I Just Watched Behind The Music Again...

[Saint John]

and I have several observations:

1) Listen to Augeri's voice when he's interviewed. He sounds TOTALLY different now. Singing the catlaog really trashed his voice. I didn't even recognize his voice when he started talking. He actually sounded like a man from New York back then. My guess is he trashed his voice around 2001.
2) Somebody call Guinness. Deen's "It's Steve Perry with a perm" comment is the dumbest fuckin' thing any human being has ever muttered. Gotta be a world record.
3) Anytime Perry closes his eyes while he's speaking, he's fuckin' lying. I've noticed that in the past, too. One example that comes to mind is the TBF interview when the last thing he says, with his eyes closed, is something like "You'll see us on the road real soon." There are more, but I'm tired.
4) Herbert should have been re-hired after Perry was terminated. He would have NEVER allowed the band to replace Perry with The Gap's maintenace manager.

[Red13JoePa]

Top it all off with a GAP joke. Love it.

#2, I think I can hear appreciable differences too, betweeen his SPEAKING voice circa Behind The Music and the Generations EPK. Not huge, but there.


Perry does do the eye close thing during the show, and I thought camera angle on him, low and away to the right, with his head cocked like his neck was stiff was odd. I mean he was in that body attitude the whole time. Something wrong then?

That was the 1st time I'd seen him since TBF and I thought, "he finally aged."
Now, even though he looks older, he looks healthier than he did on that show.

[ohsherrie]

I took the eye closing and stiff posture on Steve's part to be discomfort with the whole thing. He and the band weren't getting along. They were blaming him for everything that ever went wrong when they were together and he was in a position to have to defend himself. On top of that, the BTM was being used by the band as a promo for the new lineup that Steve didn't agree with. The talk at the time was that VH1 wouldn't even have done it if Steve hadn't agreed to participate, and all Steve got out of it was a chance to tell his side of things. Then people raised hell because Steve insisted on some control over how much dirty laundry could be aired in it.

[Melissa]

When I watched that when it first aired years ago, I actually LMAO at the "Steve Perry with a perm" comment lol.

Gotta love Deen lol.

[ohsherrie]

When I watched that when it first aired years ago, I actually LMAO at the "Steve Perry with a perm" comment lol.

Gotta love Deen lol.

Since I've "gotten to know" Deen better that comment doesn't bother me as much as it did, but when I first heard it I was really put off by it. It didn't piss me off at Deen as much as I saw it as a reflection of the whole band's attitude and that just hit me as insulting.

[Melissa]

When I watched that when it first aired years ago, I actually LMAO at the "Steve Perry with a perm" comment lol.

Gotta love Deen lol.

Since I've "gotten to know" Deen better that comment doesn't bother me as much as it did, but when I first heard it I was really put off by it. It didn't piss me off at Deen as much as I saw it as a reflection of the whole band's attitude and that just hit me as insulting.

Yep, I can see the other side of that. I love SP but I was put off by some things he said in that too.

I just never really got into the Augeri-era, so that hit me as funny, lol.

[NealIsGod]

I think the "Perry with a Perm" thing was accurate in one respect. Not that Augeri was as good as Perry, but that when you were in the crowd and he came out and started singing Separate Ways, your jaw dropped. The people I was with at their show in VA on the first tour all agreed it was like they got a younger Perry. Granted, we were basing that on one show from lawn seats, but he still sounded great. As time has gone on, he had his own style. But the first impression was definitely Perryesque.

[Red13JoePa]

NIG's right and I think it's readilly apparent that Castronovo was referring to the fans' reaction.
He said when Augeri sings the first line of Sep Ways, always the opener then, "the reaction's the same every time. 'Oh my God it's Steve Perry w/ a perm.'"

Not sure where it implies that was the band's only intent

[AR]

I think the "Perry with a Perm" thing was accurate in one respect. Not that Augeri was as good as Perry, but that when you were in the crowd and he came out and started singing Separate Ways, your jaw dropped. The people I was with at their show in VA on the first tour all agreed it was like they got a younger Perry. Granted, we were basing that on one show from lawn seats, but he still sounded great. As time has gone on, he had his own style. But the first impression was definitely Perryesque.

Completely accurate statement along those lines. I talked a lot of people who were skeptical (myself included) to see the band in the 98-01 era. All of them said Augeri sounded "excactly like Perry"

Choke on that you fucking loons. Bwhahahahahahaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hey, I know that he wasn't in the same league, but to the average concert goer, your precious "voice" was easily replaced.

[Wally_Hatchet]

I think the "Perry with a Perm" thing was accurate in one respect. Not that Augeri was as good as Perry, but that when you were in the crowd and he came out and started singing Separate Ways, your jaw dropped. The people I was with at their show in VA on the first tour all agreed it was like they got a younger Perry. Granted, we were basing that on one show from lawn seats, but he still sounded great. As time has gone on, he had his own style. But the first impression was definitely Perryesque.

Agreed.

[Saint John]

Top it all off with a GAP joke. Love it.

#2, I think I can hear appreciable differences too, betweeen his SPEAKING voice circa Behind The Music and the Generations EPK. Not huge, but there.


Perry does do the eye close thing during the show, and I thought camera angle on him, low and away to the right, with his head cocked like his neck was stiff was odd. I mean he was in that body attitude the whole time. Something wrong then?

That was the 1st time I'd seen him since TBF and I thought, "he finally aged."
Now, even though he looks older, he looks healthier than he did on that show.

The "Gap joke" was actually a FACT. Furthermore, my point was that they needed a "big name"....something Augeri simply wasn't. We're talking about Journey man, not Dokken. I would kill to have what I think Augeri was making as a regional maintenence manager. It wasn't about THAT. It was about an established 25 year old band selecting someone no one had ever heard of.
Secondly, just listen to the clips they played. Augeri sounds NOTHING like Perry. He sounded good, but nowhere near Perry. While I heard a FEW people say that he sounded like Perry, most simply said "Hey that guy was pretty good."
Thirdly, just watched the TBF interview and Steve is as comfortable as can be laughing and smiling until he mutters those immortal words, (with his eyes closed) "There's a good possibility we're that gonna be on tour sometime this summer." Uhhhhhh, which summer?

[perryfaithful]

Thirdly, just watched the TBF interview and Steve is as comfortable as can be laughing and smiling until he mutters those immortal words, (with his eyes closed) "There's a good possibility we're that gonna be on tour sometime this summer." Uhhhhhh, which summer?

Have I blanked out on this?? I remember HEARING a TBF interview but not seeing one. Where can this be found?

Thanks!

[jrNY]

And let's not forget the people who swore that Augieri "looked" just like Perry. I will never understand that comment.

[Deb]

Thirdly, just watched the TBF interview and Steve is as comfortable as can be laughing and smiling until he mutters those immortal words, (with his eyes closed) "There's a good possibility we're that gonna be on tour sometime this summer." Uhhhhhh, which summer?

Have I blanked out on this?? I remember HEARING a TBF interview but not seeing one. Where can this be found?

Thanks!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERIl_Jt0DEE

[AR]

And let's not forget the people who swore that Augieri "looked" just like Perry. I will never understand that comment.

Well they both have huge noses.........

[larryfromnextdoor]

Thirdly, just watched the TBF interview and Steve is as comfortable as can be laughing and smiling until he mutters those immortal words, (with his eyes closed) "There's a good possibility we're that gonna be on tour sometime this summer." Uhhhhhh, which summer?

Have I blanked out on this?? I remember HEARING a TBF interview but not seeing one. Where can this be found?

Thanks!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERIl_Jt0DEE

uh , wow,, ive never seen that ,, the 2 guys perry fired are the most appreciative of his talent.. all class and respect at that time...

[WalrusOct9]

I think if Journey had toured smaller theaters when they started with Augeri, people would've noticed more that he wasn't Perry. Considering they went right into the crappy US amphhteaters, it probably did sound like Perry. Detroit's Pine Knob is the sole reason I've never seen Journey in concert...unless you're in the first 10 rows, that place sounds so bad, even a free ticket feels kind of expensive (given that the venue is in the middle of freaking nowhere).

[Abitaman]

I think if Journey had toured smaller theaters when they started with Augeri, people would've noticed more that he wasn't Perry. Considering they went right into the crappy US amphhteaters, it probably did sound like Perry. Detroit's Pine Knob is the sole reason I've never seen Journey in concert...unless you're in the first 10 rows, that place sounds so bad, even a free ticket feels kind of expensive (given that the venue is in the middle of freaking nowhere).

That is bad-ERIC

[Saint John]

Thirdly, just watched the TBF interview and Steve is as comfortable as can be laughing and smiling until he mutters those immortal words, (with his eyes closed) "There's a good possibility we're that gonna be on tour sometime this summer." Uhhhhhh, which summer?

Have I blanked out on this?? I remember HEARING a TBF interview but not seeing one. Where can this be found?

Thanks!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERIl_Jt0DEE

uh , wow,, ive never seen that ,, the 2 guys perry fired are the most appreciative of his talent.. all class and respect at that time...

Technically, Steve, Jon and Neal ALL fired Smitty and Ross. As a corporation, Steve only had one-fifth voting power. They allude to this in the BTM segment. But I understand what you mean. What were Neal and Jon to do? Perry had them hostage. They were probably afraid if they didn't fire them, Perry would bail. Also, with the type of money the TBF tour SHOULD'VE made, you're darn right they were going to say nice things about Perry, whether they meant them or not!!! Besides, his talent has NEVER been a question. Notice that they don't allude to what a great guy he was...they stick to talent and talent only when talking about him.

[Red13JoePa]

Class is an overused word, but Smitty definately exudes it and always has.
No wonder Deen Castronovo admires him so much.

[ohsherrie]

I think the "Perry with a Perm" thing was accurate in one respect. Not that Augeri was as good as Perry, but that when you were in the crowd and he came out and started singing Separate Ways, your jaw dropped. The people I was with at their show in VA on the first tour all agreed it was like they got a younger Perry. Granted, we were basing that on one show from lawn seats, but he still sounded great. As time has gone on, he had his own style. But the first impression was definitely Perryesque.

I understand all that now NIG, but at the time of the BTM I thought it was a blasphemous statement. I took it as if the band was saying Perry was just another singer and could be easily replaced. That didn't sit well with me. Now I think they know that he wasn't that easy to replace.

[ohsherrie]

Class is an overused word, but Smitty definately exudes it and always has.
No wonder Deen Castronovo admires him so much.

Yeah, from the interviews that I've seen and read Smitty undoubtedly seems like the nicest guy of all of them.

[Cougar1]

http://members.aol.com/reofans/index/Herbie_Herbert.html

[Saint John]

Wow, while I've never felt that Deen's drumming style meshes with Journey, I certainly wouldn't call him "the worst one of the bunch." He IS a great drummer. I just don't think he's right for Journey. I think in all his years in the music biz, Greg Rolie is the ONLY person Herbie HASN'T said something disparaging about. In his old age, he's really become bitter and fucked up. Shame...the dude was a tremendous manager.

[Red13JoePa]

No, DoubleH is not talking about Deen coming aboard in '98 he means Londin and the ROR sessions.


Why don't you think Deen meshes? He fully readilly Steve Smith's his biggest influence which was a big factor in him landing the BE and later Journey gigs.
I think he plays the new material with more power, harder-hitting than smitty which I love, but on the classic material he does the smitty/Londin parts to a t in his sleep.

[Saint John]

No, DoubleH is not talking about Deen coming aboard in '98 he means Londin and the ROR sessions.


Why don't you think Deen meshes? He fully readilly Steve Smith's his biggest influence which was a big factor in him landing the BE and later Journey gigs.
I think he plays the new material with more power, harder-hitting than smitty which I love, but on the classic material he does the smitty/Londin parts to a t in his sleep.

OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH. Thanks 13...boy do I feel like an ass. Anyway, I just haven't heard the technical perfection that Smith had. I miss his nuances and his fills. Deen seems more of a harder rock/metal drummer....which I love. Just not in Journey. Also, I think Deen is only somewhere between mediocre and good on ballads and mid tempos.

[ohsherrie]

No, DoubleH is not talking about Deen coming aboard in '98 he means Londin and the ROR sessions.

I thought that's what he meant but I wasn't sure enough to post it. Herbie wouldn't have been involved when they chose Deen.

[larryfromnextdoor]

i always thought he was speaking of Mike Baird.. londin was a technicle wiz...

[jrnyfan86]

Sounds like Herbie took a beating

[Rockindeano]

No, DoubleH is not talking about Deen coming aboard in '98 he means Londin and the ROR sessions.

Dude, he is speaking of that retard, Michael Baird, NOT Larrie Londin.