*LOON ALERT!* Espee topic....

[TRAGChick]

**DEANO ~ DON'T READ!!** LOL

This has crossed my mind a few times, and I want your thoughts / opinions:

Do you think Steve Perry has created such a Vocal "Monster" (no pun intended ) with his prior work, that his "perfectionist" self won't let him get NEAR a mic ~ to record new stuff?

I mean, he KNOWS that he doesn't sound like his "former self" (ie: higher range)....but:

HOW MANY SINGERS can change their ENTIRE VOCAL DELIVERY ~ and become even MORE successful?

Example:

"Open Arms" "Faithfully"

Discuss.

[JeremyP]

Don't forget in the Laidlaw song when he sings, "Better get on home girl" and it sounds like his 70's vocal tone.

That was recorded in 1999.

[treetopovskaya]

all he would have to do to change his mind is come online & read these message boards. he's missed... and the deeper voice is sexy. };C))

[SteveForever]

I believe he's looking for the inspiration, if he is in love then there ya go!!!

[AR]

I would like to hear SP sing live one more time.

How's that?

[TRAGChick]

Don't forget in the Laidlaw song when he sings, "Better get on home girl" and it sounds like his 70's vocal tone.

That was recorded in 1999.

...you mean this...?
http://www.mailbigfile.com/e89251c8d645 ... tFiles.php

Just goes to show that he can have MORE THAN ONE recognizable style...and that is NOT ANY EASY THING to do....

[SteveForever]

I would like to hear SP sing live one more time.

How's that?

hell yeah!!!

[Moon Beam]

**DEANO ~ DON'T READ!!** LOL

This has crossed my mind a few times, and I want your thoughts / opinions:

Do you think Steve Perry has created such a Vocal "Monster" (no pun intended ) with his prior work, that his "perfectionist" self won't let him get NEAR a mic ~ to record new stuff?
Discuss.

Personally I think Perry enjoys the unrestricted life that he
leads now.
So I tend to believe that he slides away from solo studio
releases and hoopla of anything new.
Do I think he has stayed away from the solo-phone for so long because
he can't sing those ass slayin notes?...........no.
I think he realizes his abilities and chooses to do projects with others
as opposed to whole cd's and promotional gigs.

Good question lady.

[ohsherrie]

**DEANO ~ DON'T READ!!** LOL

This has crossed my mind a few times, and I want your thoughts / opinions:

Do you think Steve Perry has created such a Vocal "Monster" (no pun intended ) with his prior work, that his "perfectionist" self won't let him get NEAR a mic ~ to record new stuff?

I mean, he KNOWS that he doesn't sound like his "former self" (ie: higher range)....but:

HOW MANY SINGERS can change their ENTIRE VOCAL DELIVERY ~ and become even MORE successful?

Example:

"Open Arms" "Faithfully"

Discuss.

Lots to think about here Nora. I think it's a combination of his own perfectionism and what he thinks the fans'expectations may be. We know that a lot of the Journey fanbase thinks Journey should sound the same as they always have, so it stands to reason they think he should too. A lot of people on the various boards have even said they don't want Steve back with Journey because he doesn't sound like he did 25 - 30 years ago. They would rather have a clone that can give the illusion that they're listening to what they think Journey should sound like.

That sort of segues into the second part of your post. Which of the sounds of Journey are they looking for? Steve's voice and delivery changed, as did the music of Journey, with every album after Departure. There were commonalities in all of them, one of which being that Perry's voice was always immediately recognizable as Perry regardless of key, range, or delivery, the other being Neal's guitar sound, but there were definitely evolving, maturing and growing musically with every album from Departure thru TBF.

That's what I find confusing about what people expect from a Journey frontman. Which album's vocal sound is the Journey sound? For me it's a lot more than reaching high notes.

The one thing Perry's voice always has, regardless of his key or range is a sumptuous depth of heart, soul and resonance that is all his. I'd be willing to bet he still has that, but probably doesn't think it's enough.

[TRAGChick]

The one thing Perry's voice always has, regardless of his key or range is a sumptuous depth of heart, soul and resonance that is all his. I'd be willing to bet he still has that, but probably doesn't think it's enough.

I wanna "sig" this....I swear to God....



Excellent post!

[****]

There are a couple of artists that come to mind that voice is completely different than it was originally. Elton John and Madonna. Elton John's voice was much higher in the 70's and early 80's. Madonna well she never does the same thing twice

[Rockindeano]

I believe he's looking for the inspiration, if he is in love then there ya go!!!

Well shit, get your story straight. Yesterday, you had it on concrete source he was working everyday. Now you have him penciled in for fallng in love.

Christ almighty. You're out to lunch.

Shania don't even think about riding in here to rescue. I am in a mood and will slay ass today.

[ohsherrie]

The one thing Perry's voice always has, regardless of his key or range is a sumptuous depth of heart, soul and resonance that is all his. I'd be willing to bet he still has that, but probably doesn't think it's enough.

I wanna "sig" this....I swear to God....



Excellent post!

Be my guest. I'd be proud.

[Rockindeano]

I would like to hear SP sing live one more time.

I think you will; and with Journey to boot.

[Rockindeano]

Nora,

Actually, this is a good question, but the majority of the Loons turned it into yet again, a Perry lovefest....

[Red13JoePa]

What, you got in a dustup w/ JSS again?

[Jeremey]

I would like to hear SP sing live one more time.

I think you will; and with Journey to boot.

I would bet $50 that this will never, never happen...but you can't bet on a negative, so what's the point.

The Hollywood Walk of Fame is the closest you will see that incarnation of the band share a stage again. Journey will NEVER get into the RR Hall of Fame, and they will NEVER tour again, or do a one off show, in that TBF lineup.

[Rockindeano]

I would like to hear SP sing live one more time.

I think you will; and with Journey to boot.

I would bet $50 that this will never, never happen...but you can't bet on a negative, so what's the point.

The Hollywood Walk of Fame is the closest you will see that incarnation of the band share a stage again. Journey will NEVER get into the RR Hall of Fame, and they will NEVER tour again, or do a one off show, in that TBF lineup.

You are smart Hunsicker, but that was my point; a one off, in Cleveland.

They WILL get in, and they WILL do a couple tunes. Journey is too good NOT to get in,a nd they are TOO professional(unlike VH), to show up and respect the HOF.

[Jeremey]

You are smart Hunsicker, but thsat was my point.

They WILL get in, and they WILL do a couple tunes. Journey is too good NOT to get in,a nd they are TOO professional(unlike VH), to show up and respect the HOF.

Jann Wenner!! Jann Wenner controls the HOF!! He would just as soon swallow his own ballbag than see Journey in the HOF. Those people absolutely hate Journey, and Perry in particular, with a passion. No amount of petitions, etc will ever change that.

[Rockindeano]

You are smart Hunsicker, but thsat was my point.

They WILL get in, and they WILL do a couple tunes. Journey is too good NOT to get in,a nd they are TOO professional(unlike VH), to show up and respect the HOF.

Jann Wenner!! Jann Wenner controls the HOF!! He would just as soon swallow his own ballbag than see Journey in the HOF. Those people absolutely hate Journey, and Perry in particular, with a passion. No amount of petitions, etc will ever change that.

If I give Bruce a call, can he work some backhand magic?

[TRAGChick]

You are smart Hunsicker, but thsat was my point.

They WILL get in, and they WILL do a couple tunes. Journey is too good NOT to get in,a nd they are TOO professional(unlike VH), to show up and respect the HOF.

Jann Wenner!! Jann Wenner controls the HOF!!

He would just as soon swallow his own ballbag than see Journey in the HOF.

Those people absolutely hate Journey, and Perry in particular, with a passion. No amount of petitions, etc will ever change that.

I am in "silent laugh" mode right now; I have to be quiet! LOL

My face is burning up from the stifling.....

[Jeremey]

You are smart Hunsicker, but thsat was my point.

They WILL get in, and they WILL do a couple tunes. Journey is too good NOT to get in,a nd they are TOO professional(unlike VH), to show up and respect the HOF.

Jann Wenner!! Jann Wenner controls the HOF!! He would just as soon swallow his own ballbag than see Journey in the HOF. Those people absolutely hate Journey, and Perry in particular, with a passion. No amount of petitions, etc will ever change that.

If I give Bruce a call, can he work some backhand magic?

I don't think anything could ever change the musical/critical establishment's hate for the band. Those rivers run deep, all the way back to San Francisco, where I believe many people in that circlejerk blame Journey specifically for the destruction of all things musically sacred.

[SteveForever]

I believe he's looking for the inspiration, if he is in love then there ya go!!!

Well shit, get your story straight. Yesterday, you had it on concrete source he was working everyday. Now you have him panciled in for fallng in love.

Christ almighty. You're out to lunch.

Shania don't even think about riding in here to rescue. I am in a mood and will slay ass today.

Yep, finding the inspiration will send you to do the stuff you love, singing is emotional.
I have no idea why you are concentrating on my posts, but knock yourself out.
Oh and I need no one to rescue me, I can speak for myself but I don't need to get down and disgusting to express myself.
Slay ass? hmmm, if that's what makes you happy.

[Rockindeano]

Yep, finding the inspiration will send you to do the stuff you love, singing is emotional.

So, he is singing, or is he finding love? Make up your fucking mind.

I have no idea why you are concentrating on my posts, but knock yourself out.

I have my reasons.

Oh and I need no one to rescue me, I can speak for myself

Really? After your BS line yesterday, I called you on it, and poof! your were outta here.

but I don't need to get down and disgusting to express myself.

Asking you who told you Perry was working is disgusting?

[Granny]

You are smart Hunsicker, but thsat was my point.

They WILL get in, and they WILL do a couple tunes. Journey is too good NOT to get in,a nd they are TOO professional(unlike VH), to show up and respect the HOF.

Jann Wenner!! Jann Wenner controls the HOF!! He would just as soon swallow his own ballbag than see Journey in the HOF. Those people absolutely hate Journey, and Perry in particular, with a passion. No amount of petitions, etc will ever change that.

If I give Bruce a call, can he work some backhand magic?

I don't think anything could ever change the musical/critical establishment's hate for the band. Those rivers run deep, all the way back to San Francisco, where I believe many people in that circlejerk blame Journey specifically for the destruction of all things musically sacred.

Jeremey, please explain to me why they hate Journey and especially ESPEE? what do they do?

[Deb]

The one thing Perry's voice always has, regardless of his key or range is a sumptuous depth of heart, soul and resonance that is all his. I'd be willing to bet he still has that, but probably doesn't think it's enough.

Couldn't agree with ya more Sher! I think you're right, maybe he thinks he has to deliver those vocal acrobatics that fans associate him with.........Journey's has to be one of the most critical fan bases ever! When in reality for alot of fans it is more about the delivery than the range. Heck, my all-time favorite Journey song is Still They Ride and there isn't as much range in that one........but he can drag out a word like no other singer I've ever heard. And I think you're right that he still has that, heck you can hear it in his speaking voice. Damnit Steve! LOL, I think my sig line says it all, thanks Nora.

That is where people are getting real critical with JSS too.......is the range on the early stuff, but look at how well some of the more (soul/emotion) songs are going over.....like I'll Be Alright Without You, Message of Love, Edge of the Blade, Open the Door, etc.
In 'After The Fall', JSS nails the most soulfully-delivered line by Perry in the whole song........."and your sweet caress, I miss you now"....very impressed.

Journey music is soooooo much more about the delivery than it is about the range for me. I think that is why I'm really enjoying JSS's Escape/Frontiers/ROR stuff.

[SteveForever]

Yep, finding the inspiration will send you to do the stuff you love, singing is emotional.

So, he is singing, or is he finding love? Make up your fucking mind.

I have no idea why you are concentrating on my posts, but knock yourself out.

I have my reasons.

Oh and I need no one to rescue me, I can speak for myself

Really? After your BS line yesterday, I called you on it, and poof! your were outta here.

but I don't need to get down and disgusting to express myself.

Asking you who told you Perry was working is disgusting?


I'll tell you right now. All you fucking weird bitches, and you know who you are..listen carefully. I am on to your game playing. Keep it up...

Listen, I don't appreciate you referring to me as a fucking weird bitch, I have done anything to you and you have no idea who I know. I"ve never asked you who you know. What game playing? You called me on what? Get this straight....this is a MESSAGE BOARD, YOU DON'T OWN IT, ANDREW DOES AND PEOPLE CAN POST WHEN, WHAT AND HOW THEY WANT TO. I run from no one, I don't sit around all day waiting to see what you write. You obviously have a problem with me, you've made that obvious. You have something you want to say to me, you can pm me, email me, or call me.

[Rockindeano]

Listen, I don't appreciate you referring to me as a fucking weird bitch, I have done anything to you and you have no idea who I know.

I will whatever I want and yes, I DO know who you know.

Get this straight....this is a MESSAGE BOARD, YOU DON'T OWN IT, ANDREW DOES AND PEOPLE CAN POST WHEN, WHAT AND HOW THEY WANT TO.

That's precisely what I am doing.

I run from no one,

You did yesterday.

I don't sit around all day waiting to see what you write

Oh No? You really want to go with this statement or pull it back?

You obviously have a problem with me, you've made that obvious.

Yes I do have a problem with you, a major one. I used to like you, until I figured this whole mess out.

[*Laura]

all he would have to do to change his mind is come online & read these message boards.

Yeah,that would sure change his mind.He'd head straight to the Booze thread with a headache.

On Nora's topic:SP sure created a vocal "monster" even for himself.His shoes are hard to fill,but I guess he thought more than once what will it take for him to re-fill his own shoes,so to speak and un-retire...He must be aware that a part of the fans are longing for his high voice era,others want him to grow his TBF-hair back and sing like it's 1994 again and the most disturbing thing is that there are fans who would love to hear him only to evaluate his present voice.
I've said it before...Perfectionists like SP are their own enemies.
However,passion is stronger than any fear.


On the RNRHOF topic:I don't think the fans care anymore about Journey's induction into that dump.The only flicker of interest comes at the thought that Journey could reunite in the golden line-up and play at the event.But not even that would be a sure thing.Look at VH.


Completely off topic: Deano,for the last time,I am politely asking you to leave me out of your rants.Enough is enough.

[SteveForever]

What mess? Do tell. I'm not involved with your mess.
Enough, take it to a pm, I am not going to defend myself and no you don't know who I know in the entertainment business, there is no way you know.
If you are referring to people on this board, as far as I know I'm friendly with everyone here-if not, then its news to me.