New Ross Valory interview...

[****]

I still think to this day the only thing radio and record companies will back is with Perry.

Yeah, Perry in his prime. That's why the record companies are clamoring to get him back in the biz.

Is his voice shot too?

No, it's "mature".

Gotcha

[ohsherrie]

I still think to this day the only thing radio and record companies will back is with Perry.

Yeah, Perry in his prime. That's why the record companies are clamoring to get him back in the biz.

Is his voice shot too?

No, it's "mature".

Gotcha

Yeah Kim, it's matured beautifully with soulful resonance.

[NealIsGod]

I still think to this day the only thing radio and record companies will back is with Perry.

Yeah, Perry in his prime. That's why the record companies are clamoring to get him back in the biz.

Is his voice shot too?

No, it's "mature".

Gotcha

Yeah Kim, it's matured beautifully with soulful resonance.

Yeah, if you really listen to the couple of BG vox he has recorded over the last 10 years, you can hear it.

[ohsherrie]

I still think to this day the only thing radio and record companies will back is with Perry.

Yeah, Perry in his prime. That's why the record companies are clamoring to get him back in the biz.

Is his voice shot too?

No, it's "mature".

Gotcha

Yeah Kim, it's matured beautifully with soulful resonance.

Yeah, if you really listen to the couple of BG vox he has recorded over the last 10 years, you can hear it.

Of course you can.

[Deb]

I still think to this day the only thing radio and record companies will back is with Perry.

Yeah, Perry in his prime. That's why the record companies are clamoring to get him back in the biz.

Is his voice shot too?

No, it's "mature".

Gotcha

Yeah Kim, it's matured beautifully with soulful resonance.

Yeah, if you really listen to the couple of BG vox he has recorded over the last 10 years, you can hear it.

[ohsherrie]

Yeah Kim, it's matured beautifully with soulful resonance.

Yeah, if you really listen to the couple of BG vox he has recorded over the last 10 years, you can hear it.

Like your response much better Deb.

[The_Noble_Cause]

NOTE: Out of respect to the hardest working man in the business second only to Vince Neil’s 12-step group leader, MeatLoaf’s dietician, and Joe Elliot’s dedicated breast reduction surgery team at the Our Lady of St. Francis Hospital, I will cede to Andrew’s wishes. As will be made perfectly clear in a matter of seconds, I will decisively beat FYRE armed but with my nonpareil intellectual wits and nary a cuss.

Did I ever tell you that you're my hero...

Wow. So because YOU (and others) are responsible for saving JOURNEY <delusional>

The fans that brought TapeGate to light saved the band. That is fact. Everyone connected to the band knows it, and some in private have even admitted it. Aside from inspiring bellowing laughter in key band members, whenever you flippantly write me or Deano off as “delusional”, you also serve to undermine fans who acted in the best interest of fellow fans such as yourself. You may briefly feel you’ve re-gained the upperhand by marginalizing or even denying what occurred, but the truth is you remain just as locked outside in the cold as ever before. You see, that’s how TapeGate first spread. Concerned fans who *knew*, benevolently contacted other fans and so on, and so forth.

If you’re asking yourself how come you never heard about it, maybe next time you should try reposing a little faith in your fellow fan, instead of prefabricated sanitized PR answers that never come (or in this case, come months after the squall has passed).

....that somehow gives you the right to threaten them when they contradict the very claims you made that supposedly "saved" them.

Even Andrew disliked Ross’s statement. What does that tell you? Andrew has dropped more breadcrumbs along the way for fans like you perennially stuck behind the 8-ball than Hansel, Gretel, and Stove Top combined.

You have no right to hang anything over anyone's head - especially in threatening ways. That's precisely what you've done here.

Aside from bold-faced lying, Ross is also being very dismissive of Deano; a bud of mine and the man largely responsible for saving the band.
Again, that is fact, and those same words have been uttered by members of the band themselves.

Your comments reflect EXACTLY what Ross was talking about in regards to obsessive fans.

Ummm, Ross wasn’t talking anything substantive or making any point that should be treated with reverence. Even the usually tacit Andrew felt the need to express disapproval at Ross’s comments. I think Andrew, a music insider whose annals of knowledge know no corporal bounds, is in a much better position to judge what is an equitable statement when it comes to TapeGate, don’t you?

So why don't they just surrender already and let you and others manage them - OR ELSE.

I don’t want to manage them. I just want them to do right by their fans.
Putting a grinding halt to lip-synching was the first step.
Now if Ross truly has his heart set on making further amends with the fanbase, well, call me crazy, but I fail to see more untempered deceit as the best course of option.

I come here to talk about JOURNEY.

No you don’t.
As with your fallen compatriots Fred and Monker before you, your posts follow a similar ineffectual pattern:
Posters with a modicum of knowledge are attacked by those who know even less.

You know - THE BAND. This place has become less about JOURNEY and more about certain people including yourself.

Though I think Andrew runs a damn fine website, due to other commitments, my post quotient has been highly reduced lately, so this comment has no basis in reality.
Besides, an inanimate .jpg thumbnail of a hamburger can’t possibly have an ego and stands nothing to gain in the invisible popularity contest you see being waged daily in your adolescent-bemired mind.
High school’s over, tyke.
Though if you’d like, Deano and I would be more than happy to give you a swirly and send your shorts riding up the flagpole.

BOTTOM LINE: Ross takes on the question and you don't like the answer so you threaten him.

He lied.
If he keeps lying, Deano can put the blog up again and bring a macrocosm of woes crashing down upon their unsuspecting heads.

You absolutely can NOT defend that. That's like me trying to defend Perla's being ousted from AI. I can't. I didn't. I won't.

Be a man.

I don’t have to defend it, the results are manifest on-stage every night.
The looming threat of the blog was the impetus that enabled the parade of fraudulence in '05 to come to it’s undignified end.

If anyone has called you out it's Ross. What are you going to do about it? What CAN you do about it? Nothing.

They screwed the fans once before, and the fans screwed them back ten-fold.
Why on earth would we hesitate to do it again?
Truth be told, I’m actually kinda looking forward to it.

[Andrew]

NOTE: Out of respect to the hardest working man in the business second only to Vince Neil’s 12-step group leader, MeatLoaf’s dietician, and Joe Elliot’s dedicated breast reduction surgery team at the Our Lady of St. Francis Hospital, I will cede to Andrew’s wishes. As will be made perfectly clear in a matter of seconds, I will decisively beat FYRE armed but with my nonpareil intellectual wits and nary a cuss.

Why thank you


BTW - that I think is the funniest description of myself that I have ever read....brilliant.

[donnaplease]

Great Job, TNC. As usual...

[AR]

Looks like the Fyre has been extinguished.

[Saint John]

Looks like the Fyre has been extinguished.

He was smoldering at best anyway. But yes, it is good that he has completely been put out. Unfortunately, like most forest fires, he's an accident waiting to happen.....again.

[conversationpc]

NOTE: Out of respect to the hardest working man in the business second only to Vince Neil’s 12-step group leader, MeatLoaf’s dietician, and Joe Elliot’s dedicated breast reduction surgery team at the Our Lady of St. Francis Hospital, I will cede to Andrew’s wishes. As will be made perfectly clear in a matter of seconds, I will decisively beat FYRE armed but with my nonpareil intellectual wits and nary a cuss.

Classic TNC!

[Red13JoePa]

I absolutely adore Vince Neil, but if that didn't knock it out of the park....

[Wheels Of Fyre]

The fans that brought TapeGate to light saved the band. That is fact.

That’s YOUR perception of what happened. Ultimately, JOURNEY saved themselves. They were held hostage by hefty contracts, a fading vocalist, and overly emotional, obsessive fans who couldn’t consider the big picture.

Everyone connected to the band knows it, and some in private have even admitted it.

Anything said in private should stay that way. If admissions were made in private then you’ve broken trust therefore how can anyone trust your claim?

Ultimately, we hear/see/taste/touch what we WANT to. In certain settings words can easily be misconstrued. Did you personally hear these admissions? Who said them? What exactly did they say? If you’re going to break the trust and make the claim, then go all the way and provide the details.

Aside from inspiring bellowing laughter in key band members, whenever you flippantly write me or Deano off as “delusional”, you also serve to undermine fans who acted in the best interest of fellow fans such as yourself.

Which key band members are laughing? Have you heard them laugh? Have they told you that they’re laughing? Again, back up your claims. If I’m offended and retract my JOURNEY fan club membership I doubt it will be of any consequence.

Unlike how it’s been applied to me countless times here I use the term "delusional" appropriately. In this instance I’m referring to the delusion that you claim to be the “saviors” of JOURNEY.

In REALITY what you’ve done is:
Post on the internet in the form of blogs and forums what you believed to be true regarding the use of tapes.

The Messianic heights to which you’ve taken this is textbook delusional.

You may briefly feel you’ve re-gained the upperhand by marginalizing or even denying what occurred, but the truth is you remain just as locked outside in the cold as ever before. You see, that’s how TapeGate first spread. Concerned fans who *knew*, benevolently contacted other fans and so on, and so forth.

I’ve made myself abundantly clear that I’m a concerned fan. I’m so concerned that I will NOT pass judgment without a clear understanding of the MOTIVE for tapes.

NO ONE (including the famous noone) has EVER disclosed the MOTIVE. The motive may be entirely justifiable. Until I know what it was I can NOT and will NOT do what you have done which is to appoint yourself as judge, jury, and executioner.

JSS recently hinted at part of the motive when he commented that had JE lost his voice then DL would’ve dropped the tour without hesitation and “screwed” JOURNEY out of future earnings. This seems to indicate that JOURNEY was simply trying to maintain their contracts in good faith. This may be perceived as callously screwing the fans for the love of money. In reality, people are BIOLOGICAL and can’t always perform. That’s why Broadway and theatre use seconds in case of illness. That’s why artists have ALWAYS and will continue to use pre-recordings. Ours is a capitalistic society and sometimes that takes precedence over being a noble artist.

If you’re asking yourself how come you never heard about it, maybe next time you should try reposing a little faith in your fellow fan, instead of prefabricated sanitized PR answers that never come (or in this case, come months after the squall has passed).

I’m not asking myself that question. I did hear about it from the get-go.

This isn’t a matter of faith. It’s a matter of motive.

Even Andrew disliked Ross’s statement. What does that tell you? Andrew has dropped more breadcrumbs along the way for fans like you perennially stuck behind the 8-ball than Hansel, Gretel, and Stove Top combined.

I didn’t see where Andrew was explicit as to why he disliked Ross’ statement. You’re suggesting that Ross was lying and that Andrew concurs. Maybe he can clarify.

Aside from bold-faced lying, Ross is also being very dismissive of Deano; a bud of mine and the man largely responsible for saving the band.

From the photos I’ve seen Dean is indeed large however I would again argue that saying he’s largely responsible for saving the band is delusional.

Again, that is fact, and those same words have been uttered by members of the band themselves.

Please post who, when, and where.

Ummm, Ross wasn’t talking anything substantive or making any point that should be treated with reverence.

That’s your opinion which seems to carry little water considering the uproar that his comments have caused.

Even the usually tacit Andrew felt the need to express disapproval at Ross’s comments. I think Andrew, a music insider whose annals of knowledge know no corporal bounds, is in a much better position to judge what is an equitable statement when it comes to TapeGate, don’t you?

Now Andrew is the Second Coming, too. I respect Andrew as much as anyone but come on – I know you’re being facetious about knowing no corporal bounds but even so the reality is that no one including him has provided a comprehensive, authoritative report that proves the FACTS – ALL OF THEM INCLUDING MOTIVE – behind Tapegate.

Maybe he’s working on it…

So why don't they just surrender already and let you and others manage them - OR ELSE.

I don’t want to manage them. I just want them to do right by their fans.

OR ELSE.

Putting a grinding halt to lip-synching was the first step.
Now if Ross truly has his heart set on making further amends with the fanbase, well, call me crazy, but I fail to see more untempered deceit as the best course of option.

There’s that OR ELSE stuff again.

OR ELSE destroys your “sincere” claims of doing right by the fans!!!

Ross is trying to do right by the fans and you’re threatening him for the simple fact that you’ve placed YOURSELF and Dean above the fans. Even considering Dean’s expanding girth the reality is that the fan base is BIGGER than you and Dean put together. I know that must be difficult for a Messiah to comprehend but you’ve got to try!

I agree that Ross’ statements were contrived to make amends with the fan base therefore if you REALLY cared about the fans you would permit Ross to do his job!

I come here to talk about JOURNEY.

No you don’t.

I believe my posts speak for themselves.

You know - THE BAND. This place has become less about JOURNEY and more about certain people including yourself.

Though I think Andrew runs a damn fine website, due to other commitments, my post quotient has been highly reduced lately, so this comment has no basis in reality.

Uh, yeah…

Though if you’d like, Deano and I would be more than happy to give you a swirly and send your shorts riding up the flagpole.

There’s no way you and Dean could give me a swirly as his aforementioned girth prohibits the 3 of us from being in a stall at the same time. As for shorts up the flagpole - I don’t wear any. Free and unfettered am I.

BOTTOM LINE: Ross takes on the question and you don't like the answer so you threaten him.

He lied.
If he keeps lying, Deano can put the blog up again and bring a macrocosm of woes crashing down upon their unsuspecting heads.

All for the fans – right? Has nothing to do with his lies making you look bad.

NAH.

They screwed the fans once before, and the fans screwed them back ten-fold.
Why on earth would we hesitate to do it again?
Truth be told, I’m actually kinda looking forward to it.

Sounds like you WANT it. You NEED it so that you can validate your miserable existence.

Yeeesh.

[larryfromnextdoor]

you two are much deeper and thought provoked then i could ever be, and to get all the quotes right .ect... when did simple come backs such as, "Your Mama!" go out of style,,,,

[Red13JoePa]

:shock: and to get all the quotes right .ect...

LOL, SOOO hard to do, and yet a lot of the thought and intent goes for naught and the impact of a brilliant rebuttal just flattened when you botch so much as 1 quote. Happens to me all the time and keeps me out of Cooperstown.

[NealIsGod]

:shock: and to get all the quotes right .ect...

LOL, SOOO hard to do, and yet a lot of the thought and intent goes for naught and the impact of a brilliant rebuttal just flattened when you botch so much as 1 quote. Happens to me all the time and keeps me out of Cooperstown.

Who is in Cooperstown? Wish there was a MR HOF. TNC would def. be the Babe Ruth of the place.

[AR]

:shock: and to get all the quotes right .ect...

LOL, SOOO hard to do, and yet a lot of the thought and intent goes for naught and the impact of a brilliant rebuttal just flattened when you botch so much as 1 quote. Happens to me all the time and keeps me out of Cooperstown.

When someone puts in that many quotes as Fyre just did, I stop reading after the first few.

[NealIsGod]

:shock: and to get all the quotes right .ect...

LOL, SOOO hard to do, and yet a lot of the thought and intent goes for naught and the impact of a brilliant rebuttal just flattened when you botch so much as 1 quote. Happens to me all the time and keeps me out of Cooperstown.

When someone puts in that many quotes as Fyre just did, I stop reading after the first few.

TNC is the only one I will put in the effort for.

[lowdbrent]

I come here to get consolidated, concise, news about the bands of my youth and their current side projects.

It IS amazing how too involved and possibly weird people can become. I am amazed at how some know more than what is comfortable for an artist and imposed themselves on others with a false high level of importance. Having been on the performing side and production side of things for 21 years, I have seen well meaning hardcore fans go off the deep end many times. Yes, fans are important to any artist. But the best fans are the ones that don't demand much besides a good product and tour. They pay the artist back with their hard earned money. If an artist is needy for anything else, then they have issues. If a fan needs anything else, they have issues.

There is an interesting trend in Journey. The stories change. The members sometimes re-write their own history. Van Halen has been doing the same thing recently. I am sure it will not be hard to find documentation somewhere of Ross, Steve, Neal and John complaining about Perry firing Ross and Steve. Maybe it is on the VH-1 show. Perry admitted he did it through management, at the time of the VH-1 show felt badly, and said that if he could go back in time he never would not have done it again. So, why does Ross say that he and Steve just left because they couldn't take it? Why not tell it like it is? Everyone KNOWS what happened. Perry, who didn't feel like he was part of the band (but ran it) fired them. Whatever.

Man, life is too short for crap. Tell the truth, it isn't hard. Give the fans good music, and all the rest will come. If it is now too hard to make good music, then stop making yourself look bad, and ruining the fond memories and moments of our youth, because we don't have many unshattered, bastardized or raped moments like those anymore.

[Wheels Of Fyre]

:shock: you two are much deeper and thought provoked then i could ever be, and to get all the quotes right .ect... when did simple come backs such as, "Your Mama!" go out of style,,,,

LOL!!! Seriously - I was going to do exactly THAT! No kidding! However I HAD to respect TNC's efforts and reply a la Monker - the TRUE Messiah.

[Wheels Of Fyre]

:shock: and to get all the quotes right .ect...

LOL, SOOO hard to do, and yet a lot of the thought and intent goes for naught and the impact of a brilliant rebuttal just flattened when you botch so much as 1 quote. Happens to me all the time and keeps me out of Cooperstown.

When someone puts in that many quotes as Fyre just did, I stop reading after the first few.

That's because you can't handle the truth!

[AR]

:shock: and to get all the quotes right .ect...

LOL, SOOO hard to do, and yet a lot of the thought and intent goes for naught and the impact of a brilliant rebuttal just flattened when you botch so much as 1 quote. Happens to me all the time and keeps me out of Cooperstown.

When someone puts in that many quotes as Fyre just did, I stop reading after the first few.

TNC is the only one I will put in the effort for.

That's because TNC won't bore you to death - unlike some others around famous for their long winded diatribes about nothing.

We get accused of being "personality driven", yet some have the absolute arrogance to think we want to read all that hot air.

[Wheels Of Fyre]

:shock: and to get all the quotes right .ect...

LOL, SOOO hard to do, and yet a lot of the thought and intent goes for naught and the impact of a brilliant rebuttal just flattened when you botch so much as 1 quote. Happens to me all the time and keeps me out of Cooperstown.

YOUR MAMA!!!

[AR]

That's because you can't handle the truth!

Aren't you a fucking mime, just like Augeri? Thought I saw that picture around once.

[Rockindeano]

Oh fuck this....Enough of this lame banter.

I will say it ON THE RECORD.


Ross Valory flatout lied in that interview. He knows it, the band knows it, and the fans with a brain know it. I will tell you this though; If he or anyone else, "mispeak" again, and trash me, who spoke 100% the truth, that will be the last time it happens. I am going to protect myself and if need be, I will present the truth yet again, and don't think for a minute I won't do it either. Just try me.

My advice to Journey? Let Jeff and Neal do the talking.

[Wheels Of Fyre]

:shock: and to get all the quotes right .ect...

LOL, SOOO hard to do, and yet a lot of the thought and intent goes for naught and the impact of a brilliant rebuttal just flattened when you botch so much as 1 quote. Happens to me all the time and keeps me out of Cooperstown.

When someone puts in that many quotes as Fyre just did, I stop reading after the first few.

TNC is the only one I will put in the effort for.

That's because TNC won't bore you to death - unlike some others around famous for their long winded diatribes about nothing.

We get accused of being "personality driven", yet some have the absolute arrogance to think we want to read all that hot air.

I dunno - Seinfeld was about nothing but was a pretty successful show.

I guess I struck a nerve of truth as you can't manage to muster much more than nothing!

[AR]

:shock: and to get all the quotes right .ect...

LOL, SOOO hard to do, and yet a lot of the thought and intent goes for naught and the impact of a brilliant rebuttal just flattened when you botch so much as 1 quote. Happens to me all the time and keeps me out of Cooperstown.

When someone puts in that many quotes as Fyre just did, I stop reading after the first few.

TNC is the only one I will put in the effort for.

That's because TNC won't bore you to death - unlike some others around famous for their long winded diatribes about nothing.

We get accused of being "personality driven", yet some have the absolute arrogance to think we want to read all that hot air.

I dunno - Seinfeld was about nothing but was a pretty successful show.

I guess I struck a nerve of truth as you can't manage to muster much more than nothing!

What truth? I didn't read half your shit. I was busy having Charo deported.

[Wheels Of Fyre]

Oh fuck this....Enough of this lame banter.

Fyre, you are a piece of work, or a piece of shit, probably both.

Probably.

I will say it ON THE RECORD.

Ross Valory flatout lied in that interview. He knows it, the band knows it, and the fans with a brain know it. I will tell you this though; If he or anyone else, "mispeak" again, and trash me, who spoke 100% the truth, that will be the last time it happens. I am going to protect myself and if need be, I will present the truth yet again, and don't think for a minute I won't do it either. Just try me.

"Mispeak" ...? "Trash you" ...?

WOW. I'm reminded of a certain song by Carly Simon. You know which one?

Ross didn't name you. Why would you think that he was talking about YOU?

Sing it Carly: "You're so vain...you prob'ly think that Ross talks about you..."

Protect yourself from WHAT? Even if Ross was indeed talking about you then why would you even care?

Are you perhaps uncomfortable with your own sanity?

My advice to Journey? Let Jeff and Neal do the talking.

OR ELSE!!!

[Wheels Of Fyre]

That's because you can't handle the truth!

Aren't you a fucking mime, just like Augeri? Thought I saw that picture around once.

Not any more however I still sense deep pain and anguish anytime Charlie Chaplin, Marcel Marceau, or Steve Augeri are slighted.