Transcript of the US 'friendly fire' Video

[strangegrey]

I also think your estimated number of civilian deaths in Iraq is a lot higher than it really is.

It's a common misconception and trumped-up number to create impressions of illegitimacy to this war.

The fact of the matter is that the number of 'iraqi civilian' dead goes up every time we kill an armed insurgent/terrorist/al-quaida, etc over there. You'll notice that the only other 'butchers bill' that has been tabulated for this war has been 'iraqi army dead' that number stopped climbing the day the iraqi government was officially taken down. This is the only number that's climbing....

The media and liberals of this country are hell bent to have people think that that number is made up of innocent women and children. There are far more insurgents/al-quaida/terrorists/syrians/iranians/etc in that so-called number than anything else.

[Melissa]

I got a rock.



See you all in Florida!

LOL!!

You guys drive safe and see you Thursday night/Friday morning!

Safe trips to you Pam and Ed! Lynn.....I would wish you a safe trip, but you don't have far to go!

Well, Clearwater is a 2 hour drive, so you can still wish it Thanks You too!!!!

I'm driving so Lynn may not be that safe lol j/k

[txfirefighter]

I got a rock.



See you all in Florida!

LOL!!

You guys drive safe and see you Thursday night/Friday morning!

Safe trips to you Pam and Ed! Lynn.....I would wish you a safe trip, but you don't have far to go!

Well, Clearwater is a 2 hour drive, so you can still wish it Thanks You too!!!!

I'm driving so Lynn may not be that safe lol j/k

What time are you leaving Orlando to drive to Clearwater? I might want to make sure you have a good head start on us!

[jrnychick]

I've heard several people say on the news that this war and any other war in the middle east cannot go on without some sacrifice from all Americans. It will be interesting to see opinions about this war when all of us are asked to make a sacrifice. I've heard/read the army can only go so far, the economy can only go so far. Hope I'm wrong, but if this does go on and on, how do you all think we can keep it going on and on?

I pulled Fredinator's question from page 2, because I think it's an interesting question and no one (that I read) really addressed it. I don't think many Americans today know what it means to really make sacrifices for the good of the country. That's why we often refer to the generation who fought in WWII as "the greatest generation." When it comes to making overall sacrifices by the general population, Britain during WWII I believe has us beat.

My mom was born in England in 1939. When she was born, her dad was already in the military and off to fight the Germans. My mom's earliest memories are of feeling hungry every night, because there were never enough rations. They only had meat when a neighbor would have an extra rabbit or something from a good hunt. Their main source of vegetables was what they could grow in their garden. My mom does remember stealing vegetables from a local farm with her mom when they were really starving. She also remembers several occasions when her mom didn't eat all day because she didn't want her daughter to go hungry. She also remembers the air raids at night. She said when the sirens went off, everyone put out the lights and drew the black curtains to make themselves invisible to the bombers flying overhead. She and her mom would sleep under the table in the pitch black in their dining room. Luckily, their little town was never bombed. My grandad, I believe came home for good in 1944 or 45. He had a leg injury, so he spent the last few years of his time in the military riding messenger bikes in London.


So, are we ready for that kind of sacrifice? I don't think so. I think the minute we start feeling any pain in our individual pocketbooks regarding this war, the general public will be clamouring for us to get out of there. In terms of actually sacrificing our material items and our food, that will never happen.

[Melissa]

I got a rock.



See you all in Florida!

LOL!!

You guys drive safe and see you Thursday night/Friday morning!

Safe trips to you Pam and Ed! Lynn.....I would wish you a safe trip, but you don't have far to go!

Well, Clearwater is a 2 hour drive, so you can still wish it Thanks You too!!!!

I'm driving so Lynn may not be that safe lol j/k

What time are you leaving Orlando to drive to Clearwater? I might want to make sure you have a good head start on us!

lol- not 100% positive, I'm attending a memorial in memory of my mother first in the a.m., then picking up Lynn & heading out after that

[txfirefighter]

I got a rock.



See you all in Florida!

LOL!!

You guys drive safe and see you Thursday night/Friday morning!

Safe trips to you Pam and Ed! Lynn.....I would wish you a safe trip, but you don't have far to go!

Well, Clearwater is a 2 hour drive, so you can still wish it Thanks You too!!!!

I'm driving so Lynn may not be that safe lol j/k

What time are you leaving Orlando to drive to Clearwater? I might want to make sure you have a good head start on us!

lol- not 100% positive, I'm attending a memorial in memory of my mother first in the a.m., then picking up Lynn & heading out after that

Okay...prayers for you Friday morning.

[Behshad]

I also think your estimated number of civilian deaths in Iraq is a lot higher than it really is.

How do YOU figure!?
People die on a daily basis over there and some cases they dont even have a way to keep record of the actual death toll.
The numbers that we get from the Iraqi goverment are WAY lower than what they actually are.
I dont wanna belive the high numbers of 655,000 that the US media suggested either , but I dont think the 150,000 was that far off .

[Barb]

I also think your estimated number of civilian deaths in Iraq is a lot higher than it really is.

How do YOU figure!?
People die on a daily basis over there and some cases they dont even have a way to keep record of the actual death toll.
The numbers that we get from the Iraqi goverment are WAY lower than what they actually are.
I dont wanna belive the high numbers of 655,000 that the US media suggested either , but I dont think the 150,000 was that far off .

http://www.iraqbodycount.net/database/

[Saint John]

61,000 over 4 years? That isn't bad. Hussein's regime averaged MORE than that over his years as dictator.

[conversationpc]

Everytime one of THEM comes over here there is trouble and they always bait Dean...ALWAYS..its a shame but sometimes he takes the bait because he is tired of getting trashed all the time...sometimes there are moments that u just have to respond.....

I loved it when they called me an old bag and a gold digger and a few other things...they just don't know when to quit!!!

Dean, just remember, PAYBACKS ARE HELL, and they will get theirs someday....

Give me a flipping break. Deano doesn't need anyone to bait him for his bad behavior to show up. Besides that, most of the members of The Journey Forums were members here first, so we don't come from over there. We are already here.

Some of you Deano disciples drink up everything he says, like you're worshipping him and that he's infallible. He's obviously not.

I've given Dean the benefit of the doubt many times and stayed out of his famous rants. However, he attacked Barb, who has been an online friend of mine for several years now and I wasn't about to put up with it. Barb certainly didn't bait him and I defy you to show the proof where she did.

[Wally_Hatchet]

i really don't think the american people know all that's going on. like i said in another post we're only fed 10% of the information... and most of that is from the media... filtered info. so i have to believe our goverment knows what they are doing. they see a bigger picture...

True words of wisdom! NO ONE, including Congress, knows more about what is REALLY going on than GWB and his Generals.

Bush said RIGHT AFTER 9-11 that this war would be a LONG, DIFFICULT WAR. He also said it is a war on terroirism, not just Bin Laden and Al Quada.

Wars are NOT won by popularity polls!

[Behshad]

I also think your estimated number of civilian deaths in Iraq is a lot higher than it really is.

How do YOU figure!?
People die on a daily basis over there and some cases they dont even have a way to keep record of the actual death toll.
The numbers that we get from the Iraqi goverment are WAY lower than what they actually are.
I dont wanna belive the high numbers of 655,000 that the US media suggested either , but I dont think the 150,000 was that far off .

http://www.iraqbodycount.net/database/

But that database of yours is way off when it comes to actual lives lost,,,, That just represent the deaths that WE KNOW of....
I belive that for every life lost that we know of, theres at least one that we dont know of.

And even if your numbers were right on the money, that still is way too many people killed. If we're killin as many people as Saddam did each year, then I dont see the benefits of out help there. Again that just my opinion.

[Barb]

I also think your estimated number of civilian deaths in Iraq is a lot higher than it really is.

How do YOU figure!?
People die on a daily basis over there and some cases they dont even have a way to keep record of the actual death toll.
The numbers that we get from the Iraqi goverment are WAY lower than what they actually are.
I dont wanna belive the high numbers of 655,000 that the US media suggested either , but I dont think the 150,000 was that far off .

http://www.iraqbodycount.net/database/

But that database of yours is way off when it comes to actual lives lost,,,, That just represent the deaths that WE KNOW of....
I belive that for every life lost that we know of, theres at least one that we dont know of.

And even if your numbers were right on the money, that still is way too many people killed. If we're killin as many people as Saddam did each year, then I dont see the benefits of out help there. Again that just my opinion.

It's not my database, LOL. Sorry it doesn't state the numbers you desire.

[conversationpc]

But that database of yours is way off when it comes to actual lives lost,,,, That just represent the deaths that WE KNOW of....I belive that for every life lost that we know of, theres at least one that we dont know of.

You can believe it all you want. That won't make it so.

And even if your numbers were right on the money, that still is way too many people killed. If we're killin as many people as Saddam did each year, then I dont see the benefits of out help there. Again that just my opinion.

Civilians are killed in all wars. It really sucks that it happens, but it does. That doesn't make each one of them a war that shouldn't have been fought. Thanks to modern technology and precision weapons, the casualties are now far fewer than they were even just 20 years ago.

[NealIsGod]

[Barb]

But that database of yours is way off when it comes to actual lives lost,,,, That just represent the deaths that WE KNOW of....I belive that for every life lost that we know of, theres at least one that we dont know of.

You can believe it all you want. That won't make it so.

And even if your numbers were right on the money, that still is way too many people killed. If we're killin as many people as Saddam did each year, then I dont see the benefits of out help there. Again that just my opinion.

Civilians are killed in all wars. It really sucks that it happens, but it does. That doesn't make each one of them a war that shouldn't have been fought. Thanks to modern technology and precision weapons, the casualties are now far fewer than they were even just 20 years ago.

Not to mention that a lot of these killings are not done by us, but by terrorists and now the religious factions fighting each other -- oh, and Iran.

[Red13JoePa]

Collateral damage is always a regrettable necessary evil.

[mystichealer]

Dude, with all due respect,
what the fuck was the point in posting this stuff?
I'm curious as to where you got it...
Honestly, this kinda shit doesn't need posted
or discussed here...

Thats all over the news, dude,,,
I thought we could discuss politics here....
I forgot to get it approved by you, sorry....
Point was to point out to those who think the war is like a videogame.

I guess I'm upset because this is near and dear to me...
That transcript is exactly the kind of "real world" intel I can
read everynight in 'real time' over a secure network
while our jets are in the air, especially over in the Box.
I find it disheartening that this stuff was released to the public.
Those 2 A10 pilots, my heart goes out to them.

I love reading all the war debates in here (notice how I stay out of them?)
but getting a conversation going on something this tragic and this devestating
to the pilots of those A10s, to me, is just not for these forums...

I'm done.
Won't bother with this thread any longer.
Just wanted to vent...

Carlitto, with all due respect, i find your comments somewhat disturbing.

Firstly, your heart goes out to the A10 pilots?? Why?? These 2 pilots broke around 7 rules of combat according to news articles. One of these was to go it alone without waiting for confirmation that the targets they were about to bomb were either Allied troops or the enemy. Or do you consider the UK the enemy.
These 2 pilots should be in jail, but instead they are now promoted to training pilots on how to bomb. Absolutely degrading.

My heart goes out to the family of Matty Hull, you know the soldier that these 2 bombers butchered. They should be locked up for a long time. Suggest you read up on how many UK soldiers have been slain in these kind of fuckups. Its attempted cover ups like this that are widening the ever increasing gap between our 2 countries.

Andrew may i suggest that this thread be closed now before i really start to vent my fuckin frustration here.

[conversationpc]

Andrew may i suggest that this thread be closed now before i really start to vent my fuckin frustration here.

There's no reason for it to be closed. Other than Deano's explosion, there's nothing else here to warrant it being locked.

[Matthew]

The media and liberals of this country are hell bent to have people think that that number is made up of innocent women and children. There are far more insurgents/al-quaida/terrorists/syrians/iranians/etc in that so-called number than anything else.

That is utterly absurd. Yes, there are a number of different figures for the death toll in Iraq and we can't be entirely sure what the truth is - but no-one can deny that tens of thousands of civilians have lost their lives. It's true that US and British forces aren't directly responsible for the majority of these deaths - terrorists/insurgents clearly are - but to say that the majority of victims are terrorists is laughable.

As for all the blase talk of collateral damage...well, I'm sure most Americans would be insulted if they encountered such complacent comments about the civilian casulaties on 9/11 - or even military casulaties in Iraq.

Honestly - reading some of the posts in this thread - it's no wonder the international perception of America is that it is a brash, self-pitying country which can barely conceal its hatred of and ignorance about the Islamic world.

I'm not for a second defending or excusing the Islamic maniacs who attack us in the West - but equally a lot of people on the American right need to take a long, hard look at themselves too. And thankfully that is happening...as most of the prominent neocons and traditional Republican party leaders - and voters - are now distancing themselves from the Bush administration.

[conversationpc]

Honestly - reading some of the posts in this thread - it's no wonder the international perception of America is that it is a brash, self-pitying country which can barely conceal its hatred of and ignorance about the Midle East.

...and it's been evident from some of your posts in the past just why Americans consider Europeans to be snooty and unaware just how in jeopardy your countries are to Islamic extremists. Look at what's happening in regards to the Islamic community there. People are afraid in many European countries to say what they think about radical elements within the Muslim community for fear that they will be labeled as hatemongers or even just politically incorrect. Talk about people who are ignorant of the Middle East.

[NealIsGod]

So how bout that crazy astronaut chick, huh?

[Barb]

So how bout that crazy astronaut chick, huh?

LOL! I just can't get past the diapers thing. What a loon!

[Barb]

double post

[conversationpc]

So how bout that crazy astronaut chick, huh?

We can always count on you for some comic relief.

[Melissa]

So how bout that crazy astronaut chick, huh?

lol- heard about the diaper thing this morning...why didn't she just bring along the pee-pee vacuum from the shuttle?? LOL

[NealIsGod]

Sorry, didn't mean to hijack the thread. Please continue the political debate.

[ohsherrie]

So how bout that crazy astronaut chick, huh?

How bizarre was that? Maybe being in space for that long does something to some peoples' brains.

[conversationpc]

So how bout that crazy astronaut chick, huh?

How bizarre was that? Maybe being in space for that long does something to some peoples' brains.

Kinda like being on the melodicrock.com message boards for an extended period of time...

[ohsherrie]

So how bout that crazy astronaut chick, huh?

How bizarre was that? Maybe being in space for that long does something to some peoples' brains.

Kinda like being on the melodicrock.com message boards for an extended period of time...

I'm sure it's not nearly as much fun though.