Where is Steve Augeri and is he better??

[Rick]

Well another question that has no answer is how long would they have kept perpetrating this charade if the whistle hadn't gotten blown. I thank the man that blew the whistle. Not only did it stop the charade, but it may have saved the band a bigger embarrassment later on if some news person documented it and made it a big public scandal. It was kept fairly quiet. None of my friends or people I work with know anything of TG.

[AR]

I am still an Augeri Fan. I know Rockin' Deano isn't and many arent and this site and board is VERY pro-JSS and even more so pro PErry but, for me I liked the albums SA sang on and most of the songs better than the last 2 Perry cd's and I just wanted to know as a fan if anyone has any knowledge if he's better, singing again, performing or what have you!

If I may be so bold (as I, of all people, shouldn't talk for anyone here)

This board isn't pro-JSS, it's anti-fraud. JSS isn't a fraud, he's the real deal...so that's why this place is pro-JSS.

The facts are the facts...and you can't run away from them. If *anyone* can attest to that, I can...I was on the wrong side of this fence for quite a while and squared off against Deano about it. But the facts are the facts. Once you consider looking at this with a cold, hard eye...you get pissed off that you've been lied to, made a fool of and bamboozled ( can I even say that without getting smacked hard?)...Is Journey, as a whole, culpable? Maybe. Hook raises a very good point in that each musician, thanks to todays mega-channel monitor mixers, can have an independent IEM mix. It's very plausable that the rest of the band was in the dark on the extent of lipping. I'm sure they knew some bit...but MAJOR blame has to be assigned to the guy that skulked out on stage, faked it, took his share of ticket revenue and never once, backed off and said "For the greater good, I need to step away". AR's right, the guy could have stepped away, saved whatever he had left of his dignity and done the right thing. Deano's right too....SA was perfectly happy prolonging this as long as those around him were letting him.

So is this place pro-JSS? Sure, if you consider that this place is pro-good, pro-integrity, pro-notfuckingloyalfansoutofhardearnedcash, pro-realsinging.

Sorry, I know I'm late on 8-ball on this.....but the more I really think/contemplate about TG...the more pissed I get. It's not the type of stigma I wanted one of my favorite bands to have attached to it!...and it really pisses me off.

Killer post! Well said.

[Rockindeano]

None of my friends or people I work with know anything of TG.

I would love to keep it this way too.

[Carlitto H@kk]

None of my friends or people I work with know anything of TG.

I would love to keep it this way too.

This is what people on these MBs need to realize...

The lame Official Statement announcing Jeff as the new singer, Ross' interview,
Neal's most recent interview...
ALL were aimed at the 'majority' fan base.
This majority, probably 90-95% of all fans, DO NOT
live on these sites and really have no clue what has really gone
on over the past year. Sure, a reporter will ask, the spin doctoring kicks in
and then, "next question". The majority reads, goes, "Ok" and then presses on.
The majority of the fans out there know that Augeri was replaced by Soto because of health reasons.
They heard some rumors about Augeri but, since Neal and Ross denied them, they are content
with the 'health issues' story and will press on.

[Art Vandelay]

Maybe he's trying to get his old job back at the Gap.

[stevew2]

hi gang, I wanted to ask this question as I really want to know. I for one blame the ENTIRE Journey organization for the fukkin B.S. that was "Tape Gate".

The way the acted was B.S. Nothing against JSS I think he's great , he's different, not as melodic as Augeri but strong singer and great showman. I luved Soul SIkUs and RockStar Sntk (both his and steelheart dudes songs) and I liked the show I saw in late July last year but...

I am still an Augeri Fan. I know Rockin' Deano isn't and many arent and this site and board is VERY pro-JSS and even more so pro PErry but, for me I liked the albums SA sang on and most of the songs better than the last 2 Perry cd's and I just wanted to know as a fan if anyone has any knowledge if he's better, singing again, performing or what have you!

I luv the few songs I heard from the debut of Tall Stories and I hope " Stevie" is alive and well and will be putting out some music soon.

Anything on MR. Augeri??
You will be killed and eaten alive with your post.Check out previous posts, and the downloads that support them.Tape gate did happen.Deano was a big suporter of Steve A. Once he proved that he was lipping,that was the end of any suppot from him any many people here. I dont support what he did either,I feel the band is just as much to blame. Steve A. is gone from Journey.Accept it and move on with JSS. You have no choice. He is a awesome singer and frontman.I miss Steve A when he was really singing, I was a wiggler for sure,but them days were gone .Ive heard some more clips from 2005,andI know after 19 concerts , some of it was lipped,excepted for the endings and you could hear the difference. I still wish Steve well also, I enjoyed some awesome concerts and,enjoyed meeting him also. But it is over for him.{with Journey} Ill keep an open mind. Jeff is cool,and talented. If Steve puts out a solo cd, I would welcome it.



c.m.

[Rick]

Maybe he's trying to get his old job back at the Gap.

[ArnelRox]

Sometimes I just want to throw up when these threads start up again. They never lead to anything positive do they? There is one thing I've learned in my time on any Journey-related boards: some will always prefer SP, some will always prefer SA, some will always prefer JSS , some like all singers, some like 2 out of the 3 mentioned, some are just Journey fans regardless of who sings. Most people's opinions can't be changed, some can.

The whole fan v. fan debate is getting really old. We all have different opinions. We all like different songs better than others as evidenced in many threads devoted to those topics. No matter what we say or do, or who we prefer, one thing is clear: JSS is the lead singer of Journey right now. We can spin our wheels all we want but it seems nothing we say will change Journey's mind. So why bother? They made their decision. We can either like it or not. But we won't change it.

Can't we just stop fighting & agree to disagree? Whether u agree or disagree about TG, SA is no longer w/the band. Can't we just let him go? Whatever he did or didn't do is over now. Whether SP was a jerk or not, it happened a long long time ago, & we're 2 lead singers out from him. Some people have had kids that were born & died since that happened (sad but true). If u don't want to be a fan b/c the band doesn't have one of these guys in the lead spot that's ur perogrative. But do we always have to fight about it?

It's time to move on.

Isn't there more for us to talk about than which lead singer we prefer?

[strangegrey]

Isn't there more for us to talk about than which lead singer we prefer?

It's *not* about that. It's about which lead singer isn't a fraud. I know this is hard to grasp, but it no longer comes down to 'prefering' one over the other...because that would imply some level of equality among the three....and there does not exist equality.

Let's take Perry out of this. He's gone, he *ain't* coming back....

So really we're down to comparing a world-class singer vs a guy that's been faking it for God-knows how long.

Real vs Fraud...

Would you like a real President or someone that just smiles for the camera and lets his wife or cabinet make the decissions (not directed at anyone in particular)?

Would you like a real car? Or would you like a life-sized cardboard cutout sitting in your driveway waiting to fall apart at the first sign of rain?

Would you like a real Ham and Egg sandwich for breakfast? or would you prefer to just see an ad for one on TV?



That's really what it comes down to. It's not prefering one voice over the other. It's prefering something real over prefering something thats fake, false, a fraud....


If it were simply one singer vs the other....that would be a more difficult choice for some (not all). But the fact of the matter is that we're talking about apples vs oranges....or in this case, Apples vs Pinapples.

[****]

Pinapple is a very thin and sharp apple..

[Mark H]

Fuck me...is this shite still being discussed.

You should all give the original poster a break, he was only asking if anyone had any recent news on SA.

The ships moved on and is sailing better than ever, but I'd still like news of the old captain.

Instead I have the wade through three pages of the same old shite...to find nobody knows anything new after all.

[Red13JoePa]

The lame Official Statement announcing Jeff as the new singer, Ross' interview,
Neal's most recent interview...
ALL were aimed at the 'majority' fan base.
This majority, probably 90-95% of all fans, DO NOT
live on these sites and really have no clue what has really gone
on over the past year.

Give the man a cigar.

Righto.

[Aaron]

Mac,

I love you dearly and your board but I have to disagree with your comment. JSS is a great guy, great stage personality and has a powerful voice for sure. But, when you use the word melodic, I'd argue your point. A melodic vocalist is someone whom has a shitload of range as a starting point but also has a very smooth delivery in their vocal content. The following are melodic vocalist in my opinion that come to mind:

Steve Perry
Hugo Valenti
Kevin Chalfant
Lou Graham
Brad Delp
Graham Bonnett
Sammy Hagar

In my view, JSS fits more of the metal/hard rock genre of vocalist which would include:

Ozzy Osbourne
Rob Halford
Jim Hetfield
Etc.

I agree with JSS being a good rock vocalist, but in my view, JSS being a melodic rock style of vocalist is a stretch at best. If you think Journey still sounds like Journey then you won't agree with my opinion.

Now as far as Augeri is concerned, I believe Arrival is a damn good record, better than ROR or TBF because it has some good rock songs on it and doesn't come across as an adult contemporary, gay CD. Generations is a hog podge of crap in my view with no consistent vocals that makes it a turd in my opinion as it does not fit the AOR genre for record with multiple lead vocalist. We'll see what any new Journey music brings to the equation.

Now let the bashing begin,

Aaron

I am still an Augeri Fan. I know Rockin' Deano isn't and many arent and this site and board is VERY pro-JSS and even more so pro PErry but, for me I liked the albums SA sang on and most of the songs better than the last 2 Perry cd's and I just wanted to know as a fan if anyone has any knowledge if he's better, singing again, performing or what have you!

This is a pro JOURNEY board...that includes appreciation for what Steve Augeri brough to the band during his tenure. Arrival is an amzing record...love it.
I'm sure there will be news soon.

As for Jeff not being as melodic a vocalist - WOWSERS! You need to do some research into JSS my friend. Soul and melody oozing from every pore.

[Daza]

PLEASE Andrew. This board has never been appreciative of Augeri and has a well known reputation for rumor-starting and Augeri hating. It has CONSISTENTLY thrashed Augeri at every chance. Started pure rumor that is STILL unproven. And thus, I would also say it is also not really pro-Journey. It HAS proven to be pro-JSS. I like JSS AND I think it was a good decision on the band's part to move on as Augeri's voice was toast after 8 years. I just think if you look at this MESSAGE BOARD (NOT you or your website information which has always been very fair and absolutely PRO-Journey) overall and you are being TRULY honest, it is far from pro-Journey and very far from appreciative of Augeri's 8 years with the band. Let's be honest.....

100% wrong, again.

Go research the last 4 years. Everyone here, save the loons, were ALL supportive of Steve Augeri, and I hasten to add I was more vocal in support of SA than anyone here.


Try again, loser. Crying about what's happened in the past will not change things. Get a life.

You get a life you loser piece of shit. I'm not crying about what's happened in the past. Just adding some REALITY and HONESTY to this thread. This site has been far from PRO-Augeri. GET A CLUE.

Shit Stirring Troll!

Rockin Deano Sycophant

[Daza]

hi gang, I wanted to ask this question as I really want to know. I for one blame the ENTIRE Journey organization for the fukkin B.S. that was "Tape Gate".

The way the acted was B.S. Nothing against JSS I think he's great , he's different, not as melodic as Augeri but strong singer and great showman. I luved Soul SIkUs and RockStar Sntk (both his and steelheart dudes songs) and I liked the show I saw in late July last year but...

I am still an Augeri Fan. I know Rockin' Deano isn't and many arent and this site and board is VERY pro-JSS and even more so pro PErry but, for me I liked the albums SA sang on and most of the songs better than the last 2 Perry cd's and I just wanted to know as a fan if anyone has any knowledge if he's better, singing again, performing or what have you!

I luv the few songs I heard from the debut of Tall Stories and I hope " Stevie" is alive and well and will be putting out some music soon.

Anything on MR. Augeri??



c.m.

Excellent and unbiased thread, somebody starts some well meaning discussion....and gets a garbage response in post no. 3. At least Andrew has the decency to talk sense in his post. This board is DEFINITELY anti Augerri

He only asked where Augerri was...not who was the better singer.

[Daza]

Send this to Neil Schon...like he had a gun to his head in all of this.

[Red13JoePa]

[7 Wishes]

Ummm...do you mean Lou Gramm? Lou Graham is Billy Graham's illegitimate son (currently residing in Mississippi under the alias of "Corky Lipschitz" - a former coach of the Hyannisport Presidents).

[Daza]

Before all you Brit hating yanks come on to crucify me...I actually like JSS, and wish him and Journey well in the future.

[****]

Mac,

I love you dearly and your board but I have to disagree with your comment. JSS is a great guy, great stage personality and has a powerful voice for sure. But, when you use the word melodic, I'd argue your point. A melodic vocalist is someone whom has a shitload of range as a starting point but also has a very smooth delivery in their vocal content. The following are melodic vocalist in my opinion that come to mind:

Steve Perry
Hugo Valenti
Kevin Chalfant
Lou Graham
Brad Delp
Graham Bonnett
Sammy Hagar

In my view, JSS fits more of the metal/hard rock genre of vocalist which would include:

Ozzy Osbourne
Rob Halford
Jim Hetfield
Etc.

I agree with JSS being a good rock vocalist, but in my view, JSS being a melodic rock style of vocalist is a stretch at best. If you think Journey still sounds like Journey then you won't agree with my opinion.

Now as far as Augeri is concerned, I believe Arrival is a damn good record, better than ROR or TBF because it has some good rock songs on it and doesn't come across as an adult contemporary, gay CD. Generations is a hog podge of crap in my view with no consistent vocals that makes it a turd in my opinion as it does not fit the AOR genre for record with multiple lead vocalist. We'll see what any new Journey music brings to the equation.

Now let the bashing begin,

Aaron

I am still an Augeri Fan. I know Rockin' Deano isn't and many arent and this site and board is VERY pro-JSS and even more so pro PErry but, for me I liked the albums SA sang on and most of the songs better than the last 2 Perry cd's and I just wanted to know as a fan if anyone has any knowledge if he's better, singing again, performing or what have you!

This is a pro JOURNEY board...that includes appreciation for what Steve Augeri brough to the band during his tenure. Arrival is an amzing record...love it.
I'm sure there will be news soon.

As for Jeff not being as melodic a vocalist - WOWSERS! You need to do some research into JSS my friend. Soul and melody oozing from every pore.

Ok Sammy Hagar and melodic sounding? no..

but if you go and listen to Jeff's music - youi will know he does absolutely have a melodic voice. Listen to his essential ballads. Then make your determination.

[treetopovskaya]

Neal is the leader of the band. Ultimately it was his responsibility.

No. You are wrong on this. It goes higher than Neal.

and even higher than steve augeri.

i can't see how neal or anyone else in the band could not notice sa was lippin`. night after night hearing the same exact vocal. if you noticed it deano from a few boots i'm sure they all had to notice being on stage with sa show after show. i believe this keeps coming up because people refuse to blame the whole band. maybe it's just easier for some to accept what happened if they take out their anger on one person... especially since that person is gone. that way they can still support the band they love.

i agree with jr. what's done is done... sa is out. time to forgive & move on already. }:C)

[Rosebud]

I just feel the need to jump in here and point something out. Aaron has been on this board since 2002, a very long time and he has good opinions. People don't jump to JSS' defense each and every time someone posts something that might not mesh with exactly what your opinion is. This board does not have to be a cult or gang mentality, let people voice their opinions for God's sake! You might hear something one way and someone else hears it another, stop jumping everyone's shit all the time.

[Matthew]

A melodic vocalist is someone whom has a shitload of range as a starting point but also has a very smooth delivery in their vocal content. The following are melodic vocalist in my opinion that come to mind:


Graham Bonnett

Graham Bonnet? The guy was a shouter.. there was nothing "smooth" about his delivery. We are talking about the former Rainbow, MSG and Alcatrazz vocalist right?

[Daza]

Face it... criticism of Schon = falling out with Schon = no backstage passes...there ya go. And that is relevant to certain people on this board, start beating your chest MATE (an English phrase).

Another thing....Soto discovered where a true audience was the moment he set foot in England.

Andrews post explains all. Scroll down to his post. My home town this..and they know how to welcome a band..as evidenced by Jeff's comments. http://forums.melodicrock.com/phpBB/vie ... 79&start=0

[treetopovskaya]

jss is VERY melodic. go check out his website & myspace. }:C)) i'm loving gin and tonic sky... coming home is still my favorite though! }=C))

www.myspace.com/sewtoe

[Matthew]

Face it... criticism of Schon = falling out with Schon = no backstage passes...there ya go.

So true! It's a simple equation that explains many of the bizarro claims in this board.

[****]

I just feel the need to jump in here and point something out. Aaron has been on this board since 2002, a very long time and he has good opinions. People don't jump to JSS' defense each and every time someone posts something that might not mesh with exactly what your opinion is. This board does not have to be a cult or gang mentality, let people voice their opinions for God's sake! You might hear something one way and someone else hears it another, stop jumping everyone's shit all the time.

Hi-I'm not sure who you are referring to.. but I will jump in too:). I agree that people have a right to their opinion absolutely and if someone doesn't like Jeff or how he sounds - thats totally cool.
I only try to point out things to make decisions based on facts not emotion. Thatsall

[ohsherrie]

Mac,

I love you dearly and your board but I have to disagree with your comment. JSS is a great guy, great stage personality and has a powerful voice for sure. But, when you use the word melodic, I'd argue your point. A melodic vocalist is someone whom has a shitload of range as a starting point but also has a very smooth delivery in their vocal content. The following are melodic vocalist in my opinion that come to mind:

Steve Perry
Hugo Valenti
Kevin Chalfant
Lou Graham
Brad Delp
Graham Bonnett
Sammy Hagar

In my view, JSS fits more of the metal/hard rock genre of vocalist which would include:

Ozzy Osbourne
Rob Halford
Jim Hetfield
Etc.

I agree with JSS being a good rock vocalist, but in my view, JSS being a melodic rock style of vocalist is a stretch at best. If you think Journey still sounds like Journey then you won't agree with my opinion.

Now as far as Augeri is concerned, I believe Arrival is a damn good record, better than ROR or TBF because it has some good rock songs on it and doesn't come across as an adult contemporary, gay CD. Generations is a hog podge of crap in my view with no consistent vocals that makes it a turd in my opinion as it does not fit the AOR genre for record with multiple lead vocalist. We'll see what any new Journey music brings to the equation.

Now let the bashing begin,

Aaron

No bashing Aaron, but a difference of opinion. I think Jeff's delivery on melodic songs is smoother than Lou Gramm's or Sammy Hagar's. Maybe it's a difference in how we define smooth, or just a difference in the way we hear the music.

[treetopovskaya]

Face it... criticism of Schon = falling out with Schon = no backstage passes...there ya go.

So true! It's a simple equation that explains many of the bizarro claims in this board.

and there ya go. }:C)

[Aaron]

Yes dear, and thanks for the correction.

Ummm...do you mean Lou Gramm? Lou Graham is Billy Graham's illegitimate son (currently residing in Mississippi under the alias of "Corky Lipschitz" - a former coach of the Hyannisport Presidents).