Proof that the 2007 Van Halen/DLR Tour will be a joke!

[Kenny]

P.S. - Why don't you have anything good to say about President Bush? Is he fucking up or something? Does that give you reason to bash him? Why can't you find a president that you can say good things about? I rest my case.

True dat.

Are you fucking high? 'True dat'?????? What is that?

[cyclonus5150]

With Dave + Van Halen it was always about the power of the music, the show and the attitude. Those are what made the experience for VH fans back then. If you wanted to go see a stellar vocal performance, you headed off to a Journey show. Dave never pretended to be Steve Perry...he was always just the baddest motherfucker on the block. If he brings that attitude on tour with him this summer....and you better believe he's been dreaming of this for 20 years now...it's all gonna be just fine.

[journeyinto2001]

With Dave + Van Halen it was always about the power of the music, the show and the attitude. Those are what made the experience for VH fans back then. If you wanted to go see a stellar vocal performance, you headed off to a Journey show. Dave never pretended to be Steve Perry...he was always just the baddest motherfucker on the block. If he brings that attitude on tour with him this summer....and you better believe he's been dreaming of this for 20 years now...it's all gonna be just fine.

He can be the baddest motherfucker in your eyes, but having seen him tour on his solo VH tour with Sammy, he is the oldest motherfucker who can't sing, kick or scream VH style in my eyes. I'll be passing on this VH tour, and I think a lot more people than you think will be passing on it. I felt completely ripped off when I saw DLR the last time and it is crystal clear to me that VH is jumping on board with the exact same motive this time: A CASH GRAB. This isn't about the fans and it isn't about the music. It's just because they can and the cash is there to be had.

[atticus]

It seems DLR has a better approval rating then El Presidente

[Taliwakker]

Voyager wrote

I have plenty of good things to say about bands that are giving me reason to say good things about them. For example, I don't bash Journey on their forum here because they don't give me any reason to. Van Halen, on the other hand, is currently giving their fans a lot of reasons to be disgusted and disappointed in them. Since this is America, we have the right to speak out about it.

1.Weren't Journey fucking over there fans with the whole taped vocals pre JSS?

2.Van Halen have reunited with Roth and are gonna play live again...which is what a lot of fans have wanted for years...a pity its not with Mike....but maybe the reason the last tour wasn't as great as everyone hoped for (apart from the drinking) was the unhappy band dynamic....might be a little different this time around.

3.Wow i didn't realise the internet was actually america....i should have brought my visa.

I've been reading through a few of the more recent posts on this forum and there is a fair bit of EVH bashing going on.
Its quite simple....if you don't think they can perform well don't buy a ticket for the tour....if you think they are gonna suck without Mike don't buy a ticket for the tour. If you think Ed's life decisions are affecting you and you need to dwell on them, get a life.
I'm all for people being able to air negative comments about a band on a forum like this but some of you seem to laying in the boot whenever they can....there are plenty of other bands on this forum you can go bash too if thats what you like...spread it around....Def Leppard are worth slamming for being so soft, Whitesnake have just released to almost identical live products in the same year...and new songs sucked (without the original lineup too ) Kiss are probably planning new ways of ripping off their fans as we speak.
At least VH are gonna play again....it may not be the classic lineup....but its better than nothing. I say reserve your judgement until after the tour finishes. At least you guys will have a chance to see it in the US....doubt whether its gonna make it downunder.

P.S. - Why don't you have anything good to say about President Bush? Is he fucking up or something? Does that give you reason to bash him? Why can't you find a president that you can say good things about? I rest my case.

I don't know if Kenny goes to a George Bush Jnr forum and bags him out though? and does he do it continuously? Poor reasoning Voyager.

Are you fucking high? 'True dat'?????? What is that?

NiG is Vanilla Ice-ing up this thread...thats nigga speak Kenny.....white america adopting the language of the black communities is becoming quite mainstream my dawg!

[VH101]

3.Wow i didn't realise the internet was actually america....i should have brought my visa.

Of course it is! Al Gore created it! It's Time/Warner/AOL... AOL as in America On-Line! Not Sudan On-Line or Haiti On-Line! By the way, is VH still connected with Warner?

{This is me being facetious (i.e. not serious, nor speaking my mind; sarcastic).}

All you VH haters get the fuck outta here!

[stabbim]

Dave never pretended to be Steve Perry...he was always just the baddest motherfucker on the block. If he brings that attitude on tour with him this summer....and you better believe he's been dreaming of this for 20 years now...it's all gonna be just fine.

The particular style of "baddest motherfucker" attitude that DLR traded on back in the day hangs very differently on a 52-year-old than a 32-year old, and it's not always flattering. What he needs to bring, besides his A Game vocally, is just a tad of humility to go with the Mr Excitement persona. Show some gratitude. Show some sincerity. Make this thing real, beyond the attempted time-warp. IMO.

[ohsosoto]

Holy crap, was that bad. I thought he was bad enough back in their heyday but that was some of the worst crap I've ever heard. I can stand seeing a show with a bad singer but that would just flat-out ruin the show.

yea, but remember. if you drink enough, they will sound and even look good. it's all in the amt added.

[DerriD]

I've been a Van Halen fan since Junior High School. My wife actually likes them better than I do. While I admit that with Roth they were more of a party band, the Hagar stuff shows a more mature side of the band. It's also apparant to most that Hagar has held up MUCH better than either Eddie or Roth, not to mention that Hagar seems to be the even keel of the bunch and has the best attitude. For my wife its all Eddie/Roth all the time. Because of this, I will no doubt be seeing them this summer regardless of cost or distance to a show. I honestly hope they sound at least decent for the cash I will no doubt be dropping on them.

This brings me to the point of those who would have the 'complainers' go away. I'll give my take, for what it's worth. No one would be here if they weren't a fan...period. Why are people moaning? Well most likely it's due to the bands (mostly Eddies) attitude for the last 10 years. We have seen a band we enjoyed erode away into a shell of its former self. They have been more or less defunct for nearly a decade. Eddie has chosen to treat himself, much like he treats others, like crap. There's the "Never again with Roth" stuff, the backbiting of Sammy stuff, the kicking out Michael because he had the 'Audacity' to perform with Sammy. Knocking the Tequilla sales, the Hot Sauce sales, sloppy performances during the 2004 tour, porno soundtracks, divorce, still smoking even after a cancer battle then blaming it on metallic picks he held in his mouth, showing up for equipment demos 2 hours late and then playing with his back to the crowd and the list goes on and on.

So we gripe (okay maybe alot in some people's cases) because we are shocked and saddened by those turn of events. Maybe posting on this board is merely a way to vent our frustration. Maybe we hope beyond hope that the band may actually read some of these posts and see the frustration. Who knows? If the steady diet of news coming from the Van Halen camp were all upbeat, can you honestly say that there would be any bitching at all? I doubt it. Just because everyone doesn't praise Eddie 24/7 doesn't mean that they aren't/weren't a fan. Maybe we bitch because we care enough to. A virtual intervention if you will. All in all there's room for us all, just be glad the band isn't completely relegated to the past.

[Kenny]

Yeah, great post.

You made some excellent points, none of which I can refute. The only point I have been making and will continue to make is that every single post doesn't have to be negative, or 'moaning' as you put it.

I do take issue with anyone who goes to any message board purely to post negative whine after negative whine.....I had issue with one particular poster and actually praised him when he went beyond the whining and moaning to post something a little more discussion worthy.

I do not go to message boards of bands I dislike intensely and post again and again how much the band sucks, etc, whilst at the same time proclaiming how I have been a 'long time fan' or some such.

I agree and I am saddened by the fact that Eddie seems in some respects to have become so bitter that he dumps on people like Mikey and Sam who he obviously has shared fantastic career highs and great times with.....but I also have spent some of the best times of my life with Van Halen in the background - and that means a lot to me.

Once a fan, always a fan through thick and thin......I actually haven't spent a lot of time listening to VH over the last 5 years or so....but when people just dump constantly I guess it just makes me defensive aboutn the band and their legacy.

BTW, agree with what you said about the Hagar era - it's funny that my 3 favourite VH albums are the first one (young, fresh and hungry) '1984' (new sounds, bit of tension causing creativity) and '5150' (out to prove the band could still exist).
Certainly the Hagar era brought a new maturity - Roth has always seemed like the guy who won't grow up - I'm fascinated to see what transpires with this new collaboration - but I am really worried about Wolfie.

[DerriD]

Yeah, great post.

You made some excellent points, none of which I can refute. The only point I have been making and will continue to make is that every single post doesn't have to be negative, or 'moaning' as you put it.

I do take issue with anyone who goes to any message board purely to post negative whine after negative whine.....I had issue with one particular poster and actually praised him when he went beyond the whining and moaning to post something a little more discussion worthy.

I do not go to message boards of bands I dislike intensely and post again and again how much the band sucks, etc, whilst at the same time proclaiming how I have been a 'long time fan' or some such.

I agree and I am saddened by the fact that Eddie seems in some respects to have become so bitter that he dumps on people like Mikey and Sam who he obviously has shared fantastic career highs and great times with.....but I also have spent some of the best times of my life with Van Halen in the background - and that means a lot to me.

Once a fan, always a fan through thick and thin......I actually haven't spent a lot of time listening to VH over the last 5 years or so....but when people just dump constantly I guess it just makes me defensive aboutn the band and their legacy.

BTW, agree with what you said about the Hagar era - it's funny that my 3 favourite VH albums are the first one (young, fresh and hungry) '1984' (new sounds, bit of tension causing creativity) and '5150' (out to prove the band could still exist).
Certainly the Hagar era brought a new maturity - Roth has always seemed like the guy who won't grow up - I'm fascinated to see what transpires with this new collaboration - but I am really worried about Wolfie.

Agreed!

[belhair1957]

Well Eddie still can play !!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIr-WBZT1MI

[belhair1957]

Now if Alex can still do this , then were all right !!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MA5wP7yBi08

[stingthebeerdrinker]

Dave's never been a great live singer. Watch the US Festival he's so pissed off his ass he forgets the words to every song. I saw him in a club in Balto in the summer of 2006 and had a good time. His solo band consisted of some great musicians and after a few beers he sounded great. I think this tour will be a disaster due to the lack of MA's backing vocals which were a major part of VH. My problem is the $100 + they will be charging for tickets just like the Sammy tour. Why pay that when you can see Dave in a club for $20 and keep the extra $80 for alcohol. As much as I love Eddie and Alex I'd prefer not to hear 15 min. guitar/drum solos. I forgot Wolfie will also probably do a solo as well.

[Voyager]

No one would be here if they weren't a fan...period. Why are people moaning? Well most likely it's due to the bands (mostly Eddies) attitude for the last 10 years. We have seen a band we enjoyed erode away into a shell of its former self. They have been more or less defunct for nearly a decade. Eddie has chosen to treat himself, much like he treats others, like crap. There's the "Never again with Roth" stuff, the backbiting of Sammy stuff, the kicking out Michael because he had the 'Audacity' to perform with Sammy. Knocking the Tequilla sales, the Hot Sauce sales, sloppy performances during the 2004 tour, porno soundtracks, divorce, still smoking even after a cancer battle then blaming it on metallic picks he held in his mouth, showing up for equipment demos 2 hours late and then playing with his back to the crowd and the list goes on and on.

Very well said. Someone also asked why we weren't bashing Journey for the lip synching fiasco. I personally don't bash Journey because everyone in that band is 100% dedicated to giving their fans the best performance possible. They are not sitting around saturating their brains with Smoking Loon wine 24/7 as Eddie Van Halen is. They are not making stupid-ass decisions like putting a 15-year-old kid on bass guitar and replacing Michael Anthony who has a great attitude, great vocals, and plays a mean bass guitar. Eddie booted Mike just because he played with Sammy Hagar. Well duh! Who made the choice to jam with Sammy to begin with? EVH did!

[mafoynx]

from Voyager:

They are not making stupid-ass decisions like putting a 15-year-old kid on bass guitar and replacing Michael Anthony who has a great attitude, great vocals, and plays a mean bass guitar. Eddie booted Mike just because he played with Sammy Hagar. Well duh! Who made the choice to jam with Sammy to begin with? EVH did!

Just Maybe...You know just maybe Eddie wants to play with his Son.

Wouldn't it be great to have a band with your son in it playing by your side? I think thats what Eddie is doing....Doing what he wants.....He and the band have been the music whores to all the money hungry promoters and un-forgiving fans for the last 20 years.....Why would he do it any other way.....

I don't think he is doing it to spite anybody, he is just doing something that he wants and something that excites him.

He has also said if Roth doesn't come through. he will find another Singer and still do the tour.

This tells me he just wants to do this with his brother,son and him and whoever else. FAMILY . HIS . NOT NECESSARLY THE FANS....... BUY IT OR DON'T...................

[NealIsGod]

I forgot Wolfie will also probably do a solo as well.

I hear he's gonna chug a gallon of chocolate milk during his solo.

[Abitaman]

Holy crap, was that bad. I thought he was bad enough back in their heyday but that was some of the worst crap I've ever heard. I can stand seeing a show with a bad singer but that would just flat-out ruin the show.

I have a couple of boots from the Sam/Dave tour. Each night Sammy blew Dave away. Dave sounded bad, very bad on both. Hopefully he will get serious about this tour-ERIC

[journeyinto2001]

[/quote]
Very well said. Someone also asked why we weren't bashing Journey for the lip synching fiasco. I personally don't bash Journey because everyone in that band is 100% dedicated to giving their fans the best performance possible. They are not sitting around saturating their brains with Smoking Loon wine 24/7 as Eddie Van Halen is. They are not making stupid-ass decisions like putting a 15-year-old kid on bass guitar and replacing Michael Anthony who has a great attitude, great vocals, and plays a mean bass guitar. Eddie booted Mike just because he played with Sammy Hagar. Well duh! Who made the choice to jam with Sammy to begin with? EVH did!

[/quote]

BINGO! Journey is 100% about their fans, with Perry, with Augeri and now with Soto. You hit the nail on the head about VH!

[Taliwakker]

Someone also asked why we weren't bashing Journey for the lip synching fiasco. I personally don't bash Journey because everyone in that band is 100% dedicated to giving their fans the best performance possible. They are not sitting around saturating their brains with Smoking Loon wine 24/7 as Eddie Van Halen is. They are not making stupid-ass decisions like putting a 15-year-old kid on bass guitar and replacing Michael Anthony who has a great attitude, great vocals, and plays a mean bass guitar. Eddie booted Mike just because he played with Sammy Hagar. Well duh! Who made the choice to jam with Sammy to begin with? EVH did!

1.If you ask me the lip synching has nothing to do with giving their fans the best performance possible...i know i'd feel royally screwed if a band pulled that shit if i went to see them.....that sounded like a typical Journey fanboi response btw.

2.While it is unfortunate that it is taking its toll now...no one seemed to care that EVH was fucked up most of the time during the 80's.

3.Unfortunately for VH, business and close minded fans have dictated that they only exist with Roth or Hagar......if you've ever been in a band you'll know that playing with people you don't like (doesn't matter about the reasons and who's right or wrong) rarely works....so this upcoming tour lineup seems like the lesser of two evils for EVH i would imagine.

[stingthebeerdrinker]

from Voyager:

They are not making stupid-ass decisions like putting a 15-year-old kid on bass guitar and replacing Michael Anthony who has a great attitude, great vocals, and plays a mean bass guitar. Eddie booted Mike just because he played with Sammy Hagar. Well duh! Who made the choice to jam with Sammy to begin with? EVH did!

Just Maybe...You know just maybe Eddie wants to play with his Son.

Wouldn't it be great to have a band with your son in it playing by your side? I think thats what Eddie is doing....Doing what he wants.....He and the band have been the music whores to all the money hungry promoters and un-forgiving fans for the last 20 years.....Why would he do it any other way.....

I don't think he is doing it to spite anybody, he is just doing something that he wants and something that excites him.

He has also said if Roth doesn't come through. he will find another Singer and still do the tour.

This tells me he just wants to do this with his brother,son and him and whoever else. FAMILY . HIS . NOT NECESSARLY THE FANS....... BUY IT OR DON'T...................

No this is for cash. If he wants to play with his son then play a nightclub(I forgot, the bass play for VH is not old enough to get into a club) He's pissed at Sam amd Mike and this is revenge. Eddie is fuckin off his rocker. Did you not catch his Howard Stern appearance? I hope instead of playing at the HOF he just talks about how he discovered his own cure for cancer. If you can't get along with Sammy then how can you possibly even have a conversation with Dave. I'd rather see another Sam and Dave tour

[stingthebeerdrinker]

from Voyager:

They are not making stupid-ass decisions like putting a 15-year-old kid on bass guitar and replacing Michael Anthony who has a great attitude, great vocals, and plays a mean bass guitar. Eddie booted Mike just because he played with Sammy Hagar. Well duh! Who made the choice to jam with Sammy to begin with? EVH did!

Just Maybe...You know just maybe Eddie wants to play with his Son.

Wouldn't it be great to have a band with your son in it playing by your side? I think thats what Eddie is doing....Doing what he wants.....He and the band have been the music whores to all the money hungry promoters and un-forgiving fans for the last 20 years.....Why would he do it any other way.....

I don't think he is doing it to spite anybody, he is just doing something that he wants and something that excites him.

He has also said if Roth doesn't come through. he will find another Singer and still do the tour.

This tells me he just wants to do this with his brother,son and him and whoever else. FAMILY . HIS . NOT NECESSARLY THE FANS....... BUY IT OR DON'T...................

If it's not for cash then how about some free outdoor shows.


No this is for cash. If he wants to play with his son then play a nightclub(I forgot, the bass play for VH is not old enough to get into a club) He's pissed at Sam amd Mike and this is revenge. Eddie is fuckin off his rocker. Did you not catch his Howard Stern appearance? I hope instead of playing at the HOF he just talks about how he discovered his own cure for cancer. If you can't get along with Sammy then how can you possibly even have a conversation with Dave. I'd rather see another Sam and Dave tour

[Voyager]

Just Maybe...You know just maybe Eddie wants to play with his Son.

What if Alex Lifeson wanted to play with his son who is a drummer? Should he and Geddy Lee kick Neil Peart out of Rush to let his son play drums?

[stingthebeerdrinker]

If he wants to play with his son then they can do it in the privacy of their own living room. Michael Anthony is more important to this band than Alex is. I would not be surprised if they hired a keyboard player or back up singers to cover up what will be missing without Mike. Shame Eddie is still not with Valerie or she'd be in VH too.

[stabbim]

I would not be surprised if they hired a keyboard player or back up singers to cover up what will be missing without Mike.

Distinct possibility, there. In fact, as long as they've got DLR aboard, they ought to just give Brett Tuggle a call. Decent keyboard player, sings high harmony, doesn't mind being stuck behind a curtain....

[stingthebeerdrinker]

Good call. Last time I saw Bret he was with Fleetwood Mac and Stevie solo. May already be signed on to Stevie's tour though. Real sad thought - Michaels backing vocals on tape??

[DerriD]

3.Unfortunately for VH, business and close minded fans have dictated that they only exist with Roth or Hagar......

Did I completely miss something or was there something called Van Halen III with Gary Cherone? They toured with him as well. Fans were open to it (I remember thinking this outta be great due to Gary's success with Extreme). The reason it bombed was the album SUCKED!

[stabbim]

3.Unfortunately for VH, business and close minded fans have dictated that they only exist with Roth or Hagar......

Did I completely miss something or was there something called Van Halen III with Gary Cherone? They toured with him as well. Fans were open to it

Well...some were. A lot weren't, especially after the circus of 1996. Had VH parted ways with Hagar and then quietly picked Cherone up and kept going without the insanity in between, they might have retained a little more goodwill from fans, but this lineup change was due for an uphill struggle no matter what. The context in which it happened just made the grade steeper.

(I remember thinking this outta be great due to Gary's success with Extreme). The reason it bombed was the album SUCKED!

I remember being curious. Big fan of VH, big fan of Extreme...maybe it could work....I wasn't opposed to it on principle like many fans I knew. But yeah, then the album hit...

[Trailblazer]

mafoynx wrote:
from Voyager:

They are not making stupid-ass decisions like putting a 15-year-old kid on bass guitar and replacing Michael Anthony who has a great attitude, great vocals, and plays a mean bass guitar. Eddie booted Mike just because he played with Sammy Hagar. Well duh! Who made the choice to jam with Sammy to begin with? EVH did!

Just Maybe...You know just maybe Eddie wants to play with his Son.

Wouldn't it be great to have a band with your son in it playing by your side? I think thats what Eddie is doing....Doing what he wants.....He and the band have been the music whores to all the money hungry promoters and un-forgiving fans for the last 20 years.....Why would he do it any other way.....

I don't think he is doing it to spite anybody, he is just doing something that he wants and something that excites him.

He has also said if Roth doesn't come through. he will find another Singer and still do the tour.

This tells me he just wants to do this with his brother,son and him and whoever else. FAMILY . HIS . NOT NECESSARLY THE FANS....... BUY IT OR DON'T...................


UNFORGIVING FANS, YOU SAY? I think Van Halen's fans have been the MOST forgiviing fans of all. As for the money-hungry promoters, they wouldn't be in the business if not for money-hungry bands.

[Voyager]

P.S. - Why don't you have anything good to say about President Bush? Is he fucking up or something? Does that give you reason to bash him? Why can't you find a president that you can say good things about? I rest my case.

Comparing a rock star with a 'President'? For starters, one is, or has been a drunken, coke snorting wastrel who has had everything in life handed to him on a plate, is a lying, diry **** of a man and has COMPLETELY and utterly fucked up.......

Which one were you describing, George Bush or Eddie Van Halen? I think your description would fit either one of them. However, Eddie didn't have everything handed to him on a plate. He worked for it. Unfortunately he is now throwing it all away due to his substance abuse problems.

I agree with you about Bush. But I think you need to face reality and realize that Eddie is one fucked-up idiot right now due to his alcohol and drug problems. Don't let idol-worship put reality-blinders on you like it does to so many people. Look at how many people defend the pedophile Michael Jackson. People have a tendency to overlook the bad habits of their favorite celebrity.