAYS read when I see a post. Nobody can craft a post like Noble.


I agree, I never pass over a TNC or Deano post without reading but to Allen's point, about INTERACTING, I think some lurkers/would-be posters might find them otherwise too intimidating to come in which is a shame and their loss b/c nothing said here can hurt unless ya allow it to.
"I love almost everybody."---Rocky Balboa 1990
"Let's reform this thing.Let's go out and get some guys who want to work and go do it"--Neal Schon February, 2001
"I looked at Neal, and I just saw a guy who really wants his band back"-JCain 2/01
Red13JoePa
MP3
 
Posts: 11646
Joined: Wed Jul 06, 2005 11:43 pm
Location: Happy Valley

Postby Red13JoePa » Mon Jan 29, 2007 5:14 am

bionic wrote:
The_Noble_Cause wrote:This was posted once before.
I'm glad you brought it up.
There is actually a line in this interview where Augeri thanks the fans for sticking with him through good nights and bad during the '05 tour. One of the few cases where the band can be witnessed actually covering up their fraud.

Knowing perfectly well it was the IDENTICAL pre-recorded vocal track being pumped out to the speakers nightly, Augeri went on to shamelessly say...

" listen this has been the craziest year we’ve done, and by the end of the tour which is December 12th I believe, we’ll have done 80 shows and this is just ludicrous. So, I have had my share of good nights and bad nights, and I thank the fans for sitting through, you know, sweating the bad nights out with me as well as the good nights."

Ross also mentioned that Augeri was doing a great job on the catalog during the taped Generations tour.
Neal, on the other hand, was smart enough to backpedal in his interviews.
Going so far as to say at one point "no, he isn't Steve Perry" in an interview leading up to the UK tour.





What really showed how bad his voice must have got is the fact that he could not even handle the Generations material live!



I'm not suprised about that at all.
The Augeri Generations vox are POWERHOUSE.
A vocalist limping on 1 spark plug is definately gonna struggle with that material in a live setting.
"I love almost everybody."---Rocky Balboa 1990
"Let's reform this thing.Let's go out and get some guys who want to work and go do it"--Neal Schon February, 2001
"I looked at Neal, and I just saw a guy who really wants his band back"-JCain 2/01
Red13JoePa
MP3
 
Posts: 11646
Joined: Wed Jul 06, 2005 11:43 pm
Location: Happy Valley

Postby AR » Mon Jan 29, 2007 5:17 am

Red13JoePa wrote:
NealIsGod wrote:
AlienC wrote:And exactly the sort of bullshit that keeps people from interacting in this part of the site more than is the case.


I dunno about that. TNC and I have gone to battle a couple of times, but he is one of the few posters that I ALWAYS read when I see a post. Nobody can craft a post like Noble.


I agree, I never pass over a TNC or Deano post without reading but to Allen's point, about INTERACTING, I think some lurkers/would-be posters might find them otherwise too intimidating to come in which is a shame and their loss b/c nothing said here can hurt unless ya allow it to.


There are plenty of interesting posters here. As said elsewhere, there are personalities unto themselves on this board. Dean and TNC certainly fall into that class. Some others as well, myself included I guess.

The point is, this board is fun. Not a bunch of whiney old hens on an endless bitchfest. And if there is news - you read it hear first.
User avatar
AR
Digital Audio Tape
 
Posts: 8530
Joined: Sat Nov 26, 2005 10:21 am

PreviousNext

Return to Journey

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 47 guests

cron