All You Conservative Bush Folk

[ohsherrie]

As usual you and your posts make sense Sherrie If half the population of our nation were at the same level of intelligence as you and brywool, we wouldnt have to deal with half the problems we deal with now.

Thank you Behshad. I just wish I had the intelligence to come up with an answer to the mess. Bush clearly doesn't and he's gotten us into such a miasma that I don't think anyone in any political party can get us out without killing more of our kids.

[Behshad]

Now where the fuck is Dean!?? He started this thread,,, he started this commotion,,, and he is keeping very quiet!
While we're on the 5th page of this thread, I bet he is at the local church right now making pancakes & sausages for the homeless.

[Rockindeano]

Now where the fuck is Dean!?? He started this thread,,, he started this commotion,,, and he is keeping very quiet!
While we're on the 5th page of this thread, I bet he is at the local church right now making pancakes & sausages for the homeless.

You know, I as well as others, could do without the constant swearing. Please, act your age.

Thank You.

[Rockindeano]

Lewinsky was a dumb point.

No its not. He was distracted from what was going on with the growing threat of terrorism on our shores.

I voted for him twice and would've again.

That's good - he could only run for two terms.

The debt was the lowest it's ever been. Economically, I was doing the best I ever had.

Thank Reagans economic policies for that. Clinton didn't do anything.

The world had a favorable impression of the US.

I could care less who in the world likes us and who doesn't. This isnt a beauty pagent. I know the Dems like to be liked but that's their problem.

I could give a crap about a sexual scandal. Big friggin' deal. The real crime was all the money that was wasted on investigating him. Ridiculous.

It shows a lack of integrity and decency as the president of the United States. It got 3000 Americans killed.

While Bush has been in office, the debt's become the biggest in history and the world hates us, and we're in a war that we shouldn't be in. What's to like there?

"Don't talk to you like you're an idiot?" Okay, but the fact that you voted Bush twice seems to illustrate otherwise . WHY would you vote for him twice? Really, I'm curious. Go to PM if you wish. Why would anybody?

Dems can't keep us safe - period. Clinton proved that.

We all have different opinions and we're all entitled to them. Didn't mean to implicate your idiocy or piss anybody off actually. We should be able to express different opinions and still have some common ground.

Name your common ground. It cannot be that 'everyone hates Bush - he's an idiot."

I'm not an anti-Bush wack job just to jump on the bandwagon. I've always been one (:))and I'm proud to be able to say I never voted for him or his daddy. Doesn't mean I thought Kerry was God, but I just can't stand behind what's going on now. Collin Powell couldn't either so I guess I'm in good company.

I never said the Bushes were the Second Coming. I was sick of Clinton/Gore. Gore would have been a bigger puss.

Regarding your last statement, I'm GLAD America is arguing with itself. It shows that we're waking up to what the F is going on. What is going on with Bin Laden has nothing to do with Iraq.

Not true. Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. Iraq had everything to do with providing aid and comfort to terrorist groups and the possibility that Iraqs weapons programs could be given to terrorists to be used against us. Have you seen the southern border? Wide freaking open to anyone wanting to bring across some dangerous weapons.

All of these people are tied together via Radical Islam. Some are Sunni (Bin Laden & Saddam) and some are Shite (Iranian prez). They hate each other - but they hate us more. "The enemy of my enemy is my friend." Sunnis and Shites will work together to eliminate a common foe - example Israel.

Scarab Pilot, you do know you just made yourself look a complete ass in the political arena, don't you? I have never, and I mean never, read such garbage in my life.

[Behshad]

Now where the fuck is Dean!?? He started this thread,,, he started this commotion,,, and he is keeping very quiet!
While we're on the 5th page of this thread, I bet he is at the local church right now making pancakes & sausages for the homeless.

You know, I as well as others, could do without the constant swearing. Please, act your age.

Thank You.

Sorry your holiness
Will try to be more careful next time.

[Scarab Pilot]

Scarab Pilot, you do know you just made yourself look a complete ass in the political arena, don't you? I have never, and I mean never, read such garbage in my life.

Thats fine. I place no importance on winning your approval for anything that I've stated. I disagree with your statements on this subject as well - what are you going to do, cry?

[jrnychick]

While people continue to argue back and forth about who is worse, Bill Clinton or George W. Bush, the terrorists laugh at us and plan. When it comes to these terrorist groups, it doesn't matter one bit who our president is. They are going to attack us again unless we can find out about it first and prevent each and every attack. It's not our president that they hate. It's US they hate. They hate the fact that we can sit at our computers and debate these issues. They hate that I can walk down the street without my hair and face covered. They hate that many of us do not consider Allah as our God, and that we don't want to kill the infidels who don't fall in lock-step with their radical beliefs. Even peace-loving muslims are considered infidels. When Bin Laden dies, someone else will take his place. So just know that 9/11 was not Bill Clinton's fault. Any future attacks are not George Bush's fault.

Brywool--I believe it was you (correct me if I'm wrong) who made a comment a few pages back about the economy being stronger under Bill Clinton's direction. It's a pretty common misconception that the president has much influence over the economy as a whole. The fed chairman has a MUCH greater influence over those things that affect us in our daily lives financially.

[Behshad]

While people continue to argue back and forth about who is worse, Bill Clinton or George W. Bush, the terrorists laugh at us and plan. When it comes to these terrorist groups, it doesn't matter one bit who our president is. They are going to attack us again unless we can find out about it first and prevent each and every attack. It's not our president that they hate. It's US they hate. They hate the fact that we can sit at our computers and debate these issues. They hate that I can walk down the street without my hair and face covered. They hate that many of us do not consider Allah as our God, and that we don't want to kill the infidels who don't fall in lock-step with their radical beliefs. Even peace-loving muslims are considered infidels. When Bin Laden dies, someone else will take his place. So just know that 9/11 was not Bill Clinton's fault. Any future attacks are not George Bush's fault.

Brywool--I believe it was you (correct me if I'm wrong) who made a comment a few pages back about the economy being stronger under Bill Clinton's direction. It's a pretty common misconception that the president has much influence over the economy as a whole. The fed chairman has a MUCH greater influence over those things that affect us in our daily lives financially.

One little note here..... Allah is just the arabic for God. Its the same God that Noah, Moses , Jesus and all other religous leaders belived in. People often think that the muslims want us to belive in a different God, but if you actually compare the Bible/Koran/Torat, they share the the same basics based on the 10 commands and they all belive in the same God:)

[conversationpc]

One thing to keep in mind with the whole Iraq situation is that one reason Bush may have done this is to have a military presence in Iraq as a means of counter-balancing Iran as the major threat in the Middle East. This is something I've heard a couple of commentators talking about and, the more I hear about it, the more I see it as a real possibility.

That's bullshit Dave. In other words, Republican Party spin.

One person I've heard this theory from is not a big fan of the Republican party at all. I don't remember the other source but to say it's Republican party spin is just plain dumb.

[conversationpc]

One little note here..... Allah is just the arabic for God. Its the same God that Noah, Moses , Jesus and all other religous leaders belived in. People often think that the muslims want us to belive in a different God, but if you actually compare the Bible/Koran/Torat, they share the the same basics based on the 10 commands and they all belive in the same God:)

I think most Jews and Christians, myself included, would disagree that Allah, as described in the Qur'an, is the same God that they worship.

[Rockindeano]

That is too funny. So now the GOP talking points, let's just say it for what it is, is now trying to say the Iraqi invasion was ultimately to attain some land near Iran? Given that a conventional ground war is probably suicidal, ie, we would get our asses kicked, you do not need to move in next door to Iran. It would be an air war/strike that would be to attempt to stifle Iran, not a bunch of tanks bumping through the deserts and canyons of Iran. You think iraq has been hard? Iran is 10 times more difficult. Now, had they said they would keep a Naval fleet in the Gulf, THAT I would back as truth.

There is just no depth too low that today's republicans will stoop to.

[conversationpc]

I personaly disagree with abortion. But should my personal opinions affect someone elses decision?
I think if we take the rights away from the person who wants to go through with it, then where do we stop?

ALL law is a representation of someone's morality, even in regards to financial issues, so to say that your personal opinions have no place in effecting legislation is naive.

[Scarab Pilot]

One little note here..... Allah is just the arabic for God. Its the same God that Noah, Moses , Jesus and all other religous leaders belived in. People often think that the muslims want us to belive in a different God, but if you actually compare the Bible/Koran/Torat, they share the the same basics based on the 10 commands and they all belive in the same God:)

I think most Jews and Christians, myself included, would disagree that Allah, as described in the Qur'an, is the same God that they worship.

Correct. And if they followed the 10 commandments they must be overlooking the one that says "Thou Shalt Not Kill." I would recommend "The Politically Incorrect Guide is Islam" By Robert Spenser. He has done extensive research and study on Islam and has a very informative website. http://jihadwatch.org/

[Rockindeano]

Correct. And if they followed the 10 commandments they must be overlooking the one that says "Thou Shalt Not Kill." I would recommend "The Politically Incorrect Guide is Islam" By Robert Spenser. He has done extensive research and study on Islam and has a very informative website. http://jihadwatch.org/

If that is the play you want to take to the line of scrimmage, let me ask you this.

George W Bush would be guilty of this according to your reasoning. Iraq nor it's people started this war. The United States did. The US have killed over 100,000 Iraqis. But that's ok, right, because "we" did it and we are cool, and we mean well.

[conversationpc]

That is too funny. So now the GOP talking points, let's just say it for what it is, is now trying to say the Iraqi invasion was ultimately to attain some land near Iran? Given that a conventional ground war is probably suicidal, ie, we would get our asses kicked, you do not need to move in next door to iran. Now, had they said they would keep a Naval fleet in the Gulf, THAT I would back as truth.

There is just no depth too low that today's republicans will stoop to.

It's not the GOP or Republicans. The one place I've heard this is on the Glenn Beck show and if you've listened to his show at all, you'd know that he constantly slams Republicans as well as Democrats all the time on his show, especially over the last year or so.

Glenn had former Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on his TV show a few months ago and Netanyahu confirmed that he was thinking the exact same thing. Neither of those two are cronies of the Republican party, the last I checked.

[Rockindeano]

Sounds Cheneyist. Start the war, and then re talk it to fit in the current phase/scheme. "Hey, you know what? We are close to Iran now. THAT is the real reason we went to war versus Iraq. Yeah, that's the ticket."

Less that 2 years...These morons will be history, and maybe even sooner regarding Cheney. I hope Fitzgerald can pin pergury on him.

[Scarab Pilot]

Correct. And if they followed the 10 commandments they must be overlooking the one that says "Thou Shalt Not Kill." I would recommend "The Politically Incorrect Guide is Islam" By Robert Spenser. He has done extensive research and study on Islam and has a very informative website. http://jihadwatch.org/

If that is the play you want to take to the line of scrimmage, let me ask you this.

George W Bush would be guilty of this according to your reasoning. Iraq nor it's people started this war. The United States did. The US have killed over 100,000 Iraqis. But that's ok, right, because "we" did it and we are cool, and we mean well.

I never said or inferred that at all. I was commenting of the concept that Islam holds the same tennants as Christianity and Judism.

I have never said anywhere in this thread what we did in Iraq was the correct thing and that we are not guilty of anything.

[Scarab Pilot]

Sounds Cheneyist. Start the war, and then re talk it to fit in the current phase/scheme. "Hey, you know what? We are close to Iran now. THAT is the real reason we went to war versus Iraq. Yeah, that's the ticket."

It does seem like its been this way. Bad intel, bad planning, no idea that after 30 years of repressive rule that the country would implode on itself - which would have most likely happened once Saddam died or was deposed.

[Carrington]

In Iraq's case, the main problem is that we're tryin to force freedom to people that arent used to freedom.
Democracy must be born within the nation and blossom its way to reach people, it cant be forced on them.

Hmm, I'd ask Japan and Germany about that.....


just because Iraq and it's people were not free under Saddam, a dictator, does not mean they do not want to be free....Democracies take time, again, look how long it took for Japan and Germany......and the US still has bases in both countries....

[Rockindeano]

In Iraq's case, the main problem is that we're tryin to force freedom to people that arent used to freedom.
Democracy must be born within the nation and blossom its way to reach people, it cant be forced on them.

Hmm, I'd ask Japan and Germany about that.....


just because Iraq and it's people were not free under Saddam, a dictator, does not mean they do not want to be free....Democracies take time, again, look how long it took for Japan and Germany......and the US still has bases in both countries....

The US still has baese in Japan and Germany because of the Treaty signed in Berlin after WW2. Japan and Germany are not allowed to have militaries....

You can also add Russia to your list of states that have gone from Commubnism to socialism to capitalism.

[Behshad]

In Iraq's case, the main problem is that we're tryin to force freedom to people that arent used to freedom.
Democracy must be born within the nation and blossom its way to reach people, it cant be forced on them.

Hmm, I'd ask Japan and Germany about that.....


just because Iraq and it's people were not free under Saddam, a dictator, does not mean they do not want to be free....Democracies take time, again, look how long it took for Japan and Germany......and the US still has bases in both countries....

You can not compare those countries to Iraq, simply because those countries didnt have religion steering their countries.

[Behshad]

I personaly disagree with abortion. But should my personal opinions affect someone elses decision?
I think if we take the rights away from the person who wants to go through with it, then where do we stop?

ALL law is a representation of someone's morality, even in regards to financial issues, so to say that your personal opinions have no place in effecting legislation is naive.

Its not naive,, Its realistic.
People voted for the democrats to have majority in the senate.
The majority of the Senate and the people who voted them in are against the war and want to end it.
The president made it clear that HE is in charge and no matter what he has the last word.
You do the math to figure out why I dont think our votes wont count and voices wont be heard.


Also in regards to your God vs Allah,,, which part of Islam's God did you think was completely different than the God you belive in? Have you even read the Koran!? I doubt it that you have. You judge the God which is the exact same God you belive in ,because of the missrepresentation of Islam by some idiots who use the religion for their own benefits even if it means it will give their religion a bad name.

[Behshad]

Correct. And if they followed the 10 commandments they must be overlooking the one that says "Thou Shalt Not Kill." I would recommend "The Politically Incorrect Guide is Islam" By Robert Spenser. He has done extensive research and study on Islam and has a very informative website. http://jihadwatch.org/

If that is the play you want to take to the line of scrimmage, let me ask you this.

George W Bush would be guilty of this according to your reasoning. Iraq nor it's people started this war. The United States did. The US have killed over 100,000 Iraqis. But that's ok, right, because "we" did it and we are cool, and we mean well.

Yazzy! Yet another good point!!

[brywool]

First, this is offensive to me as a Christian. Second, when was the last time radical Christians blew up or killed ANYONE?

I could give a shit about offending a Christian. Everything's offensive to a Christian. When was the last time Christian's blew up anything? Abortion Clinics, How about Catholic Priests and little boys, then their church hiding them and paying their lawyer fees?
Yeah, I've offended Christians here before, so what? When it's that we're talking about killing muslims, everything's A.O.K. with Joe Redneck, but point the same finger at Christians and they all freak out.
Hitler was a christian.

I'm not saying all Christians. I'm saying fundamentalist Christians, Fundamentalist (any religion here) is trouble.

[brywool]

Actually, the 19 terrorists were Saudi who used our lax visa rules to come here. Do we bomb Saudia Arabia - whenever you're ready. The Saudis have never been our friends.

You wouldn't notice with photos of Bush walking holding hands with the Saudi Prince. The Bush family are big friends of theirs.

[Scarab Pilot]

Actually, the 19 terrorists were Saudi who used our lax visa rules to come here. Do we bomb Saudia Arabia - whenever you're ready. The Saudis have never been our friends.

You wouldn't notice with photos of Bush walking holding hands with the Saudi Prince. The Bush family are big friends of theirs.

So are the Clintons, so are many politicians. Your point?

[fredinator]

Or the Salem witch trials, or the Catholic church torturing and burning all those people (maybe several hundred years ago, I can't remember what it is called)... Heretics or something? I just can't remember!

[Scarab Pilot]

Or the Salem witch trials, or the Catholic church torturing and burning all those people (maybe several hundred years ago, I can't remember what it is called)... Heretics or something? I just can't remember!

The Inqusition?

[fredinator]

Bingo--that's it!! I had a mind lock or something; thanks, ScarabP

[brywool]

Actually, the 19 terrorists were Saudi who used our lax visa rules to come here. Do we bomb Saudia Arabia - whenever you're ready. The Saudis have never been our friends.

You wouldn't notice with photos of Bush walking holding hands with the Saudi Prince. The Bush family are big friends of theirs.

So are the Clintons, so are many politicians. Your point?

Your quote was "The Saudi's have never been our friends"- My point, is you wouldn't know it by how the Bush's treat them. They're Buds.