OT: Shaw and Blades

[Saint John]

You are both wacked out of your skulls.

St John, you are a fucking blinded retard when you put down Lennon and McCartney. They are the standard to which every team is measured. hell, I proved to you last night "Your team" wasn't as good as Adams/Vallance and now you ignore that beat down and go for the fucking Beatles? Dude, check yourself.

Tom, you are higher than high. Luke is awesome, but to say he has been on more albums than neal? So? Neal has toured every year for 9 years, put out what, 5 solo records, had Soul Sirkus on the side...there simply is not enough more time for him to do anything else.

Go drown youself in a "Yellow Submarine." Great, profound lyrics there!

[Rockindeano]

I suppose Let it Be is an awful song too?

[Tomulator]

You are both wacked out of your skulls.

St John, you are a fucking blinded retard when you put down Lennon and McCartney. They are the standard to which every team is measured. hell, I proved to you last night "Your team" wasn't as good as Adams/Vallance and now you ignore that beat down and go for the fucking Beatles? Dude, check yourself.

Tom, you are higher than high. Luke is awesome, but to say he has been on more albums than neal? So? Neal has toured every year for 9 years, put out what, 5 solo records, had Soul Sirkus on the side...there simply is not enough more time for him to do anything else.

Deano,

We were debating who the better PLAYER is. I think it is entirely RELEVENT to list one's total body of work as PROOF of their talent.

Luke has been playing since his teens as well and has a BALL BUSTING collection of credits to his name.

That is FACT.

[Saint John]

I suppose Let it Be is an awful song too?

You fucked up...this PURE SHIT. Read it....fuckin' read it. Garbage.


When I find myself in times of trouble, mother Mary comes to me,
speaking words of wisdom, let it be.
And in my hour of darkness she is standing right in front of me,
speaking words of wisdom, let it be.

Let it be, let it be, let it be, let it be.
Whisper words of wisdom, let it be.

And when the broken hearted people living in the world agree,
there will be an answer, let it be.
For though they may be parted there is still a chance that they will see,
there will be an answer. let it be.

Let it be, let it be, .....

And when the night is cloudy, there is still a light, that shines on me,
shine until tomorrow, let it be.
I wake up to the sound of music, mother Mary comes to me,
speaking words of wisdom, let it be.

Let it be, let it be, .....

[Tomulator]

I bet if you asked NS who is better...he'd say Luke. That is type of guy BOTH of those two are.

Um no, they are not BOTH like that. Neal is very different than that. He will tell you face to face he is better than whomever he thinks he is. He is NOT humble.

BTW, since you seem to know Neal, have you ever asked him if he thinks he's better than Luke?

[chf34jmac]

SJ and Deano,

You guys are too fuckin easy! One comment about the Beatles and you two go apeshit fighting over them. Great for a few laughs.


As saint john told me "let's move on to tearing up the assholes that really need it"

[junky]

Tomulator,

I'm open minded.

Can you show us something other than an instructional video?

Maybe something live?

[Tomulator]

Tomulator,

I'm open minded.

Can you show us something other than an instructional video?

Maybe something live?

Have you heard of Youtube?

Also,

www.stevelukather.com

Check it. BTW, don't let your hatred of Toto "blind" you to what Luke is playing.

[junky]

Tomulator,

I'm open minded.

Can you show us something other than an instructional video?

Maybe something live?

Have you heard of Youtube?

Also,

www.stevelukather.com

Check it. BTW, don't let your hatred of Toto "blind" you to what Luke is playing.

Wher did I say I hated Toto?

[Tomulator]

Tomulator,

I'm open minded.

Can you show us something other than an instructional video?

Maybe something live?

Have you heard of Youtube?

Also,

www.stevelukather.com

Check it. BTW, don't let your hatred of Toto "blind" you to what Luke is playing.

Wher did I say I hated Toto?

You didn't...sorry. It's just that there seem to be so many "Toto-haters" on here.

Try this one on for size...hang in there through the song and just check out Luke's phrasing, note selection, and tone. Very powerful.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_ExP-cyRGE

[Tomulator]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8RE6gkFquw&NR

Here's a short little diddy for ya!

[junky]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8RE6gkFquw&NR

Here's a short little diddy for ya!

It's a matter of opinion, but what i like about Neal is his longevity.

A lot of guitarists can do short little diddies.

Gently weeps was nice. It's so focused on Steve.

What I like about Neal is that he can inject his sound into a song and make it work with everything else thats going on.

[7 Wishes]

They are equals with their technical skills, but Neal's repertoire is more diverse and impressive. He can do hard rock, melodic rock, the blues, Latin, jazz, ballads, and metal with equal brilliance. Sorry, Luke is great, and I love Toto, but Neal is God.

[Rockindeano]

BTW, since you seem to know Neal, have you ever asked him if he thinks he's better than Luke?

Never ocurred to me to ask him about Luke.

[Saint John]

BTW, since you seem to know Neal, have you ever asked him if he thinks he's better than Luke?

Never ocurred to me to ask him about Luke.

Why would ANYONE ask such a stupid fuckin' question?

[sindee67]

SJ, I agree with you mostly, in your comments, except when it comes to the BEATLES..
They, after almost 50 years, are still on top, and just keep rising
Nothing or no one will ever come close the BEATLES, EVER!!!!!
There are so many guitar greats. How do you pick just one. It has everything to do with taste.
No one has yet to mention Les Paul, Steve Gaines, or the GREAT JIMI HENDRIX.
There are so many more!
I don't agree with some things that Neal has said or done, but, it doesn't take away
from the fact the man has talent.

How about some STEVIE RAY VAUGHN

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0zy0lqpOyc

[Tomulator]

They are equals with their technical skills, but Neal's repertoire is more diverse and impressive. He can do hard rock, melodic rock, the blues, Latin, jazz, ballads, and metal with equal brilliance. Sorry, Luke is great, and I love Toto, but Neal is God.

You have no idea about Luke and his diversity.

Name a style...almost ANY style...and Luke can play it. Much much more so than Neal. Did you check out Luke's discography????

Click on a few of the links if you don't believe me...talk about diversity!!

[Tomulator]

BTW, since you seem to know Neal, have you ever asked him if he thinks he's better than Luke?

Never ocurred to me to ask him about Luke.

Why would ANYONE ask such a stupid fuckin' question?

I respect you even less now...post again...and I'll respect you even less.

You sir, are an immature ass.

[Tomulator]

They are equals with their technical skills, but Neal's repertoire is more diverse and impressive. He can do hard rock, melodic rock, the blues, Latin, jazz, ballads, and metal with equal brilliance. Sorry, Luke is great, and I love Toto, but Neal is God.

Feast your ears on this one...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DoMcA1sXyCw

[7 Wishes]

I'd wager that if you asked 100 axe-slingers who was the more talented, 95 of them would tell you it was Neal. Santana asked him to join the band when he was 15...after NS had turned down Clapton! By the way, a lot of those solos on the first record with Santana's were Neal's, too. Tomulator, you're definitely in the minority on this topic/

[Tomulator]

I'd wager that if you asked 100 axe-slingers who was the more talented, 95 of them would tell you it was Neal. Santana asked him to join the band when he was 15...after NS had turned down Clapton! By the way, a lot of those solos on the first record with Santana's were Neal's, too. Tomulator, you're definitely in the minority on this topic/

Minority?

Not by musicians "in the know". To the uneducated like yourself maybe.



PS Luke is better.

[Rick]

I'd wager that if you asked 100 axe-slingers who was the more talented, 95 of them would tell you it was Neal. Santana asked him to join the band when he was 15...after NS had turned down Clapton! By the way, a lot of those solos on the first record with Santana's were Neal's, too. Tomulator, you're definitely in the minority on this topic/

Minority?

Not by musicians "in the know". To the uneducated like yourself maybe.



PS Luke is better.

You're out of your fucking mind. If Neal and Steve sat down to jam, it wouldn't take 3 minutes and Steve would be saying "Hey dude, show me that lick again." Neal could and can play circles around Steve Lukather. He's a hell of a guitar player, don't get me wrong. But, he's no Neal Schon.

[Tomulator]

I'd wager that if you asked 100 axe-slingers who was the more talented, 95 of them would tell you it was Neal. Santana asked him to join the band when he was 15...after NS had turned down Clapton! By the way, a lot of those solos on the first record with Santana's were Neal's, too. Tomulator, you're definitely in the minority on this topic/

Minority?

Not by musicians "in the know". To the uneducated like yourself maybe.



PS Luke is better.

You're out of your fucking mind. If Neal and Steve sat down to jam, it wouldn't take 3 minutes and Steve would be saying "Hey dude, show me that lick again." Neal could and can play circles around Steve Lukather. He's a hell of a guitar player, don't get me wrong. But, he's no Neal Schon.

Rarely have I read such an IGNORANT post.

If you only knew how WRONG you are.

[Rockindeano]

Tom, I take it you like the taste of Luke's Jizz. You must get Luke to buy you a pro grade set of knee pads..

Fucking tool.

[Rick]

I'd wager that if you asked 100 axe-slingers who was the more talented, 95 of them would tell you it was Neal. Santana asked him to join the band when he was 15...after NS had turned down Clapton! By the way, a lot of those solos on the first record with Santana's were Neal's, too. Tomulator, you're definitely in the minority on this topic/

Minority?

Not by musicians "in the know". To the uneducated like yourself maybe.



PS Luke is better.

You're out of your fucking mind. If Neal and Steve sat down to jam, it wouldn't take 3 minutes and Steve would be saying "Hey dude, show me that lick again." Neal could and can play circles around Steve Lukather. He's a hell of a guitar player, don't get me wrong. But, he's no Neal Schon.

Rarely have I read such an IGNORANT post.

If you only knew how WRONG you are.

That's cool dude, you're all into Lukather, that's ok. He's a great guitar player, no doubt. But if you think he's better than Neal Schon, that's your opinion, but I stand by what I said earlier. You sit those two side by side, and Lukather is the student. Period. You've got to be one deluded motherfucker to think otherwise. Neal Schon is a master guitar player.

[yulog]

Okay i will say this Luke has a better voice!

[Tomulator]

Tom, I take it you like the taste of Luke's Jizz. You must get Luke to buy you a pro grade set of knee pads..

Fucking tool.

Beano,

Being the FIRST CLASS TOOL you are...you would know a thing or two about that.

Kiss my hairy white ass you dork. And get a life will ya?

Were you picked on as a child or something?

You are quite pathetic.

[Tomulator]

I'd wager that if you asked 100 axe-slingers who was the more talented, 95 of them would tell you it was Neal. Santana asked him to join the band when he was 15...after NS had turned down Clapton! By the way, a lot of those solos on the first record with Santana's were Neal's, too. Tomulator, you're definitely in the minority on this topic/

Minority?

Not by musicians "in the know". To the uneducated like yourself maybe.



PS Luke is better.

You're out of your fucking mind. If Neal and Steve sat down to jam, it wouldn't take 3 minutes and Steve would be saying "Hey dude, show me that lick again." Neal could and can play circles around Steve Lukather. He's a hell of a guitar player, don't get me wrong. But, he's no Neal Schon.

Rarely have I read such an IGNORANT post.

If you only knew how WRONG you are.

That's cool dude, you're all into Lukather, that's ok. He's a great guitar player, no doubt. But if you think he's better than Neal Schon, that's your opinion, but I stand by what I said earlier. You sit those two side by side, and Lukather is the student. Period. You've got to be one deluded motherfucker to think otherwise. Neal Schon is a master guitar player.

You really don't have a clue if you think Neal wouldn't be asking Luke how he plays many things if they ever played together.

I am MUCH MORE INFORMED on playing guitar than you. Therefore, my opinion holds more "weight" than yours does.

We'll just have to "agree to disagree" on this one but, you really are ignorant on Luke's playing while I have probably heard most ALL of Neal's stuff (and love most of it too).

[Rick]

Tom, I take it you like the taste of Luke's Jizz. You must get Luke to buy you a pro grade set of knee pads..

Fucking tool.

Beano,

Being the FIRST CLASS TOOL you are...you would know a thing or two about that.

Kiss my hairy white ass you dork. And get a life will ya?

Were you picked on as a child or something?

You are quite pathetic.

You know what ass face? You come into a "JOURNEY" message board and start spewing shit about Lukather being better than Schon, and expect something different? Go to the Toto message board and spew your shit over there. You will be talking to yourself though, because there's nobody there! You know why? I think you do.

[Rick]

I am MUCH MORE INFORMED on playing guitar than you. Therefore, my opinion holds more "weight" than yours does.]

Man you just don't know when to shut the fuck up. Take your highly informed ass outside and play hide and go fuck yourself.