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[Red13JoePa]

I recall the thread Dave, a complete cheap shot on Neal ...we were not amused.

[L~L~L]

Am I the only person who actually enjoyed Joe Reardon/Journeytroll's posts at TJF?

Honestly I thought JT/JR was very well behaved and funny. I am confused as how strangegrey can say JT/JR had multiple usernames yet he never posted from the same IP. So how can strangegrey make that claim of JT/JR using multiples? By the way I liked reading the forum.

[weedavey]

have i joined at a bad time?

[conversationpc]

Am I the only person who actually enjoyed Joe Reardon/Journeytroll's posts at TJF?

Honestly I thought JT/JR was very well behaved and funny. I am confused as how strangegrey can say JT/JR had multiple usernames yet he never posted from the same IP. So how can strangegrey make that claim of JT/JR using multiples? By the way I liked reading the forum.

Well, he was either able to renew his IP address quite frequently and grabbed different IP addresses each time or was somehow able to mask his real IP address.

[stingthebeerdrinker]

Am I the only person who actually enjoyed Joe Reardon/Journeytroll's posts at TJF?

Honestly I thought JT/JR was very well behaved and funny. I am confused as how strangegrey can say JT/JR had multiple usernames yet he never posted from the same IP. So how can strangegrey make that claim of JT/JR using multiples? By the way I liked reading the forum.

I read my brother's site when Reardon was on there. He was a freak. Part of the problem I think is a bunch of people forgiving that idiot. "Oh he was nice on one site, but a psycho on every other one."

C'mon. You do not deal with the devil and expect anything less that bullshit.

[whocares]

have i joined at a bad time?

no, just take note that you'll be on double secret probation, though.

[Matthew]

Am I the only person who actually enjoyed Joe Reardon/Journeytroll's posts at TJF?

Honestly I thought JT/JR was very well behaved and funny. I am confused as how strangegrey can say JT/JR had multiple usernames yet he never posted from the same IP. So how can strangegrey make that claim of JT/JR using multiples? By the way I liked reading the forum.

I read my brother's site when Reardon was on there. He was a freak. Part of the problem I think is a bunch of people forgiving that idiot. "Oh he was nice on one site, but a psycho on every other one."

C'mon. You do not deal with the devil and expect anything less that bullshit.

There was nothing to forgive. As far as I could see, Joey Delight and Journeytroll put more effort into making that site work than anyone else. Except maybe O2.

I agree with Hots. Journeytroll has been made a scapegoat - and I have no idea why his name has even been brought up as a reason for the failure of that site.

Is Journeytroll Joe Reardon? Who cares? Even if he was Reardon he wasn't the only one using different user names - and to date there has been no conclusive proof that Journeytroll is Reardon in disguise anyway.

In fact...I say we welcome Journeytroll onto this site. I'm not sure why he was banned from MR in the first place last October. He was no more or less difficult or offensive than the rest of us.

[Monker]

Interesting. I only just read this thread. I avoided it because I figured it was probably about some topic like a pic of a five legged cow, or something.

I'll add a few thoughts.

First of all, I didn't think Joe's actions were bad on the forum itself. But, whatever was going on behind the scenes, I don't know...and I don't care to know. I can't believe he was THE reason the forum was shut down. Sky and Frank have dealt with worse then that in the past.

This is just my thoughts on the history of the entire situation.

Things are so divisive nowadays. People have their loyalties and that is just all there is to it. When the Journey forums was first announced, people here were all happy because it seemed like a slap in the face to BT...some even thought it was a signal that BT was closing down. Frank's posts were praised because he told it like it was about some of the BT loyalists....and he was slammed at BT. Hell, Dean was one of the first people to post there.

BT'ers saw it as just another place to slam on Augeri by the same old people...and Frank was crucified on BT.

Then when BT people started posting, it was slammed here as BT part 2...and of course I was posting there, and Fred was posting there. So, these STUPID "forum wars" started. I thought it was ridiculous and even made a post (in a thread that was deleted) that if I wanted to say something about MR, I would post it here...because it was nothing but a huge distraction for the journeyforums.com

So, what did we all learn from this? There are two extremes, and their is no room for a forum in the middle. It's like a third party canidate in an election...The people who are tired of the two parties have an option, but there is no hope of any REAL success for that campaign...because too many people are too loyal to their own party of choice to give the third a real chance.

That's too bad...because it's just another option. What is really wrong with that? It should be celebrated that somebody cares enough about the Journey legacy to put the time into starting a new forum. Instead, it is over-analyzed trying to figure out which of the two extremes the forum has aligned with.

But, whatever, it's over and done with now.

[Monker]

I agree with Hots. Journeytroll has been made a scapegoat - and I have no idea why his name has even been brought up as a reason for the failure of that site.

I think Frank already explained that...

It was the constant worry that he was going to forget to take his meds one day and then go all psycho....and i will add the fact that they dealt with him before and knew what he was capable of.

In fact...I say we welcome Journeytroll onto this site. I'm not sure why he was banned from MR in the first place last October. He was no more or less difficult or offensive than the rest of us.

Like I said in my other post, you don't know what has gone on behind the scenes (in Email, PM's, whatever). He was also banned years ago, for going all psycho.

[Matthew]

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So, what did we all learn from this? There are two extremes, and their is no room for a forum in the middle. It's like a third party canidate in an election...The people who are tired of the two parties have an option, but there is no hope of any REAL success for that campaign...because too many people are too loyal to their own party of choice to give the third a real chance.

Good point, Monker. I'm sure this is the real reason why it didn't work out.

I also think it wasn't given enough time to settle in - and that there were too many sub-forums as well which diluted the conversation. With just one discussion area and another few weeks it might just have worked.

But as you say...it's over now... so time to move on.

[Matthew]

Like I said in my other post, you don't know what has gone on behind the scenes (in Email, PM's, whatever). He was also banned years ago, for going all psycho.

Yes - I'm aware of what Reardon is capable of. But surely they could have simply banned him or refused him registration in the first place?

And again - where's the proof that Journeytroll is Reardon? And isn't is true that plenty of people go 'psycho' on MR and don't get banned?

[Monker]

Like I said in my other post, you don't know what has gone on behind the scenes (in Email, PM's, whatever). He was also banned years ago, for going all psycho.

Yes - I'm aware of what Reardon is capable of. But surely they could have simply banned him or refused him registration in the first place?

And again - where's the proof that Journeytroll is Reardon?

That's not their style. Like you said, he publicly did nothing "wrong" on the forums. If he would have slipped, I think he would have been banned. They treat everyone the same...which is what like about how they run their forum(s).

I am not claiming JT and Joe are the same person. But, isn't it a bit ironic that they always show up as a pair, and disapear as a pair? Like I've said, they may as well be the same person cuz they act and talk exactly the same.

[stingthebeerdrinker]

You all making fools of yourselves laying in bed with Reardon. You are making yourselves look like idiots.

When my brother, the guys from Journey Site Forums and Melodicrock all agree that says something that tells me all I need to know. Ed went to see Shaw Blades tonight. I wonder what he will say tomorrow?

[Matthew]

That's not their style. Like you said, he publicly did nothing "wrong" on the forums. If he would have slipped, I think he would have been banned. They treat everyone the same...which is what like about how they run their forum(s).

Yes me too.

I am not claiming JT and Joe are the same person. But, isn't it a bit ironic that they always show up as a pair, and disapear as a pair? Like I've said, they may as well be the same person cuz they act and talk exactly the same.

Well, they often show up as a pair - but the style of writing is completely different. Sure, it could be a skilful impersonation - but for someone as erratic as Reardon (who uses capitals,exclamation marks, dots and emoticons all over the place) ot might be hard to be so consistent about writing in the assured and orderly way that Journeytroll writes.

[Monker]

You all making fools of yourselves laying in bed with Reardon. You are making yourselves look like idiots.

When my brother, the guys from Journey Site Forums and Melodicrock all agree that says something that tells me all I need to know. Ed went to see Shaw Blades tonight. I wonder what he will say tomorrow?

WHO is 'in bed with Reardon'? I said on that forum, to Joe, that I was no fan of his...and he replied back to me that he was never a fan of mine either. So, I don't exactly see us as being 'in bed together'.

All I am saying is he did nothing worthy of banning him on TJF.com. That's the truth.

I think it is absolutely WRONG to ban somebody for what they said or did in a completely different forum. That is something that some claim BT has done. Why make an exception with Joe? To me that is not respecting the idea of creating a forum where all opinions are accepted, as long as you stayed within the rules. I think it would have been a bad idea to ban him from the outset...let him fuck up and then ban him. He didn't fuck up.

[Matthew]

You all making fools of yourselves laying in bed with Reardon. You are making yourselves look like idiots.

When my brother, the guys from Journey Site Forums and Melodicrock all agree that says something that tells me all I need to know. Ed went to see Shaw Blades tonight. I wonder what he will say tomorrow?

Well, your brother allowed Reardon full freedom on his site for over three months....

Also - he rightly had a sense of humour about AR's different user names - but when and if Reardon does it it becomes this really big deal and a constant worry. Why not have a sense of humour about that too?

[Matthew]

You all making fools of yourselves laying in bed with Reardon. You are making yourselves look like idiots.

When my brother, the guys from Journey Site Forums and Melodicrock all agree that says something that tells me all I need to know. Ed went to see Shaw Blades tonight. I wonder what he will say tomorrow?

WHO is 'in bed with Reardon'? I said on that forum, to Joe, that I was no fan of his...and he replied back to me that he was never a fan of mine either. So, I don't exactly see us as being 'in bed together'.

All I am saying is he did nothing worthy of banning him on TJF.com. That's the truth.

I think it is absolutely WRONG to ban somebody for what they said or did in a completely different forum. That is something that some claim BT has done. Why make an exception with Joe? To me that is not respecting the idea of creating a forum where all opinions are accepted, as long as you stayed within the rules. I think it would have been a bad idea to ban him from the outset...let him fuck up and then ban him. He didn't fuck up.

Exactly...

[Monker]

Well, they often show up as a pair - but the style of writing is completely different. Sure, it could be a skilful impersonation - but for someone as erratic as Reardon (who uses capitals,exclamation marks, dots and emoticons all over the place) ot might be hard to be so consistent about writing in the assured and orderly way that Journeytroll writes.

It's not as hard as you think.

i showed up on a sp forum. i wrote in lower case letters. i used very short sentences. nobody knew it was me.

That was years, and years, and years ago tho

[stingthebeerdrinker]

You all making fools of yourselves laying in bed with Reardon. You are making yourselves look like idiots.

When my brother, the guys from Journey Site Forums and Melodicrock all agree that says something that tells me all I need to know. Ed went to see Shaw Blades tonight. I wonder what he will say tomorrow?

WHO is 'in bed with Reardon'? I said on that forum, to Joe, that I was no fan of his...and he replied back to me that he was never a fan of mine either. So, I don't exactly see us as being 'in bed together'.

All I am saying is he did nothing worthy of banning him on TJF.com. That's the truth.

I think it is absolutely WRONG to ban somebody for what they said or did in a completely different forum. That is something that some claim BT has done. Why make an exception with Joe? To me that is not respecting the idea of creating a forum where all opinions are accepted, as long as you stayed within the rules. I think it would have been a bad idea to ban him from the outset...let him fuck up and then ban him. He didn't fuck up.

But you are only as good as you show yourself. I have been shown the stuff this guy does. Ok, he didn't do it where you all where- but have you seen it? Wow, he didn't do it where you were posting. He seems to be an asshole. Not something I would post and you are all fools. Go on to his site if he was so innocent.

The guys on these sites were right and you are all fucking nuts. I barely post here but I agree with all the guys that run these places.

[Matthew]

But you are only as good as you show yourself. I have been shown the stuff this guy does. Ok, he didn't do it where you are where- but have you seen it? Wow, he didn't do it where you were posting. He seems to be an asshole. Not something I would post and you are fools. Go onot his site if he was so innocent.

The guys on these sites were right and you are all fucking nuts. I barely post here but I agree with all the guys that run these places.

You're referring to the alt.music site? Well, I've seen posts on this site from regular members which are every bit as venomous. It's all part of the fun here - yet with Reardon the attitude suddenly goes all solemn and self-righteous.

[stingthebeerdrinker]

But you are only as good as you show yourself. I have been shown the stuff this guy does. Ok, he didn't do it where you are where- but have you seen it? Wow, he didn't do it where you were posting. He seems to be an asshole. Not something I would post and you are fools. Go onot his site if he was so innocent.

The guys on these sites were right and you are all fucking nuts. I barely post here but I agree with all the guys that run these places.

You're referring to the alt.music site? Well, I've seen posts on this site from regular members which are every bit as venomous.

Man go re-read.

Seriously. You want to align yourself with Reardon ? GO FOR IT!

[Monker]

But you are only as good as you show yourself. I have been shown the stuff this guy does. Ok, he didn't do it where you all where- but have you seen it? Wow, he didn't do it where you were posting. He seems to be an asshole. Not something I would post and you are all fools. Go on to his site if he was so innocent.

The guys on these sites were right and you are all fucking nuts. I barely post here but I agree with all the guys that run these places.

Dude, Sky owned the forum that Joe ORIGINALY posted on. I was there reading Joe's FIRST POSTS on a Journey forum. I read his posts on BT. I read his posts on Vh1.com (when it had a Journey forum anyways), I read his posts HERE. I've read his rants on alt.music.journey (joe's blog).

So, please, don't think I'm cluelesss on this.

The bottom line is Joe did nothing publicly worthy of being banned on tjf.com. If he had, he would have been banned. I have absolutely no doubt about that.

[stingthebeerdrinker]

Reardon has been posting IP's and names on weird gay porno sites. Do a google search of Journeytroll, Joeydelight and see how weird this dude is.

[stingthebeerdrinker]

I think Journey is not worth this shit by the way. I liked them this summer ok though. They are a good band and all.

[Monker]

Reardon has been posting IP's and names on weird gay porno sites. Do a google search of Journeytroll, Joeydelight and see how weird this dude is.

So what. Did he post it on tjf.com? No...if he did, he would have been banned.

[stingthebeerdrinker]

But you are only as good as you show yourself. I have been shown the stuff this guy does. Ok, he didn't do it where you all where- but have you seen it? Wow, he didn't do it where you were posting. He seems to be an asshole. Not something I would post and you are all fools. Go on to his site if he was so innocent.

The guys on these sites were right and you are all fucking nuts. I barely post here but I agree with all the guys that run these places.

Dude, Sky owned the forum that Joe ORIGINALY posted on. I was there reading Joe's FIRST POSTS on a Journey forum. I read his posts on BT. I read his posts on Vh1.com (when it had a Journey forum anyways), I read his posts HERE. I've read his rants on alt.music.journey (joe's blog).

So, please, don't think I'm cluelesss on this.

The bottom line is Joe did nothing publicly worthy of being banned on tjf.com. If he had, he would have been banned. I have absolutely no doubt about that.

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Don't know everything. but from what I have read it makes no difference what this person has done on one site. If you defend him, you are a party to it.

You want to align yourself with this nut?

[Matthew]

But you are only as good as you show yourself. I have been shown the stuff this guy does. Ok, he didn't do it where you are where- but have you seen it? Wow, he didn't do it where you were posting. He seems to be an asshole. Not something I would post and you are fools. Go onot his site if he was so innocent.

The guys on these sites were right and you are all fucking nuts. I barely post here but I agree with all the guys that run these places.

You're referring to the alt.music site? Well, I've seen posts on this site from regular members which are every bit as venomous.

Man go re-read.

Seriously. You want to align yourself with Reardon ? GO FOR IT!

Well, your brother must have been aware of the alt.music site and Reardon's history. It could equally be argued that he "aligned" himself with Reardon by allowing him to post on TJF.

[stingthebeerdrinker]

Reardon has been posting IP's and names on weird gay porno sites. Do a google search of Journeytroll, Joeydelight and see how weird this dude is.

So what. Did he post it on tjf.com? No...if he did, he would have been banned.

Man go hang with him then and BLOW your credibility.

[Monker]

But you are only as good as you show yourself. I have been shown the stuff this guy does. Ok, he didn't do it where you all where- but have you seen it? Wow, he didn't do it where you were posting. He seems to be an asshole. Not something I would post and you are all fools. Go on to his site if he was so innocent.

The guys on these sites were right and you are all fucking nuts. I barely post here but I agree with all the guys that run these places.

Dude, Sky owned the forum that Joe ORIGINALY posted on. I was there reading Joe's FIRST POSTS on a Journey forum. I read his posts on BT. I read his posts on Vh1.com (when it had a Journey forum anyways), I read his posts HERE. I've read his rants on alt.music.journey (joe's blog).

So, please, don't think I'm cluelesss on this.

The bottom line is Joe did nothing publicly worthy of being banned on tjf.com. If he had, he would have been banned. I have absolutely no doubt about that.

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Don't know everything. but from what I have read it makes no difference what this person has done on one site. If you defend him, you are a party to it.

You want to align yourself with this nut?

You don't get it. I'm not defending Joe.

I'm defending Sky, Frank, and Barbie's reasoning for NOT banning him.

They were in the right.

[stingthebeerdrinker]

All I know is that this guy is banned from the official Journey site, Melodicksrock, my brothers site, and the forums of Journey. That is enough for me. If you like him so much I think maybe you guys should go do your own site and see how it goes I guess.