Carlitto H@kk wrote:Barb wrote:My comment about the Iraqi people comes from frustration that they themselves seem to be unwilling to step up and do the hard work of fighting for their own country. If you can't stand up and fight for what is yours, you will have to accept your fate. How many of our soldiers and yours will die or become maimed for life because the people they are fighting to protect won't do the hard work themselves? Granted, some of them are very willing and extremely brave, but not enough. After 4 years, I expected more from them.
Barb, you're talking about a people trhat have been bred in a culture of fear, terror and oppression for hundreds of years. You just can't change that kind of mentality over-night. They demograghic in that country that will bve relied upon to 'take control back' were also denied the kinds of schooling and training that we take for granted in other countries. They have ALOT to learn before they can do it all on thier own.
And sadly, they are still living in that fear and state of terror even though we are there. You don't here much about all the killing and raping that is still going on throughout the country in the smaller areas the Allied Forces can't always reach. You don't here about the extremist still entrenched in these communities, the on-going mass murders or all the means in which they use to try and defeat the "infidels". Maybe you haven't heard how these nutjobs will send unsuspecting children to do thier dirty work: they will bury explosives in bags filled with food and send these children over to greet Allied Forces in the streets or at checkpoints, only to try and kill some of our troops and blowing up the unsuspecting child in the act. The terror these people are STILL facing is horrendous and it is going to take time for them to be able to regain control. I hate going there but I know why we are there. NO COUNTRY or Culture should have to live that way.
I agree with you Carl. Iraq and its people has been under dictatorship for too long and it takes a long time to get things straight there. However the main reason I dissagree with this war is, when we went to this war, our objectives and goals were not what theyve turned into.
We initiated the war to search , find and detroy WMD's (if we found any). But once we got in and couldnt find anything, we changed direction and concentrated on Iraq's problems. Now I know that almost every war change's its course during the time its going on, but I personaly think that our country has more problems to deal with than Iraq's problem.
I think if we're thinkin of helping any country in need, we should , but after we have helped our own people . If we have problems in our own country such as :major health insurance issues , the elderly struggling with their lowered SSI's, Unemployment, the homeles etc, shouldnt we take care of that first?
And if our war is really against terrorism, dont you think that Iraq is not in the top 3 countries supporting and harboring terrorism ( Syria, Iran, Afghanistan, Lebanon are all more involved than Iraq).
Bush promised us in 2001 that he will find those responsible for 9/11 and bring them to justice. A problem he hasnt kept. But if he wouldve focused on Afghanistan back in October of 2001 , chances are we wouldve has better results than we do now.
I think you agree with me when I say that Bin Laden is a much greater threat to the world than Saddam ever was. Saddam was put in his place by Bush Sr during Desert Storm and he was in no way harmful to the rest of the world. And yes I know he was cruel to his own people, but we were slowly making a progress there too with the sanctions, the restricted flying zone and the overall controll we had over him watching every single move he made .
If we wanted to deal with him , we couldve AFTER we wouldve captured Bin Laden. You can not tell me itd be harder to find Bin Laden in Afghanistan than findin Saddam in Iraq. Sure , Afghanistan has more mountains and terrains unknown to us, but theyre army consists of bunch of mens runnin around with their guns left over from 20 years ago fighting with Russia, and wearing the exact same pants MC Hammer wore, also 20 years ago! With our advantage in technology, troops,weapons etc , we couldve covered the entire country in less than 6 months and finsihed the job.
I think the main problem I have with Bush is he has his priorities mixed up! And as the president of the worlds most powerful nation, its one of the most important things in my opinion to HAVE A PLAN based on logic, common sense and PRIORITIES.
red, you posted this in the wrong thread,, im staying out of this one man!!
with a biker club called the Beer Whores),, id love to play strip Chess with some of these geniuses that post here,, lets see what they look like... yikes... 
as far as Carl,, im renting A Flock of Seagulls for his coming back party,,
:lol: this is my fav or yours..
