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[(Crazy)Dulce Lady]

Agree or disagree: People who keep harping on getting the "classic" line-ups of their favorite bands back together are inherently unhappy with their own present day lives. In their minds, continuously discussing such a reunion keeps them from facing the fact that life is always changing and nothing lasts forever.

Discuss.

Yes. That's why I find it sad that JSS is talking about "reuniting" with their Infinity/Evolution music..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7jr9WBDVXQ


what's wrong with the Evolution era??? ahh. the white bell bottom videos. Hey Jeff!! are you guys gonna wear white bell bottoms in Florida? Suddenly, that boxer/brief (or not!) reference is scaring the snot out of me!! but I'm in row O. phew.....

sorry. hijack over.

I would enjoy the '78-'82 era revisit, however, all the while looking ahead to new!

[lights1961]

Agree or disagree: People who keep harping on getting the "classic" line-ups of their favorite bands back together are inherently unhappy with their own present day lives. In their minds, continuously discussing such a reunion keeps them from facing the fact that life is always changing and nothing lasts forever.

Discuss.

Yes. That's why I find it sad that JSS is talking about "reuniting" with their Infinity/Evolution music..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7jr9WBDVXQ


what's wrong with the Evolution era??? ahh. the white bell bottom videos. Hey Jeff!! are you guys gonna wear white bell bottoms in Florida? Suddenly, that boxer/brief (or not!) reference is scaring the snot out of me!! but I'm in row O. phew.....

sorry. hijack over.

I would enjoy the '78-'82 era revisit, however, all the while looking ahead to new!

awesome. more infinty, evolution, deparute, less esacpe PLEASE!!!

[Matthew]

I don't mean people who simply prefer their favorite lineup over the current day's. I am talking about people who doggedly repeat the same mantra over and over, no matter how fruitless, while totally writing off anything new.

I think they'd either be the ones that connect the music to a happier time in their lives, or have an unhealthy crush on a particular member, or both, which means they should probably seek councelling.

True enough Sherrie - but it's also about standards too though, isn't it? It's understandable why many people feel that the only option available for the band to restore their reputation and success is to reunite the song-writing team which set the standards in the first place. Sure, it'll never happen - but most Journey fans would still want Perry/Schon/Cain to work together again. There's nothing that weird or dysfunctional about that.

So far Journey haven't shown that they can move on successfully. Maybe JSS will finally make the difference but we're going on faith - and not reality - at the moment.

[fredinator]

It would be awesome if they play something off of Infinity--I have a small clip of JSS singing a part of Daydream and he sounded really, really good on it and he seemed to like it very much, too.

[Matthew]

I don't mean people who simply prefer their favorite lineup over the current day's. I am talking about people who doggedly repeat the same mantra over and over, no matter how fruitless, while totally writing off anything new.

NIG - doesn't the current band itself doggedly repeat the same set-list over and over...from the classic line-up? You talk as though Journey are blazing into the future and that it is only the fans fixated on the past who can't embrace it.

But let's be honest - all we're talking about is Journey playing the same songs from 1981-83 with a new singer.

Do you feel that Journey themselves are creating nostalgia because they're escaping fom a grim present into a glorious past? Is Neal depressed?

I guess my point is that the band are just as conservative and backward-looking as the most hardened Loon.

[(Crazy)Dulce Lady]

I don't mean people who simply prefer their favorite lineup over the current day's. I am talking about people who doggedly repeat the same mantra over and over, no matter how fruitless, while totally writing off anything new.

NIG - doesn't the current band itself doggedly repeat the same set-list over and over...from the classic line-up? You talk as though Journey are blazing into the future and that it is only the fans fixated on the past who can't embrace it.

But let's be honest - all we're talking about is Journey playing the same songs from 1981-83 with a new singer.

Do you feel that Journey themselves are creating nostalgia because they're escaping fom a grim present into a glorious past? Is Neal depressed?

I guess my point is that the band are just as conservative and backward-looking as the most hardened Loon.

well, they have phone bills to pay, too. we all take the job with the highest salary-why wouldn't they? i think they can do both. nostalgia, and look into the future.

[NealIsGod]

I don't mean people who simply prefer their favorite lineup over the current day's. I am talking about people who doggedly repeat the same mantra over and over, no matter how fruitless, while totally writing off anything new.

NIG - doesn't the current band itself doggedly repeat the same set-list over and over...from the classic line-up? You talk as though Journey are blazing into the future and that it is only the fans fixated on the past who can't embrace it.

But let's be honest - all we're talking about is Journey playing the same songs from 1981-83 with a new singer.

Do you feel that Journey themselves are creating nostalgia because they're escaping fom a grim present into a glorious past? Is Neal depressed?

I guess my point is that the band are just as conservative and backward-looking as the most hardened Loon.

Good post. I know what you mean, but that's just being a band that was popular in the 80's. They have to cater to the crowds. I am much more into new music than boots. I spin Arrival and Gens much more than any boots I have. Journey has promised a new CD with JSS, and that is moving forward to me.

[Behshad]

Yknow NIG, I kind of have to disagree with you on your topic starter:)

Back in 1986 when my favorite band Europe was getting the biggest attention and becoming as famous as they did, John Norum left the band. I was devestated and couldnt belive he would do such a thing right when things are going the right direction for him and the band,,, I didnt think Europe could even continue without him,,, well they did,, till 1991 when they officially called it quits.... and I would wonder if they would ever reunite,,, I would give anything just to see them perform,, even without Norum,,,,

Millenium night, Europe decided to reunite for ONE night , performing The Final Countdown right before midnite, in front of 700.000 people, oustide in a COLD Stockholm..... It was amazing to see them perform better than ever..... and to make a story short, the whole thing led into the band talkin about jamming and the classic line up released a kick ass album "Start From The Dark" in 2004 ,,,, it was a dream come true to go to House Of Blues in Cleveland and see the classic line up of Europe I grew up listening to, perform songs from all their 6 albums.
And now they just released yet another album(Secret Socitey) and I cant wait to go see them again this summer when they hopefully come out.


Sorry if I bored you with my story, but my point is , sometimes those dreams and hopes that seem so farfetched, may actually become reality some day .....


PS! Did you guys know that Joey Tempest the singer of Europe has always been influenced and a fan of Journey,,,, There's also a song on the new cd that he wrote about Journey !

[JrnyScarab]

Yknow NIG, I kind of have to disagree with you on your topic starter:)

Back in 1986 when my favorite band Europe was getting the biggest attention and becoming as famous as they did, John Norum left the band. I was devestated and couldnt belive he would do such a thing right when things are going the right direction for him and the band,,, I didnt think Europe could even continue without him,,, well they did,, till 1991 when they officially called it quits.... and I would wonder if they would ever reunite,,, I would give anything just to see them perform,, even without Norum,,,,

Millenium night, Europe decided to reunite for ONE night , performing The Final Countdown right before midnite, in front of 700.000 people, oustide in a COLD Stockholm..... It was amazing to see them perform better than ever..... and to make a story short, the whole thing led into the band talkin about jamming and the classic line up released a kick ass album "Start From The Dark" in 2004 ,,,, it was a dream come true to go to House Of Blues in Cleveland and see the classic line up of Europe I grew up listening to, perform songs from all their 6 albums.
And now they just released yet another album(Secret Socitey) and I cant wait to go see them again this summer when they hopefully come out.


Sorry if I bored you with my story, but my point is , sometimes those dreams and hopes that seem so farfetched, may actually become reality some day .....


PS! Did you guys know that Joey Tempest the singer of Europe has always been influenced and a fan of Journey,,,, There's also a song on the new cd that he wrote about Journey !

Beshad, I just listened to the new Europe CD the other day and I have to say I really like it a lot. A little harder edge than the old stuff but that's OK with me as it's melodic enough as well.

[fightingilliniJRNY]

You are going to Florida?

Wait til you hear what they are going to play. You might feel like you are in '78-'82 window again

I hope the tape (or video) recorders will be rolling...

[ohsherrie]

I don't mean people who simply prefer their favorite lineup over the current day's. I am talking about people who doggedly repeat the same mantra over and over, no matter how fruitless, while totally writing off anything new.

I think they'd either be the ones that connect the music to a happier time in their lives, or have an unhealthy crush on a particular member, or both, which means they should probably seek councelling.

True enough Sherrie - but it's also about standards too though, isn't it? It's understandable why many people feel that the only option available for the band to restore their reputation and success is to reunite the song-writing team which set the standards in the first place. Sure, it'll never happen - but most Journey fans would still want Perry/Schon/Cain to work together again. There's nothing that weird or dysfunctional about that.

So far Journey haven't shown that they can move on successfully. Maybe JSS will finally make the difference but we're going on faith - and not reality - at the moment.

It's absolutely about musical standards Matt. That's why I never thought the lineup with Augeri measured up. Arrival and some songs on Generations sounded very good to me, but not Journey good as compared to Perry/Journey. There isn't anything dysfunctional about it at all. It's being a discriminating music lover.

I took NIG's question to be about people who just don't want anything to do with a new lineup because it wasn't the original lineup, regardless of merit.

[NealIsGod]

Yknow NIG, I kind of have to disagree with you on your topic starter:)

Back in 1986 when my favorite band Europe was getting the biggest attention and becoming as famous as they did, John Norum left the band. I was devestated and couldnt belive he would do such a thing right when things are going the right direction for him and the band,,, I didnt think Europe could even continue without him,,, well they did,, till 1991 when they officially called it quits.... and I would wonder if they would ever reunite,,, I would give anything just to see them perform,, even without Norum,,,,

Millenium night, Europe decided to reunite for ONE night , performing The Final Countdown right before midnite, in front of 700.000 people, oustide in a COLD Stockholm..... It was amazing to see them perform better than ever..... and to make a story short, the whole thing led into the band talkin about jamming and the classic line up released a kick ass album "Start From The Dark" in 2004 ,,,, it was a dream come true to go to House Of Blues in Cleveland and see the classic line up of Europe I grew up listening to, perform songs from all their 6 albums.
And now they just released yet another album(Secret Socitey) and I cant wait to go see them again this summer when they hopefully come out.


Sorry if I bored you with my story, but my point is , sometimes those dreams and hopes that seem so farfetched, may actually become reality some day .....


PS! Did you guys know that Joey Tempest the singer of Europe has always been influenced and a fan of Journey,,,, There's also a song on the new cd that he wrote about Journey !

Yeah, somebody posted about that song the other day. I think it was Shania.

That's a great story, Beshad. But did you continuously bash Europe without Norum after he left the band? Did you tell anyone who would listen, and many who didn't care, how Europe sucks now and the only true Europe is with Norum? That's the kind of "fan" I am talking about.

[tammy]

do you remember a star trek where spock was going back to his home planet to hook up with a hot vulkcan chick,, the entire show was about him anticipating it,, so when he gets back kirk asks him how it go... spock stated that the want and desire was much better than actually recieving the real thing.. he built it up to be bigger than it was... i think we are all better off dreaming about the classic lineup...

That makes sense. In our minds we create the perfect scenario, but what would reality actually be like? Would it be better to keep it "grand" in our memories, than be disappointed?

Obviously, every person is different...I know when I stumbled upon Journey/SP again (this was after 20 yrs of not even hearing, seeing or thinking about them) - my first thought was, "I don't want to go BACK there" "besides, the music is dated" so I wasn't gonna buy the GH DVD. Something bigger compelled me & I was hooked from then on. Since, I did only know Steve Perry (didn't know the other guys names) of course, I wished to see him again, but I know that is impossible, so I accept it. Things change, times change, people change.

This thread is making me think of people that you see who tend to "not change" certain things. Sometimes, I see older women with hairdos from the 60s & blue eye shadow, driving older cars...they look like they've been preserved in that time period, yet they are older. I actually like that. So, it is cool if people don't move along with changes, makes things interesting, interesting things to see.

[Behshad]

Yknow NIG, I kind of have to disagree with you on your topic starter:)

Back in 1986 when my favorite band Europe was getting the biggest attention and becoming as famous as they did, John Norum left the band. I was devestated and couldnt belive he would do such a thing right when things are going the right direction for him and the band,,, I didnt think Europe could even continue without him,,, well they did,, till 1991 when they officially called it quits.... and I would wonder if they would ever reunite,,, I would give anything just to see them perform,, even without Norum,,,,

Millenium night, Europe decided to reunite for ONE night , performing The Final Countdown right before midnite, in front of 700.000 people, oustide in a COLD Stockholm..... It was amazing to see them perform better than ever..... and to make a story short, the whole thing led into the band talkin about jamming and the classic line up released a kick ass album "Start From The Dark" in 2004 ,,,, it was a dream come true to go to House Of Blues in Cleveland and see the classic line up of Europe I grew up listening to, perform songs from all their 6 albums.
And now they just released yet another album(Secret Socitey) and I cant wait to go see them again this summer when they hopefully come out.


Sorry if I bored you with my story, but my point is , sometimes those dreams and hopes that seem so farfetched, may actually become reality some day .....


PS! Did you guys know that Joey Tempest the singer of Europe has always been influenced and a fan of Journey,,,, There's also a song on the new cd that he wrote about Journey !

Yeah, somebody posted about that song the other day. I think it was Shania.

That's a great story, Beshad. But did you continuously bash Europe without Norum after he left the band? Did you tell anyone who would listen, and many who didn't care, how Europe sucks now and the only true Europe is with Norum? That's the kind of stuff I am talking about.

In the beginin I was skeptical,,, I didnt think anyone could fill Norum's shoes,,,, but I didnt bash the band ,,, I gave them a fair chance to see what they could do,,, Once I seen Marcello playing as good as Norum, I was sold,,,,
During the 25 years Europe has been played on and off, they performed ONCE with both Norum and Marcello and that was the New years eve....

Here's the lyrics for that Europe song

A voice that fly and is broken just the same, you spin this life around
You bring me where some heart and soul remain from a cold cold place in time

(and you sing) I, I just know how you make me feel
You take it all the way you send me all the way
Oh I, I just know where I want to be, forever wandering, forever travelling

A voice that cry but I'm smiling just the same, you show me where to look
I was skin and bones just circling the sun, one glimpse was all it took

(and you sang) I, I just know how you make me feel
You take it all the way, you send me all the way
Oh I, I just know where I want to be, forever wandering, forever travelling

Somewhere in my mind I'm under the golden gate
Somewhere in my heart I'm in the city by the bay
Sometimes I can feel the wheel in the sky it's still turning

I, I just know how you make me feel
You take it all the way, you send me all the way
Oh I, I just know where I want to be, forever wandering, forever travelling

[ohsosoto]

Agree or disagree: People who keep harping on getting the "classic" line-ups of their favorite bands back together are inherently unhappy with their own present day lives. In their minds, continuously discussing such a reunion keeps them from facing the fact that life is always changing and nothing lasts forever.

Discuss.

there are so many changes in our lives every day.... we just want somethings to remain a constant. that is the only thing we may have "control over" we cannot change our grown children's decisions, our workplace, our day to day life issues, but we can ALWAYS want to remember the classics,
because they will never CHANGE!!!!! and that keeps us young at heart.

[AR]

Marriages between two people can't last and some pyschotic 30 and 40 somethings think a room full of 4 to 6 egotistical musicians can?

Dumb asses. Just enjoy the music and choose to support or not whatever version of a veteran band is touring.

Your choice. Just go or not go, but don't bitch either way. It's just music.

[AlienC]

Marriages between two people can't last and some pyschotic 30 and 40 somethings think a room full of 4 to 6 egotistical musicians can?

Dumb asses. Just enjoy the music and choose to support or not whatever version of a veteran band is touring.

Your choice. Just go or not go, but don't bitch either way. It's just music.

Quoted
For
Truth.


To the question at hand..... answering strictly as the question was posed....... memories are an interesting thing. They can be cued by a variety of stimuli, but those associated with smells and sound are especially powerful. Memories are so closely tied with emotions that when coupled with the stimuli mentioned, the effect can be a powerful reality disconnect.
This is evidenced by the many times, even as recently as this summer, where someone has related overhearing someone think the current -era vocalist (either StevieA OR Jeff Soto) was actually SteveP. This just shows how people can totally disregard who is in front of them and "see" who they want to see.

I'll never forget watching the crowd leave after a show and overhearing a couple talk about how good Steve Perry was that night..... to0 bad it was the other Steve.

Certain smells out in our barn remind me of hanging with my great grandfather, 45 years ago, but they seem so fresh like yesterday.

We are interesting creatures for sure.

[L~L~L]

I'm very much happy with my present life. I just happen to know good music when I hear it.

[Voyager]

Agree or disagree: People who keep harping on getting the "classic" line-ups of their favorite bands back together are inherently unhappy with their own present day lives. In their minds, continuously discussing such a reunion keeps them from facing the fact that life is always changing and nothing lasts forever.

Discuss.

Personally, NIG, I believe it is more like a guy who wants a classic Corvette with all the original parts. Aftermarket parts tend to decrease the value for most buyers.

[NealIsGod]

Agree or disagree: People who keep harping on getting the "classic" line-ups of their favorite bands back together are inherently unhappy with their own present day lives. In their minds, continuously discussing such a reunion keeps them from facing the fact that life is always changing and nothing lasts forever.

Discuss.

Personally, NIG, I believe it is more like a guy who wants a classic Corvette with all the original parts. Aftermarket parts tend to decrease the value for most buyers.

And those parts have a certain life to them. Sometimes one breaks down and needs to be replaced. NOTHING lasts forever.

[sadie65]

People want to believe in fairy tales and happily ever after. Change is usually resisted by most people. Perhaps they are unhappy in their lives. Too many people live vicariously through others.

Peace to all.

[Red13JoePa]

If we didn't have Jeff, of COURSE I'd want Perry back in.

[larryfromnextdoor]

Agree or disagree: People who keep harping on getting the "classic" line-ups of their favorite bands back together are inherently unhappy with their own present day lives. In their minds, continuously discussing such a reunion keeps them from facing the fact that life is always changing and nothing lasts forever.

Discuss.

Personally, NIG, I believe it is more like a guy who wants a classic Corvette with all the original parts. Aftermarket parts tend to decrease the value for most buyers.

this makes me think of folks that say Neal ruins his les pauls with floyd rose'.. yet its just adding a new deminsion.. i like old corvettes too.. but i want mine to have a new set of chrome wheels...and a hot sterio, no A.M. 8-tracks ... or i want a new car.. them old ones are always breaking down ,, , how else could i apply this in life?

[Voyager]

...or i want a new car.. them old ones are always breaking down...

You mean kind of like how David Lee Roth's voice broke down?

[larryfromnextdoor]

...or i want a new car.. them old ones are always breaking down...

You mean kind of like how David Lee Roth's voice broke down?

i dont know what im talking about ,, but them van halen dudes are gonna hunt you down ..

[Red13JoePa]

Agree or disagree: People who keep harping on getting the "classic" line-ups of their favorite bands back together are inherently unhappy with their own present day lives. In their minds, continuously discussing such a reunion keeps them from facing the fact that life is always changing and nothing lasts forever.

Discuss.

Personally, NIG, I believe it is more like a guy who wants a classic Corvette with all the original parts. Aftermarket parts tend to decrease the value for most buyers.

this makes me think of folks that say Neal ruins his les pauls with floyd rose'.. yet its just adding a new deminsion.. i like old corvettes too.. but i want mine to have a new set of chrome wheels...and a hot sterio, no A.M. 8-tracks ... or i want a new car.. them old ones are always breaking down ,, , how else could i apply this in life?

Agreed, we have SP maintaining the classic catalogue and doing a fine job with the preservation and upgrading of it. And we have the go forward basis covered.

[Saint John]

Agree or disagree: People who keep harping on getting the "classic" line-ups of their favorite bands back together are inherently unhappy with their own present day lives. In their minds, continuously discussing such a reunion keeps them from facing the fact that life is always changing and nothing lasts forever.

Discuss.

I think this is very true of certain people. Take for instance the Augeri departure. A lot of people are having a difficult time with his termination. As anyone with two ears and a half brain can surmise, the guy was a very mediocre singer...at best. And a new era tends to make one seriously face the present. That said, there are certain heffers that adored Mr. Augeri (you KNOW who you are) that 6,7 or 8 years ago weighed a lot less than they currently do. But 8 years of wiping out buffets has its consequences. Now, these women who are required to buy 2 airplane tickets just to board a plane are faced with the grim realiztion that the Soto era might bring in fans that weigh less than a Volkswagon. And THAT has to be something no one would want to face. Hopefully, Augeri tours at the same time Journey does and everyone is happy. I was getting awfully tired of standing next to women built like Chris Farley.

[journeywoman]

Marriages between two people can't last and some pyschotic 30 and 40 somethings think a room full of 4 to 6 egotistical musicians can?

Dumb asses. Just enjoy the music and choose to support or not whatever version of a veteran band is touring.

Your choice. Just go or not go, but don't bitch either way. It's just music.

You are right on this one. btw cute baby ...Are those WWE belts????

[r@y]

NOTHING lasts forever.

BINGO..!!!

That pretty much sums it up.

Even life is not forever, why should anything else be..??


Ray

[Saint John]

NOTHING lasts forever.

BINGO..!!!

That pretty much sums it up.

Even life is not forever, why should anything else be..??


Ray

It sure as shit seems like my student loan will last forever.