OT: A Little RUSH PR

[JrnyScarab]

You Rush fans DO know they ripped off Journey right?

Now I have heard it all!!!!!!!!!

Shall I embarrass you publicly or privately? Being that you just called me out for poking fun (no pun intended), at Lou Gramm, I will call you out now.

Neal Schon himself has said this publicly, in fact before a show last year on the 30th yr tour. Nickel and Dime was ripped by Rush.

Andrew, please research before you go off on people

LOL! Deano's right on this one Andrew, although it's only the ending of Tom Sawyer that sounds like Nickel & Dime.

[Rockindeano]

Awwwwww. The scoreboard NEVER lies.

Deano 1
'Bat 0

[Andrew]

Scoreboard in relaity should read:

Wombat - 2000
Deano - 1

Good luck catching up.

Back to the point - Ok, so there's one familiar riff in there....but take a look at the Rush catalogue. They are certainly NOT a band that needs to "rip off" any artist and they have built a lengthy career on being unique.

[Rick]

I had never listened to Nickel and Dime before just now. That's a great fucking song! I see what you mean about that song being ripped off. Tom Sawyer sure sounds a lot the same in places. I had never heard anyone say that it was ripped off before, but it sure makes a compelling argument.

[Rockindeano]

Scoreboard in relaity should read:

Wombat - 2000
Deano - 1

Good luck catching up.

Back to the point - Ok, so there's one familiar riff in there....but take a look at the Rush catalogue. They are certainly NOT a band that needs to "rip off" any artist and they have built a lengthy career on being unique.

So you can arbitrarily make up a fake scoreboard because you own this place?

I won't stop til I catch up. Thanks Andrew, you sir have inspired me to post even more now.

[Carlitto H@kk]

I can't believe this arguement...
Rush is legendary.

[Moon Beam]

I can't believe this arguement...
Rush is legendary.

Good man Carlitto, good man.

[Angiekay]

So THIS is where the "I hate Rush" retards meet. Good to know.

[Rockindeano]

I KNEW Angie would be in sooner or later, with that Goddamned purple ink.

[7 Wishes]

Do you realize how many catapult-building, pimple-faced, trifocals-donning, Buster Brown-wearing, prematurely balding D&D-obsessed, pocket protector-wielding computer geeks you have pissed off my suggesting Rush ripped off Journey? I'd watch my back, if I were you. They'll put a Trojan in your Mac before you can whistle the bass line to "Xanadu".

[The Fly]

Stole this from the front page. Interesting stuff about how many records they've sold.

A LITTLE RUSH PR:
Some of the press releases I get sent are laughable in their content and over the top overtures about the artist they are attempting to promote. I got another good one today, but in this case it's all true and I love the band, so over the PR people!
5 Things You May Not Know About Rush
1. The Canadian power trio have sold MORE records in the U.S. than The Police, The Who, The Beach Boys, Stevie Wonder, Paul McCartney, Jimi Hendrix, Kiss, Paul Simon, R.E.M....do I really need to go on here, people? (source RIAA.com)
2. Rush was named "Group of the Millennium" by the Harvard National Lampoon (and Harvard kids are WICKED smart).
3. Rush has 2 annual, international fan conventions (RushCon and EuCon). Highly doubtful we'll see BritneyCon or J-LoFest anytime soon.
4. ***The New Rush album Snakes + Arrows hits stores May 1ST!!!*** (#4 is always reserved for shameless promotion).
5. We conducted an empirically-extensive, painstakingly-performed, no-one-held-at-gunpoint poll, backed by science, reason, logic and one thunderous drumbeat, the result of which demonstrated without question or doubt that Rush Rules (...ah, you knew that one already).
Rush - Snakes + Arrows - Release Date May 1, 2007.
Go to www.rush.com to hear the new single Far Cry - or here via Windows Media: streamos.atlrec.com/wmedia/atlantic/rush/farcry/farycry_radio.wax.

6. Rush sucks...period. That dude's voice is shrill and difficult to listen to.

RUSH RULES!!!!!

[The Fly]

You Rush fans DO know they ripped off Journey right?

Now I have heard it all!!!!!!!!!

Shall I embarrass you publicly or privately? Being that you just called me out for poking fun (no pun intended), at Lou Gramm, I will call you out now.

Neal Schon himself has said this publicly, in fact before a show last year on the 30th yr tour. Nickel and Dime was ripped by Rush.

Andrew, please research before you go off on people

LOL! Deano's right on this one Andrew, although it's only the ending of Tom Sawyer that sounds like Nickel & Dime.

Only a lame attempt to gain respect. That whole claim made me want to throw up! Neal only wishes he could rock like Rush. I love Journey, but no Band compares to the talent in Rush! Their new CD will outsell all Journey has released since Perry left. Period!

[larryfromnextdoor]

Wombat-2000 would be a GREAT name for a rock band!! people would always come up to ya and ask how you came up with that name, they would never believe it!

[7 Wishes]

Fly, Rush has "prog rocked" much harder than Journey over the years, and I have every last record they ever put out, as well as...ummm...other stuff.

What Journey lacks in "rocking out" as much as Rush, they've made up for in diversity. It's just two different worlds. Rush has never delved into the blues, for example, whereas Journey has forayed into unknown territories before. Hell, Dream Theater is an awesome band, but they're a little one-dimensional.

[Rick]

Sure, Journey doesn't rock as hard, but their catalog buries Rush. Neal buries Lifeson in talent.

[StyxCollector]

I'm kinda shocked. Rush is one of my favorite bands. And I'm in a Rush tribute band myself.

What got me into them was the musicianship, much like that is ultimately what drew me into Journey.

[7 Wishes]

Good luck with that. Several other talentless retreads and I attempted to do a Rush cover band in high school. Several people went deaf as a result, and over a dozen lawsuits (ranging from defamation to personal injury) are still pending. Well, we kind of pulled off "Rivendell", but it didn't go over too well at the prom.

[StyxCollector]

Good luck with that. Several other talentless retreads and I attempted to do a Rush cover band in high school. Several people went deaf as a result, and over a dozen lawsuits (ranging from defamation to personal injury) are still pending. Well, we kind of pulled off "Rivendell", but it didn't go over too well at the prom.

We've been doing it for 5 years and have plenty of gigs under our belt. You can't half ass it.

[verslibre]

Yes, Geddy's voice is screechy, but come on - Limelight, Tom Sawyer, Spirit of Radio, Subdivisions. I could go on and on listing great tracks. One of the most unique sounding bands out there. I got over Geddy's voice after I heard the great playing by the band. And you only like one Zep song! What DO you like besides Journey, Justin Timberlake?

Ed

Gedd's voice hasn't been "screechy" since the '70s. The dipshits who bag on Rush and go on to suggest "Journey is a better band," "has a better catalog," "makes better music than ____," etc., just crack me up. There's more talent in 1/3 of Rush than the sum total of many other bands. Nor is Rush a cock-rock nostalgia act that struggles to exist in the wake of ceaseless personnel shifts and in-fighting (*cough* Journey *cough*).

By the way, Rush's new studio CD comes out May 1. Can't wait.

[verslibre]

I had never listened to Nickel and Dime before just now. That's a great fucking song! I see what you mean about that song being ripped off. Tom Sawyer sure sounds a lot the same in places. I had never heard anyone say that it was ripped off before, but it sure makes a compelling argument.

And one that is no longer relevant.

[Rick]

The dipshits who bag on Rush and go on to suggest "Journey is a better band," "has a better catalog," "makes better music than ____," etc., just crack me up. There's more talent in 1/3 of Rush than the sum total of many other bands. Nor is Rush a cock-rock nostalgia act that struggles to exist in the wake of ceaseless personnel shifts and in-fighting (*cough* Journey *cough*).

The numbers speak for themselves don't they? I like Rush, but Journey is an all around better band. They have a diversity that Rush doesn't know. Everyone has their own personal preference, it's tit for tat. As for the personnel shifts and in-fighting, so fucking what, they're into their 5th lead singer, 2nd keyboard player, 6th drummer, and back to their 1st bassist. They've been together and broken up a couple of times. Haven't recorded or toured as a band for a 3 and 10 year stretch, and have still managed to outsell Rush. Dipshit? Fuck you.

[verslibre]

I like Rush, but Journey is an all around better band. They have a diversity that Rush doesn't know.

"Diversity"? Rush plays circles around Journey in terms of diversity. They've albums that almost don't even sound like the same band (in a good way), save for the vocals. Compare Hemispheres to Signals to Counterparts to Vapor Trails — see (hear) what I mean?

Haven't recorded or toured as a band for a 3 and 10 year stretch, and have still managed to outsell Rush.

"Outselling" Rush as of when? Borrow or rent a copy of Rush In Rio. When's the last time Journey played in front of a crowd that large? The South American shows were just a couple years ago, not from Rush's commercial peak circa the early-to-mid 1980s.

The bottom line is: Rush nay-sayers can moan all they want. A straw man argument is still a straw man argument.

[verslibre]

P.S. I'm surprised you wrote the paragraph above since you're the same guy who posted:

Rush is one of my favorite bands. They have a very unique sound of their own. Geddy's voice is pretty shrilly at times but over all, they have put out some excellent music. Red Barchetta always makes me want to drive too fast, and tunes like The Spirit of Radio, Freewill and Limelight are great as well.

[MartyMoffatt]

Fly, Rush has "prog rocked" much harder than Journey over the years, and I have every last record they ever put out, as well as...ummm...other stuff.

What Journey lacks in "rocking out" as much as Rush, they've made up for in diversity. It's just two different worlds. Rush has never delved into the blues, for example, whereas Journey has forayed into unknown territories before. Hell, Dream Theater is an awesome band, but they're a little one-dimensional.

Er.. what planet are you on? When it comes to diversity Rush have few equals. From their very early Zeppelin influenced roots, through the pro rock years and into areas that don't really have a category, Rush have continuously pushed back the barriers and moved into unknown territory. Every 4-5 albums they seem to head off in a completely new direction. Along the way, they've experimented with reggae, jazz, new wave, rap, and many other genres of music. The only other band I've seen that had a similar desire and ability to leave their safety zone and still retain their fanbase was Queen.

Much as I love Journey, they have not really altered their 'signature'sound for 20 odd years, and all of their albums sit within their safety zone. There is diversity within each album, and the musicianship is unquestionable, but there has been no really detectable progression from album to album. Maybe with JSS on board that will change.

Marty

[Matthew]

Fly, Rush has "prog rocked" much harder than Journey over the years, and I have every last record they ever put out, as well as...ummm...other stuff.

What Journey lacks in "rocking out" as much as Rush, they've made up for in diversity. It's just two different worlds. Rush has never delved into the blues, for example, whereas Journey has forayed into unknown territories before. Hell, Dream Theater is an awesome band, but they're a little one-dimensional.

Er.. what planet are you on? When it comes to diversity Rush have few equals. From their very early Zeppelin influenced roots, through the pro rock years and into areas that don't really have a category, Rush have continuously pushed back the barriers and moved into unknown territory. Every 4-5 albums they seem to head off in a completely new direction. Along the way, they've experimented with reggae, jazz, new wave, rap, and many other genres of music. The only other band I've seen that had a similar desire and ability to leave their safety zone and still retain their fanbase was Queen.

Much as I love Journey, they have not really altered their 'signature'sound for 20 odd years, and all of their albums sit within their safety zone. There is diversity within each album, and the musicianship is unquestionable, but there has been no really detectable progression from album to album. Maybe with JSS on board that will change.

Marty

Marty - I agree with most of your post - but I'd say that Rush haven't actually evolved or surprised us that much since Hold Your Fire. Between 1974 and 1987 they went through extraordinary changes in style - but other than a shift back to basics and a heavier sound recently there's something a bit samey about much of Rush's output since the late 1980s. Also - I think their song-writing has declined. The arrangements are always great but the songs themselves are becoming increasingly disappointing, I reckon.

But they are still incredible live - possibly better than ever.

As for Journey...well, compare their first album with Raised On Radio. They sound totally different. Journey went through some extraordinary changes too between the mid-70s and the mid-80s. But I agree that all of Journey's post-ROR work has been too formulaic and it's time to shake things up again.

[NealIsGod]

Why do certain people turn everything into a competition? RUSH is great. Journey is great. April Wine is... uh... what did they do besides "Sign of the Gypsy Queen"?

[Liquid_Drummer]

Rush fucking rocks. I cant listen to the early catalog myself because the shrill Geddy of old grew tiresome on the ears. However, Rush from 1981 too 2002 fucking rocks accepty that damn Test for Echo album. THey have managed to roll with the changes, incorperate modern day sounds in to the music without it sounding copied and who doesnt know who Neil Fucking Peart is !! Someone slammed Yes I saw ? THey look old, so what. I know the music is a fucking beauty contest these days but can we forget about that for a second and listen to the music please ? I wouldnt care if every member of Journey looked like Steve Howe (someone please photoshop this as it would be so funny) I would listen to them anyway. They could be leppers as long as they kept their distance. I would be willing to bet a lot of people are judging Rush and Yes from what they have heard on the radio and as we knoe from being Journey fans some of the best tracks are deep in the album. Same goes for these bands.

And I think April Wines biggest in America was high roller.

[Lady Luck]

April Wine is... uh... what did they do besides "Sign of the Gypsy Queen"?

"Just Between You and Me." That was the song for our 9th grade dance.

[Melissa]

Not a HUGE Rush fan, but they've grown on me the last 13 years, being married to a big fan, lol.

Have seen them live, great live.

[conversationpc]

Couldn't agree more. 3 bands whose popularity always had me shaking my head. Their music is pure shit. From Zep. I like "Trampled Under Foot" from Yes I like nothing...not 1 fuckin' song, and from Rush I like "The Temples Of Syrinx". Other than that, pure garbage.

You crack addicts need to get with the program. Yes, Geddy's voice is screechy, but come on - Limelight, Tom Sawyer, Spirit of Radio, Subdivisions. I could go on and on listing great tracks. One of the most unique sounding bands out there. I got over Geddy's voice after I heard the great playing by the band. And you only like one Zep song! What DO you like besides Journey, Justin Timberlake?

JrnyScarab, I couldn't agree more with your post and couldn't disagree more with saint john's post...

As for Rush, Geddy's voice hasn't been screachy since the very early 80s and is far from it now. There aren't many bands out there that have sold more albums AND had more influence on other bands than Rush. There are only a handful that can claim that. Zeppelin, The Beatles, Elvis, Hendrix, The Rolling Stones, and perhaps the Who and that's about it. Also, Rush is one of the few great bands that have managed to maintain their popularity without many real chart-topping hits. They've managed to do it based on the entire body of their work, rather than just a few hits here and there. Also, as a correction, they don't have a song called "The Temples of Syrinx". It is actually only one small part of the title track to "2112" and, in my opinion, is the weakest part of that tune.

Yes is nearly as unique as Rush but I can see why some might not like them. Other than a few years in the 80s, they didn't write music seemingly only for chart success. Heck, even their "successful" music from the 70s were often just sections of longer songs, i.e. "Soon" from "The Gates of Delirium" and even the shortened version of "Roundabout". The lineup Yes had in the early 70s with Bill Bruford on drums, Rick Wakeman on keys, Chris Squire on bass, Steve Howe on guitar, and Jon Anderson on vocals, is still one of the best lineups musicianship-wise of any rock band ever, rivalled only by perhaps a handful of other bands.

As far as Zeppelin goes, I'm not a huge fan of theirs but I still have quite a few of their songs in my favorites folder on my hard drive. There's no doubting their HUGE influence on rock music even today.