As if you need an example of WHY.....

[Carlitto H@kk]

Maybe he will. Maybe the whole fucking band can jump on board and start blasting the fans and everyone else who doesn't think they don't walk on water

I'd love to see that. That would be totally hysterical.

Shit, I'd considerate an HONOR if Neal, Jon, Ross or Deen
rolled in here and called me a fucking asswipe and told me to
get a life!!! I'd laugh my fucking balls off!!!

Dude, we already know you're an asswipe.

Yea, but you're just the "Little People!"
You piss-ants don't count!!!

[Blueskies]

This guy used to bleed on his fans and throw feces at them.

Then that would be the concert where you would be happy to be in the cheap seats!

[(Crazy)Dulce Lady]

No Carl- it is a different Allen/Alan.

I'm sorry--that was my fault. I wrote "Alan", instead of Allen.


dang teachers! Lula, I guess we are fired.

yay!!!!!!!

hey, I teach band! I only need to spell the title of the song.

[Rick]

This guy used to bleed on his fans and throw feces at them.

Who is that? Look at the tattoos! I'm thinkin' his Momma and Daddy are plenty proud!

[Blueskies]

you jugding someone just by their appearance and that they have tattoos?....That doesnt say what kind of person he is ......but the feces thing?...then you might have a point!

[AR]

This guy used to bleed on his fans and throw feces at them.

Who is that? Look at the tattoos! I'm thinkin' his Momma and Daddy are plenty proud!

GG Allin

He is very dead. Funny documentary on him called "Hated". Recommended viewing.

[Rick]

This guy used to bleed on his fans and throw feces at them.

Who is that? Look at the tattoos! I'm thinkin' his Momma and Daddy are plenty proud!

GG Allin

He is very dead. Funny documentary on him called "Hated". Recommended viewing.

Prolly bled to death!! Poor soul, the strain was more than he could bare.

[Crazie Scarab]

This guy used to bleed on his fans and throw feces at them.

Who is that? Look at the tattoos! I'm thinkin' his Momma and Daddy are plenty proud!

GG Allin

He is very dead. Funny documentary on him called "Hated". Recommended viewing.

Prolly bled to death!! Poor soul, the strain was more than he could bare.

By the looks of it, it was an aneurysm that took that dude out.

[AlienC]

For what it's worth, thanks for being your usual self, Allen. I'm sure you have a perfect record when it comes to being human..

Don't think the thinly veiled insult escaped notice.
You don't know me either so quite with the arrogant assumption that you do.
Let's talk about your record, whoever the fuck you are.
OH, you don't have one. Another armchair general.

For as long as you've hidden behind that handle of yours, and seeing as how you're such a good friend to address me in the familiar, why is it I don't know jack all about you?
It's because you're as insignificant asd you make me out to be. Despite the fact you're still thinking about me and how you'ld live my life differently.
You even fail to ID yourself in the PM's you sent me.

Come on, don't be shy.....
yeah, that's what I thought, take snide shots while hiding like a coward.

Your sarcasm falls on deaf ears because you have no accountability for your thoughts.

Your post shows how you CONTINUE to hold me to a higher standard than you place for yourself.

You can join the rest of the rabble here as far as I care.

[larryfromnextdoor]

rumor is GG killed himself on stage of a heroine overdose..his real name was Jesus Christ.. no foolin.. ,, watch that video with extreme caution ,, i accidentally caught some it at a friends , , ,, i didnt eat for a wee.... almost 4 hours.. still .. NASTY!!!!

[AlienC]

This guy used to bleed on his fans and throw feces at them.

Then that would be the concert where you would be happy to be in the cheap seats!

And committed suicide , too if I'm not mistaken.

[Crazie Scarab]

For what it's worth, thanks for being your usual self, Allen. I'm sure you have a perfect record when it comes to being human..

Don't think the thinly veiled insult escaped notice.
You don't know me either so quite with the arrogant assumption that you do.
Let's talk about your record, whoever the fuck you are.
OH, you don't have one. Another armchair general.

For as long as you've hidden behind that handle of yours, and seeing as how you're such a good friend to address me in the familiar, why is it I don't know jack all about you?
It's because you're as insignificant asd you make me out to be. Despite the fact you're still thinking about me and how you'ld live my life differently.
You even fail to ID yourself in the PM's you sent me.

Come on, don't be shy.....
yeah, that's what I thought, take snide shots while hiding like a coward.

Your sarcasm falls on deaf ears because you have no accountability for your thoughts.

Your post shows how you CONTINUE to hold me to a higher standard than you place for yourself.

You can join the rest of the rabble here as far as I care.

As much as you try, Allen, you will not break Journey. You have not the power to do so.

[larryfromnextdoor]

hold the horses everyone,, allen ,, just been over at the jss hate site,, is that you? is that necassary? what is the deal dude,,

[Blueskies]

Yeah....I just went and read there too! ....I'll second Larry.....What is the deal?...Whats with all the hating?

[AlienC]

Excuse my ignorance, but what did Allen do for the band?

I was a technician for Nocturne for 6 years (83 thru 89 ) and then came back and worked for Neal from '93 until 2002.
During that time I rebuilt, ran and managed his studio, equipment and from time to time, teched for other artists such as Todd Rundgren, Paul Rodgers, Ronnie Montrose, among others.
I worked and recorded Tracy Chapman at Neal's studio, Did guitars for Rancid at Fantasy, and a little known band at the time... Green Day.
I was Neal's personal assistant from 94 through 98 when the band started. I did construction projects for the band as needed from '93 on, and Rindell and I basically did the day to day work for Neal from his return from L A in 1994 after the Northridge Earthquake until we left in 2001 / 2002 respectively.
I also supervised the construction of a LARGE retaining wall in order to prevent the hillside Neal's house from eroding under the foundation. this was during the El nino floods of '95or was it '96....
Next year I installed a dual fuel back up generator for the whole house,
During TBF I ran the songwriting sessions, recording and compiling everything said and played in the studio from start to finish, daily.
managed the stringed instruments during the recording sessions. made lots of espresso's and lattes.
I was officially the Crew Chief and Lead Technician for Journey from 1998 until 2001
I recorded two independent projects with NEal, Electric World and Piranha Blues.
I assembled the items and inputted the data into the software for the rollout of JourneySwag. I was Internet Operations Manager in 2002 for the rolllout and then I melted down. just before the tour start. Thats when JourneyCat took over, poor lady.
A job like this WAS part administrative assistant, part tech, part babysitter, part "drinking" buddy, part EMT.

I have no idea what it's like today.


Basically, kept the gear running, inventoried, shipped, strung, cleaned and operable, as well as kicking the cash flow meter from "out" to "in'.



You know, the normal stuff like any other business.

[Cate]

For what it's worth, thanks for being your usual self, Allen. I'm sure you have a perfect record when it comes to being human..

Don't think the thinly veiled insult escaped notice.
You don't know me either so quite with the arrogant assumption that you do.
Let's talk about your record, whoever the fuck you are.
OH, you don't have one. Another armchair general.

For as long as you've hidden behind that handle of yours, and seeing as how you're such a good friend to address me in the familiar, why is it I don't know jack all about you?
It's because you're as insignificant asd you make me out to be. Despite the fact you're still thinking about me and how you'ld live my life differently.
You even fail to ID yourself in the PM's you sent me.

Come on, don't be shy.....
yeah, that's what I thought, take snide shots while hiding like a coward.

Your sarcasm falls on deaf ears because you have no accountability for your thoughts.

Your post shows how you CONTINUE to hold me to a higher standard than you place for yourself.

You can join the rest of the rabble here as far as I care.

As much as you try, Allen, you will not break Journey. You have not the power to do so.

Gee, I see nowhere in his posts where is trying to "break" Journey. Just because his is not kissing Neal's ass does not make him the bad guy. The couple who have posted that it is in bad taste to discuss Neal's divorce, both confirmed it in their responses instead of ignoring the question.

[Vladan]

Excuse my ignorance, but what did Allen do for the band?

I was a technician for Nocturne for 6 years (83 thru 89 ) and then came back and worked for Neal from '93 until 2002.
During that time I rebuilt, ran and managed his studio, equipment and from time to time, teched for other artists such as Todd Rundgren, Paul Rodgers, Ronnie Montrose, among others.
I worked and recorded Tracy Chapman at Neal's studio, Did guitars for Rancid at Fantasy, and a little known band at the time... Green Day.
I was Neal's personal assistant from 94 through 98 when the band started. I did construction projects for the band as needed from '93 on, and Rindell and I basically did the day to day work for Neal from his return from L A in 1994 after the Northridge Earthquake until we left in 2001 / 2002 respectively.
I also supervised the construction of a LARGE retaining wall in order to prevent the hillside Neal's house from eroding under the foundation. this was during the El nino floods of '95or was it '96....
Next year I installed a dual fuel back up generator for the whole house,
During TBF I ran the songwriting sessions, recording and compiling everything said and played in the studio from start to finish, daily.
managed the stringed instruments during the recording sessions. made lots of espresso's and lattes.
I was officially the Crew Chief and Lead Technician for Journey from 1998 until 2001
I recorded two independent projects with NEal, Electric World and Piranha Blues.
I assembled the items and inputted the data into the software for the rollout of JourneySwag. I was Internet Operations Manager in 2002 for the rolllout and then I melted down. just before the tour start. Thats when JourneyCat took over, poor lady.
A job like this WAS part administrative assistant, part tech, part babysitter, part "drinking" buddy, part EMT.

I have no idea what it's like today.


Basically, kept the gear running, inventoried, shipped, strung, cleaned and operable, as well as kicking the cash flow meter from "out" to "in'.



You know, the normal stuff like any other business.

Yeah nice one. Seems like you been keeping busy no doubt. What happend? are you going back to work for Neal, or you had enough?.

[AlienC]

As much as you try, Allen, you will not break Journey. You have not the power to do so.

wHERe did you come u with that nonsense?

Another fabrication from the Bullshit Squad.

[AlienC]

Yeah nice one. Seems like you been keeping busy no doubt. What happend? are you going back to work for Neal, or you had enough?.

I had enough of the new mangelment's style. And they had had enough of my old school style.

I have retired from the music business in the touring sense. Among other diversions, I teach music and media locally to young teens.

[Andrew]

Fair call Allen.

[Skylorde]

Wow, Ed!...Fantastic post!!.... even if your posting a little tongue in cheek I presume.....still, a very real, relevant , and sadly, but true, explaination of the present situation. Great job! Cool

http://www.thecomingoftan.com/read/the~ ... ril05.html

Perhaps there should have been a credit attached to that reply?

[Crazie Scarab]

As much as you try, Allen, you will not break Journey. You have not the power to do so.

wHERe did you come u with that nonsense?

Another fabrication from the Bullshit Squad.

Please then, Allen, do tell what your motives are?

BTW.. You know who I am. I talked with you on the phone on a couple occasions and I've been at BT since 2001. You never answered my PM's. Why are you so damned angry, Allen? Fuck! I don't hold you or anyone to higher standards as I do myself. What the fuck is that all about? You were the one blowing shit out about Neal. Are you happy now that you got that off your chest? Jeez, man! I come here to relax and shit like this makes it so not worth the time anymore. Maybe I'll just lurk from now fucking on.

Brian

[(Crazy)Dulce Lady]

http://www.frontiernet.net/~shelby304/s ... eettators/

[AlienC]

hold the horses everyone,, allen ,, just been over at the jss hate site,, is that you? is that necassary? what is the deal dude,,

I don't have any feeling one way or the other towards Jeff Scott Soto. His position in the band is a progression of events that I feel should have been initiated years ago. BUt that in no way changes my personal feelings about Steve Augeri. He's unfairly singled out by some, far too harshly, imo and some to an extremeas the sole recipient
If the various boards are any indication he does a credible job and has his own flavor. I'm curious, but not going to get silly about it. When it's time to hear, I'll hear it.
As for WHY am I over there? For one I have a personal connection with the principals of that site. In fact, one could say they propped me up in what I was doing , tech -wise.
Skye opened his home to me and was more than patient with educating a relative IT n00b that I was, when i was sent to "visit" him by the PTB at journey Inc.
Frank I only met once in New York, but the same holds for him as well.

A teacher / student thing.

Now, if you want to examine the bite marks on my ass today from Crazy Scarab, et al over the weekend, perhaps you can see why I might just feel a little "safer" over there.
At least I don't have to go in there all bowed up, ready for bear as the case might be like I do here.

This place is like a restaurant with a great menu, but a couple of surly regulars that sit at the counter. No matter how good the food is, just dealing with them is a pita and finally, why bother when there's a perfectly good restaurant around the corner with a different set of windbags to deal with. But, it also shows there is a customer for every shop.

[Crazie Scarab]

hold the horses everyone,, allen ,, just been over at the jss hate site,, is that you? is that necassary? what is the deal dude,,

I don't have any feeling one way or the other towards Jeff Scott Soto. His position in the band is a progression of events that I feel should have been initiated years ago. BUt that in no way changes my personal feelings about Steve Augeri. He's unfairly singled out by some, far too harshly, imo and some to an extremeas the sole recipient
If the various boards are any indication he does a credible job and has his own flavor. I'm curious, but not going to get silly about it. When it's time to hear, I'll hear it.
As for WHY am I over there? For one I have a personal connection with the principals of that site. In fact, one could say they propped me up in what I was doing , tech -wise.
Skye opened his home to me and was more than patient with educating a relative IT n00b that I was, when i was sent to "visit" him by the PTB at journey Inc.
Frank I only met once in New York, but the same holds for him as well.

A teacher / student thing.

Now, if you want to examine the bite marks on my ass today from Crazy Scarab, et al over the weekend, perhaps you can see why I might just feel a little "safer" over there.
At least I don't have to go in there all bowed up, ready for bear as the case might be like I do here.

This place is like a restaurant with a great menu, but a couple of surly regulars that sit at the counter. No matter how good the food is, just dealing with them is a pita and finally, why bother when there's a perfectly good restaurant around the corner with a different set of windbags to deal with. But, it also shows there is a customer for every shop.

Perty funny. . I love you, too, Allen!

[AlienC]

As much as you try, Allen, you will not break Journey. You have not the power to do so.

wHERe did you come u with that nonsense?

Another fabrication from the Bullshit Squad.

Please then, Allen, do tell what your motives are?

BTW.. You know who I am. I talked with you on the phone on a couple occasions and I've been at BT since 2001. You never answered my PM's. Why are you so damned angry, Allen? Fuck! I don't hold you or anyone to higher standards as I do myself. What the fuck is that all about? You were the one blowing shit out about Neal. Are you happy now that you got that off your chest? Jeez, man! I come here to relax and shit like this makes it so not worth the time anymore. Maybe I'll just lurk from now fucking on.

Brian

Brian , thank you, It's been so long since we've spoken, do you think it reasonable for me to remember you after all this time? You never write, I get no cards, no calls, whats a boy to think??? I think you just wanted "it", you know what I mean ?
As far as answering the PM, I wasn't sure what to say in reply. As I have stated, I have a life that precludes as much time as I've given lately , so I apologize if you thought I was slighting you. It simply slipped through the cracks.

As for my short fuse, think maybe having TNC, et al ride my ass all weekend might have a little something to do with it?

I'm sorry for kicking you in the nuts when all you needed was a bitch slap. JUST KIDDING.....

My motives are no motives.
I was drawn to this about Tape-Gate and I've stayed to watch them bring the bodies out, to confuse a metaphor.
I attracted some hornets when I stuck up for SA as not having as much to say as some would ascribe to him as far as what goes on regarding the tapes.
He's caught between the proverbial rock and hard place and is truly damned if he does and if he doesn't as well.
Finally, Neal and Ross deny it and now anything I contributed as far as technical capability and explaining how it would work, is strictly academic.

Lately, I've just been sparring with the local Crocodiles and trying to not go to the dark place again.

Sorry dude, this dog had just been kicked once too often.
no hard feelings, ok?

[AlienC]

Doesn't anyone else think that it's pretty darn low to say things like that about Neal on an internet message board? I cringed all the way through that post, so unnecessary... You would think there would be SOME loyalty to the co. that employed him for 20 years and gave him several acres or whatever in several states, and stills, and gazillions of dollars, etc., etc. Gee whiz, everybody says don't take the forum seriously, but dang, if somebody wrote stuff like that about me, it would hurt, seriously.

Seems very wrong, very wrong indeed.

I agree and this is what can leave the disgruntled impression. The personal comments about Neal are wrong, imo. I imagine this helps keep the ego inflated and the ant-Journey folks bowing at his feet.

Lula, with all due respect, I'm really not anti-Neal. I am grateful for everything that my time with him has blessed me with.
I don't dislike "him" , but more to the point, I dislike some of the choices and decisions he's made.
Which I am criticizing, but that in no way means I dislike him in total.

My comments about Neal's behaviors are not new, in fact, they are legendary, industry wide, nor are they false. There is one he is particularly proud of, and even I, a crusty old roadie, am still taken aback.
I'm surprised, if you and yours have been in as close proximity as has been alleged that you haven't seen this sort of thing yet. Give it time, you will. A Vegas / Fla / NY show is usually good for some debauchery.
The dirty laundry patrol is something I really have no interest in. I find those sort of things sad and it pains me to hear of them, for I know someone is getting a raw deal because of it. I don't watch Spriger, and The Congressional Sex Scandals always cause me to think" Why can't they just get a motel room, like every other self respecting pervert?"

Seriously, has anyone taken the time to interpret the Latin phrase in my sig? It is there to remind me that it holds for all of us.

[Crazie Scarab]

As much as you try, Allen, you will not break Journey. You have not the power to do so.

wHERe did you come u with that nonsense?

Another fabrication from the Bullshit Squad.

Please then, Allen, do tell what your motives are?

BTW.. You know who I am. I talked with you on the phone on a couple occasions and I've been at BT since 2001. You never answered my PM's. Why are you so damned angry, Allen? Fuck! I don't hold you or anyone to higher standards as I do myself. What the fuck is that all about? You were the one blowing shit out about Neal. Are you happy now that you got that off your chest? Jeez, man! I come here to relax and shit like this makes it so not worth the time anymore. Maybe I'll just lurk from now fucking on.

Brian

Brian , thank you, It's been so long since we've spoken, do you think it reasonable for me to remember you after all this time? You never write, I get no cards, no calls, whats a boy to think??? I think you just wanted "it", you know what I mean ?
As far as answering the PM, I wasn't sure what to say in reply. As I have stated, I have a life that precludes as much time as I've given lately , so I apologize if you thought I was slighting you. It simply slipped through the cracks.

As for my short fuse, think maybe having TNC, et al ride my ass all weekend might have a little something to do with it?

I'm sorry for kicking you in the nuts when all you needed was a bitch slap. JUST KIDDING.....

My motives are no motives.
I was drawn to this about Tape-Gate and I've stayed to watch them bring the bodies out, to confuse a metaphor.
I attracted some hornets when I stuck up for SA as not having as much to say as some would ascribe to him as far as what goes on regarding the tapes.
He's caught between the proverbial rock and hard place and is truly damned if he does and if he doesn't as well.
Finally, Neal and Ross deny it and now anything I contributed as far as technical capability and explaining how it would work, is strictly academic.

Lately, I've just been sparring with the local Crocodiles and trying to not go to the dark place again.

Sorry dude, this dog had just been kicked once too often.
no hard feelings, ok?

Hey! No problemo, Allen.. TNC? I missed the weekend junket, so I apologise for not understanding what was going on.

[AR]

Wow, Ed!...Fantastic post!!.... even if your posting a little tongue in cheek I presume.....still, a very real, relevant , and sadly, but true, explaination of the present situation. Great job! Cool

http://www.thecomingoftan.com/read/the~ ... ril05.html

Perhaps there should have been a credit attached to that reply?

There already was credit in another thread. Even posted the link to the Riley Martin drinking game. Perhaps you should worry about policing your own house? You got enough problems from what I can see (with people accusing others of being drug addicts and all) rather than worrying about whether I credited Riley Martin's bizarre ramblings or not.

[Carlitto H@kk]

Perhaps you should worry about policing your own house? You got enough problems from what I can see (with people accusing others of being drug addicts and all) rather than worrying about whether I credited Riley Martin's bizarre ramblings or not.

BAWHAAAAAHAAAAHAAAHAAAHAAAHAA!!!

Isn't that the truth