OT: ohsherrie

[Rockindeano]

We could go live in Idaho and jack each other off for entertainment. What do you say?

Dude I'm not into that "Brokeback" stuff

Me neither, but hey, Idaho has snow, potatoes and low taxes, but nothing else. Shithole.

Hey there are probably people here that are from Idaho. I'm keeping track of the companies fleeing Michigan and thinking of hitching a ride. Comerica fled to Dallas. Nothing's gone to Idaho yet! I love potato soup and baked potatoes And everyone love french fries. You know you do too Dean

Dude, I love french fries, but lately, NO fried food for me. I am dropping lbs.

[(Crazy)Dulce Lady]

We could go live in Idaho and jack each other off for entertainment. What do you say?

Dude I'm not into that "Brokeback" stuff

Me neither, but hey, Idaho has snow, potatoes and low taxes, but nothing else. Shithole.

Hey there are probably people here that are from Idaho. I'm keeping track of the companies fleeing Michigan and thinking of hitching a ride. Comerica fled to Dallas. Nothing's gone to Idaho yet! I love potato soup and baked potatoes And everyone love french fries. You know you do too Dean

Dude, I love french fries, but lately, NO fried food for me. I am dropping lbs.

me too brother. that month on bedrest gave me 6 lbs.

pass the salad.

[ohsherrie]

The MAJOR problem right now in the schools is "No Child Left Behind". What it really means is no child really learns anything, they just memorize what they need to answer on the test. They have no idea how any of it applies to anything. It's all treated like trivia; just a fact that you know with no application to anything. I've been active in the elementary school that my grandson attends since his kindergarten year and I help him with his homework every night. He has what are called "fast fact" sheets that are exactly what they're called. They are facts that pertain to something much more than the fact of them, but they don't have to know what the fact pertains to. They just have to memorize the fact so they can pass the SOL and the school can be accredited.

Having a school librarian in charge of deciding what was needed in the education system was a bad idea.

[RedWingFan]

The MAJOR problem right now in the schools is "No Child Left Behind". What it really means is no child really learns anything, they just memorize what they need to answer on the test. They have no idea how any of it applies to anything. It's all treated like trivia; just a fact that you know with no application to anything. I've been active in the elementary school that my grandson attends since his kindergarten year and I help him with his homework every night. He has what are called "fast fact" sheets that are exactly what they're called. They are facts that pertain to something much more than the fact of them, but they don't have to know what the fact pertains to. They just have to memorize the fact so they can pass the SOL and the school can be accredited.

Having a school librarian in charge of deciding what was needed in the education system was a bad idea.

Oh so schools were just peachy before Bush wrecked them I'm sorry but your hatred makes you friggin' blind. "no child left behind" is just throwing more money at long broken system. Bush tried to get vouchers passed, but mainly democrats and some liberal republicans stood in the way.

[Rockindeano]

me too brother. that month on bedrest gave me 6 lbs.

toss my salad.

What? Debbie! I never thought I would hear this from you!

[Lula]

The MAJOR problem right now in the schools is "No Child Left Behind". What it really means is no child really learns anything, they just memorize what they need to answer on the test. They have no idea how any of it applies to anything. It's all treated like trivia; just a fact that you know with no application to anything. I've been active in the elementary school that my grandson attends since his kindergarten year and I help him with his homework every night. He has what are called "fast fact" sheets that are exactly what they're called. They are facts that pertain to something much more than the fact of them, but they don't have to know what the fact pertains to. They just have to memorize the fact so they can pass the SOL and the school can be accredited.

Having a school librarian in charge of deciding what was needed in the education system was a bad idea.

Here, Here!!

No Child Left Behind is up for revision and I hope to see some changes. I'm all for accountabilty, but I'm much more an advocate for children learning and comprehending concepts rather than memorizing various facts that are forgotten as soon as the next batch comes around. I refuse to teach to a test. I have only begun my fight for kids and education, watch out .

[Rockindeano]

The MAJOR problem right now in the schools is "No Child Left Behind". What it really means is no child really learns anything, they just memorize what they need to answer on the test. They have no idea how any of it applies to anything. It's all treated like trivia; just a fact that you know with no application to anything. I've been active in the elementary school that my grandson attends since his kindergarten year and I help him with his homework every night. He has what are called "fast fact" sheets that are exactly what they're called. They are facts that pertain to something much more than the fact of them, but they don't have to know what the fact pertains to. They just have to memorize the fact so they can pass the SOL and the school can be accredited.

Having a school librarian in charge of deciding what was needed in the education system was a bad idea.

Oh so schools were just peachy before Bush wrecked them I'm sorry but your hatred makes you friggin' blind. "no child left behind" is just throwing more money at long broken system. Bush tried to get vouchers passed, but mainly democrats and some liberal republicans stood in the way.

School vouchers are bullshit. It is pandering again, to the rich and elite.

I went to private school, and I must say, it was a huge advantage over the public school system. I knew stuff in 2nd grade that when I was kicked out and had to go to a public school in 6th grade, they were 4 years behind private schools. Example: I knew all the state capitols in 2nd grade (Private), and when I went to public 6th grade, they were just learning them.

[Ms_M]

The MAJOR problem right now in the schools is "No Child Left Behind". What it really means is no child really learns anything, they just memorize what they need to answer on the test. They have no idea how any of it applies to anything. It's all treated like trivia; just a fact that you know with no application to anything. I've been active in the elementary school that my grandson attends since his kindergarten year and I help him with his homework every night. He has what are called "fast fact" sheets that are exactly what they're called. They are facts that pertain to something much more than the fact of them, but they don't have to know what the fact pertains to. They just have to memorize the fact so they can pass the SOL and the school can be accredited.

Having a school librarian in charge of deciding what was needed in the education system was a bad idea.

Here, Here!!

No Child Left Behind is up for revision and I hope to see some changes. I'm all for accountabilty, but I'm much more an advocate for children learning and comprehending concepts rather than memorizing various facts that are forgotten as soon as the next batch comes around. I refuse to teach to a test. I have only begun my fight for kids and education, watch out .

Here, here, too!!! As a teacher, I am SOOO over this testing crap. We literally have overlapping tests in the next 8 class days. Did I mention that in those 8 days are also a field trip and "sports day"? Not only are we over-tested, we're over-scheduled. Somebody wake me on May 25th about 2 p.m.

[Rockindeano]

I have only begun my fight for kids and education, watch out .

Don't worry. Our twins will be so fucking good in hockey they won't need schooling. I am drafting workouts and drill excercises now, so that they can make the NHL and buy me a fucking house when they're 18.

[RedWingFan]

The MAJOR problem right now in the schools is "No Child Left Behind". What it really means is no child really learns anything, they just memorize what they need to answer on the test. They have no idea how any of it applies to anything. It's all treated like trivia; just a fact that you know with no application to anything. I've been active in the elementary school that my grandson attends since his kindergarten year and I help him with his homework every night. He has what are called "fast fact" sheets that are exactly what they're called. They are facts that pertain to something much more than the fact of them, but they don't have to know what the fact pertains to. They just have to memorize the fact so they can pass the SOL and the school can be accredited.

Having a school librarian in charge of deciding what was needed in the education system was a bad idea.

Oh so schools were just peachy before Bush wrecked them I'm sorry but your hatred makes you friggin' blind. "no child left behind" is just throwing more money at long broken system. Bush tried to get vouchers passed, but mainly democrats and some liberal republicans stood in the way.

School vouchers are bullshit. It is pandering again, to the rich and elite.

I went to private school, and I must say, it was a huge advantage over the public school system. I knew stuff in 2nd grade that when I was kicked out and had to go to a public school in 6th grade, they were 4 years behind private schools. Example: I knew all the state capitols in 2nd grade (Private), and when I went to public 6th grade, they were just learning them.

Oh so you're saying you'd rather keep kids stupid and pander to teachers unions?

[Lula]

The MAJOR problem right now in the schools is "No Child Left Behind". What it really means is no child really learns anything, they just memorize what they need to answer on the test. They have no idea how any of it applies to anything. It's all treated like trivia; just a fact that you know with no application to anything. I've been active in the elementary school that my grandson attends since his kindergarten year and I help him with his homework every night. He has what are called "fast fact" sheets that are exactly what they're called. They are facts that pertain to something much more than the fact of them, but they don't have to know what the fact pertains to. They just have to memorize the fact so they can pass the SOL and the school can be accredited.

Having a school librarian in charge of deciding what was needed in the education system was a bad idea.

Oh so schools were just peachy before Bush wrecked them I'm sorry but your hatred makes you friggin' blind. "no child left behind" is just throwing more money at long broken system. Bush tried to get vouchers passed, but mainly democrats and some liberal republicans stood in the way.

The problem with vouchers is they don't serve the greater popultion. They serve the population that can already afford private schools and those that can almost afford it. The entire educational system needs an overhaul. Not one individual can be blamed for the state of things, but Bush has not advocated in the best interest of the children with his version on NCLB, he forgot a large population of children with special needs.... oops.

[Rockindeano]

The MAJOR problem right now in the schools is "No Child Left Behind". What it really means is no child really learns anything, they just memorize what they need to answer on the test. They have no idea how any of it applies to anything. It's all treated like trivia; just a fact that you know with no application to anything. I've been active in the elementary school that my grandson attends since his kindergarten year and I help him with his homework every night. He has what are called "fast fact" sheets that are exactly what they're called. They are facts that pertain to something much more than the fact of them, but they don't have to know what the fact pertains to. They just have to memorize the fact so they can pass the SOL and the school can be accredited.

Having a school librarian in charge of deciding what was needed in the education system was a bad idea.

Oh so schools were just peachy before Bush wrecked them I'm sorry but your hatred makes you friggin' blind. "no child left behind" is just throwing more money at long broken system. Bush tried to get vouchers passed, but mainly democrats and some liberal republicans stood in the way.

School vouchers are bullshit. It is pandering again, to the rich and elite.

I went to private school, and I must say, it was a huge advantage over the public school system. I knew stuff in 2nd grade that when I was kicked out and had to go to a public school in 6th grade, they were 4 years behind private schools. Example: I knew all the state capitols in 2nd grade (Private), and when I went to public 6th grade, they were just learning them.

Oh so you're saying you'd rather keep kids stupid and pander to teachers unions?

NO. Teachers unions are bullshit. Keep public schooling, just overhaul it. I want teachers who are competent and also passionate. I cannot tell you how many just go and sit in a chair and read the sports page. It's sickening.

Overhaul the whole fuckin thing.

[Ms_M]

I have only begun my fight for kids and education, watch out .

Don't worry. Our twins will be so fucking good in hockey they won't need schooling. I am drafting workouts and drill excercises now, so that they can make the NHL and buy me a fucking house when their 18.

Always good to have a retirement plan in place!

[RedWingFan]

The MAJOR problem right now in the schools is "No Child Left Behind". What it really means is no child really learns anything, they just memorize what they need to answer on the test. They have no idea how any of it applies to anything. It's all treated like trivia; just a fact that you know with no application to anything. I've been active in the elementary school that my grandson attends since his kindergarten year and I help him with his homework every night. He has what are called "fast fact" sheets that are exactly what they're called. They are facts that pertain to something much more than the fact of them, but they don't have to know what the fact pertains to. They just have to memorize the fact so they can pass the SOL and the school can be accredited.

Having a school librarian in charge of deciding what was needed in the education system was a bad idea.

Oh so schools were just peachy before Bush wrecked them I'm sorry but your hatred makes you friggin' blind. "no child left behind" is just throwing more money at long broken system. Bush tried to get vouchers passed, but mainly democrats and some liberal republicans stood in the way.

The problem with vouchers is they don't serve the greater popultion. They serve the population that can already afford private schools and those that can almost afford it. The entire educational system needs an overhaul. Not one individual can be blamed for the state of things, but Bush has not advocated in the best interest of the children with his version on NCLB, he forgot a large population of children with special needs.... oops.

If public schools are forced to compete with private school money, they will improve! If they want to stay open. This will help the kids who are stuck in the greater population..Competition is good!

[Lula]

Oh so you're saying you'd rather keep kids stupid and pander to teachers unions?

You need to let go of this idea that the unions are responsible for the state of our education system, it is so much bigger than that.

[Rockindeano]

If public schools are forced to compete with private school money, they will improve! If they want to stay open. Competition is good!

I agree.

However, I believe you need to start paying teachers a real salary, and they should work 12 months a year, like the rest of us. If you were to pay them accordingly, then you would attract better candidates and then, and only then, could public schools compete with Private schools.

Also, if we are going to pay teachers more money, I want more stringent tests done on our teachers, more accountability. Too many just punch the time clock and call it a day.

[RedWingFan]

Oh so you're saying you'd rather keep kids stupid and pander to teachers unions?

You need to let go of this idea that the unions are responsible for the state of our education system, it is so much bigger than that.

I'm saying teachers unions are #1 against competition. They don't want to compete. I'm not necessarily blaming teachers but the beuracracy! It's a bottomless pit

[Ms_M]

Oh so you're saying you'd rather keep kids stupid and pander to teachers unions?

You need to let go of this idea that the unions are responsible for the state of our education system, it is so much bigger than that.

[RedWingFan]

If public schools are forced to compete with private school money, they will improve! If they want to stay open. Competition is good!

I agree.

However, I believe you need to start paying teachers a real salary, and they should work 12 months a year, like the rest of us. If you were to pay them accordingly, then you would attract better candidates and then, and only then, could public schools compete with Private schools.

Also, if we are going to pay teachers more money, I want more stringent tests done on our teachers, more accountability. Too many just punch the time clock and call it a day.

Unions again, it's not easy to fire a teacher at least in this state. No offense Lula, but teachers are typically at the bottom of their graduating classes.

[Rockindeano]

RWF is correct. The Teachers Union is a lazy fatassed bureacracy filled with lazy fat assed people putting money into their own pockets.

Look at what Lula said earlier. The LA mayor wanted to shake things up, make a real change. The Union blocked it in every way.

Fuck unions.

[Rockindeano]

Wings, it does a special person to WANT TO TEACH......I wouldn't say they are all dumbshits.

Hell, under that theory, I guess certain "presidents of the United States" are at the bottom of their graduating class.

[RedWingFan]

Wings, it does a special person to WANT TO TEACH......I wouldn't say they are all dumbshits.

That's why I said "typically". What burns my ass though is when you pick you major or career in college. You have a estimated yearly salary with it. Ask any teacher, "why did you want to become a teacher?" The typical answer is, "well I love working with kids...etc" Then they strike cuz they don't make enough cash. Cash wasn't your motivation, but now it is? I understand it's human nature to take what you can get. But don't turn around and say I have to pay for it or go to jail!

[RedWingFan]

Wings, it does a special person to WANT TO TEACH......I wouldn't say they are all dumbshits.

Hell, under that theory, I guess certain "presidents of the United States" are at the bottom of their graduating class.

Certain "Presidents of the United States" finished higher in his class than certain "former Vice Presidents of the United States"

[Ms_M]

Unions can definintely be too bureaucratic. In my neck of the woods, so can the districts. I guess it's "fight fire with fire". On the other hand, when teachers have issues with the bureacracy or accusations of misdeeds (sometimes, those are NOT true!), the unions help good teachers out.

There are good ones (teachers) and bad ones - it's like all professions.

[Rockindeano]

Wings, it does a special person to WANT TO TEACH......I wouldn't say they are all dumbshits.

That's why I said "typically". What burns my ass though is when you pick you major or career in college. You have a estimated yearly salary with it. Ask any teacher, "why did you want to become a teacher?" The typical answer is, "well I love working with kids...etc" Then they strike cuz they don't make enough cash. Cash wasn't your motivation, but now it is? I understand it's human nature to take what you can get. But don't turn around and say I have to pay for it or go to jail!

I somewhat understand your point, but do you know teachers have to pay out of their own pockets for classroom supplies? THAT is ridiculous.
They get paid dogshit.

[Ms_M]

Wings, it does a special person to WANT TO TEACH......I wouldn't say they are all dumbshits.

That's why I said "typically". What burns my ass though is when you pick you major or career in college. You have a estimated yearly salary with it. Ask any teacher, "why did you want to become a teacher?" The typical answer is, "well I love working with kids...etc" Then they strike cuz they don't make enough cash. Cash wasn't your motivation, but now it is? I understand it's human nature to take what you can get. But don't turn around and say I have to pay for it or go to jail!

I somewhat understand your point, but do you know teachers have to pay out of their own pockets for classroom supplies? THAT is ridiculous.
They get paid dogshit.

[RedWingFan]

Wings, it does a special person to WANT TO TEACH......I wouldn't say they are all dumbshits.

That's why I said "typically". What burns my ass though is when you pick you major or career in college. You have a estimated yearly salary with it. Ask any teacher, "why did you want to become a teacher?" The typical answer is, "well I love working with kids...etc" Then they strike cuz they don't make enough cash. Cash wasn't your motivation, but now it is? I understand it's human nature to take what you can get. But don't turn around and say I have to pay for it or go to jail!

I somewhat understand your point, but do you know teachers have to pay out of their own pockets for classroom supplies? THAT is ridiculous.
They get paid dogshit.

That has nothing to do with their pay, the money is going to those higher in the beuracratic food chain and not to the classrooms

[Rockindeano]

Wings, it does a special person to WANT TO TEACH......I wouldn't say they are all dumbshits.

Hell, under that theory, I guess certain "presidents of the United States" are at the bottom of their graduating class.

Certain "Presidents of the United States" finished higher in his class than certain "former Vice Presidents of the United States"

Yeah and certain "presidents" miraculousy found about 35,000 votes in a certain southern state to become president, when it is obvious a certain "Vice President" had many more votes and is clearly more intelligent than the current "piece of shit president."

[Ms_M]

You are right, RWF, those higher on the food chain get paid a lot more. It is obscene.

[RedWingFan]

Wings, it does a special person to WANT TO TEACH......I wouldn't say they are all dumbshits.

Hell, under that theory, I guess certain "presidents of the United States" are at the bottom of their graduating class.

Certain "Presidents of the United States" finished higher in his class than certain "former Vice Presidents of the United States"

Yeah and certain "presidents" miraculousy found about 35,000 votes in a certain southern state to become president, when it is obvious a certain "Vice President" had many more votes and is clearly more intelligent than the current "piece of shit president."

I remember miraculously finding dimpled chads and the term "voters intent". Gore was trying to move the goalpost after the ball was kicked he lost and never led. Get over it. Anyone who can conjure up "carbon credit" scam for dipshits in the country to fall for is pretty brilliant