Lora Beard-

[FormerJrnyFan]

Nobody cares about the last 10 years with Journey, except us regulars. Augeri who? JSS who? sorry.

What a fucking stupid comment. Just because you are narrow minded doesn't mean the rest of us are.

Idiot.

That is why I said "regulars" if you will read what I wrote asshole. The general public who is most interested in a t.v. show don't know who Augeri or JSS is, they might after the next album and yes he has his many fans, but he's not a huge household name imo. I've asked relatives, friends, young people, and people in the business and most of them don't even know that Journey had a singer change yet.

I just know that new music with Jeff will wake up the casual Journey fan and get the band noticed again, like they truly deserve...

[Rick]

I just know that new music with Jeff will wake up the casual Journey fan and get the band noticed again, like they truly deserve...

AMEN Sister!!!

[Rosebud]

I just know that new music with Jeff will wake up the casual Journey fan and get the band noticed again, like they truly deserve...

AMEN Sister!!!

I agree too, but don't think a Behind the Music is in demand just yet.

[Rockindeano]

Nobody cares about the last 10 years with Journey, except us regulars. Augeri who? JSS who? sorry.

What a fucking stupid comment. Just because you are narrow minded doesn't mean the rest of us are.

Idiot.

That is why I said "regulars" if you will read what I wrote asshole. The general public who is most interested in a t.v. show don't know who Augeri or JSS is, they might after the next album and yes he has his many fans, but he's not a huge household name imo. I've asked relatives, friends, young people, and people in the business and most of them don't even know that Journey had a singer change yet.

And you are 100% positive no one else outside MR or BT doesn't know Journey changed singers? Let's see, they just played in front of 400,000 people. I know there is not 400,000 people on these two boards.

Think again Miss.

[Rosebud]

Nobody cares about the last 10 years with Journey, except us regulars. Augeri who? JSS who? sorry.

What a fucking stupid comment. Just because you are narrow minded doesn't mean the rest of us are.

Idiot.

That is why I said "regulars" if you will read what I wrote asshole. The general public who is most interested in a t.v. show don't know who Augeri or JSS is, they might after the next album and yes he has his many fans, but he's not a huge household name imo. I've asked relatives, friends, young people, and people in the business and most of them don't even know that Journey had a singer change yet.

And you are 100% positive no one else outside MR or BT doesn't know Journey changed singers? Let's see, they just played in front of 400,000 people. I know there is not 400,000 people on these two boards.

Think again Miss.

Your question was should there be another BTM? nope, not enough people care. Argue all you want, call VH-1 ask them if they'll put up the money for it.
Everyone knew Perry with Journey.

[Rockindeano]

Nobody cares about the last 10 years with Journey, except us regulars. Augeri who? JSS who? sorry.

What a fucking stupid comment. Just because you are narrow minded doesn't mean the rest of us are.

Idiot.

That is why I said "regulars" if you will read what I wrote asshole. The general public who is most interested in a t.v. show don't know who Augeri or JSS is, they might after the next album and yes he has his many fans, but he's not a huge household name imo. I've asked relatives, friends, young people, and people in the business and most of them don't even know that Journey had a singer change yet.

And you are 100% positive no one else outside MR or BT doesn't know Journey changed singers? Let's see, they just played in front of 400,000 people. I know there is not 400,000 people on these two boards.

Think again Miss.

Your question was should there be another BTM? nope, not enough people care. Argue all you want, call VH-1 ask them if they'll put up the money for it.
Everyone knew Perry with Journey.

If I had an axe to grind, I can guaranfuckintee you, VH1 would take it in a heartbeat, especially if I wanted to tell the story. You all seem to forget that. That would be huge on VH1.

[Crazie Scarab]

I just had to stop in here to fart.

Ahh.. That's better!

[Deb]

Thanks everyone. It is difficult to read some of these posts and not respond. I am a fan but I cannot respond as a fan because people read so much into anything I post.

Which is a real shame that some would see your posts that way. I've heard a few, but I bet you and Cyndy have hours and hours of awesome stories and memories to share about the various artists you have worked with in your careers. You're very down to earth and it was cool meeting ya.........oh, and I guess Cyndy's OK too.

[Deb]

I just know that new music with Jeff will wake up the casual Journey fan and get the band noticed again, like they truly deserve...

Got this fan to notice again!

[Crazie Scarab]

I just know that new music with Jeff will wake up the casual Journey fan and get the band noticed again, like they truly deserve...

Got this fan to notice again!

Got me to notice again, too. Steve's "cracking" was wearing me out. Deen picking up the slack was great. But, now that we have Jeff, it is sure to draw even more back. IMO, of course!

[cyndy!]

Lora and Cyndy,
I was also a member of Journey Force back in the day.

thanks everyone for the kind words. i loved working on the journey force newsletters back in the day. we used to do our own bulk mailing, so lora, tim & i handled every single one of those newsletters before they went out - all 20,000 of them! i always wonder how many force members are still into journey today.

michael, when were you in the force?

[Rockindeano]

oops, busted

[StyxCollector]

They also - at least with mine - gave you leading things to point you to an answer which I didn't like.

Believe me, they tried that with Cyndy and I, too. I think they were disappointed that they didn't get any dirt on the band or any juicy stories from us.

I flat out refused to say something and they had to get me on camera saying I was not going to answer it. I realized pretty quickly they can take whatever I say, take one bit, and fly it in somewhere and take it out of context.

[Deb]

I flat out refused to say something and they had to get me on camera saying I was not going to answer it. I realized pretty quickly they can take whatever I say, take one bit, and fly it in somewhere and take it out of context.

I have always wondered about Perry's "I never felt like part of the band" comment on BTM.....was there more said before or after that part saying "why" he felt that way??? Or was only that part used for more shock value?

[cyndy!]

I have always wondered about Perry's "I never felt like part of the band" comment on BTM.....was there more said before or after that part saying "why" he felt that way??? Or was only that part used for more shock value?

they definitely edited it for extra drama

speaking of editing, what did deano post & delete just now?

[StyxCollector]

Let's face it, all of the BTMs are designed to ultimately be an entertaining story. That story needs protagonists and antagonists. With Journey and Styx, it's pretty clear who they're going to villify and who they aren't. In terms of the Styx one, clearly DDY has proverbially kissed and made up since he's done a few things with them since.

I mean, the bit they did on "penguins" in the Styx BTM is a genuinely entertaining moment - you know why that was in there. But you didn't see them dwelling on Tommy's drug use in the sense of how it affected the band, did they? No. You don't think they put Suzanne in there because she was just DDY's wife, do you?

So there are many sides to all stories, and in a 60 minute show, how do you adequately tell the story of a band with 30 years of complex history? You can't. For the casual fan or someone who is tuning in, VH-1 does what it set it out to do. Had they given Styx an extended version like they did Journey, maybe it would have been more balanced.

[Rockindeano]

speaking of editing, what did deano post & delete just now?

I was naughty and Lula caught me. It was a flattering comment to you, but like I said, inappropriate

[bluejeangirl76]

I have always wondered about Perry's "I never felt like part of the band" comment on BTM.....was there more said before or after that part saying "why" he felt that way??? Or was only that part used for more shock value?

they definitely edited it for extra drama

That has always been my suspicion. It was probably preceded by something like "When I joined in 1978..." (or something along that type of line) or possibly followed by some kind of qualifying statement that would make the comment unimportant and less dramatic. We can't have THAT going on. Must milk drama! Must create drama where there isn't any! Whatever the rest of that comment was, we may never know, but I always try to keep those things in mind watching those kind of shows. You're only seeing what they want you see, which is usually a completely distorted version of what actually took place.

[Michael Leigh]

Lora and Cyndy,
I was also a member of Journey Force back in the day.

thanks everyone for the kind words. i loved working on the journey force newsletters back in the day. we used to do our own bulk mailing, so lora, tim & i handled every single one of those newsletters before they went out - all 20,000 of them! i always wonder how many force members are still into journey today.

michael, when were you in the force?

83 or 84 until the end.I lived and still do in Maryland.

[TRAGChick]

That has always been my suspicion. It was probably preceded by something like "When I joined in 1978..." (or something along that type of line) or possibly followed by some kind of qualifying statement that would make the comment unimportant and less dramatic. We can't have THAT going on. Must milk drama! Must create drama where there isn't any! Whatever the rest of that comment was, we may never know, but I always try to keep those things in mind watching those kind of shows. You're only seeing what they want you see, which is usually a completely distorted version of what actually took place.

Hey, do you remember that lame-assed "attempt" in the "Director's Cut" to have that statement make more "sense"?

They cut back to Steve saying, "They had a nucleus between them that was strong..."

Freakin' cut and paste job!

Lora & Cyndy ~ what did you think of that one?

[bluejeangirl76]

Hey, do you remember that lame-assed "attempt" in the "Director's Cut" to have that statement make more "sense"?

They cut back to Steve saying, "They had a nucleus between them that was strong..."

Actually I don't think I've ever seen the directors cut... been trying to locate someone with a copy of it.

But yeah, if that line was another part of his "I never felt like part of the band" thing, then that only reinforces my point. For all anyone knows he might have only been talking about when he joined, or about the first couple of years, or until Gregg left and Jon came aboard, or something. Who knows. Point is, that one line that they focused on turned into probably a lot more than he meant it to be.

Friggin' editors!!

[cyndy!]

Hey, do you remember that lame-assed "attempt" in the "Director's Cut" to have that statement make more "sense"?

They cut back to Steve saying, "They had a nucleus between them that was strong..."

Freakin' cut and paste job!

Lora & Cyndy ~ what did you think of that one?

i was a little disappointed in how they edited it & highlighted all the negativity, but i wasn't surprised. the point of BTM is to attract viewers with drama & controversy - not to tell a complete, fair story.

one subject the director kept grilling us about was sherrie. we told him we had met her, but didn't know her. he said something like, "there are different levels of knowing. you didn't know her, but you knew her. what did you know?"

huh?

[Nunnayerbiz Ness]

where's my check?

I wonder if they will ever do another BTM on Journey, say part two? They should.

Doubt it, much more controversy to skate over...think Augeri would ask for full directorial control on Part 2 so the proper 'edits' could be managed?

[ohsherrie]

Hey, do you remember that lame-assed "attempt" in the "Director's Cut" to have that statement make more "sense"?

They cut back to Steve saying, "They had a nucleus between them that was strong..."

Actually I don't think I've ever seen the directors cut... been trying to locate someone with a copy of it.

But yeah, if that line was another part of his "I never felt like part of the band" thing, then that only reinforces my point. For all anyone knows he might have only been talking about when he joined, or about the first couple of years, or until Gregg left and Jon came aboard, or something. Who knows. Point is, that one line that they focused on turned into probably a lot more than he meant it to be.

Friggin' editors!!

If you watch Steve's facial expression when he says that you can clearly see that it was taken out of the context of a longer statement. I've alway suspected that it was said as a part of a discussion of his joining the band. Listen to his tone of voice and vocal inflections in the "they had this nucleus" statment and then the "never felt like part of the band" line and you can almost hear them being said as part of the same sentence.

[LucyFurr]

Thats why you can never fully believe what you see on tv. So much speculation, rumors, all come from a facial expression, a look, a word. We're grasping because we'll never really know!!!

[tammy]

Thanks everyone. It is difficult to read some of these posts and not respond. I am a fan but I cannot respond as a fan because people read so much into anything I post. It is tough to care about someone and see hurtful and inaccurate things said about them and not want to set the record straight. It makes me sad to see so many angry people engaging in all the trash talk. I know how lucky I am to have shared in the Journey experience for so many years and I treasure those memories and relationships.

**********

Lora, it must be pretty frustrating for you (and Cyndy) to not be able to freely express yourself...but, at least you know the truth of things. I think it is great when you both share little things we fans didn't know - like about the Prince story & other neat things.
I would love to hear about the first time you both met SP - did YOU get nervous & shaky - like the rest of us? It's so great that you have remained loyal friends since the beginning and for being there for the fans, too.

As for BTM, you both did well & sounded professional. Yeah, those shows are all about getting drama & dirt & ratings...what's wrong with just telling the story of the band, the history, the huge success? Why do people think that would be boring? I love slice-of-life stories...there doesn't have to be a plot.

[Lora]

I think it is great when you both share little things we fans didn't know - like about the Prince story & other neat things. I would love to hear about the first time you both met SP - did YOU get nervous & shaky - like the rest of us?

Absolutely. But I was the most nervous around Gregg Rolie because I had a crush on him. It took me awhile to be comfortable around the band members because I was (and still am) pretty shy.

[Crazie Scarab]

Thats why you can never fully believe what you see on tv. So much speculation, rumors, all come from a facial expression, a look, a word. We're grasping because we'll never really know!!!

Much like that of which we see on the network news channels, if you were to ask me.. But, you didn't.

[Rockindeano]

Absolutely. But I was the most nervous around Gregg Rolie because I had a crush on him.

Cyndy, I hope she forgives me for this but, had a crush on him?:wink:

It took me awhile to be comfortable around the band members because I was (and still am) pretty shy.

Really? Well, we can work on that when you come to VA to party with at least 100 MR peeps.

[tammy]

I think it is great when you both share little things we fans didn't know - like about the Prince story & other neat things. I would love to hear about the first time you both met SP - did YOU get nervous & shaky - like the rest of us?

Absolutely. But I was the most nervous around Gregg Rolie because I had a crush on him. It took me awhile to be comfortable around the band members because I was (and still am) pretty shy.

Oh, that is sweet - I'm glad to hear you had a crush on a band member (I be crushin' on SP & that ain't no secret) . Also, very shy, too. Do you still have contact with GR? Wish he had been able to be at the WOF ceremony, that would've been great - he was the only one missing. BTW, how long did it take to get the Star for Journey? I am certain I read in an old interview from the 80s that this was gonna happen?? Did it really take that long?
Do you & Cyndy have journalism experience? I thought from reading through the past Journey force newsletters that you both were journalists.
Let me know the next time you come down to L.A., it would be great to meet up...maybe, when Neal plays with Marco M. since Marco often plays nearby.