Stop the Augeri Bashing!

[chf34jmac]

I was thinkin more along the lines of the Lowes music - No vocals and just the voice over explaining what lowes is all about.

[YoungJRNYfan]

Journey has had a blackmark even before Augeri was hired of what happend with Perry. Ask anybody, even before the Augerione came along, people will always remember Journey of the band who let Steve Perry walk,or why isn't Steve Perry in the band. Noone gives a fuck anymore except the diehards. You ask any fan about the Augeri era and they will be all like "huh?" But when it comes down to it, they won't be saying "Augeri Mimmed!" it will always be "Steve Perry was the heart and soul and god damn them for letting it happen."

Augeri could have publicly announded before each show. "Ladies and Gentleman, I announce that I will NOT be singing tonight, but I will be using tracks to get through this show. Thank you for comming out tonight."

He could have publicly exposed himself time and time again on stage. It doesn't matter.

Augeri was hired only for a safety measure. Only to keep Journey touring.

The black mark was permantly there when Perry left officially.

[chf34jmac]

youngjrnyfan wrote: Journey has had a blackmark even before Augeri was hired of what happend with Perry. Ask anybody, even before the Augerione came along, people will always remember Journey of the band who let Steve Perry walk,or why isn't Steve Perry in the band. Noone gives a fuck anymore except the diehards. You ask any fan about the Augeri era and they will be all like "huh?" But when it comes down to it, they won't be saying "Augeri Mimmed!" it will always be "Steve Perry was the heart and soul and god damn them for letting it happen"

The black mark was permantly there when Perry left officially.

You are not fucking serious are you? People leave bands all the time and the music lives on. But miming (note correct spelling ) does irreparable harm to the group's image.

[donnaplease]

Journey has had a blackmark even before Augeri was hired of what happend with Perry. Ask anybody, even before the Augerione came along, people will always remember Journey of the band who let Steve Perry walk,or why isn't Steve Perry in the band. Noone gives a fuck anymore except the diehards. You ask any fan about the Augeri era and they will be all like "huh?" But when it comes down to it, they won't be saying "Augeri Mimmed!" it will always be "Steve Perry was the heart and soul and god damn them for letting it happen"

The black mark was permantly there when Perry left officially.

While I don't necessarily disagree with what you say, SP didn't help his cause (if he has a cause) with his comment on BTM when he said "I never really felt like part of the band". That one will go down in Journey history as one of the dumbest remarks ever...

Journey has been spiraling downward since the mid-80's. They reached rock-bottom with TapeGate. I'm feeling very hopeful that Jeff Scott Soto can help them to climb back into the hearts of Journey fans everywhere. He will help them regain some of the respect they lost this past year or so, IMO.

[Matthew]

You ask any fan about the Augeri era and they will be all like "huh?" But when it comes down to it, they won't be saying "Augeri Mimmed!" it will always be "Steve Perry was the heart and soul and god damn them for letting it happen."

Very true, YoungJRNYfan.

[Rick]

Roycap, I'm not gonna slag you off for being an SA fan... but what the hell have you started?

I knew exactly where this thread was going the minute I saw it. This board is so predictable it would put a psychic out of a job.

city girls just seem to find out early.............

Eagles!!!

[Saint John]

Journey has had a blackmark even before Augeri was hired of what happend with Perry. Ask anybody, even before the Augerione came along, people will always remember Journey of the band who let Steve Perry walk,or why isn't Steve Perry in the band. Noone gives a fuck anymore except the diehards. You ask any fan about the Augeri era and they will be all like "huh?" But when it comes down to it, they won't be saying "Augeri Mimmed!" it will always be "Steve Perry was the heart and soul and god damn them for letting it happen"

The black mark was permantly there when Perry left officially.

While I don't necessarily disagree with what you say, SP didn't help his cause (if he has a cause) with his comment on BTM when he said "I never really felt like part of the band". That one will go down in Journey history as one of the dumbest remarks ever...

Journey has been spiraling downward since the mid-80's. They reached rock-bottom with TapeGate. I'm feeling very hopeful that Jeff Scott Soto can help them to climb back into the hearts of Journey fans everywhere. He will help them regain some of the respect they lost this past year or so, IMO.

Don't forget that we have NO idea what the context was that Perry said that in. Fuck, he could have been talking about Alien Project for all we know. Obviously, he wasn't but I'm just trying to convey the fact that the editors wanted to make the show as "juicy" as possible. Here are MY thoughts on why "he never really felt like part of the band."




Furthermore, Steve Perry was toured to death. Remember, his voice was his instrument. While the other members were able to mingle with women, sit in smoky bars all night and drink and party til dawn, Perry alienated himself from the band and from fans in order to be able to be his ABSOLUTE BEST ON STAGE. I simply don't think Neal Schon would have ever been able to make that sacrifice. I know he didn't have to....HIS instrument was detachable. He simply put his axe down and went partying. Perry's instrument needed to be cared for 24/7. And no, I'm not naive to the fact that Perry partied also, but as the band grew older, Perry grew further and further apart from the band because of his need to take care of his "instrument." I don't think the other guys ever stopped to think about exactly what Steve Perry sacrificed to make the band sound SO fuckin' good. They took him for granted and have been begging him back ever since. He did TBF and left again for whatever reason(s). Personally, I think he enjoyed sticking it to them "one more" time. And I can't say I disagree with that. Especially considering I never could stand Jonathon Cain, though I do respect the hell out of contributions.

[Rockindeano]

While I don't necessarily disagree with what you say, SP didn't help his cause (if he has a cause) with his comment on BTM when he said "I never really felt like part of the band". That one will go down in Journey history as one of the dumbest remarks ever...

I am probably one of the few who will now change his stance on this. I honestly believe that Perry's comment was inserted into a different time stanza in the BTM. I am not going to hold this over his head anylonger.

Journey has been spiraling downward since the mid-80's. They reached rock-bottom with TapeGate. I'm feeling very hopeful that Jeff Scott Soto can help them to climb back into the hearts of Journey fans everywhere. He will help them regain some of the respect they lost this past year or so, IMO.

Spiraling down? Well, not recording anything and being out of the bright lights is spiraling? They returned with TBF and the album debuted no. 3 on Billboard. Yeah, we all know it was sold to merchants on name recognitio, but still, that's hardly spiraling. Also, Journey's "bottom" is higher than a lot of bands' "top."

[Rockindeano]

You ask any fan about the Augeri era and they will be all like "huh?" But when it comes down to it, they won't be saying "Augeri Mimmed!" it will always be "Steve Perry was the heart and soul and god damn them for letting it happen."

Very true, YoungJRNYfan.

You are a fuckin Loon. So fucking sad.

You Perry worshippers disgust me.

[RocknRoll]

I am probably one of the few who will now change his stance on this. I honestly believe that Perry's comment was inserted into a different time stanza in the BTM. I am not going to hold this over his head anylonger.

I thought I read somewhere (HH?) that Perry had complete editorial control over the BTM episode. The whole thing doesn't make sense to me.

[Rockindeano]

I thought I read somewhere (HH?) that Perry had complete editorial control over the BTM episode. The whole thing doesn't make sense to me.

Naw, not everything.

[donnaplease]

While I don't necessarily disagree with what you say, SP didn't help his cause (if he has a cause) with his comment on BTM when he said "I never really felt like part of the band". That one will go down in Journey history as one of the dumbest remarks ever...

I am probably one of the few who will now change his stance on this. I honestly believe that Perry's comment was inserted into a different time stanza in the BTM. I am not going to hold this over his head anylonger.

Journey has been spiraling downward since the mid-80's. They reached rock-bottom with TapeGate. I'm feeling very hopeful that Jeff Scott Soto can help them to climb back into the hearts of Journey fans everywhere. He will help them regain some of the respect they lost this past year or so, IMO.

Spiraling down? Well, not recording anything and being out of the bright lights is spiraling? They returned with TBF and the album debuted no. 3 on Billboard. Yeah, we all know it was sold to merchants on name recognitio, but still, that's hardly spiraling. Also, Journey's "bottom" is higher than a lot of bands' "top."

I don't hold that comment over his head either, I'm simply stating that many people have remarked on that particular statement as it refers to Steve Perry and his participation in various aspects of the business end of the group. It's difficult to imagine that he truly never felt like he was a part of the band. If it was taken out of context, that is unfortunate, because it, along with "don't fracture the stone" are probably the 2 most remembered quotes of the whole show.

OK, so it was a long, slow spiral... To hear many talk, as recently as these past few days, ROR was not a good album, TBF sucks, and it progressively got worse with the attempts made during SA's tenure. I believe I've heard many times that Journey was even giving away CDs at their concerts in order to get people to listen to them. I wasn't a fan of the SA/Journey lineup, so I can't speak on it with anything other than what I've read and you guys have told me.

Journey is Journey, and because of the high standards they set for themselves, their bottom (culminating in TapeGate) is miles away from their top. I don't even compare them against other bands. It's simply not fair to the other bands.

[YoungJRNYfan]

You ask any fan about the Augeri era and they will be all like "huh?" But when it comes down to it, they won't be saying "Augeri Mimmed!" it will always be "Steve Perry was the heart and soul and god damn them for letting it happen."

Very true, YoungJRNYfan.

You are a fuckin Loon. So fucking sad.

You Perry worshippers disgust me.

Perryloon, Augeriwiggler, Sotoballsucker, who gives a shit. That gets old. The truth is simple. And in todays music world and with new generations, it will always be looked back on STEVE PERRY'S mark. I know its tough to take in for a diehard to think because we all want Journey to excel at a high level, and they will. But all in all, the 80's-90's are over. All we ask for them is to keep turning and keep the band alive for not only us but for them to say we are still here making good music no matter how much time has changed, and that's why they will be one of the top respected bands of all time.

[roycap]

Deano - you bash Perry lover's, yet basically suck up to any current member of Journey or associates (Andrew, etc.) You claim you have all this inside info that makes Augeri seem worse than what is already stated. Deano - nothing could make me change my mind that the band as a whole is too blame. No one forced Cain and Schon to go on stage or tour with him if he was not able to sing. I blame them more because this is their legacy they tarnished. Augeri had no legacy. Stop making excuses for them because they play an instrument. If I were Soto, I'd would have asked for the moon to tour and record with them. Otherwise, the band was done.

[Rockindeano]

Deano - you bash Perry lover's, yet basically suck up to any current member of Journey or associates (Andrew, etc.) You claim you have all this inside info that makes Augeri seem worse than what is already stated. Deano - nothing could make me change my mind that the band as a whole is too blame. No one forced Cain and Schon to go on stage or tour with him if he was not able to sing. I blame them more because this is their legacy they tarnished. Augeri had no legacy. Stop making excuses for them because they play an instrument. If I were Soto, I'd would have asked for the moon to tour and record with them. Otherwise, the band was done.

Dude, I am on record as saying Perry is the best ever, period. ok, done with that.

However, I am sick of these Loons, and you all know who you are, bash Neal because Precious Steve is no longer in the band. You need to bash Neal to somehow validate Perry. Neal rules ass, period.

HOTS, PROPERRY, Sherrie, Matthew, and a bunch of other fucked up people do this and don't tell me they don't. I get into Perry only sites. I know what's up.

As for me knowing shit others don't? it is what it is.

[YoungJRNYfan]

Deano - you bash Perry lover's, yet basically suck up to any current member of Journey or associates (Andrew, etc.) You claim you have all this inside info that makes Augeri seem worse than what is already stated. Deano - nothing could make me change my mind that the band as a whole is too blame. No one forced Cain and Schon to go on stage or tour with him if he was not able to sing. I blame them more because this is their legacy they tarnished. Augeri had no legacy. Stop making excuses for them because they play an instrument. If I were Soto, I'd would have asked for the moon to tour and record with them. Otherwise, the band was done.

And shit is about to hit the fan

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[Rick]

Deano - you bash Perry lover's, yet basically suck up to any current member of Journey or associates (Andrew, etc.) You claim you have all this inside info that makes Augeri seem worse than what is already stated. Deano - nothing could make me change my mind that the band as a whole is too blame. No one forced Cain and Schon to go on stage or tour with him if he was not able to sing. I blame them more because this is their legacy they tarnished. Augeri had no legacy. Stop making excuses for them because they play an instrument. If I were Soto, I'd would have asked for the moon to tour and record with them. Otherwise, the band was done.

The band was damn near done because of Augeri. He damn near took down the ship. I'll bash the fucker if I want to. I'll give him his props, however small they might be, he recorded two songs that I like. Outside of that, he was nothing but a mistake.

[roycap]

Why do you keep bringing up Perry? I never even mentioned him. How about slamming Cain and Schon for once? What afraid you won't have the inside connections?

[Matthew]

You ask any fan about the Augeri era and they will be all like "huh?" But when it comes down to it, they won't be saying "Augeri Mimmed!" it will always be "Steve Perry was the heart and soul and god damn them for letting it happen."

Very true, YoungJRNYfan.

You are a fuckin Loon. So fucking sad.

You Perry worshippers disgust me.

Deano - I have no idea what you really believe. Your opinons seem to be entirely shaped by some schoolgirlish wish to be 'close to the band'. Say what you like about me and my Loon brethren but one thing is for sure...we're consistent. We don't flip flop around like some seal performing tricks at a zoo.

[ohsherrie]

Why do you keep bringing up Perry? I never even mentioned him. How about slamming Cain and Schon for once? What afraid you won't have the inside connections?

Maybe because Fraugeri wouldn't even have had a career in music if Perry hadn't given him something to try and imitate. Then he couldn't even do that without faking it.

[Saint John]

Deano - you bash Perry lover's, yet basically suck up to any current member of Journey or associates (Andrew, etc.) You claim you have all this inside info that makes Augeri seem worse than what is already stated. Deano - nothing could make me change my mind that the band as a whole is too blame. No one forced Cain and Schon to go on stage or tour with him if he was not able to sing. I blame them more because this is their legacy they tarnished. Augeri had no legacy. Stop making excuses for them because they play an instrument. If I were Soto, I'd would have asked for the moon to tour and record with them. Otherwise, the band was done.

Dear hubcap, Journey's legacy was in the hands of Steve Augeri when he assumed the role as frontman. Did he have seniority? Of course not, but the one under the microscope was HIM, not Schon or Friga. When he thanked Steve Perry in the liner notes from Arrival, he had an obligation to do HIS job right. Something he failed to do. He pissed in the face of a lot of fans and won't soon be forgiven. 80% of the band did their part flawlessly. Augeri didn't and the fact that he has been hiding like a wesael-dicked pussy proves that he's afraid to show his greasy faced, permed head in public. My best guess is that he's an operator for a gay hotline. See if you recognize his voice the next time you call. Now get the fuck out of here you rectum raider.

[Rick]

Why do you keep bringing up Perry? I never even mentioned him. How about slamming Cain and Schon for once? What afraid you won't have the inside connections?

Maybe because Fraugeri wouldn't even have had a career in music if Perry hadn't given him something to try and imitate. Then he couldn't even do that without faking it.

A fake imitation. Kinda like genuine imitation leather. He's like fake Naugahyde! LMAO!!

[ohsherrie]

Why do you keep bringing up Perry? I never even mentioned him. How about slamming Cain and Schon for once? What afraid you won't have the inside connections?

Maybe because Fraugeri wouldn't even have had a career in music if Perry hadn't given him something to try and imitate. Then he couldn't even do that without faking it.

A fake imitation. Kinda like genuine imitation leather. He's like fake Naugahyde! LMAO!!

Yeah, and didn't even have enough decency to admit he was just pleather.

[Saint John]

Why do you keep bringing up Perry? I never even mentioned him. How about slamming Cain and Schon for once? What afraid you won't have the inside connections?

Maybe because Fraugeri wouldn't even have had a career in music if Perry hadn't given him something to try and imitate. Then he couldn't even do that without faking it.

A fake imitation. Kinda like genuine imitation leather. He's like fake Naugahyde! LMAO!!

Dude, Augeri is to singing what Richard Simmons is to masculinity. Augeri is about as trustworthy as a priest at summer camp.

[YoungJRNYfan]

Deano - you bash Perry lover's, yet basically suck up to any current member of Journey or associates (Andrew, etc.) You claim you have all this inside info that makes Augeri seem worse than what is already stated. Deano - nothing could make me change my mind that the band as a whole is too blame. No one forced Cain and Schon to go on stage or tour with him if he was not able to sing. I blame them more because this is their legacy they tarnished. Augeri had no legacy. Stop making excuses for them because they play an instrument. If I were Soto, I'd would have asked for the moon to tour and record with them. Otherwise, the band was done.

The band was damn near done because of Augeri. He damn near took down the ship. I'll bash the fucker if I want to. I'll give him his props, however small they might be, he recorded two songs that I like. Outside of that, he was nothing but a mistake.

But you must remember. The band WAS done. Until they hired SA. I thought Augeri was a good fit the first 4 years or so. It is what it is, and his voice just couldn't hold. Everyone says Perry was burned out from tourning. Uhh, didn't SA tour for 7 or so years straight? Maybe if they would have taken their "break" they all said for years then maybe he would of left with an intact voicebox and wouldn't have been forced to tour with no voice. The tapegate saga is this. Either way, they would have recieved heat. Whether it was Augeri REALLY singing, and really fucking up his voice, or then using tapes to get the paycheck and to keep the era going with the fans that they came to love. The only right thing to do was to take a year or so break when they needed it, maybe two. Or SA could have stepped down. Management couldn't allow that. The contract stood. But then what if SA would have left years ago. Do they get Soto? There wouldn't be any panic, so maybe they would of have called it quits.

Journey had no direction when Tapegate happend. They HAD to do it. They just had to. It was either use tapes and keep the fans to come out, or hang em up. It was a security blanket until further question.

[Matthew]

Deano - you bash Perry lover's, yet basically suck up to any current member of Journey or associates (Andrew, etc.) You claim you have all this inside info that makes Augeri seem worse than what is already stated. Deano - nothing could make me change my mind that the band as a whole is too blame. No one forced Cain and Schon to go on stage or tour with him if he was not able to sing. I blame them more because this is their legacy they tarnished. Augeri had no legacy. Stop making excuses for them because they play an instrument. If I were Soto, I'd would have asked for the moon to tour and record with them. Otherwise, the band was done.

Dude, I am on record as saying Perry is the best ever, period. ok, done with that.

However, I am sick of these Loons, and you all know who you are, bash Neal because Precious Steve is no longer in the band. You need to bash Neal to somehow validate Perry. Neal rules ass, period.

HOTS, PROPERRY, Sherrie, Matthew, and a bunch of other fucked up people do this and don't tell me they don't. I get into Perry only sites. I know what's up.

As for me knowing shit others don't? it is what it is.

I don't know about Properry - but me, Sherrie and Hots have been pretty open-minded about JSS. As for Neal...well, he might rule your ass but to the rest of us his flaws as a leader of this band are all too obvious. He's a genius guitarist - one of the best ever - but come on....he's made some dodgy decisions over the past decade. This isn't to "validate" Perry because Perry doesn't need validating. It's just a fact - as you well know, deep down.

[roycap]

Saint John : Are you kidding - it was up to Augeri to keep the legacy alive? Yeah - OK! No responsibilty for Cain and Schon. It was only their band at the time. Get off the worship bandwagon and wake up.

[Saint John]

Deano - you bash Perry lover's, yet basically suck up to any current member of Journey or associates (Andrew, etc.) You claim you have all this inside info that makes Augeri seem worse than what is already stated. Deano - nothing could make me change my mind that the band as a whole is too blame. No one forced Cain and Schon to go on stage or tour with him if he was not able to sing. I blame them more because this is their legacy they tarnished. Augeri had no legacy. Stop making excuses for them because they play an instrument. If I were Soto, I'd would have asked for the moon to tour and record with them. Otherwise, the band was done.

The band was damn near done because of Augeri. He damn near took down the ship. I'll bash the fucker if I want to. I'll give him his props, however small they might be, he recorded two songs that I like. Outside of that, he was nothing but a mistake.

But you must remember. The band WAS done. Until they hired SA. I thought Augeri was a good fit the first 4 years or so. It is what it is, and his voice just couldn't hold. Everyone says Perry was burned out from tourning. Uhh, didn't SA tour for 7 or so years straight? Maybe if they would have taken their "break" they all said for years then maybe he would of left with an intact voicebox and wouldn't have been forced to tour with no voice. The tapegate saga is this. Either way, they would have recieved heat. Whether it was Augeri REALLY singing, and really fucking up his voice, or then using tapes to get the paycheck and to keep the era going with the fans that they came to love. The only right thing to do was to take a year or so break when they needed it, maybe two. Or SA could have stepped down. Management couldn't allow that. The contract stood. But then what if SA would have left years ago. Do they get Soto? There wouldn't be any panic, so maybe they would of have called it quits.

Journey had no direction when Tapegate happend. They HAD to do it. They just had to. It was either use tapes and keep the fans to come out, or hang em up. It was a security blanket until further question.

There's no difference from pre-Augeri to post-Augeri. They moved a few albums and made some cash, but they didn't change their status in the music world one bit. If anything, they wound up a couple of rungs below where they started. Quit making excuses and trying to come up with anything to nullify what he did. It's nauseating, as are your posts. Go play in traffic, junior.

[Matthew]

Saint John : Are you kidding - it was up to Augeri to keep the legacy alive? Yeah - OK! No responsibilty for Cain and Schon. It was only their band at the time. Get off the worship bandwagon and wake up.

Exactly. I'm no Augeri fan but all this whitewashing of Cain and Schon's role in fucking up the band is getting ridiculous.

[Rick]

Deano - you bash Perry lover's, yet basically suck up to any current member of Journey or associates (Andrew, etc.) You claim you have all this inside info that makes Augeri seem worse than what is already stated. Deano - nothing could make me change my mind that the band as a whole is too blame. No one forced Cain and Schon to go on stage or tour with him if he was not able to sing. I blame them more because this is their legacy they tarnished. Augeri had no legacy. Stop making excuses for them because they play an instrument. If I were Soto, I'd would have asked for the moon to tour and record with them. Otherwise, the band was done.

The band was damn near done because of Augeri. He damn near took down the ship. I'll bash the fucker if I want to. I'll give him his props, however small they might be, he recorded two songs that I like. Outside of that, he was nothing but a mistake.

But you must remember. The band WAS done. Until they hired SA. I thought Augeri was a good fit the first 4 years or so. It is what it is, and his voice just couldn't hold. Everyone says Perry was burned out from tourning. Uhh, didn't SA tour for 7 or so years straight? Maybe if they would have taken their "break" they all said for years then maybe he would of left with an intact voicebox and wouldn't have been forced to tour with no voice. The tapegate saga is this. Either way, they would have recieved heat. Whether it was Augeri REALLY singing, and really fucking up his voice, or then using tapes to get the paycheck and to keep the era going with the fans that they came to love. The only right thing to do was to take a year or so break when they needed it, maybe two. Or SA could have stepped down. Management couldn't allow that. The contract stood. But then what if SA would have left years ago. Do they get Soto? There wouldn't be any panic, so maybe they would of have called it quits.

Journey had no direction when Tapegate happend. They HAD to do it. They just had to. It was either use tapes and keep the fans to come out, or hang em up. It was a security blanket until further question.

I agree to a certain extent. I think they hired Augeri because at least some of the members of the band were needing to get paid and couldn't wait for Perry any longer. I don't think it's what they wanted to do, I think it's what had to be done. Same thing during the TBF time frame. They had Kevin C. ready to go. The guys need money to survive just like anyone else. I think Perry saved his bank better and didn't need the money like the others did/do.
I agree more so with you on the tapegate thing. I think their hands were being held to the fire. I think Azoff had a lot to do with that.