OT: In The Long Run

[Rockindeano]

Wait a miniute...allow me to stop laughing for a second.....You are saying we "won" the original offensve/war...when Dumbya came back and said "Mission Accomplished" he was correct?

Please, you cannot be serious? You really think the electorate is THAT dumb? Well, the South is...that's why the GOP carries the South every 4 years.....What a shame..

[RedWingFan]

Wait a miniute...allow me to stop laughing for a second.....You are saying we "won" the original offensve/war...when Dumbya came back and said "Mission Accomplished" he was correct?

Well getting rid of the uncompliant Hussein was the initial mission wasn't it Dean???? And it didn't even take 10,000 bodybags did it? The mission was accomplished. Maybe they didn't anticipate the terrorists coming in and fighting against a free, strong Iraq. But yes it was. Are you saying we failed at ousting Hussein's regime? Spiderhole, bloated Uday and Qusay, a hanging cameraphone. Any of this ringing a bell dude?

[Rockindeano]

NO. getting rid of Saddam was a Bad idea. He kept that place n order, far better than we have.

Saddam was NEVER a threat.

You repubs are so fucked up.

[RedWingFan]

NO. getting rid of Saddam was a Bad idea. He kept that place n order, far better than we have.

Saddam was NEVER a threat.

You repubs are so fucked up.

I didn't ask you if it was a good or bad idea now did I. Read it and try again. You know I'm right

[Crazie Scarab]

NO. getting rid of Saddam was a Bad idea. He kept that place n order, far better than we have.

Saddam was NEVER a threat.

You repubs are so fucked up.

Yeah, so fucked up..

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002

"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
- President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
- President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

"We must stop Saddam from ever again jeopardizing the stability and security of his neighbors with weapons of mass destruction."
- Madeline Albright, Feb 1, 1998

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
- Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
Letter to President Clinton.
- (D) Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, others, Oct. 9, 1998

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
- Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998

"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and th! e means of delivering them."
- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
- Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002

[ohsherrie]

Wait a miniute...allow me to stop laughing for a second.....You are saying we "won" the original offensve/war...when Dumbya came back and said "Mission Accomplished" he was correct?

Well getting rid of the uncompliant Hussein was the initial mission wasn't it Dean???? And it didn't even take 10,000 bodybags did it? The mission was accomplished. Maybe they didn't anticipate the terrorists coming in and fighting against a free, strong Iraq. But yes it was. Are you saying we failed at ousting Hussein's regime? Spiderhole, bloated Uday and Qusay, a hanging cameraphone. Any of this ringing a bell dude?

So RWF, you're saying that Bush did indeed lie about his reasons for going into Iraq? You're saying he didn't go because intelligence showed that they had weapons of mass destruction and were supporting the terrorists that perpetrated 9/11? You're saying he actually did go there for no other reason than to get rid of Hussein for personal, political, and profitable reasons?

So in other words, he accomplished his mission, it just wasn't the mission he said he went to accomplish. OK gotcha.



You're right Frank. I was wrong to say it has become a civil war. The civil war in the middle east has been going on since the inception of the Muslim religion. Dean is also right, Hussein had it under control. Since no one there is in control now, Bush's clusterfuck has facilitated the deterioration of the situation so that our kids are dying to try and enforce peace between the rival factions in that country rather than to protect our country from terrorism.

[chf34jmac]

It is absolutely hysterical to watch both sides of this argument just blindly spew their party line rhetoric over and over and over without either side actually putting forth any new or useful information.

That's why I am an independent. I am my own thinker and look at both parties and am absolutely fuckin disgusted with them both. Maybe if more people got disgusted with BOTH parties things would start to change for the better finally. (and by that I mean pissed off at both of them at the same time, not just I hate democrats or fuckin republicans singled out individually)

[ohsherrie]

Chief, you'll get no arguement from me that the two party system is the most deep seated problem this country has. The immediate problem is this war and we're going to have to find a way to end it within the system we've got. Maybe it will end up being the catalyst that eventually gets the system itself fixed.

[chickpea]

It is absolutely hysterical to watch both sides of this argument just blindly spew their party line rhetoric over and over and over without either side actually putting forth any new or useful information.

That's why I usually stay out of these type of discussions. It's not like either side is suddenly going to change their way of thinking.

But it does make for some interesting reading sometimes.

[Saint John]

Wait a miniute...allow me to stop laughing for a second.....You are saying we "won" the original offensve/war...when Dumbya came back and said "Mission Accomplished" he was correct?

Well getting rid of the uncompliant Hussein was the initial mission wasn't it Dean???? And it didn't even take 10,000 bodybags did it? The mission was accomplished. Maybe they didn't anticipate the terrorists coming in and fighting against a free, strong Iraq. But yes it was. Are you saying we failed at ousting Hussein's regime? Spiderhole, bloated Uday and Qusay, a hanging cameraphone. Any of this ringing a bell dude?

So RWF, you're saying that Bush did indeed lie about his reasons for going into Iraq? You're saying he didn't go because intelligence showed that they had weapons of mass destruction and were supporting the terrorists that perpetrated 9/11? You're saying he actually did go there for no other reason than to get rid of Hussein for personal, political, and profitable reasons?

So in other words, he accomplished his mission, it just wasn't the mission he said he went to accomplish. OK gotcha.



You're right Frank. I was wrong to say it has become a civil war. The civil war in the middle east has been going on since the inception of the Muslim religion. Dean is also right, Hussein had it under control. Since no one there is in control now, Bush's clusterfuck has facilitated the deterioration of the situation so that our kids are dying to try and enforce peace between the rival factions in that country rather than to protect our country from terrorism.

"Under control?" Villages being murdered, children starving and women being raped is hardly what I would call "under control." I wonder if you were one of those women being raped if you would think things were "under control." Quit making yourself look so fucking stupid. You too, Dean.





In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

[RedWingFan]

Wait a miniute...allow me to stop laughing for a second.....You are saying we "won" the original offensve/war...when Dumbya came back and said "Mission Accomplished" he was correct?

Well getting rid of the uncompliant Hussein was the initial mission wasn't it Dean???? And it didn't even take 10,000 bodybags did it? The mission was accomplished. Maybe they didn't anticipate the terrorists coming in and fighting against a free, strong Iraq. But yes it was. Are you saying we failed at ousting Hussein's regime? Spiderhole, bloated Uday and Qusay, a hanging cameraphone. Any of this ringing a bell dude?

So RWF, you're saying that Bush did indeed lie about his reasons for going into Iraq? You're saying he didn't go because intelligence showed that they had weapons of mass destruction and were supporting the terrorists that perpetrated 9/11? You're saying he actually did go there for no other reason than to get rid of Hussein for personal, political, and profitable reasons?

So in other words, he accomplished his mission, it just wasn't the mission he said he went to accomplish. OK gotcha.



You're right Frank. I was wrong to say it has become a civil war. The civil war in the middle east has been going on since the inception of the Muslim religion. Dean is also right, Hussein had it under control. Since no one there is in control now, Bush's clusterfuck has facilitated the deterioration of the situation so that our kids are dying to try and enforce peace between the rival factions in that country rather than to protect our country from terrorism.

"Under control?" Villages being murdered, children starving and women being raped is hardly what I would call "under control." I wonder if you were one of those women being raped if you would think things were "under control." Quit making yourself look so fucking stupid. You too, Dean.





In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

Thanks st.john! So you see "ohsherrie" if Bush is a liar so are both Clinton's, Levin, Kerry and the rest of them. That's why I'm a conservative and don't want these bunch of liars in charge of my health care, day care...etc... What's your reasoning for being a liberal and wanting to hand over conrol of your life to these liars????

[Rockindeano]

What's your reasoning for being a liberal and wanting to hand over conrol of your life to these liars????

Because they are good liars and smart liars.

Bush is fucking retarded. It doesn't really matter what we argue about, a Democrat will be in the White House in 08. Deal with it.

[RedWingFan]

What's your reasoning for being a liberal and wanting to hand over conrol of your life to these liars????

Because they are good liars and smart liars.

spoken like a true Californian!!!!

[Rockindeano]

What's your reasoning for being a liberal and wanting to hand over conrol of your life to these liars????

Because they are good liars and smart liars.

spoken like a true Californian!!!!

Dude, stop trying to derail my train of thought. I am starting to think about the game in Vancouver tonight. NOTHING else matters.

[RedWingFan]

What's your reasoning for being a liberal and wanting to hand over conrol of your life to these liars????

Because they are good liars and smart liars.

spoken like a true Californian!!!!

Dude, stop trying to derail my train of thought. I am starting to think about the game in Vancouver tonight. NOTHING else matters.

Just be glad Gray Davis is no longer in office or you'd have to watch in between the rolling blackouts!
See you in the hockey thread dude!

[CatEyes]

What's your reasoning for being a liberal and wanting to hand over conrol of your life to these liars????

RWF being liberall does not equal being stupid. I am a liberal and will never hand over my life to anyone. My call.

Because they are good liars and smart liars.

Slight disagreement here. They are not all liars. Some of them actually believe what they say. I don't - however, they actually think they have a handle on truth and right.

Bush is fucking retarded. It doesn't really matter what we argue about, a Democrat will be in the White House in 08. Deal with it.

A- FRIGGING - MEN!!!!!

[sindee67]

I usually don't discuss politics, but, I have a few friends in Iraq.
They are there on their 2nd and 3rd tours by choice.
They have opened schools, where little girls will now get an education, where the couldn't before.
Our school systems are freaking out over toy guns brought to school, the boys that went to school during Hussein's rule,
sat on MORTOR{spelling} SHELLS. Their school books don't date 1970 now, they are up to date standard school books.
Their hospitals are updated, and sterile.
Women can vote, and the people can listen to music, of their choice.
So, whether or not DING DONG, was a threat or not, the fact that women and girls can go to school, means so much!

[ohsherrie]

Thanks st.john! So you see "ohsherrie" if Bush is a liar so are both Clinton's, Levin, Kerry and the rest of them. That's why I'm a conservative and don't want these bunch of liars in charge of my health care, day care...etc... What's your reasoning for being a liberal and wanting to hand over conrol of your life to these liars????

What ever made you think I was a liberal? I'm most assuredly not. I think Davepc and Strangegrey can attest to that.

I just don't like the current Republican party line and agenda. I was a Republican many years ago. I even defended Nixon because I thought he was a damned good President. Then I became an Independent, but that only meant that I still had to decide between Rep and Dem at the polls because no Indy is going to win as long as all the money in the country is buying one of the big two.

I became a Democrat when Bush and his backers bought the presidency. I'll back the Democratic Party until I see something that suits me better. It's not that I agree with everything that the Dems represent. It's just that, at this time, I agree more with them than with the Reps and the Indies don't have a chance in hell until some big money gets behind them. The money runs the country and since the big corps are sending the biggest share of their backing to the Reps, the Reps can get away with murder.

[RedWingFan]

What's your reasoning for being a liberal and wanting to hand over conrol of your life to these liars????

RWF being liberall does not equal being stupid. I am a liberal and will never hand over my life to anyone. My call.

Okay, continue to vote for the guys and gals that increases your taxes, because they know how to spend it better than you

[RedWingFan]

What ever made you think I was a liberal?

I became a Democrat when Bush and his backers bought the presidency.

Rediculous statements like this that are in your political posts for starters

The money runs the country and since the big corps are sending the biggest share of their backing to the Reps, the Reps can get away with murder.

That's a myth that liberals and democrats perpetuate. Here's some info from 2002 that blows it away. Whether you choose to believe it (feel free to research it yourself) or not, is up to you. You may have more fun with your head in the sand about some things. I don't care either way

Another myth about "the rich" has been shattered – namely the conventional wisdom that they are all Republicans – thanks to the nonpartisan Center for Responsive Politics. A December 18, 2002 Washington Times editorial reports that donors giving "small and medium amounts" in 2002 overwhelmingly supported the GOP, while "rich or deep-pocketed givers" hugely backed the Democrats!


Those giving $200 to $999: GOP $68 million; Democrats $44 million. Those giving $1,000 to $9,999: GOP $317 million; Democrats $307 million. The "fabulously wealthy" donors of $10,000+ gave $111 million to the GOP – a whopping $29 million less than the $140 million they lavished on the Democrats! Among those who gave $100,000+, the Democrats raised $72 million – more than double the $34 million the GOP took.

The fact is that in the 2002 election cycle, those who gave a million dollars or more poured $36 million into the Democrat coffers, and a paltry $3 million into the pockets of the GOP. Again: millionaire donations went Democrat by a 12:1 margin! The two parties took in about the same amount overall – GOP: $384 million; Democrats: $350 million. Just look at the Hollywood left, and you see where the big money goes.

In addition, the GOP attracted 40% more individual donors! (George W. Bush set an all-time fund-raising record by collecting the most money from one-thousand-dollar donors in the history of presidential politics.) Far more people giving small amounts exist as contributors to the Republican Party - while Democrats skunked the GOP among the super-rich. That's no surprise, since nine of the twelve richest members of the United States Senate are Democrats.

Also, the top 50% of wage earners, those who make more than $26,000 a year, pay over 96% of all income taxes. (The IRS data) This myth that the Republicans are the party of the rich is bogus, these figures help put the myth out of its misery for good. [/b]

[ohsherrie]

RWF, feel free to go on believing what you do and I'll do the same. I just don't want to argue about it any more when it's going nowhere.

[RedWingFan]

RWF, feel free to go on believing what you do and I'll do the same. I just don't want to argue about it any more when it's going nowhere.

Those #'s don't mean anything to you? Rather believe the stereotype? Go ahead!

[sindee67]

What I don't understand, is where does it say, you have to have a million dollars to run for president?
It's not written anywhere is it?
I thought all you had to be was over 35, an American-born citizen, that's it...
What happened to Congressional Party, and the other parites?
We don't hear about them, is it because they don't have the money that the Republicans or Democrats do?

[X factor]

Wait a miniute...allow me to stop laughing for a second.....You are saying we "won" the original offensve/war...when Dumbya came back and said "Mission Accomplished" he was correct?

Please, you cannot be serious? You really think the electorate is THAT dumb? Well, the South is...that's why the GOP carries the South every 4 years.....What a shame..

Deano, you had me till you started your SOUTH bashing again! Don't believe the bullshit media hype: there are PLENTY of us down here below the Mason Dixon line that don't vote red.

THis is the statement that, to me, sums up the real problem;
"Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11."
That's it- case closed, the defense rests.
YES, I support the troops- I support their right to come home alive and one piece and not to die in some needless excusion that doens't have THING ONE to do with "our freedom" (as so many proponents of this farce like to say). And here's a shocker- I blame the Dems JUST AS MUCH as the Cons because they bowed to public pressure and caved in when this whole mess started. Had they had any integrity and stuck to their guns, perhaps we wouldn't be mired down in this mess now.
But overall, what really bugs me about this- the REAL damage- is that somehow now it's considered almost treasonous to speak out against this administration and the war. Look at the rancor and bile some of you guys are spewing at each other- honestly, what's up with that? When did we lose the ability to have an open, honest and CIVILIZED discourse on issues without resorting to bashing one another's belief systems?
Remember in Desert Storm when all the "Support Our Troops" stickers started coming out? NOW they're emblazoned with "Support PRESIDENT BUSH and our troops" , as if the two are somehow mutually linked. What a complete load of horseshit...and might I add "UN-AMERICAN" horse shit! I DO support the brave men and women who take up arms in times of crisis, and I always will. (My Dad was a Korean war veteran, and many of my family and friends have served in both war and peace time.) But I'll be damned if I have to support the man that put them in harm's way.

[RedWingFan]

What I don't understand, is where does it say, you have to have a million dollars to run for president?
It's not written anywhere is it?
I thought all you had to be was over 35, an American-born citizen, that's it...
What happened to Congressional Party, and the other parites?
We don't hear about them, is it because they don't have the money that the Republicans or Democrats do?

I hear what your saying and those are the qualifications. But unless you are able to raise some major coin, you don't have a prayer. My point with the post was that Democrats do get the majority of the donations from the wealthy!!!! Republicans get more from the small time "hayseed hick flyover red states"

[ohsherrie]

RWF, feel free to go on believing what you do and I'll do the same. I just don't want to argue about it any more when it's going nowhere.

Those #'s don't mean anything to you? Rather believe the stereotype? Go ahead!

Honestly, I didn't even read the numbers because the numbers that are published and available to the public don't mean any more than the intelligence reports that were sent to the Congress to support the war in Iraq. It's all "Wag The Dog".

[RedWingFan]

RWF, feel free to go on believing what you do and I'll do the same. I just don't want to argue about it any more when it's going nowhere.

Those #'s don't mean anything to you? Rather believe the stereotype? Go ahead!

Honestly, I didn't even read the numbers because the numbers that are published and available to the public don't mean any more than the intelligence reports that were sent to the Congress to support the war in Iraq. It's all "Wag The Dog".

And your not a liberal you're an independent! When you see satallite photos of a round Earth, do you believe it. It could be a big hoax you know I mean you haven't been up there to see it for youself funny!

[ohsherrie]

And your not a liberal you're an independent! When you see satallite photos of a round Earth, do you believe it. It could be a big hoax you know I mean you haven't been up there to see it for youself funny!

Well laugh your ass off RWF but I'm not the one gullible enough to believe the war in Iraq was justified because they were supporting the terrorists that caused 9/11. That would be you.

If you don't believe that was the reason for the war then you admit Dumbya lied. Which is it?

Don't bother to answer. Anyone gullible, stupid or self serving enough to continue to support Bush isn't intelligent enough for me to debate with.

[RedWingFan]

And your not a liberal you're an independent! When you see satallite photos of a round Earth, do you believe it. It could be a big hoax you know I mean you haven't been up there to see it for youself funny!

Well laugh your ass off RWF but I'm not the one gullible enough to believe the war in Iraq was justified because they were supporting the terrorists that caused 9/11. That would be you.

If you don't believe that was the reason for the war then you admit Dumbya lied. Which is it?

Don't bother to answer. Anyone gullible, stupid or self serving enough to continue to support Bush isn't intelligent enough for me to debate with.

Okay, I won't argue with you. I'll just re-post the quotes Crazie Scarab posted about liars for you to either ignore or fail to absorb through your hatred

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002

"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
- President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
- President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

"We must stop Saddam from ever again jeopardizing the stability and security of his neighbors with weapons of mass destruction."
- Madeline Albright, Feb 1, 1998

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
- Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
Letter to President Clinton.
- (D) Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, others, Oct. 9, 1998

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
- Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998

"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and th! e means of delivering them."
- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
- Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002

[nutz4Neal]

I think getting rid of Hussein was a good thing, but going into that hornet nest was a big mistake..Bush Sr knew better during the gulf war. He should have advised his son to do the same.

The problem for the world is that these people do not give a shit about states, country or nationalism. Al they care about is their tribes, ethnicy etc..They don't want democracy.

We can thank the Britts for making a mess of this region before, during and after WW1. Winston Churchill may be regarded as one of the greatest military leaders of all time, but he royally fucked up that part of the world.

WHAT?! A voice of reason from fucking CA? WTG Tom!

Good thread Brian!

And to whoever it was who said Bush Jr. was a joke..FUCK YOU! Do you want the US to have another terrioist attach? He's the lone sole who's kept that from happening.