OT: Is this cruel or sanitary?

[McNeil]

Yeah, "Shoot em up"... why did u feel the need to post the link up in the first place??

[Granny]

I found it very distrubing and cruel...anything that upsets an animal of any kind is considered cruel in my book....If people mistreat animals just think what they would do to people...especially when they think it is funny!!!!

[dcvader]

I like my kitty.

[Blueskies]

I posted what was a little pychological and sociological test for the board.....oh course any mistreatment of animals is not funny, imo, but, it was a good example to use since it was only a bath and not real abuse. The resulting posts are quite interesting....but not unexpected. While many have gotten their pantys in a wad over the cat, they have completely ignored the post I made about global and local issues....the really heavy stuff thats going on and that needs to be addressesed, given consideration, and given action in many cases........ the priorities of some are really miscued. Yes, stand up for the cat in question....but what about the treatment that you give each other and anyone that has a differing opinion or interest then you?....The personal attacks that are leveled are ok and dont need to be addressed?....the pornography that has been posted is alright...and the use of pictures of strangers is alright just because their fat and it's good for a laugh?.....the degrading of others is funny to you but not a cat in a bath?....You get a kick out of making fun of many things on here and making fun of and attacking other people.....even make that a game and a sport. Joining in with a "group think" when you observe those in your group reacting and acting in a certain way....some of you fall right in line...even when knowing it is wrong, what is said and done in many cases, so you will be "included".......and I wont even start with the sheer stupidity of the grouping and pitting against stuff between one board of fans of a band against the other....some spend alot of their time and effort ...and in some cases, money to addresse and attack fellow fans of a rock band....that one does not cease to amaze me....what would the world be like if you put the same time and effort into real issues and problems and, instead, give your time to a cause? If you are that concerned about the harm done to animals , then go out and really do something about it......actions speak louder then words. In the end, a cat is given more consideration then the plights of thousands, the condition of the planet, the consideration of friends, and the need of civility. There are many things that this speaks of and has been interesting to say the least.

[NealIsGod]

I posted what was a little pychological and sociological test for the board.....oh course any mistreatment of animals is not funny, imo, but, it was a good example to use since it was only a bath and not real abuse. The resulting posts are quite interesting....but not unexpected. While many have gotten their pantys in a wad over the cat, they have completely ignored the post I made about global and local issues....the really heavy stuff thats going on and that needs to be addressesed, given consideration, and given action in many cases........ the priorities of some are really miscued. Yes, stand up for the cat in question....but what about the treatment that you give each other and anyone that has a differing opinion or interest then you?....The personal attacks that are leveled are ok and dont need to be addressed?....the pornography that has been posted is alright...and the use of pictures of strangers is alright just because their fat and it's good for a laugh?.....the degrading of others is funny to you but not a cat in a bath?....You get a kick out of making fun of many things on here and making fun of and attacking other people.....even make that a game and a sport. Joining in with a "group think" when you observe those in your group reacting and acting in a certain way....some of you fall right in line...even when knowing it is wrong, what is said and done in many cases, so you will be "included".......and I wont even start with the sheer stupidity of the grouping and pitting against stuff between one board of fans of a band against the other....some spend alot of their time and effort ...and in some cases, money to addresse and attack fellow fans of a rock band....that one does not cease to amaze me....what would the world be like if you put the same time and effort into real issues and problems and, instead, give your time to a cause? If you are that concerned about the harm done to animals , then go out and really do something about it......actions speak louder then words. In the end, a cat is given more consideration then the plights of thousands, the condition of the planet, the consideration of friends, and the need of civility. There are many things that this speaks of and has been interesting to say the least.

I think you would have had an even stronger reaction if you showed a person being abused.

[Blueskies]

....I didnt show anything,,,didnt start this thread. ....but I did make a post on the previous page to make a point on prioritys and about a few issues..... which was skipped over and ignored entirely.... and the talk continued about one cat.... and your point about if an abused person was shown?...one of my points was I have seen people hurling abuse at others on this board in many different forms and ways over time.......have even experienced it myself a few times....Yet that is seen as alright and nothing is said about it....the offenders are even applauded for their actions and put up on a pedestal....and others join in the attack when they think it will garner them some brownie points.....even when it goes against their own belief systems and opinions......they follow blindly...and dont stay their own person or speak out against obvious mistreatment and abuse of others, but join in and laugh about it...and proceed to plot and scheme on ways to proceed and do more of it to "get at" others.........thats sad...........anyway.......I guess the point is lost or not understood and absorbed without the use of pictures?

[NealIsGod]

....I didnt show anything,,,didnt start this thread. ....but I did make a post on the previous page to make a point on prioritys and about a few issues..... which was skipped over and ignored entirely.... and the talk continued about one cat.... and your point about if an abused person was shown?...one of my points was I have seen people hurling abuse at others on this board in many different forms and ways over time.......have even experienced it myself a few times....

That's because this is just a message board, and people here can defend themselves. The cat couldn't.

[Blueskies]

....I didnt show anything,,,didnt start this thread. ....but I did make a post on the previous page to make a point on prioritys and about a few issues..... which was skipped over and ignored entirely.... and the talk continued about one cat.... and your point about if an abused person was shown?...one of my points was I have seen people hurling abuse at others on this board in many different forms and ways over time.......have even experienced it myself a few times....

That's because this is just a message board, and people here can defend themselves. The cat couldn't.

....point taken..and I agree with that...but was turning the conversation to bigger and wider issues...was pointing out some discrepancies in actions and weighing the importance of some things to others....but that flew over the heads......just tried to make a point and direct the discussion to something more.........since it is just a message board....I was just leaving a message.....with that said....enjoy the super bowl!

[Clasicrockldy]

TVL,

The little "social experiment" you conducted was a waste of time, in my opinion. Actually, it made me mad a bit. One of the possible reasons why people just "ignored" your post about the war, homelessness, etc, is because we come here to GET AWAY from that. It doesn't mean we are callous. It means that we come here to relieve our stresses and have fun posting. If we wanted to "talk" about the issues presented in your "experiment", we can go down to the Political forum or the Rant room. This type of stuff, in my opinion only, should go there instead of here.

If you remember TVL, this is a thread about a CAT, not about worldwide social issues.

[Rick]

Someone sent it to me in an email. I thought you folks might want a gander at it. I sure didn't mean for it to make anyone upset. I guess I need to take into account that some folks are more sensitive to things of that nature than I am. I would never mistreat an animal, but that video doesn't, in my opinion, depict an animal getting mistreated. Actually what they are doing in that video is giving a cat a bath, and saving themselves the bloodletting that would normally occur. The cat jumping around is the same thing that would happen if you did it in a kitchen sink and didn't have a good hold on it. The cat went home, ate it's food and survived the incident I am sure. This does no more to a cat than bringing another animal into the house, or putting the cat in a kennel, or putting the cat on an airplane. There is not a more freaked out animal in the world than one down on a noisy airport ramp riding up a conveyor belt to the cargo compartment. I see that first hand every day. We do our best to protect them from the elements, but can't do anything about the noise. After seeing that every day, I certainly don't think a cat taking a shower is cruel.

Yeah, "Shoot em up"... why did u feel the need to post the link up in the first place??

Hell I don't know, I sure wish I hadn't. Sorry folks.

[NealIsGod]

TVL,

The little "social experiment" you conducted was a waste of time, in my opinion. Actually, it made me mad a bit. One of the possible reasons why people just "ignored" your post about the war, homelessness, etc, is because we come here to GET AWAY from that. It doesn't mean we are callous. It means that we come here to relieve our stresses and have fun posting. If we wanted to "talk" about the issues presented in your "experiment", we can go down to the Political forum or the Rant room. This type of stuff, in my opinion only, should go there instead of here.

If you remember TVL, this is a thread about a CAT, not about worldwide social issues.

Great points, Sallee.

[Clasicrockldy]

Thanks Nig !

[yulog]

I posted what was a little pychological and sociological test for the board.....oh course any mistreatment of animals is not funny, imo, but, it was a good example to use since it was only a bath and not real abuse. The resulting posts are quite interesting....but not unexpected. While many have gotten their pantys in a wad over the cat, they have completely ignored the post I made about global and local issues....the really heavy stuff thats going on and that needs to be addressesed, given consideration, and given action in many cases........ the priorities of some are really miscued. Yes, stand up for the cat in question....but what about the treatment that you give each other and anyone that has a differing opinion or interest then you?....The personal attacks that are leveled are ok and dont need to be addressed?....the pornography that has been posted is alright...and the use of pictures of strangers is alright just because their fat and it's good for a laugh?.....the degrading of others is funny to you but not a cat in a bath?....You get a kick out of making fun of many things on here and making fun of and attacking other people.....even make that a game and a sport. Joining in with a "group think" when you observe those in your group reacting and acting in a certain way....some of you fall right in line...even when knowing it is wrong, what is said and done in many cases, so you will be "included".......and I wont even start with the sheer stupidity of the grouping and pitting against stuff between one board of fans of a band against the other....some spend alot of their time and effort ...and in some cases, money to addresse and attack fellow fans of a rock band....that one does not cease to amaze me....what would the world be like if you put the same time and effort into real issues and problems and, instead, give your time to a cause? If you are that concerned about the harm done to animals , then go out and really do something about it......actions speak louder then words. In the end, a cat is given more consideration then the plights of thousands, the condition of the planet, the consideration of friends, and the need of civility. There are many things that this speaks of and has been interesting to say the least.

[yulog]

TVL,

The little "social experiment" you conducted was a waste of time, in my opinion. Actually, it made me mad a bit. One of the possible reasons why people just "ignored" your post about the war, homelessness, etc, is because we come here to GET AWAY from that. It doesn't mean we are callous. It means that we come here to relieve our stresses and have fun posting. If we wanted to "talk" about the issues presented in your "experiment", we can go down to the Political forum or the Rant room. This type of stuff, in my opinion only, should go there instead of here.

If you remember TVL, this is a thread about a CAT, not about worldwide social issues.

Great points, Sallee.

Very good Sallee,i would have probably addressed more of the posters passive /aggresive coments toward so many people on the board, i would have also touched upon the theme of this person's "rant" as well as most of her "Rants" but will wait for her book to be published----I'm Good ,Your Not ,which comes out this week-----or you can read her last book-----Be more like me, i dont like the way you are!, which to date is a big hit in psychiatric hospitals throughout the U.S.A.

[Blueskies]

TVL,

The little "social experiment" you conducted was a waste of time, in my opinion. Actually, it made me mad a bit. One of the possible reasons why people just "ignored" your post about the war, homelessness, etc, is because we come here to GET AWAY from that. It doesn't mean we are callous. It means that we come here to relieve our stresses and have fun posting. If we wanted to "talk" about the issues presented in your "experiment", we can go down to the Political forum or the Rant room. This type of stuff, in my opinion only, should go there instead of here.

If you remember TVL, this is a thread about a CAT, not about worldwide social issues.

you missed my point entirely...I was using these issues as a point of comparison....not because I felt they should be discussed and solved on a message board! ha!...was opening it up to wider issues and concerns...not about a single cat but about the welfare of all animals, nature and humanity.....a little food for thought.......and you ignore my other points....why do you not speak out on the other injustices that are posted on this board?.....yes...Nig made a point that the cat cant speak up and defend its self...and people can....but the people that have their pictures posted here at times and are laughed at and ridiculed are also not here to speak up and defend themselves either....like the cat. You also are not addressing my comments on the "group think" that goes on here......
....you forcefully are always stating your opinions as to how others should act and what they can or cannot say here.....in fact, you have a tendency to demand what others should post and think....
....You have a right to your opinions .....and I stated mine because I also have that right..........and you have the right to disagree with them.
.......and by the way,,,,,you have been discussing an issue after all, havent you??
..... its also interesting that my opinion's here would make you mad.

[Blueskies]

TVL,

The little "social experiment" you conducted was a waste of time, in my opinion. Actually, it made me mad a bit. One of the possible reasons why people just "ignored" your post about the war, homelessness, etc, is because we come here to GET AWAY from that. It doesn't mean we are callous. It means that we come here to relieve our stresses and have fun posting. If we wanted to "talk" about the issues presented in your "experiment", we can go down to the Political forum or the Rant room. This type of stuff, in my opinion only, should go there instead of here.

If you remember TVL, this is a thread about a CAT, not about worldwide social issues.

Great points, Sallee.

Very good Sallee,i would have probably addressed more of the posters passive /aggresive coments toward so many people on the board, i would have also touched upon the theme of this person's "rant" as well as most of her "Rants" but will wait for her book to be published----I'm Good ,Your Not ,which comes out this week-----or you can read her last book-----Be more like me, i dont like the way you are!, which to date is a big hit in psychiatric hospitals throughout the U.S.A.

.....never have I thought I was good and/ or better then anyone else......I just have a right to voice my opinions as anyone else does.....You are the one that tries to stripe that right away from me....but, give it up Yuly...what ever you say will not stop me from saying and doing what I do....if you dont like it...well..sorry....but you will not stop my right to my opinions...... stay hidden and go back to posting your little pics that for the most part...only you and a few others laugh at.....that is your right also....just as it was and is my right to post whatever pictures I like and appreciate.....like ART!.......at least mine do not make fun of others.....and do not offend...( well...except for you who seem to be offended by artwork) haha!
....( it's kinda strange to read you even voicing an opinion for a change and actually putting down an original thought...instead of just pictures! )

[Clasicrockldy]

you missed my point entirely...I was using these issues as a point of comparison....not because I felt they should be discussed and solved on a message board! ha!...was opening it up to wider issues and concerns...not about a single cat but about the welfare of all animals, nature and humanity.....a little food for thought

Nope, I didn't miss the points at all. I, and maybe others, chose not to address them.

.......and you ignore my other points....why do you not speak out on the other injustices that are posted on this board?.....yes...Nig made a point that the cat cant speak up and defend its self...and people can....but the people that have their pictures posted here at times and are laughed at and ridiculed are also not here to speak up and defend themselves either....like the cat.

If you are referring to any of the pics that are posted on the net for others to use, your point is not valid. They put those pics up for people to use as they wish. If it is a personal photo, that is a whole other kettle of fish.

You also are not addressing my comments on the "group think" that goes on here......

What group think? It seems to me that most people here are of the same mindset. If one doesn't like something, they are free to speak up.

....you forcefully are always stating your opinions as to how others should act and what they can or cannot say here.....in fact, you have a tendency to demand what others should post and think....

Where do I forcefully state my opinions? I state my opinions. Only you think that it is done forcefully. That is how you are perceiving it. I haven't had one person other than you say this to me.

Get a grip TVL ! I don't "demand" or tell people how to think or act here. I will have my opinion. I ask people to stop when I think someone has gone over the line. All of us do that at times.......... I think you are getting some kind of complex if you believe that I have that much "control" over people here !


[qoute]....You have a right to your opinions .....and I stated mine because I also have that right..........and you have the right to disagree with them.
.......and by the way,,,,,you have been discussing an issue after all, havent you??
..... its also interesting that my opinion's here would make you mad.

That "experiment" wasn't really needed in this thread. It is about a cat, period. If you want to tackle social issues, etc., then take it to the appropriate forum. If you have an issue with someone, take the thing to PM.

Now I have to give my cats a bath................. TA TA !

[Blueskies]

That "experiment" wasn't really needed in this thread. It is about a cat, period. If you want to tackle social issues, etc., then take it to the appropriate forum. If you have an issue with someone, take the thing to PM.

Now I have to give my cats a bath................. TA TA ! [/b][/quote] ....not wasting any more of my time to point out the discrepancies that are in your post here....got alot of better and more important things to do right now....( will take the time to point out two....were you are TELLING me what to do......and why....when you are the one that seems to have a problem with me and not the other way around...why do U not take it to pm??).......I've stated and made my points already.......no sense in beating a dead horse! haha!...( j/k..relax... I love horses...just a figure of speech )...hey...sorry you didn't get the meaning behind what I had to say and that you dont like it and it makes you mad.....but I'm glad your reading them! haha!!.........and back to the cat "period" issue......arent you being abusive and cruel to your cats by giving them a bath today??

[yulog]

Anyone watch Combat Hospital on CNN?....hey....I'm an animal lover...am outspoken on animal rights and support efforts on animals behaves....and the environment......have a cat myself..do not, by any means endorse or support the idea of cruelty to animals.....thats not how I see this. ..... I just laughed at the cat jumping around as a release from the news of the day. There were 20 people killed by a tornado in my state while sleeping in their beds.....many, many others that have lost their homes.....huge swath of devastation. There were 123 people killed in Bagdad while going about their business.. shopping in a market.....blown to bits...many others injured. Now a story about 31 trapped miners. .....among many other stories and reports of a meriad of problems, catastrophies, and killings going on. Did you see the report on global warming yesterday?...It's real! .....I went kayaking on the river today as I usually do and paddled under several street bridges.....where I see homeless people sleeping in the mud on the banks......and I see the trash and waste that is carelessly thrown in the water...I collect what I can in my boat and dispose of it......took a 6 pack ring off a bird. I see the oil from motorized boats floating on top of the water and the scars that the manatees have on them from boat propellers. I could go on and on .....but just saying...a cat getting a little freaked out from a bath...is not at the top of my priority list.

Remember folks thats "I'm good, your not" at news stands next week,---and look for last years fizzle--"Be like me , i dont like the way you are"

Folks if you have to tell others how good you are without someone recognizing it before hand, theres a good chance that your self esteem is in the gutter .

[Blueskies]

...Yulog..... you dont even know me but make assumptions .....and you obviously dont understand the use of experiences when making a point clearer.....and that if you stand up for an issue you should also believe in what your saying and prove it with your actions...and do something yourself to make a change....live what you say....not just talk about it..........was using my own experience as an example and to back up my viewpoints........but, yet again the meaning has been lost on you..... too bad.

[Andrew]

Ok, let's close this one up now.