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[Behshad]

..........Shakira and Charo are both incredibly talented women who are geniuses in the vein of Prince. I know that will make eyes roll.....

Charo is a talented classical guitarist, but Shakira is just a latin Britney and European Christina IMO. I don't see anything genius anywhere but possibly in their PR people.

Come on now Sherri
Shakira is FAR away from a Britney or a Christina
She is a kick ass singer and dancer,,,,
And as a bonus she is very hot....
Cant belive you would even compare her to trash like Britney!!!

I've only seen her twice on TV. She dances well, but then so does Britney, she sings well, but then so does Christina when she tries. I guess if she has an advantage over them it's that she has the best of both. Her Hotness factor doesn't do much for me personally.

Her voice smokes Christina's voice away !!! Get her first cd and listen to some of the ballads and man, the girl is like the female version of JSS! lol
and I knew the hotness isnt gonna do much for you,,, but its an extra bonus for us guys,,, just like JSS for the ladies

[Wheels Of Fyre]

It's funny that you say she's a Shakira wannabe because she purposely sang a Blondie song so as NOT to present herself as such. Also, Shakira is not an air head. Shakira and Charo are both incredibly talented women who are geniuses in the vein of Prince. I know that will make eyes roll.

Perla brings a genuine playfulness - I think that's her originality and as long as she performs as such then I don't know who will beat her.

You have lost your mind
Now, I really don't know a whole lot about Charo,
but even mentioning Shakira as "a genius in the vein of Prince"
is one of the most laughable, ridiculous things I've heard you say.
Yes, I know she has been a huge success in the latin american community
since the early 90s and has just recently, within the past 5-6 years,
gained cross-over success but "a genius"???
And BTW, I never called Shakira an Airhead

Maybe I misread but when you said she was a Shakira wannabe and then talked about her air head schtick I concluded that youthought Shakira was an air head, too.

If you've seen Shakira perform then I can't imagine why you wouldn't see her genius. She mixes and interprets so many musical styles - and she does it WELL - unlike anyone. She's also GORGEOUS - not so much in the sense of "hot" but flat out GORGEOUS as in every move she makes is poetry in motion.

So what exactly is so "Original" about this Perla?
Yea, she sang a Blondie song (quite medicore IMO) on purpose but,
as soon as the "Shakira" remark came up from one of the judges,
TOTAL change in attitude. She jumped right into that Shakira tracked
like she'd done a million times in front of her mirror at home.
THAT is where your Perla is most comfortable and THAT is why she
will not go very far. There is really nothing original there.
Her look? Blatant Shakira knock-off.
Her voice? Shakira, Estafan, maybe a hint of 80s Madonna...
But absolutely nothing original being brought to the table.

Like I said, she has a genuine playfulness which is the drive behind her performance. I haven't seen that kind of playfulness in any of the other contestants.

But then again, NONE of the contestants really are completely
original.
Clarkson? Hints of Christina, Whitney and other Divas the year she won.
Taylor? Cocker, McDonald, Ray Charles...
Daughtry? Stapp, Scallions, Kroeger and any other Alt-Grungey rocker out there.
Rueben, Clay, McPhee, Bo Bice, Underwood...
They ALL weren't completely original; they all 'subtly' mimiced thier idols.
The one person that I truely thought was the most original at times?
Fantascia.

I think you're bound to hear/see influences in any good performer. When I first heard Steve Perry I also heard Sam Cooke. Originality doesn't necessarily mean something entirely unheard/unseen before. I think it's more properly applied as a creative ability to be expressive in an independent manner. Steve Perry took elements of Sam Cooke and expressed them in his way. I think Perla does the same with Shakira.

Fantasia was definitely original and that's why she was so stunning.

[Rockindeano]

Fire,

You really need to let this Latin fetish go. Try to logon to a Beaner Board some fucking place.

Jesus H Christ, already. That's Gee-sus, not Hey-zues.

[Wheels Of Fyre]

1. Everyone baits, no one is immune to this including myself, of course not all of us are MASTERS at it.

I don't bait. Period. I have far better things to do. I believe what I say and say what I believe.

2. Man, this one is just too easy, you say you dont like to find differences but in the same sentence you say you look for what is unique in people.(which is to stand from the rest,or to be different from all others)

No.

1. Difference: the state or relation of being different; dissimilarity: There is a great difference between the two.
2. Unique: existing as the only one or as the sole example; single; solitary in type or characteristics.

See the difference?

DIFFERENT: you're different than me in that you use graphics to convey your thoughts in discussion forums.

UNIQUE: you're unique in using graphics to convey a thought in a discussion forum.

Personally, I don't care how you compare to me or anyone else. I seek out what's unique about you.[/quote]

[Wheels Of Fyre]

Fire,

You really need to let this Latin fetish go. Try to logon to a Beaner Board some fucking place.

Jesus H Christ, already. That's Gee-sus, not Hey-zues.

Even if JSS, Neal, JC, RV, and DC came in here and told me I was out of my mind I would NOT stop believin'.

I'm delusional remember.

[Behshad]

Fire,

You really need to let this Latin fetish go. Try to logon to a Beaner Board some fucking place.

Jesus H Christ, already. That's Gee-sus, not Hey-zues.

Hey your points are valid and all, but if you gonna fuckin cuss, you better change that fuckin avatar ,,, its very confusin when "Devil Dean and "Revrend Dean" appear together. and a bit scary too...

[ohsherrie]

Fire,

You really need to let this Latin fetish go. Try to logon to a Beaner Board some fucking place.

Jesus H Christ, already. That's Gee-sus, not Hey-zues.

Hey your points are valid and all, but if you gonna fuckin cuss, you better change that fuckin avatar ,,, its very confusin when "Devil Dean and "Revrend Dean" appear together. and a bit scary too...

[Carlitto H@kk]

If you've seen Shakira perform then I can't imagine why you wouldn't see her genius. She mixes and interprets so many musical styles - and she does it WELL - unlike anyone. She's also GORGEOUS - not so much in the sense of "hot" but flat out GORGEOUS as in every move she makes is poetry in motion.

I've seen Shakira perform...
She sings and she dances... WOW
And Perla is gorgeous??? So what...
Anne Wilson isn't that much to look at these days
but she can sing Perla AND Shakira (they could even do a duet)
into the freakin; ground.
Looks mean absolutely nothing.

Like I said, she has a genuine playfulness which is the drive behind her performance. I haven't seen that kind of playfulness in any of the other contestants.

So did 60% of all the other Idol-Wannabes over the years
and it didn't really get them all that far...

[yulog]

1. Everyone baits, no one is immune to this including myself, of course not all of us are MASTERS at it.

I don't bait. Period. I have far better things to do. I believe what I say and say what I believe.

2. Man, this one is just too easy, you say you dont like to find differences but in the same sentence you say you look for what is unique in people.(which is to stand from the rest,or to be different from all others)

No.

1. Difference: the state or relation of being different; dissimilarity: There is a great difference between the two.
2. Unique: existing as the only one or as the sole example; single; solitary in type or characteristics.

See the difference?

DIFFERENT: you're different than me in that you use graphics to convey your thoughts in discussion forums.

UNIQUE: you're unique in using graphics to convey a thought in a discussion forum.

Personally, I don't care how you compare to me or anyone else. I seek out what's unique about you.

[/quote]




I thought you didnt like to compare and yet above you just did---discrepancy!

You baited another person on another forum by bringing in racism into the conversation when it was not part of the conversation.(you enticed ,lured several people into that coversation by pulling the race card out---that was and is the epitome of baiting ,again clearly by its definition)--if you dont want to come to terms with that--its on you(we all Know that you bait, especially in that example)


Your definitions of different and unique only show that you use the terms correctly in sentences--they still both convey that i am different in both sentences regardless of how you mix up the sentence--the gist is that i'm different than others because i use graphics to convey thoughts ---the first sentence , it is clearly stating the difference between you and i , in the second it implies i'm different than others---its just not specific to who i'm different from----

This is pretty clear cut stuff --if you were to look up the word "unique" in a thesaurus i would bet money that the word "different" would have to come up as one of the top answers.


Still waiting for a description of your kids, good luck trying to do that without comparing or showing differences.

[Blueskies]

If you've seen Shakira perform then I can't imagine why you wouldn't see her genius. She mixes and interprets so many musical styles - and she does it WELL - unlike anyone. She's also GORGEOUS - not so much in the sense of "hot" but flat out GORGEOUS as in every move she makes is poetry in motion.

I've seen Shakira perform...
She sings and she dances... WOW
And Perla is gorgeous??? So what...
Anne Wilson isn't that much to look at these days
but she can sing Perla AND Shakira (they could even do a duet)
into the freakin; ground.
Looks mean absolutely nothing.

Like I said, she has a genuine playfulness which is the drive behind her performance. I haven't seen that kind of playfulness in any of the other contestants.

So did 60% of all the other Idol-Wannabes over the years
and it didn't really get them all that far...

Good post Carllitto!....I agree ...who cares what anyone looks like...it's the voice I want to hear. If your listening to a cd your not seeing them...you want to hear good singing. ....and I agree....these people cant even come close to Ann Wilson. Thats the problem alot of times now....they go for image over substance. I'll take substance anyday.

[Wheels Of Fyre]

If you've seen Shakira perform then I can't imagine why you wouldn't see her genius. She mixes and interprets so many musical styles - and she does it WELL - unlike anyone. She's also GORGEOUS - not so much in the sense of "hot" but flat out GORGEOUS as in every move she makes is poetry in motion.

I've seen Shakira perform...
She sings and she dances... WOW
And Perla is gorgeous??? So what...
Anne Wilson isn't that much to look at these days
but she can sing Perla AND Shakira (they could even do a duet)
into the freakin; ground.
Looks mean absolutely nothing.

Hold the fort. I didn't say Perla is gorgeous. I said Shakira is and NOT in the sense of hot but in the sense that every move she makes is choreogrphed poetry.

Like I said, she has a genuine playfulness which is the drive behind her performance. I haven't seen that kind of playfulness in any of the other contestants.

So did 60% of all the other Idol-Wannabes over the years
and it didn't really get them all that far...

I don't think you considered my statement entirely. The key is to use her playfulness as THE DRIVE BEHIND HER PERFORMANCE.

To be entertaining as a performer you MUST have a drive or motivation behind your performance. Katherine McPhee is a great example. She CLEARLY is a superior singer however she lacked a clear and recognizable drive.

[Wheels Of Fyre]

If you've seen Shakira perform then I can't imagine why you wouldn't see her genius. She mixes and interprets so many musical styles - and she does it WELL - unlike anyone. She's also GORGEOUS - not so much in the sense of "hot" but flat out GORGEOUS as in every move she makes is poetry in motion.

I've seen Shakira perform...
She sings and she dances... WOW
And Perla is gorgeous??? So what...
Anne Wilson isn't that much to look at these days
but she can sing Perla AND Shakira (they could even do a duet)
into the freakin; ground.
Looks mean absolutely nothing.

Like I said, she has a genuine playfulness which is the drive behind her performance. I haven't seen that kind of playfulness in any of the other contestants.

So did 60% of all the other Idol-Wannabes over the years
and it didn't really get them all that far...

Good post Carllitto!....I agree ...who cares what anyone looks like...it's the voice I want to hear. If your listening to a cd your not seeing them...you want to hear good singing. ....and I agree....these people cant even come close to Ann Wilson. Thats the problem alot of times now....they go for image over substance. I'll take substance anyday.

The Beatles understood the power of image. KISS most certainly did. Any GOOD performer does!

You have to have BOTH image and voice. It's pretty much ALWAYS been that way. If you're REALLY good then you'll have a nice balance between the two.

[NealIsGod]

Unfortunately, image does matter now. Back in the old days, pre-MTV, it didn't matter as much.

[Wheels Of Fyre]

1. Everyone baits, no one is immune to this including myself, of course not all of us are MASTERS at it.

I don't bait. Period. I have far better things to do. I believe what I say and say what I believe.

2. Man, this one is just too easy, you say you dont like to find differences but in the same sentence you say you look for what is unique in people.(which is to stand from the rest,or to be different from all others)

No.

1. Difference: the state or relation of being different; dissimilarity: There is a great difference between the two.
2. Unique: existing as the only one or as the sole example; single; solitary in type or characteristics.

See the difference?

DIFFERENT: you're different than me in that you use graphics to convey your thoughts in discussion forums.

UNIQUE: you're unique in using graphics to convey a thought in a discussion forum.

Personally, I don't care how you compare to me or anyone else. I seek out what's unique about you.

I thought you didnt like to compare and yet above you just did---discrepancy![/quote]

When I spoke of comparisons I was clearly talking about comparing PEOPLE and not the definition of WORDS.

You baited another person on another forum by bringing in racism into the conversation when it was not part of the conversation.(you enticed ,lured several people into that coversation by pulling the race card out---that was and is the epitome of baiting ,again clearly by its definition)--if you dont want to come to terms with that--its on you(we all Know that you bait, especially in that example)

All I can tell you is that I CHALLENGED the INTENT of what was posted. I know what's in my heart. Whatever you want to believe - that's up to you.

Your definitions of different and unique only show that you use the terms correctly in sentences--they still both convey that i am different in both sentences regardless of how you mix up the sentence--the gist is that i'm different than others because i use graphics to convey thoughts ---the first sentence , it is clearly stating the difference between you and i , in the second it implies i'm different than others---its just not specific to who i'm different from----

The second implies NOT that you're different than others but rather that your use of graphics is unique. Everyone uses graphics. I do. YOUR USE is UNIQUE. Just as a group of artists may use painting as a medium. Bob Ross was unique in how he used it as was Da Vinci; etc.

This is pretty clear cut stuff --if you were to look up the word "unique" in a thesaurus i would bet money that the word "different" would have to come up as one of the top answers.

I don't believe so but please do and let me know!

Still waiting for a description of your kids, good luck trying to do that without comparing or showing differences.

Describing my children doesn't require that I compare them to each other and/or show any differences.

[Wheels Of Fyre]

Unfortunately, image does matter now. Back in the old days, pre-MTV, it didn't matter as much.

Absolutely. It matters more now than ever before. It's sad to see it sometimes matter MORE than actual talent however people said the same things about Elvis and The Beatles. Elvis was nothing more than a hip-wiggling (maybe the first real "wiggler" in history) thug and The Beatles were nothing more than Elvis wanna-be's.

[NealIsGod]

I will say that Idol lets people through if they can sing well, regardless of how they look. Remember the Fidel Castro-looking guy?

[Wheels Of Fyre]

I will say that Idol lets people through if they can sing well, regardless of how they look. Remember the Fidel Castro-looking guy?

They've grown into that. The first season they were ridiculed anyone who had a pimple on their nose or were slightly over weight.

[NealIsGod]

I will say that Idol lets people through if they can sing well, regardless of how they look. Remember the Fidel Castro-looking guy?

They've grown into that. The first season they were ridiculed anyone who had a pimple on their nose or were slightly over weight.

I guess they can't afford to be picky anymore. It's not like Rueben, Fantasia or Taylor are matineee idols.

I remember Taylor's audition - Simon didn't like him. I was surprised he got thru, but he proved himself.

Did you see the girl last night who got a second chance? When she was singing the first time, I thought she was great. They were too worried about her facial expressions. She should be able to work on that. Glad they actually sent someone outside to bring her back in.

[Blueskies]

Isnt it very fortunite for us that image was not always the most important thing and talent was considered first?......In the days of radio talent was what mattered. There were many people who were given the chance because they had great talent. If it was based on image we would have missed out on so much .... Aretha Franklin, Roy Orbison, Tony Bennett, Bob Dylan, Bette Midler, Stevie Ray Vaughn, Willie Nelson........just to name a few. We would have missed out if it was based more on their looks then their great talent. Fortunitely, today, there are some people that are still able to make it based on their talent...even if they are not considered by "someones" definition of beauty......but by the beauty of their talent.

[ohsherrie]

Did you see the girl last night who got a second chance? When she was singing the first time, I thought she was great. They were too worried about her facial expressions. She should be able to work on that. Glad they actually sent someone outside to bring her back in.

I thought that little girl did a good job too. I didn't see her first song, I just heard it so I didn't know what they were talking about with the facial expressions. She looked really cute when I saw her second chance.

I don't understand why they even worry about their presentation or stage presense in those early auditions. If the people can sing the rest of it can be fixed. Look at the way a lot of them are transformed during the process. Clay Aiken for example. They made fun of his appearance and facial expressions, but by the end of it he'd had a complete makeover.

[Wheels Of Fyre]

I will say that Idol lets people through if they can sing well, regardless of how they look. Remember the Fidel Castro-looking guy?

They've grown into that. The first season they were ridiculed anyone who had a pimple on their nose or were slightly over weight.

I guess they can't afford to be picky anymore. It's not like Rueben, Fantasia or Taylor are matineee idols.

I remember Taylor's audition - Simon didn't like him. I was surprised he got thru, but he proved himself.

Did you see the girl last night who got a second chance? When she was singing the first time, I thought she was great. They were too worried about her facial expressions. She should be able to work on that. Glad they actually sent someone outside to bring her back in.

I swear to God (or in this case, Neal) that when I saw Taylor's audition I KNEW he was going to win. I know people won't believe it but it's true what I've posted here about picking the winners from their first auditions.

Simon definitely didn't like Taylor and also predicted that Randy and Paula would never pick him to be in the top 12. Taylor's the bomb. I immediately heard Ray Charles and Joe Cocker influences BUT his interpretation of them was/is very original. Haven't heard a voice like his come around in a long time. I think in Taylor's case (and the others yo umentioned) that his image isn't one of "good looks". He's not horrible to look at, etiher. He projects an old soul which is befitting of his voice.

I got home VERY late last night due to weather but did see that girl at the very end. She's superb. Her facial expressions are fine for a large stage presentation. I think they're concerned that they're too much for close-up stuff. The thing I didn't like about them is that they didn't seem natural - like she choreographed them. That was fine for Marilyn Monroe but comes across as rather phony or contrived when the contestant pulled them.

[Wheels Of Fyre]

Did you see the girl last night who got a second chance? When she was singing the first time, I thought she was great. They were too worried about her facial expressions. She should be able to work on that. Glad they actually sent someone outside to bring her back in.

I thought that little girl did a good job too. I didn't see her first song, I just heard it so I didn't know what they were talking about with the facial expressions. She looked really cute when I saw her second chance.

I don't understand why they even worry about their presentation or stage presense in those early auditions. If the people can sing the rest of it can be fixed. Look at the way a lot of them are transformed during the process. Clay Aiken for example. They made fun of his appearance and facial expressions, but by the end of it he'd had a complete makeover.

I find the transformations that the contestants go through very fascinating. Not only physical transformations but also their vocal and performance transformations. This is what draws me to the show.

[larryfromnextdoor]

I swear to God (or in this case, Neal)

gosh

[Wheels Of Fyre]

Isnt it very fortunite for us that image was not always the most important thing and talent was considered first?......In the days of radio talent was what mattered. There were many people who were given the chance because they had great talent. If it was based on image we would have missed out on so much .... Aretha Franklin, Roy Orbison, Tony Bennett, Bob Dylan, Bette Midler, Stevie Ray Vaughn, Willie Nelson........just to name a few. We would have missed out if it was based more on their looks then their great talent. Fortunitely, today, there are some people that are still able to make it based on their talent...even if they are not considered by "someones" definition of beauty......but by the beauty of their talent.

It's kind of like the transition from silent movies to talkies. Actors who had lousy speaking voices but excellent mime/acting abilities could be successful in silent movies. So many of them couldn't make the transition. Georgia Hale who starred in Charlie Chaplin's Gold Rush had an attractive and vibrant screen presence however she sounded like Sylvester the Cat!

[Saint John]

That Americans are embracing the Latino culture more now than ever despite the hysteria regarding illegal Mexicans.

Rather than "embracing" anyone, we should make sure that they a) enter the country legally b) speak the language c) realize that soccer is NOT a sport. To quote Mike Ditka, "If God wanted us to play soccer he wouldn't have given us arms." And if "Latino culture" is such a good thing, how come all of their country's are absolute shitholes? The "melting pot" hath runneth over.

PS Raising 5-8 kids on welfare is probably not a good idea, either.

[yogi]

Saint John,

I COULDNT AGREE with you more!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ohsherrie]

That Americans are embracing the Latino culture more now than ever despite the hysteria regarding illegal Mexicans.

Rather than "embracing" anyone, we should make sure that they a) enter the country legally b) speak the language

PS Raising 5-8 kids on welfare is probably not a good idea, either.

And there ya go. Tellin' it like it is. (Soccer's not that big an issue with me. )

[Carlitto H@kk]

That Americans are embracing the Latino culture more now than ever despite the hysteria regarding illegal Mexicans.

Rather than "embracing" anyone, we should make sure that they a) enter the country legally b) speak the language

PS Raising 5-8 kids on welfare is probably not a good idea, either.

And there ya go. Tellin' it like it is. (Soccer's not that big an issue with me. )

Oh but Holy Hell!!!
David Beckham and is
'spicey' little wife are coming to
America this year!!!
Soccer is gonna be bigger than the NFL
in America by 2009

[Wheels Of Fyre]

That Americans are embracing the Latino culture more now than ever despite the hysteria regarding illegal Mexicans.

Rather than "embracing" anyone, we should make sure that they a) enter the country legally b) speak the language c) realize that soccer is NOT a sport. To quote Mike Ditka, "If God wanted us to play soccer he wouldn't have given us arms." And if "Latino culture" is such a good thing, how come all of their country's are absolute shitholes? The "melting pot" hath runneth over.

PS Raising 5-8 kids on welfare is probably not a good idea, either.

That's a truly ignorant and defamatory remark. You really have no idea what you're talking about.

[ohsherrie]

That Americans are embracing the Latino culture more now than ever despite the hysteria regarding illegal Mexicans.

Rather than "embracing" anyone, we should make sure that they a) enter the country legally b) speak the language

PS Raising 5-8 kids on welfare is probably not a good idea, either.

And there ya go. Tellin' it like it is. (Soccer's not that big an issue with me. )

Oh but Holy Hell!!!
David Beckham and is
'spicey' little wife are coming to
America this year!!!
Soccer is gonna be bigger than the NFL
in America by 2009

Oh that't right. How could I have forgotten?